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tracy	Date: June 17, 2004 @ 6:21 PM i can't emphasize enough how important it was to talk one on one with people rather than online, as dmusic is really a word-of-mouth alternative to the record business- something your friend tells you about rather than something you see a commercial for, so the personal connections we were making with people emphasized the grassroots nature of dmusic------ whereas our sales weren't up to par, i think we'll definitely make up for it in our new fans, especially since most of the people there (out of 150,000) were either musicians or atleast friends of musicians. we also met a lot of people from magazines and distributors, so we're getting our name out there-- as far as not showcasing the anti-RIAA aspect of dmusic, we had to in order to comply with our contract. so we did not have a giant "anti-riaa" sign, but we did not hide our feelings toward the RIAA when people asked us what dmusic was about-- and let me just say, that very few people did not ask "hey man-- so what's dmusic anyway?" oh, and we gave burning spear some free t-shirts. any other questions about bonnaroo, let me know, --tracy" id="103693"> i can't emphasize enough how important it was to talk one on one with people rather than online, as dmusic is really a word-of-mouth alternative to the record business- something your friend tells you about rather than something you see a commercial for, so the personal connections we were making with people emphasized the grassroots nature of dmusic------ whereas our sales weren't up to par, i think we'll definitely make up for it in our new fans, especially since most of the people there (out of 150,000) were either musicians or atleast friends of musicians. we also met a lot of people from magazines and distributors, so we're getting our name out there-- as far as not showcasing the anti-RIAA aspect of dmusic, we had to in order to comply with our contract. so we did not have a giant "anti-riaa" sign, but we did not hide our feelings toward the RIAA when people asked us what dmusic was about-- and let me just say, that very few people did not ask "hey man-- so what's dmusic anyway?" oh, and we gave burning spear some free t-shirts. any other questions about bonnaroo, let me know, --tracy
onewhodreams	Date: June 17, 2004 @ 6:34 PM Oh!! I love Burning Spear! Thanks for the update
tracy	Date: June 17, 2004 @ 6:48 PM yeah, burning spear is great. I was talking it up with the mc, have no clue what his name was, but he was a real chill guy who could not stop talking about how amazing jamaica was
onewhodreams	Date: June 17, 2004 @ 11:37 PM I can only imagine how beautiful and amazing Jamaica is
victorsskull	Date: June 18, 2004 @ 12:04 AM umm what about the comp CD did you guys hand any out?
DevonPowell	Date: June 18, 2004 @ 12:49 AM I thought those CD's were going to be available online too?
tracy	Date: June 18, 2004 @ 1:48 AM yeah, we handed about 300 or so compilation disks out, volumes 1 and 2-- they should be available online very very shortly.
leflaw	Date: June 18, 2004 @ 1:55 AM If they ever get shipped
blubat	Date: June 18, 2004 @ 12:26 PM how many did you guys press? who made the playlists? and nice work vic!
independentm...	Date: June 19, 2004 @ 9:52 AM It really saddens me that dmusic signed any contract/agreement to not mention the boycott of the RIAA. IMHO we (and the dmusic community belongs to us all even if the site itself is an "owned" entity, so YES, I do mean "we") just got suckered out of $20,000. I am sure a portion of that money was raised from the donations of folks who were expecting the anti-riaa message was going to be prominent. (I know that I myself was expecting it to be so. Heck, I even offered to come help at the booth any way I could for free because of that expectation and since I live near enough where the event was held.) For myself, I must clearly state that I am very disappointed that dmusic bowed to such stipulations from the "enemy." From now on, it would be best if dmusic clearly let's the family know BEFOREHAND when they are putting the red-head stepchildren in the closet. Just be aware that the "unloved" kids sometimes run away from home for good when kicked one too many times. Shmoo, of Electric Gypsy, Supporting the movement to free the music, even when others are ashamed to do so.
leflaw	Date: June 19, 2004 @ 12:34 PM Our purpose at this site is to promote independent music. The purpose of Boycott-riaa is to promote anti-riaa activity. If you shackle us with forced politicizing of independent music, you are sentencing independent music and its artists to commercial death. Who wants to be a starving artist? We want a place at the table. TVT records (nine inch nails) is a non-riaa label. Do they have to wear anti-riaa t-shirts at every gig? Of course not. We bribed our way into the enemy camp to expose our music. Why would you want to blow the whistle on this invasion before we get on the beach? BTW, 98% of the out of pocket was mine, not donations. Not including all the mud all over our chevy suburban
leflaw	Date: June 19, 2004 @ 12:36 PM we are waiting for the shipment of the compilations by tuesday ( they were a bit late for Bonnaroo), and we will announce them and put them up for sale. Also, all the artists get 20 copies gratis.
leflaw	Date: June 19, 2004 @ 12:37 PM By the time I am done with my plan, Patsy Cline, Van Morrison, the Quarrymen and Ernest Tubb will be considered indies. Don't you get it?
sween	Date: June 19, 2004 @ 12:54 PM Good stuff, this all sounds great.
StefanieNewport	Date: June 19, 2004 @ 2:41 PM BTW, 98% of the out of pocket was mine, not donations."..... i commend your willingness to spend that kind of money as a benefit to us all! "Who wants to be a starving artist? We want a place at the table. "..... speaking as one, i hope to get a plate soon :nod:" id="103858">"BTW, 98% of the out of pocket was mine, not donations."..... i commend your willingness to spend that kind of money as a benefit to us all! "Who wants to be a starving artist? We want a place at the table. "..... speaking as one, i hope to get a plate soon
independentm...	Date: June 19, 2004 @ 5:18 PM I am glad dmusic got the word out about dmusic. I am pissed that boycott-riaa is now the red-head step-child. Belly up to the table. Get YOUR piece of the pie. If YOU get yours, to hell with the rest of the hungry folks who were not invited to the party.
independentm...	Date: June 21, 2004 @ 9:46 AM Ok, ok, maybe that WAS too harsh of me, but dadgummit... "get out the vote" and a dozen other political/social groups were allowed to have free speach at the event... why did WE have to give in to their demands (and PAY such an "ouch" price to boot?)
independentm...	Date: June 21, 2004 @ 10:10 AM leflaw, if this really was a "stealth invasion" I will applaud it and eat my humble pie... But if it turns out to be a "sell-out" ...then you know where you can burn. You have ALWAYS been a staunch supporter of what is RIGHT and GOOD in the "music war," sure, we all have had dis-agreements from time to time. But this whole Bonaroo debacle has really been on my mind a lot this past week or so. I have tried to bite my tounge and keep knee-jerk reactions to a minimum as much as I can out of trust for you and dmusic. You know I am an active and very vocal "member" of the boycott-riaa ideal, and you probably know I am one of the many indie's who got severely burned by the likes of mp3.com, so please take all I have said on this matter in that light. (once bitten, twice shy and all that...) I know you are not the same as a Michael Robertson, but you ARE in the same/similar position. You have a huge community of independent artists granting dmusic the content that makes dmusic possible. You are also a musician and have seen first hand how the industry/RIAA works from the inside to some extent. You have professed your disdain for the way big business and media corporations use and abuse the power they have. I am going to quote the late Ronald Regan here and say "trust, but verify" with regards to you and dmusic/boycott-riaa from now on. I am sure you don't want blind "followers" anyway. So please do not take offense. The "movement" to end the tyranny of the RIAA/industry is just TOO DAMN IMPORTANT to so many of us that when you "bend" on principals, even if in "stealth" mode, it is scary to us "red-headded step-children." I promise to be good mommy, I know in my heart you still love your baby. Shmoo
ronnie71	Date: June 21, 2004 @ 10:52 AM any focus on DMusic is great in my opinion for one it show people an alternative to RIAA music.. and if people are listening to DMusic insead of the Big Four then thats a win in my book.. 98% of the cost... damn Leflaw will you ever get tired of paying the bill for us... i tried donating the the best i could by buying some hosting and subscribtions, and offering music. sometimes i feel i dont do enough!!!!
leflaw	Date: June 21, 2004 @ 12:01 PM Do as much as you can. As far as Rock the Vote is concerned, it is sponsored by the RIAA, and was Hilary Rosen's pet project. Check it out. So what are you gonna do, not vote? Ps: Michael Robertson doesn't play music, nor has he ever sued a record company for royalties.
independentm...	Date: June 21, 2004 @ 12:23 PM yes, rock the vote gets a place to speak their mind at an RIAA dominated event AND is a PAID FOR by the RIAA organization. On the other hand, WE (well, since it was mostly YOUR money leflaw) ...WE had to PAY the 20k but had to be quiet about "certain aspects." c'mon, admit it. Sumpthin WRONG with all dat. Express your own outrage at having your freedom of speach restricted at an event that dmusic PAYED TO BE AT and set our minds at ease a little. Like I said, if this really is some sort of "stealth" plan... let some of the most vocal members know ahead of time the "how and why" and the "what's up" beforehand. LOOK AT IT from OUR point of view... Keep your "generals" informed if you doing something "sneaky behind the lines" or risk being declaired a traitor. I have been in e-mail contact (away from the boycott board) with many of our regulars about this whole thing and I can assure you it is more than just little ole' me that got spooked over it. Just keep the troops informed when something like this goes down, even if you gotta do it off the boards. We are a jittery lot you know.
independentm...	Date: June 21, 2004 @ 12:38 PM PS. I don't knock "rock the vote" for the message of getting out to vote... EVERYONE SHOULD VOTE! ...you should just vote 3rd party (fug the left, fug the right, and those in the middle are just letting the left and the right run em over, may as well NOT vote if you are in the middle... the "middle" is not a position. If you hang out in the middle, you just don't care what gets done to you or others by those in "power.")
independentm...	Date: June 21, 2004 @ 12:41 PM choose, or accept what you get ...the TRUTH (and also, the weakness) about any democratic society.
ronnie71	Date: June 22, 2004 @ 1:42 AM sounds like you are either with us or against us!!!! hmmm generals tell me what you have done? What battles are you fighting who have you conquered...how many flyers do you hand out, how many phone calls do you make, how many protest have you engaged in for this battle... do you go to the courtrooms to fight do you put up your money for this fight... 98% of the 20,000 is 19, 600 dollars who here would put up that kind of money to get DMusic name out.. only one person!!! so get off his ass, and get off your ass and do something!!!! either put up or shut up!!!!
victorsskull	Date: June 22, 2004 @ 4:32 PM I gave my time wich is worth money I think
StefanieNewport	Date: June 22, 2004 @ 4:54 PM victor
ronnie71	Date: June 23, 2004 @ 2:34 AM hell yeah Vic you da man!!!!
leflaw	Date: June 23, 2004 @ 9:48 AM Actually, we sold a bunch of T-shirts some Lost Gold CD's , guitar strings, etc. For a total net loss of about $14,000. Gave away a lot of stuff too. Burning Spear is wearing a Dmusic T-shirt last I heard . PS: Numbers don't include the $2000 cash down on trade in of our GMC Yukon into a Chevy Suburban to haul that stuff( which I needed an excuse to do anyway). Also Still waiting for 2000 CDs of DMusic compilations VOL 1 and 2. They should be here any day (they were too late for Bonnaroo - we didn't have enough lead time).
leflaw	Date: June 23, 2004 @ 11:44 AM What went on was this: I posted the event at boycott-riaa also, and they saw it two weeks before the event and freaked out and called me all sorts of things, saying I lied to them about our organization (dmusic). They offered me the money back. I elected to go forward, and agreed not to sell boycott t-shirts. Big deal. My call, the way I see it. Did I ever say that Boycott-Riaa was buying a booth at Bonnaroo? No. I said DMusic was buying a booth. Dmusic is not Boycott, and boycott is not Dmusic. I am trying to get the "loser" connotation away from "indie". And in case you haven't noticed, most of the acts at Bonnaroo are PRO-RIAA and anti-file sharing. Read the Art of War. Never fight a battle you can't win. Focus on the ones you can win.
ronnie71	Date: June 23, 2004 @ 10:49 PM cool.. plus the guitar you gave away!!!!
blubat	Date: June 24, 2004 @ 8:07 AM Have you ever watched war movies? Its all always the crazy gung ho AHHHH KILL EM ALL! guys that die first. No one seems to like them and the stand out. "well looks like that guy wants to die" ...guitars are cool.
leflaw	Date: June 24, 2004 @ 12:42 PM An Excellent guitar!
johnnygnote	Date: June 27, 2004 @ 9:55 AM Great update and wonderful work Tracy, sounds like you guys are maintaining the integrity of DM and promoting it the right way. It has been my experience, having been a political activist since the Viet Nam war, that it's better to to be for something than against. You win people over with that kind of attitude.
ronnie71	Date: June 28, 2004 @ 4:06 AM yes Johnny has got the right idea!!!!
Distilled1	Date: June 28, 2004 @ 9:41 PM great job guys! I wish I could have come and helped out
djfacemachine	Date: June 29, 2004 @ 12:41 AM some of my friends, including the boyfriend, were there and found the dmusic tent. it was a funny story. apparently the guy that was working the booth started telling them about the site and they had to interrupt them and tell him "we visit your site all the time, man". and the guy that was working the booth was all surprised but anyway, i guess they chatted with him a while and said they knew me. then they picked up like 10 cd's and gave them to our other friends when they got back home. they said i'm on a cd with van morrison hehe. i think its awesome that dmusic was there, getting exposure and hopefully having a fun time i wish i coulda gone!
DevonPowell	Date: June 29, 2004 @ 12:43 AM I take it those CD's still haven't arrived :/
leflaw	Date: June 30, 2004 @ 11:27 AM I am going to sue somebody if they aren't here today.
victorsskull	Date: June 30, 2004 @ 12:16 PM
DevonPowell	Date: July 2, 2004 @ 10:31 PM Let the litigation fly
JulyJudge	Date: July 12, 2004 @ 4:19 AM Way to go!
MickeyBreezy	Date: July 13, 2004 @ 1:07 AM so, who's all on these comp cd's
djfacemachine	Date: July 13, 2004 @ 1:23 PM question... if the compilation cd's haven't arrived yet, what were the dmusic volumes 1 and 2 cd's that you guys were handing out at bonnaroo?
leflaw	Date: July 13, 2004 @ 5:52 PM I ordered another batch. They should be here in 10 days. The first batch - who knows where they are? Probably in the middle of a field in Tennessee, or at 20 yard sales, or ebay...
djfacemachine	Date: July 13, 2004 @ 7:25 PM or in my mom's cd player
ebarbarella	Date: July 14, 2004 @ 1:08 PM djface... your mom has a copy? very cool! dmusic
MickeyBreezy	Date: July 15, 2004 @ 11:22 AM "so, who's all on these comp cd's"... ...'member when i asked that b4...
rnowmusic	Date: July 15, 2004 @ 9:15 PM leflaw and dmusic community-- Addressing the number 2000 at bonnaroo--leflaw you are to be highly commended for the $2000, out of your pocket, you put, to save dmusic the embarrassment of not having anything to offer at bonaroo and your call to do so. If your dedication isn’t recognized here, I’m sure there are others in the community who would LOUDLY LAUD you. The other 2000 I’d like to address, the “missing 2000 dmusic compilation CDs” is a tragedy that either points to the apathetic sloth of people behind the scenes who really don’t care, have the business practices of 2 year olds, or are just plain stealing. (My CDs sent 4 months ago are also missing). Whatever the case, like you and so many others have said, dmusic is supposed to be the alternative to THE INDUSTRY, an oasis to escape the underhanded, money-hungry, and apathetic sloth of BIG BUSINESS. But GOOD BUSINESS PRACTICES ARE NOT BAD, they will offer “a place at the table”. Many of us are small, the “Indies” of the music world complex, and that’s why we’re here, on this oasis. Please bear with me, as I try to empathize, sympathize, when we shoot ourselves in the foot by this confusion ----rnowmusic
MickeyBreezy	Date: August 6, 2004 @ 10:31 PM OK, I KNO YALL CAN C ME. WHO IS ALL ON THESE COMP CD'S, SUM1 PLEASE ANSWER ME, DAMMIT!!!
leflaw	Date: August 10, 2004 @ 12:15 AM http://news.dmusic.com/article/13689
MickeyBreezy	Date: August 10, 2004 @ 1:53 AM thanx leflaw, n wtf, patsy cline is a DMer
leflaw	Date: August 10, 2004 @ 10:07 AM Hey, DM is taking over the music industry. We just decided to delay the announcement until we are finished.
blubat	Date: August 10, 2004 @ 10:42 AM van morrison somehw i dont feel bad about not being on it anymore lol Leflaw you beter have taken my 6 hours of music listening into consideration lol.
kingo	Date: August 10, 2004 @ 12:01 PM Why's there the same song on 1 and 2? I MEAN IF IT WEREN'T FOR THAT I'M PRETTY EFFIN SURE WE WOULD'VE HAD A SONG ON THERE, I MEAN CRIPES, EVERYBODY LOVES US IT'S SO OBVIOUS, I HAVE TO CAPITULATE ALL MY LETTERS OVER HERE TOO, I'M GOING TO TAKE MY BALL AND GO BACK TO THE, UHM, SOME OTHER, ERR, I, WHAT I MEAN IS, JUST THAT, IT'S Hmmm?
blubat	Date: August 10, 2004 @ 2:24 PM lmao.
djeffectz	Date: August 12, 2004 @ 1:14 PM Sweet. Has DMusic been to/or have plans to go to NAMM? Dangit, I wish I could still go to NAMM (but alas I can't because I am in the Navy now). Uh oh.. speaking of Navy.. back to work hehe, wearing my Dmusic tshirt right now over lunch break - too bad I gotta wear a uniform. =P
spiralmux	Date: August 13, 2004 @ 3:44 AM LOL @ halaka It's freaking sweet that you guys passed out comps at Bonnaroo.

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