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jinx215	Date: November 5, 2005 @ 3:44 PM What up DMusic community? I've been working behind the scenes here at DM for a few but never made my impression felt on the forums before till now... so here it is... we are in the process of making DM a better website for musicians to reach the masses, express themselves, and subvert the traditional record industry. For this processs, we want to hear what the DM community wants and needs from the site. I want to hear likes, dislikes, the whole nine yards. Respond to this forum or email me at promotions@dmusic.com (if your shy about others). Let me know! This is the time to make a change in what has potential to be the best music site on the internet! Peace on the streets, Jinx
BlackMage	Date: November 5, 2005 @ 3:46 PM Uhhuh.
GeneHilbert	Date: November 5, 2005 @ 4:22 PM I always thought this site should have and be a label...... Promote artist hard off site and charge a nominal but fair percentage of CD sales if artist do well as a result. Most artist here are self produced, so cost incurred would be marketing oriented. The site does well, the artist does well. More capable artist on site could be given production and quality control positions to insure quality production standards. Tech heads to help maintain site – which is currently happening. Strong sales and marketing people to help formulate and implement promotions, and product sales. Plus, all legal aspects are already available with Leflaw’s guidance.
aflunky	Date: November 5, 2005 @ 11:53 PM From what I've seen, I'd say you guys should just keep doing what you're doing.
Fraser	Date: November 5, 2005 @ 11:58 PM Hm... I always wanted to be able to edit my posts after I post them, and have some more stuff relating to the forums (ie. post count, a wee bit bigger of an avvy, etc.) I also agree with Gene. Other than that, I just think the website should be changed up a little. Kinda like... Optional border colours, designs, etc. Just looks a little bland.
mudshadow	Date: November 6, 2005 @ 12:10 AM I predict Leflaw WILL start a label of his own....he definately has some talented folks here and I think the website is destined for greatness...look how addicted people become after they join up here...I believe it has a lot to do with the community aspect of it, the shoutboxes, comment sections, forumns, note system, etc. I don't wanna get into the "reasons DMusic is so great" I've done that countless times before...personally I think we should all get on our knees and thank Leflaw for providing such an awesome place to put our tunes and hang out. It's NOT like any other MP3 site...and I don't think we want it to be.
mudshadow	Date: November 6, 2005 @ 12:17 AM ok, one thing that might be cool, would be a way to sign up in a sort of "maintenance mode" so to speak, sometimes you need to work on your page, but you don't wanna be rude and ignore people who are shouting you and sending notes to you. if you could sign in invisibly for that purpose, that would be handy.
jinx215	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 1:10 AM Great comments and suggestions. Keep em comin!
tsand19151	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 1:16 AM yes, I agree with aflunky....ya gotta be able to edit post in the forums and song comments. I'm not the greatest speller in the world and it would be nice to correct typos or fix an emot. Have you noticed all the disable and handicapped emots? :dkdkjf:
leflaw	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 1:51 AM Dumb Question: Since most labels supposedly screw artists to make money, how would dmusic make money being a label? What personnel are required? I never worked for a record label, nor did I want to ( well I had an interview in CBS legal department once, but that another story....)
leflaw	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 1:51 AM BTW any of you live near Philly?
onewhodreams	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 11:11 AM I keep saying Dmusic Awards Round 2 There was so much excitement and participation last time in the whole DMusic Community so I don't understand why it keeps getting shot down.
CarvinAbuser	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 12:44 PM Just a suggestion... I think the top 20 listens and recent uploads under the main genres (Rock, Metal, Pop, etc.) should include tracks from all the subgenres, not just tracks uploaded before the subgenres were put in place. This will make it fair for artists with tracks uploaded after the subgenres were put in place. Either that or allow artists to choose the main genre if they want to.
hantu	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 12:51 PM "Have you noticed all the disable and handicapped emots? :dkdkjf:" I actually thought the same when i forst came here... but thats what makes it all the more fun ... especially when the typos end up completely changing the meaning of a sentence into something well lets just leave it at "something" But then again i guess it would hurt Who actualy made this forum? i always thought it was the creators of DMusic, thats why it don't have the general options most/all other forums have.... coz other forums buy it from companies or get it free with ads and just incorporate it into their site... Well i assumed DMusic did create the forum.... and i think thats is friggin awesome. But i guess some more forum features wouldn't hurt
kingo	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 12:51 PM OWD: I agree, it'd be cool to have another awards thing. Might be more harder to manage it this time, though -- is there any good way of tracking what tracks would be valid? Stuff uploaded since the end of the voting period from last time would be what I would think would be valid, but how can somebody track that? Why am I putting this in this same thread? Maybe this should be a thread. A THREAD. I have no talent for threading. There's what's wrong with DMusic: my talent for threading is undetectable.
onewhodreams	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 1:06 PM Yeah, I would think that the songs that won last time could not be nominated again. Pretty simple. Last time did work pretty well I thought except for a few minor problems. Of course I'd be willing to run it again, but it would have to be agreeable with the community.
RoryRojas	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 5:16 PM it would be cool if every site wasnt the blue theme.
kingo	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 5:19 PM It's more than that, OWD... I was implying that all the songs that were eligible for nomination last time shouldn't be in the running this time. In my opinion.
hantu	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 6:28 PM "it would be cool if every site wasnt the blue theme." No it wouldn't, it would be annoying, i would never come back to DM if they made every page with a diff theme ... thats just crazy talk man.
jack	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 6:56 PM Live chat!
jack	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 6:56 PM maybe some sort of hybrid irc thing.
PrincessTast...	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 8:10 PM a continental breakfast nah, just kiddin
GreatGooglyM...	Date: November 9, 2005 @ 9:42 AM Personally, I find this forum a bit dull. Here should be features like, "edit" and "quote" etc... Edit feature should be also in comments and shouts. Otherwise, I think this site is pretty cool.
MickeyBreezy	Date: November 9, 2005 @ 2:25 PM gene's idea is a very cool 1, n i agree fully w/ it. as every1 said, the editing n personalization capability would be cool 2. the chat room idea would be cool, but in my opinion, would kinda kill the forums, n the forums are 1 of the most entertaining parts of this site. i do like the ease of use of this site, i've been 2 other mp3 sites, n i cant figure 'em out half the time. whoever created this really had the user in mind when doing so. we've all talked about doin sumthin w/ the charts, but i think no matter how it is done, it'll end up bein the same as it is now, so unless sum1 who is way smarter than me has an idea, i just dont kno. the recommended artist thing needs 2 be changed tho, cuz alot of the times i see artists on my page that i wouldnt ever recomend so i think when ppl see that on my page, they'll get the wrong idea. ....i cant think of much more, but i'll be back if i do.
Hatsy	Date: November 9, 2005 @ 4:09 PM Some great thoughts here, especially agreed with Bill Rhynes comments, the maintenance mode is an ace idea The great thing about dm is that it's not like any other site
Intergalacti...	Date: November 9, 2005 @ 5:54 PM I back that idea about a competiton sort of things just promoting the best artist on here. I think we should have an awards night of such. for example best newcomer (last six months or so), best song, best artist, hall of fame kinda think, sort of a life time acheivement thing( basically a veteran on here who is givin advice helping others etc etc and still creating good music). That idea about making sites personal. Not so much chajmgin the whole look just colours to suit peoples personality would be cool. But I definitely agree with bringing back the whole dmusic awards thing. It has to be advertised and you have to get people involved. Get people talking about it in shoutboxes it could be a prestigious thing this dmusic award annually and maybe the winners could get a small token each (nothing big cos we need a couple of categories like)
guitaroo	Date: November 10, 2005 @ 10:43 AM I love the shoutbox but it'd be better if you could edit your posts
guitaroo	Date: November 10, 2005 @ 10:44 AM ^in the forum
orgasmotron	Date: November 10, 2005 @ 3:25 PM easier way to rearrange songs ie.drag and drop. probably dosen't matter for you people with subscriptions because you can have a million and a half songs on your page but every time I upload a song I have to rearrange my page and it takes hours.
jinx215	Date: November 10, 2005 @ 10:15 PM Drag and Drop... brilliant! I love the shoutbox too! it's a dmusic asset! But back to LEFLAW's previous questions: Since most labels supposedly screw artists to make money, how would dmusic make money being a label? What personnel are required? What do y'all think?
K3VIN	Date: November 10, 2005 @ 10:22 PM how do we know this jinx isnt a spy?!
aflunky	Date: November 10, 2005 @ 10:59 PM Go half and half! When MP3.COM started, hey sold their Album at a minimum of $8 and a max of $20. Price the album accordingly and split it so that DMusic gets half and The Artist gets half. It cost a probably less then $3 to make a CD so you'd each make a profit.
Rodrica	Date: November 11, 2005 @ 6:39 AM Think I'd be better emailing, often if I try and make public suggestions on these subjects it usually results in unpleasantness or misinterpretation. I'll go away and have a good loooooong think
southwing	Date: November 11, 2005 @ 8:56 AM An old biker proverb we used to say-'If it ain't broke, don't fix it'. dmusic works just fine for me anyway.....except the very front page.....[today's top twenty listens]......hell, who are these people anyway?, and whos listening to them? I just checked out some dude, he was't that good, he had no comments on his stuff, i've never seen him in the community,but he's on the front page.
DaveWL	Date: November 11, 2005 @ 9:28 AM 1) We need a quota on the number of talented artists let in. There are fat too many talented people here and it's making some of us look bad (mainly me). 2) We need a 24 hour baby creche 3) We need a dress-down day on Fridays. Let we will have one hell of a site.
imemine	Date: November 11, 2005 @ 9:48 AM ...and don't forget FREE coffee!
MickeyBreezy	Date: November 11, 2005 @ 11:46 PM THATS WHAT WE NEED! someone to bring us the free coffee, like a personal assistant
GeneHilbert	Date: November 12, 2005 @ 12:16 AM 's good..... I could use a back rub......
MickeyBreezy	Date: November 12, 2005 @ 12:20 AM then maybe u should ask DM 2 hire koreans....just a thought
zedsalt	Date: November 12, 2005 @ 11:38 AM I'm with joenmelice on this one. "Move the dirty dishes before you piss in the sink". Oops, sorry, wrong biker proverb.
leflaw	Date: November 12, 2005 @ 3:01 PM Jusr thought of a solution to the chart problem. Each stream counts for 1; Each free download counts for 2; Each paid 128k download counts for 20; Each paid 256k download counts for 40. Hmmm...............
Distilled1	Date: November 12, 2005 @ 8:03 PM I like the math Leflaw. I would really like to see where Empireday is really at if we promote our bands sites than we could realy see where its at
celtaidd	Date: November 12, 2005 @ 10:11 PM it would help if the non-us non subscribers knew what the u s time was, that way we would know if the majority were online or not otherwise we're talking to ourselves, even tough i do most of the time anyway
celtaidd	Date: November 12, 2005 @ 10:15 PM by the way its 3:06 GMT pissed, tired and Welsh. By the way why no Welsh flag emoticon (nag, nag, nag)
mudshadow	Date: November 12, 2005 @ 10:30 PM heres whats wrong...reason #... cant find stuff! fer instance... I know you guys have a cd duplicating package/dealy...where I can have cds made...cant find it...other things too, you need a better index/reference thingy for us lost souls out here, so we can find ALL the great things D has to offer on , perhaps, ONE page?
guitaroo	Date: November 13, 2005 @ 11:51 AM I think there should be a way to instant messange some. I still want to keep shoutbox's though.
GeneHilbert	Date: November 13, 2005 @ 11:56 AM Notes and shout box..... both are pretty instant
guitaroo	Date: November 13, 2005 @ 11:56 AM True...
TameasDust	Date: November 14, 2005 @ 12:23 PM chat rooms are nice but I want voice dammit ... of course bandwidth bandwidth bandwidth comes into that ... anywho maybe dmusic upper up's can come up with a site that will be the official chat site for dmusic ... however that means someone will loose all their fretime from now till forever cause they would have to be on all the time and monitor that chat room ...by the by text chat is what we already have (shoutboxes/forums) and text chat sucks ... other things ... we need more change on the site ... and we neeed to torch more people ... the air is getting stagnant ... I want the aroma of charred flesh ... but change is good just dont tell my other self that I said that ... they are quite upset about the so called gopod for the dite changes in the works. I know that NO ONE WILL READ all of this so it don't really matter what I say in the finer moments of this ... yah ever notice that the dmusic attention span is about 3 lines ... unless it is a haha joke of course in which case the person gets sucked in for the full time ... One more thing voice chat would be nice ... and then we could find out if you CAN really sing or is that all synthesizer and you actually sound like a frog in a tunnel on a hot winter day with a cold ... anywho people will scan and say and maybe perchance think but they will always get the point if they say what is needed is
psypig	Date: November 14, 2005 @ 12:43 PM But if you're having a hot winter, surely the frog won't have a cold? maybe hayfever?
hantu	Date: November 14, 2005 @ 12:46 PM Hah! "yah ever notice that the dmusic attention span is about 3 lines" Good point though Voice Chat, it would be cool!!!
Intergalacti...	Date: November 14, 2005 @ 5:09 PM Hmm whats wrong with Dmusic.... Shamprod is here
hantu	Date: November 14, 2005 @ 7:02 PM YOU!!!! ShamProd prod's IWH rendering him obsolete
Rodrica	Date: November 15, 2005 @ 5:22 AM Regarding DM as a label... Just a thought, but if we were to go down that route then DM would have to spend time/money raising it's own profile as a label - i.e. promoting itself as such and raising awareness of this part of the business. We would not be able to just jump in and represent artists without establishing ourselves outside DM's promotional parameters as a recognisable record label. So any such venture would have to be a 2 stage operation - firstly establishing DM as a label, and then representing artists. Then we'd have to establish the criteria for representing an artist. Hard facts, but some artists, although talented and well-loved, are not necessarily marketable on a wider scale. Sadly, style, image, age and other factors inevitably come into play. This would ultimately result in DM having to concentrate their efforts on the most marketable "product", and with half a million members, many would have to be rejected - that may be contrary to DMusic's objectives, USP and policy as an internet site.
ebarbarella	Date: November 15, 2005 @ 9:41 AM there's nothing wrong with dmusic the label idea sounds very cool i will note asap! Dmusic
DeadraveN	Date: November 15, 2005 @ 11:25 AM i wanna see shamprod and IGW fight to the death. that'd crack me right up. I'll even buy the winner a cookie.
GeneHilbert	Date: November 15, 2005 @ 12:20 PM DM as a label..... All issues stated in rebuttal to my label statement are valid but missing the point. We have a stable of independent musicians looking to market their products. The down sides you all mention while are normal operating business for the larger more corrupt major labels are not specifically mandatory operational procedures that we are obligated to follow. Style, sex, age, race or non-factors, simply because what one person likes not all will. There are larger demographic preferences – but those people age and are open to different styles, and not specifically lock into their primary choices. However all styles are represented and available. We are “Independents Musicians” that alone should states the oblivious.…. I don't believe it can't be done with out ripping off or taking advantage of each other. As well if anyone else believes this to be a prerequisite to marketing a musical product - then that alone validates the majors treatment of musicians and composers. 1. This is a music site. 2. We have talented self-producing composers & players. 3. We have products. 4. We have a store. 5. We have listeners and non musician users. 6. We have availability and opportunity. The question is: how do we the musicians take advantage of this opportunity to promote, market and sell our products to a successful end? Utilizing resources we use anyway. Helps you, helps us. Win Win So if you don’t want to be bothered or it is not worth your time - then say that….. but never ever believe it can’t be done.
TameasDust	Date: November 15, 2005 @ 1:39 PM Well we already have everything to make a label ... so why not ... DMusic Records sounds cool ... we even have a lawyer as a member too ... sides I would think the members here would be honoured to be on the DMusic Records label
kingo	Date: November 15, 2005 @ 3:24 PM Gene:
ebarbarella	Date: November 15, 2005 @ 4:12 PM Gene Dmusic Records ... kick ass name there!
MickeyBreezy	Date: November 16, 2005 @ 12:43 AM sign me up
MickeyBreezy	Date: November 16, 2005 @ 12:44 AM oh, i do have 1 suggestion.... making it so when u click a thread, u end up on the last page of it, instead of the 1st page.
EtherEclectic	Date: November 16, 2005 @ 2:15 AM does anyone really like the thumbs up, thumbs down feature? ist not like its really visible right away like it used to be. i dont really like the thumbs up/down garbage...if i knew who was the one who rated it up/down i'd probably like it better.
Rodrica	Date: November 16, 2005 @ 12:51 PM Label... I believe it CAN be done I just want to make sure that DM maintains its originality, thereby holding on to a USP which in the long run gives us an advantage. That tactic works with this website, and should be maintained when considering the operational side of the record company. There are a plethora of both large and small record companies, many are independent. What we must do is learn from their mistakes (keep an eye on people like myspace too). We can avoid a lot expensive research and strategical problems by looking at other organisations and where we can improve or be different from them. If we don't fall into the trap of competing with them on their level, and instead create our own niche (using our own techniques), then we could succeed. It would be a great help if we could define DM Record Company's objectives and perhaps highlight the areas in which DM could help the artists. Independent artists are used to self-promotion and will need to know the precise ways in which DM can achieve more on their behalf. For example, I would have questions like: Will there be a bias towards marketing in the States, will it be web-based or can DM establish contacts on the ground to help with organising live shows, can DM promote to the public beyond it's own membership, how will this differ from the set-up and cd sales feature we already have, can it help songwriters (as opposed to artists), etc. etc... Once we know exactly what we're trying to do...it will be a whole lot easier and quicker to establish whether it's feasible or not. And DMusic Records sounds pretty good to me
MickeyBreezy	Date: November 16, 2005 @ 7:27 PM u kno what gene, i dont think i've ever clicked on, or viewed my own thumbsup/thumbsdown scores....
GeneHilbert	Date: November 16, 2005 @ 10:49 PM Rod I concur...... we have some brilliant minds here - this needs some serious knock around discussion. I have found the thumb thing is pretty useless - most users don't bother.... I use it only if I really dig a track even then sometimes I don't. I’ve seen it used as a dissenting tools by pecker-heads from the forums or someone that really dislikes your reviews of their works, then they go to your page and thumb down everything - but now that it can't be seen by the public that has pretty much stopped.
hantu	Date: November 16, 2005 @ 10:52 PM the thumbsup thing don't stand out much... i forget its even there
TameasDust	Date: November 17, 2005 @ 5:49 AM http://www.dmusic.com/forum/musicbiz/11281 on that subject
jimbobber1985	Date: November 17, 2005 @ 7:25 AM rodrica makes a valid point, a record label needs to make money. promotion is expensive, mass cd production costs money and then the artists still have to be paid. The label would have to be very selective about which artists it represented (do we really have half a million members???), who would do the selecting? Also our members are spread all over the globe, will any promotion be undertaken outside the US? A DM label is a really cool idea but would implementing it go against the original ethos of the site? Perhaps an afilliation (is that how u spell it?) with a label seperate to the site would work?
TameasDust	Date: November 18, 2005 @ 9:22 PM I have been trying to get the local university to play stuff from here but they only accept cd's ... most tech advanced uni in eastern canada and they don't want mp3's
hantu	Date: November 18, 2005 @ 9:49 PM so stick some of ur favs on cd for them ... no???
MickeyBreezy	Date: November 19, 2005 @ 1:24 AM we should have an "Emcees" forum, seeing as how the vast majority of DM are rappers.
onewhodreams	Date: November 19, 2005 @ 1:36 AM The vast majority of DM are rappers?
TameasDust	Date: November 19, 2005 @ 4:47 AM Should rappers be called vocalists
shadowself	Date: November 19, 2005 @ 11:04 AM Of course.
TameasDust	Date: November 20, 2005 @ 12:41 AM ok so they don't need a special forum then
hantu	Date: November 20, 2005 @ 12:49 AM no more forums... someone has said it before... there is alreday enough... you start adding more then there will be another one and then another one... its crazy man! People of DM stop being so fukin greedy
TameasDust	Date: November 20, 2005 @ 12:52 AM well more forums means more forums I hyjack for other random topics which have nothing to do with the forum
hantu	Date: November 20, 2005 @ 1:07 AM good point!
TameasDust	Date: November 20, 2005 @ 4:39 AM DMusic Records rock .... unfortunately the name may be taken do a search ....
Intergalacti...	Date: November 20, 2005 @ 11:08 AM hmmm i could go for a cookie, what flavour?
sanabriamusic	Date: November 20, 2005 @ 11:44 AM I refuse to feel that i am in the wrong place cause i love this site and the work that all the members do. but it would be cool to see the latin genre getting filled just a bit...i am already going around and spreading the word. if dmusic has other ways to bring them that would be cool. and i agree with all the other stuff you guys have pointed out.
K3VIN	Date: November 20, 2005 @ 11:50 AM someone should make a canadian rap genre and we can talk about pumping maple syrup j/k
Alecs	Date: November 20, 2005 @ 12:06 PM I agree with strat that we should be able to edit our own posts, comments etc. Plus a quote function would be cool rather than just copying and putting in "".
GreatGooglyM...	Date: November 20, 2005 @ 3:22 PM At least someone agrees with me on that matter!
guitaroo	Date: November 20, 2005 @ 7:55 PM I agree also
jimbobber1985	Date: November 21, 2005 @ 4:19 AM wot about bein able to change ur band name? mine has changed but its still fukin dj imbo, fukin hate that name!
TameasDust	Date: November 21, 2005 @ 12:27 PM ole well so much for standards ... lookin at the independant being going to establishment move .... oh well
Alecs	Date: November 21, 2005 @ 1:50 PM ^I almost always agree w u, Strat^
TameasDust	Date: November 22, 2005 @ 3:15 PM no edit for people ... we like to see there mistooks ... to see if they are human or invader alien
Intergalacti...	Date: November 22, 2005 @ 6:42 PM jim ask a member of admin they will change yiour name
shadowself	Date: November 22, 2005 @ 7:55 PM Actually, I think the name DJ Imbo is pretty funny. I should call myself MC Larke
shadowself	Date: November 22, 2005 @ 7:56 PM or MC Murray...
jimbobber1985	Date: November 23, 2005 @ 5:44 AM id have to change my avatar aswell. i love that avatar, reminds me of being young..... maybe i shud just stay as i am. change is bad, especially in yorkshire
psypig	Date: November 23, 2005 @ 5:55 AM Did somebody say yorkshire????!!!!!?!!!111eleventyone!!?
hantu	Date: November 23, 2005 @ 6:05 AM in york pa pa you'll find a cork papa, in every street pa pa beneath your feet pa papapapa
jimbobber1985	Date: November 23, 2005 @ 6:51 AM YOKSHIRE!! YORKSHIRE!! YORKSHIRE!! (repeat eleventyonehundred times).....
jimbobber1985	Date: November 23, 2005 @ 6:51 AM btw wheres that song from????
FolkloreLegend	Date: April 5, 2006 @ 11:53 AM You should really update the forum. Make it much less confusing and give it a better layout, like on VBulletin. Also, as mentioned, we should be able to edit/delete posts and quote other people.If you could get VBulletin that would be cool, or at least make things a bit clearer.

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