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leflaw	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 3:36 AM Leflaw's summary of Dmusic 1998 - present. Angelo Sotira + Michael Ovitz "The world's first Musical Social Networking site" Angelo Sotira + Leflaw "First Dmusic redesign and The rise of Deviantart". Michele Robertson "Where the hell is the Mp3.com email list" Leah Reznik "The Russian Revolution" Joe Knapp (Someone told me he recently joined the circus - seriously). Leflaw (Until somebody else steps to the plate).
independentm...	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 4:44 AM 1998 huh? Wow. ings: "10 years gone - holding on" --Led Zeppelin
zedsalt	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 4:56 AM Not that I think my opinion should carry any great weight, but just to be sure I've stated it clearly enough: None of my complaints about the new design have anything to do with bugs. In forming those opinions, I imagined what the experience would be like without the predictable changeover difficulties. Hilbert is right; the old design was much more user-friendly and eye-pleasing. Sometimes, when almost everybody seems to think the same thing, almost everybody is right.
independentm...	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 5:07 AM I agree with those above who say K.I.S.S. (We don't need to try being like MySpace giving too many dangerous toys to the users) Once the site is repaired, I feel we really need to start doing some national promotion of DMusic on radio and Tv, on Google ADSense, on campus newspapers, etc. We need to "build the brand" and bring in fans. (I know, I know, expensive as hell, but I promise it will be worth it in the long run.) Leflaw, if you want to make back some money you have spent and spent over the years, you need to hire a full time ad-executive. Get someone who is very experienced on NATIONAL playing field. Hell, give 'em %50 commission if that's what it takes to get a GOOD ad-huckster. (DON'T settle for someone who any major media outlet wouldn't envy you for. Get a real PRO!) DMusic suffers from having to many of the "creative types" on staff in ratio to "money making go-getters" to really accomplish much beyond what we already have enjoyed. We need to start focusing on PROMOTION and INCOME! ------ All this is IMHO of course.
Distilled1	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 5:08 AM I found the old design clunky and old/ and the bugs well it was really buggy. the new design is much more pleasing at least to me it looks 100% more pro (the old site look was well OLD) and hey I'm 40 not 18 so its not that I don't like whats the same to stay the same... I still didn't see the majority liking the old site. but again I was on the side of new so maybe I didn't count it or notice it.
Distilled1	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 5:09 AM hmmm
ShadowMom	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 5:12 AM Awwww.... hell, Zed. The same can be said of all of us. Things change!
Distilled1	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 5:13 AM not posting blocked!
jack	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 6:41 AM test
jack	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 6:41 AM test
jack	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 6:41 AM oh dear..
ShadowMom	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 6:46 AM blowing up Jack for fun and profit.
Woof	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 9:20 AM Just a few thoughts on this latest round of discussion: If we're going to tout DM as a pioneer in Social Networking, wouldn't it be a little awkward to label Social Networking as counterproductive in the same breath? It's like saying we were the first to get it wrong... Pioneering is great. It's historic. And besides that, it's good for PR. There's a lot to be said for keeping up with the times as well, though. The Commodore 64 was a pioneer in home computing, but who uses one today? Funny you should mention telemarketing, leflaw... That was one of my very first jobs. One thing I learned from that, is people generally give you 30 seconds to get their attention. And if you haven't hooked them within that time, you're toast. I think that holds true for the web as well. When somebody's visiting a site, they're outta here if they don't find something they like, quickly. During those critical first moments, they'll be asking themselves: "What can I do here?". For artists, there's a good amount of features to interest them, and it does look like DM is on its' way to a healthy recovery. From what I've seen over these last couple of days, I doubt there will be anything but minor glitches to deal with, given another weeks' attention or so. Of course, anything that could enhance the impression that first-time visitors get would be a big step forward. I'm sure lots of people have suggestions for that. Personally, I'd welcome a lot more eye candy, but that's just my preference. That's really all I've got for now... and thanks again for a great discussion.
Rodrica	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 9:47 AM We don't have to try and discredit social networking sites in order to be different from them. DMusic started it all - we've been there, seen it, done it and bought the t-shirt. It's up to DMusic to show the way for interactive music sites by doing their own thing. In fact discrediting any other organization in an effort to prove we are better would be counter productive and not very professional. Concentrating on DMusic's own positive points will be far more beneficial. Woof's right. The marketing guys make a science out of studying how long ppl will stare at a newspaper, magazine or internet page. The internet also has the added problem of how long pages take to load. So whilst we need the site to look good, if those on a slower internet connection have to wait ages for the bells and whistles to load, then I'm afraid you've immediately lost them. Whatever we do here, people must be able to see (and access) what they need to in the shortest possible time. It's a fine balance between design and usability. As for publicity...it's doesn't have to cost anything - apart from time. It would be great for the site if Larry could be interviewed on some internet radio stations and "sell" the concept of DMusic. I think he needs to be more high profile (sorry Larry!). Sometimes it's possible to get free local newspaper coverage. Members should be encouraged to write letters to relevant newspapers and magazines mentioning DMusic. There are many places in the public domain where you can get a free "plug" if you go about it the right way (and don't make it look like blatant advertising) Firstly we've got to get the site working efficiently, decide on our objectives, and establish our best selling points.
rolar3	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 9:51 AM I plugged dmusic word of mouth every chance I got. Now I am constantly asked what happened to the site. I think word of mouth is the best way to get the word out about us. Alsk...I am able to stream and download and uload again.....Man I missed that function!
Distilled1	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 10:15 AM heres the trouble many and I am counting at least 20 bands/artist I know came here and could not get it in a reasonable time. some of these guys work on computers in a windows environment for a job! so that 30 second thing is a must for BOTH listener and artist. as well word of mouth works great! if there is something to keep the interest of the listener and artist again same thing. the time to load pages? I know there are a few here still that are on dial up connections for what ever reason but 90% of the world that use computers are on a decent if not super fast connection. (don't quote me on it) and that means we need some candy to dray in. I look at it this way if we cant get the younger generations involved and using this instead of the RIAA crap we will not stay alive. (this has nothing to do with the site being down, just throwing thise ideas out there my views only and the way I see things( its kinda like the Moose Lodge I am a member of. I have run the gamete of member to governor of the Lodge (its a bar, private club/restaurant) that has been administered by the same 2 people for so long and although they want younger members to join (or it will die) they like to keep it the same and have their pvt little club with a few friends. Its sad but true new blood (youth) must want and use the service that is offered or the service dies. one way is to use face book (I really cant figure that one out) and myspace (we have a page why not really promo DMusic.com there put the why its better for musicians and post on every friend ofs page every week or so HI from DMusic.com the REAL INDEPENDENT MUSIC SITE! with a nice little graphic? I have been trying to get a group of SL musicians to come here, they all say its hard to figure out. so I went where they all are joining (now I had trouble here) and the median age of SL musicians? (32-50) they are using thesixtione.com its a vote/bump site (yep kinda like garage band is that the one? ) where an artist has to be bumped to move up and I tell you what people like it a lot, its that action almost a game to get points and bump other artist your favs or your self that they like , blew my mind as I dont care for the whole you have to do this to get another song uploaded stuff, but I guess some do. and they have a little links on each page add this to your facebook,myspace, etc digg (about a ton of sites like that we need people to be able to add DMusic to their sites with a great widgit or what not... man am I on a why? Because I love this place and I love the people here ...yep all of them! I love the music good and bad... most of all I like the community spirit!
Distilled1	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 10:44 AM oh and thsose add to digg and facebook etc ore on blogs too how hard would it be to add to the footer off all the pages?
Woof	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 11:14 AM
leflaw	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 11:38 AM Now that we have new servers more or less working, we are returning to the "redesign". First of all, the redesign was not ready, and was implemented before I authorized it. I was planning on phasing it in as a skin, so that you could choose your interface ( there was the original pre - Napster color interface of 1998-2000 also.) Our basic idea was to make the site templatable. We planned on a six month process - it took two years. Won't be long now, I think (hope).
Distilled1	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 11:39 AM that is all
leflaw	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 11:47 AM In a nutshell - when I bought Dmusic in 2001, I had a simple thought - Mp3.com had started a revolution by accident and had sold out. My plan - keep the revolution alive. I didn't give a shit about social networking. I didn't even go to the high school prom. It is not easy being a revolutionary. I am reading a book called "Young Stalin". Just for ideas.
leflaw	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 11:49 AM It would be great for the site if Larry could be interviewed on some internet radio stations and "sell" the concept of DMusic. I think he needs to be more high profile (sorry Larry!) Well, I inteneded to be at one point, but health and other issues intervened. DM needs a front person, thats fersure. Maybe somebody like Jessica Biel .
leflaw	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 11:51 AM I always thought that VC stood for Viet Cong ( Bill Evans would have appreciated that one).
NosmoKing	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 11:55 AM I suppose a question that is on most peoples minds is "Will the music that has is gone be able to be recovered or if not can we be told to move on?" Either way, Its a good thing to know! Clearly those of us that are here, intend to stay here!
Woof	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 11:57 AM From Enemy Of The State: Brill: In guerrilla warfare, you try to use your weaknesses as strengths. Robert Clayton Dean: Such as? Brill: Well, if they're big and you're small, then you're mobile and they're slow. You're hidden and they're exposed. You only fight battles you know you can win. That's the way the Vietcong did it. You capture their weapons and you use them against them the next time.
leflaw	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 12:07 PM NEWS FLASH ---- Just got off phone call with DATA recovery place. 10 gigs worth of files are recoveable with file names and folders. 50 gigs are recoverable as RAW files without file names, so they will have to be RENAMED! AHHHHHH! WAITING FOR EMAIL LIST OF FILES. Then we will make a decision about data recovery.
leflaw	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 12:08 PM Also investigating methods of recovering file names.
leflaw	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 12:11 PM ... like setting up a podcast station that places the files, and having listeners submit metatags .
rolar3	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 12:13 PM Rock on Larry....I hope your chewed up fingernails grow backout without getting ingrown. I know this has been a nightmare for you and us all!!!
leflaw	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 12:16 PM It's been seven weeks of hell.
Distilled1	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 12:18 PM like setting up a podcast station that places the files, and having listeners submit metatags would this be a podcast of each track you could skip if you don't know it or one long 50GB mp3 !! I thought I had some long podcast shows at 60MB
ShadowMom	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 12:22 PM If most of these files are from the last year or so, they'll be pretty identifiable. So listeners could add the tag if they recognize a track?
NosmoKing	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 12:30 PM We could play name that tune! Of course the problem is hearing the tune by the person or person who can identify it! Bush has a much better chance of hitting that satelite.. or if they miss it, perhaps him! (I can say that, I'm Canadian)
zedsalt	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 1:25 PM I just had a thought (yeah, I know- scary!). I've been setting up a place to archive songs I've taken down from this and other sites at, appropriately enough, archive.org. I've seen mention in their "about us" material that one purpose they hoped to serve was to storehouse pages and sites no longer otherwise available ("404- file not found"s). Toward this end, they've been making copies of entire websites, with a focus on the Arts. You don't suppose they could be of assistance to DM's recovery efforts? Might be worth asking them.
zedsalt	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 1:31 PM I should probably mention: I don't think my Archive page is ready just yet. I made some bonehead newbie mistakes setting it up and my first efforts involved files of questionable quality. The page that I think should be a keeper is "1st Selections", as opposed to "Selections", "Selections 1", etc. When the good(?) page is ready, I plan to post something in the Help forum here to try to get some opinions about the sound quality problem I mentioned, but in the meanwhile, I'm hoping they might be of assistance to DM as a whole.
leflaw	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 1:41 PM Good idea. Should we archive everything over there? Or just subscriber stuff ? Or just stuff we like ( me and a dozen or so others?) etc?
Distilled1	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 1:45 PM like 12/1998 http://web.archive.org/web/19981203103423/http://dmusic.com/ 4/1999 http://web.archive.org/web/19990429085200/http://dmusic.com/ 3/2000 http://web.archive.org/web/20000303163850/http://www.dmusic.com/ 12/2000 http://web.archive.org/web/20001206180200/http://www.dmusic.com/ 12/2001 http://web.archive.org/web/20010917042124/www.dmusic.com/ 11/2002 http://web.archive.org/web/20020925032646/www.dmusic.com/ 4/2003 (this is when I remember from http://web.archive.org/web/20020925032646/www.dmusic.com/ 1/2004 (look I am on the login!!, oh it will be you lol)http://web.archive.org/web/20040120233240/http://www1.dmusic.com/ 1/2005 (a change?) http://web.archive.org/web/20050101040742/http://www.dmusic.com/ 1/2006 (a change again) http://web.archive.org/web/20060101081218/http://www.dmusic.com/ 5/2006 (!!!!) http://web.archive.org/web/20060517204818/www.dmusic.com/ 12/2006 (heres a mess) http://web.archive.org/web/20061229200048/http://www.dmusic.com/ and 2007 http://web.archive.org/web/20070821211407/http://www.dmusic.com/ thats fun should do Empireday.com !!!
Tattoomom	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 2:36 PM I'm for playing name that tune!!!
kyodylee	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 3:19 PM Perhaps we could pool our resources in someway. Not sure how it would work but I have 4.25GB (983 files) of DMusic tracks, all identified, on my harddrive. It's only a fraction of the site, but I'm sure many others have a lot of DMusic as well.
leflaw	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 3:28 PM Make a copy on a DVD and send it over! Thanks! (Ps: is the meta data (ID# tags) filled out?)
Distilled1	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 3:31 PM I have a ton as well,,, issue is many of mine are pre-2007 I do have some though from recently.and corect me if I'm wrong, we lost like the past year? and I tag them artist-title and more if I know it.
Tattoomom	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 3:37 PM I went to my high school prom...I wore a black leather mini-skirt and a wife-beater tank top, fish-net stockings and boots.... Figured that was a bigger middle finger than not going at all!
BOWILLIE	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 3:38 PM
Mojosnake	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 3:40 PM looks like ol bo got more than a middle finger
kyodylee	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 3:48 PM Unfortunately, I think most do not have the ID tags filled out. That has been a longstanding complaint I've had with the artists here. I think it should be a requirement to upload. But I do save them by adding the artist name on the title or group them in folders with the artist name if that's of any help. And many of the tracks are older and were already removed by the artists from their pages for various reasons. So again, not sure how that would work either. Finally, I don't have a DVD burner. I know, I know! But I d/l music, not movies so I've never needed one. I could burn to CD though.
ChillinBuzz	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 5:57 PM If I could be bothered to go around and get the various artists' permission, I'd post my DMusic archive up on the torrent network... I have a ton of stuff that was either demo material, deleted from the site or is probably no longer streaming. Too many files to go through and check on the site though. I'm pretty sure it's not as many as kyodylee (and I know Distilled1 has a good collection too) and I wouldn't want to piss past or present DMers off by posting music that may have changed in terms of licence or mixing.
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 6:12 PM These updates are welcome and encouraging, so thank you Larry for taking the time to keep us informed. We all feel less nervous and the rumour mongering and and speculation reduces when we are kept in the picture. Thanks again. Communication from you as the top guy is vital in keeping the natives from restlessness
keiross	Date: February 19, 2008 @ 11:11 PM Thanks for the info and all the hardwork Leflaw
GTOriginal	Date: February 20, 2008 @ 12:59 AM No High School Prom for me either. My girlfriend at the time didn't wanna go cause she was like 25. Plus the Prom Committee refused to tell me where it was...
leflaw	Date: February 20, 2008 @ 2:23 AM My father died when I was 14, so you can well imagine my mind was on other things than high school. What got me through was music. I was the best rock and roller in the school ( IMHO). No marching band for me. I befriended a violent greaser who, like me, dug Henrix and the Lovin Spoonful ( I used to go up to Greenwich Village to hang out at the Cafe Wha). So I didn't have to worry about getting beat up. Then I got into Bluegrass and country and jazz and ..... Law School? Hey, gotta eat and stay out of the army...
zedsalt	Date: February 20, 2008 @ 3:29 AM "...90% of the world that use computers are on a decent if not super fast connection..." REALLY?!? (Yeah, sorry; I know you asked that we not quote you). I remember reading that by...can't remember if it was 2012 or 2022...half of the household internet connections in the U.S. would be fast enough to meet the definiton of "broadband". The sad thing for me is, I don't have much hope of being in that half unless I move out of one of the most densely-populated nonincorporated areas of the U.S. Twenty or thirty-some miles pretty much due north of where I'm sitting is a building that all but two of the U.S. intercontinental data transmission lines pass through. Comcast, Embarq, and Verizon have buried cable in my yard. And every ISP that I ask tells me that they just don't foresee a time when cable-based broadband will ever be available here. Even if they told me service was coming soon, I wouldn't get too excited. They told me we'd be able to get cable t.v. "in a year or two", and that was about 24 years and 4 months ago. We've had as many as two options for satellite broadband here. We could get DirecWay for $1079.40/yr. (provided we also purchase $359.40/yr.'s worth of T.V. from them) or WildBlue for $240/yr. less. We were all set to get the WildBlue, but then, they went into "an expansion moratorium of indeterminate length". Yeah, I know; I can reall only speak about one family's situation, but there are an awful lot more people in my boat than in the S.S. Broadband.
zedsalt	Date: February 20, 2008 @ 3:36 AM I should mention, too, that the satellite services I mentioned only offer about eight or nine times the speed of dial-up. I've read that most of the expanion of broadband infrastructure in recent years has occured in areas where traditional telephone service has never been available. If I want to stream music or watch an internet video, I should probably move somewhere where the houses all sit atop bamboo stilts, and one of the most common causes of death is happening upon a water buffalo in the tall reeds.
GeneHilbert	Date: February 20, 2008 @ 4:41 AM LOL
leflaw	Date: February 20, 2008 @ 4:49 AM Thast sounds like my house.
Distilled1	Date: February 20, 2008 @ 7:38 AM oh I know Zed and I get mad that here outside Chicago I only get T-1 10500K DL and 7500k up theres people in remote places in Japan that are running circles around that! yes I actually was going to do direct way (before DSL was close enough) and it was 109 a month for barley any more speed. I pay a whoping 19.95 now after a lot od shopping and fighting the middle man to get a direct DSL line. I wouldn't touch Cable unless I had to. and I know Marv (from the band) cant get any where he is 65 miles SW of Chicago in the stix like you he uses the cell phone! yep right into his laptop and gets wi-fi that way its not supper fast but videos and all work! (its part of his cell package web... I think he pays less for that than a land line phone a month!
Woof	Date: February 20, 2008 @ 11:15 AM I don't know if this is any help, Zed, but many, many years ago, when cable TV first came out, I couldn't wait to explore it... even though I don't live in a "Big City". I scheduled an appointment to meet with our Mayor for purposes of stressing the importance of this new medium (the meeting was surprisingly easy to schedule). Gave him my pitch, and within a year we had cable TV. That's not to say that my humble effort was what did it, you understand... but I doubt that it hurt our chances, either.
zedsalt	Date: February 21, 2008 @ 3:44 AM Not that I don't appreciate the sympathy, but my point was that if we want to be a site that people visit using their home computers, we need to learn from the mistakes of the ubernerd-oriented websites that have tried less dialup-friendly formats. Even with their constituencies who LIVE FOR the internet, all but a couple went back to fewer bells and whistles (all but the couple that folded entirely). Otherwise, I suppose, we could use it as an advertising hook. "DMusic- your worst work habit!" or "DMusic- play hooky without ever leaving school!"
zedsalt	Date: February 21, 2008 @ 3:53 AM Oh, and Dis', y'know, you're only paying $1.06/month more for DSL than we're paying for the dial-up service that connected at 4.4 kbps earlier this morning. Oh, I kept disconnecting and connecting until I got 41.2, but could you imagine the actual transfer rates if I hadn't? Let's keep DMusic available to the masses.
ChillinBuzz	Date: February 21, 2008 @ 3:59 AM "up to 8mbps" is the best our phone line-based providor can say. it's actually about half that speed connected and i'm less than 3km from an exchange. the ACTUAL speeds are not far over 40% of the supposed maximum... and the package costs just as much as a cable-provided one that can actually get double that speed. nearest city? 7 miles away... and half of that city doesn't have cable either... they would rather pay the shareholders than spend billions on a massive upgrade for their customers. but for a really weird way of looking at the "they have lines here but we can't get a connection" the main gas line from the North Sea runs through this area (it's a few miles away) and not a single house in the country around here has piped gas. go figure.
ChillinBuzz	Date: February 21, 2008 @ 4:00 AM ...single house in the countryside i meant to say. would be rather odd if nobody here had gas... of course, a few of my dinners would soon sort that problem out.
zedsalt	Date: February 21, 2008 @ 4:14 AM We're about a mile and a half from the nearest town, and we've had fiber optic cable running right up to our west wall for several years now. I'm pissed off, and I'm going to stay that way.
Distilled1	Date: February 21, 2008 @ 4:22 AM fiber optic is the way to go! go splice in Zed a little own of Minoka IL has Fiber in the country! yes to the farm houses! un real speeds! I feel your pain I remember fighting an upload for 12 hours on dial up and then getting disconected in the middle. of course DMusic needs to be able to run for all of us but somethings can be coded to not make you have to wait for them (video-pics) candy... can be a secondary thing after the page fully loads. hows the front page load for you when theres you tube stuff on it? how long? just curiosity.
ChillinBuzz	Date: February 21, 2008 @ 4:34 AM seems ok to me, though i have noticed over the months that some user pages used to freeze up or not load at all when they had invalid/unloadable webcams or other images on them... that's something that rarely happens though... but a nuisance when it does.
Woof	Date: February 21, 2008 @ 6:12 PM As long as the DM load time isn't slower than other current multimedia sites, I don't see a problem. Dial-up users would expect to wait a little for sites like SoundClick, YouTube, etc., to load. DM doesn't need to be a Flash site with a loading screen or anything... it's not like everyone wants an intruductory video when they land on the index page... I'm just talking about being able to use a custom .jpg or .gif as your site's header, add a background of your choice, set the color scheme, table transparencies and borders, and select a preferred font preference. That's not a heavy load for dialup to handle. At least, it's not heavier than anything else that people currently visit... especially if they're used to visiting multimedia sites.
Woof	Date: February 21, 2008 @ 6:14 PM PS. Just to clarify, I'm referring to user pages, not the DM index page.
Distilled1	Date: February 22, 2008 @ 1:58 AM "DM doesn't need to be a Flash site with a loading screen or anything... it's not like everyone wants an intruductory video when they land on the index page... I'm just talking about being able to use a custom .jpg or .gif as your site's header, add a background of your choice, set the color scheme, table transparencies and borders, and select a preferred font preference. That's not a heavy load for dialup to handle. At least, it's not heavier than anything else that people currently visit... especially if they're used to visiting multimedia sites." my sentiments exactly. skins would do that along with customization of skins and keep it safe as well. the embed obj (like a video or flash music player can be worked out in BBCode or withing a click (server side script) if a user so chose to embed stuff. I know if people go crazy then its a mess but in the web cam area we that use it (blog-tv) could embed exactly that (i think) and not draw users from the site. and that I think is the bottom line to keep users here not hoping over to you tube and getting lost there for days weeks months
ShadowMom	Date: February 22, 2008 @ 3:38 AM If you want to replace files, and you just can't wait, please read this first... Don't Make Me Google You - by ShadowMom You'll save us all a lot of work if you read this first. Mostly me. But that COUNTS, you know!
zedsalt	Date: February 22, 2008 @ 3:39 AM After I'd experienced the same heartbreak as Dis'...getting cut off during an agonizingly slow upload...but before our local library got broadband, Soundclick gave me a URL that would shut off the possibility of "timing out" when uploading there. Does DM have something similar? Just curious- my father starts to suffer EBay withdrawl if I use this 'puter for that long. When there's something on a page that uses a sh'load of bandwidth, most sites (including DM) are wise enough to make it the last thing that loads on the page, and I can view the rest of it, click through on links, etc. long before the bandwidth vampire fully loads. How long before it does? To quote the old Tootsieroll ads, "I don't know; I've never made it without biting".
zedsalt	Date: February 22, 2008 @ 3:48 AM Or was that your point, Dis'? That I shouldn't be concerned, as that sort of thing wouldn't delay...to the point of preventing...other use? Yeah, I could see that. So, would that come after we get things running properly and the new old files restored, or would it be more easily addressed during that process? Either way, getting things back and functional would make for a great excuse for some free advertising in the guise of an announcement. Just last p.m., a friend of mine asked, "DMusic?!? There's still a dmusic.com?!? I read that they were having a 'redesign' a long time ago, and you know that's netspeak for 'We're shutting down'."
Distilled1	Date: February 22, 2008 @ 4:26 AM yeah that it shouldn't effect dial up users any more than it does now.. unless of course it got like thse myspace pages (have you ever seen one 20 min on my 10000+kbs bandwidth! with shit all over them 50 videos flash stuff all over , java hearts and daisys falling m ouse changing to hello kitty you know what I mean LOL yeah if you can function here now skins etc shouldn't effect you at all maybe a little the first time you visit a page as your browser would need to cashe the stuff.
ChillinBuzz	Date: February 22, 2008 @ 7:23 AM I think the border/header/logo being part of the skin change would be pretty neat but will have to see what can be done. God help us if we let pages get anything remotely like MySpace... But there's the issue. Once we get background and font customisation, then YouTube and other site code insertion will be wanted, then people will want to arrange the sections of their pages differently, and so on... It'll end up just like MySpace. Not forgetting that non-subs will want more features too... I really wouldn't want to have to go through all that again, hearing people complain that they don't get enough from a free site... Go to MySpace if that's what you want in a site!
ChillinBuzz	Date: February 22, 2008 @ 7:24 AM My point. We aren't a social networking site first and foremost... And that has to be remembered.
Distilled1	Date: February 22, 2008 @ 7:27 AM I'd like to see where we could add our band logo up next to right of (side the dmusic logo wouldn't that be cool? or maybe the Name even in bold text larger. just things I have the css somewhere I just havent played with it.
ChillinBuzz	Date: February 22, 2008 @ 7:44 AM I have copies of the CSS too and it's not exactly a small list of settings, is it Rich? I'm thinking that skins are going to take quite a while to code and because it needs to be user customisable it's going to need a fair number extra database entries, which will make things pretty awkward for a bit... But still a damn sight better than letting people inject their own custom code, since we all know what happens then! Band logos next to DMusic logo... Nice thought... Until some numpty makes theirs far too big to fit properly, so it gets shrunk to size, then looks awful... Band complains. I stick my boot up their ass. I get told off. Fight ensues. All because of an oversized image. What do you think?
jack	Date: February 22, 2008 @ 11:09 PM The skins are already implemented, but the site crashed as I was about to launch the platform. At the moment they are for the whole site, but the code is there: they could easily be adjusted to skin artist pages. Watch this space.
miraclemaker	Date: February 23, 2008 @ 12:27 AM That all sounds nice - but dont you think working tracks and uploads should be the concern here. Ive seen signs of allot of people not being able to use any browser to upload a track. I cant imagine why uploading is not working - as ive seen some really lame sites that have working uploads Man.. I really hope this site doesnt turn into another myspace catastrophy where all you see is an onslaught of youtube, and glittering pimp my world images that crash your PC and turn it into a virus filled vegetable
RichLum	Date: February 23, 2008 @ 1:44 AM I can upload... but the tracks don't stream... They download OK. But streaming new or existing tracks gives an error I don't care if the skin stays the same as long as the music side of things works
jack	Date: February 23, 2008 @ 2:39 AM Yes, these are projects for after the basic functionality (uploading/streaming) is restored for everyone.
miraclemaker	Date: February 23, 2008 @ 2:43 AM Same here, I was able to upload with Opera - but when I went to test the track it wouldnt stream. Now it is added to my invisible tracks list :dissapointed:
MindSculpture	Date: February 23, 2008 @ 5:59 AM Just as miraclemaker is talking about a "virus filled vegetable"... every time I log on to Dmusic now I get some bloody malware alarm pop up that does not want to let me escape. What the hell is that all about??
Distilled1	Date: February 23, 2008 @ 6:40 AM MS when you get it ctrl-alt-del out of the window dont do anything else, its some damn ad server issue and google check that thread
miraclemaker	Date: February 23, 2008 @ 7:31 AM yep, the same thing happened to me a couple week ago, check the "Dmusics nasty new adware problem" thread. I was able to rid myself of that particular problem by deleting a certain active x update from my PC - as well as running AdAware 2007
Distilled1	Date: February 23, 2008 @ 7:40 AM I'm in the thread now working on another variant that is effecting FireFox as well PLEASE log any info on that thread. if you have it or think or any info you have I am trying to compile a useful help on this to post. and its not DMusics fault. its Google adsence and it will get you at any site that is hosting Google adsence... its listing as a low risk but what we are seeing I think its picking up and may be more than in the wild now
ChillinBuzz	Date: February 23, 2008 @ 8:32 AM I haven't seen the adware issue on this machine but I have almost every Google IP, ad and associated pile of poop banned... So I don't expect to. Since I will never poison or degrade Firefox by making it run any form of ActiveX, I don't expect issues related to that either. Very peculiar. Then again, I have a read-only HOSTS file jammed full of redirected addresses (127.0.0.1 - loopback - none of them are coming through and that's the way it's going to stay) and Adblock on Firefox. Not being funny but as much as I should view ads on free sites, my security will always come first. Period.
Distilled1	Date: February 23, 2008 @ 8:41 AM you know I don't know if I have any Active X on my main box but again Im pretty good with this one like I said 2 years. nada.. the others 4 kids are on god knows what crap they go to and accept
DeadraveN	Date: February 24, 2008 @ 4:35 AM I've been gone for a while here.. so what? was there some kind of bug or something? is everything ok? (yes.. I'm joking)
ChillinBuzz	Date: February 24, 2008 @ 4:43 AM big bugs, 20 feet long, eat humans and ravens for breakfast!
Distilled1	Date: February 24, 2008 @ 4:44 AM
NosmoKing	Date: February 25, 2008 @ 3:12 AM I hate to get off topic but what is the status of dmusic as we have not heard anything for nearly a week! Thank you
zedsalt	Date: February 25, 2008 @ 4:22 AM Only about a week? Seems longer... This a.m., what's not functioning for me is the "DMusic's nasty new adware problem" thread. The third or fourth time I tried to open it, I gave it a little time by going out to the kitchen and washing an electric skillet, then I fed the cats, then I walked down my 100 yard lane to get the mail and the newspaper...after all that, I checked on the progress of the page opening and saw that my upstream was going way, way faster than my downstream. I think I'll run a couple of security processes after I log off today...
Distilled1	Date: February 25, 2008 @ 5:00 AM Zed me too. and heres the kicker... I run my lap top all night on my user page so if I wake up its on the bedside table (yes I'm an addict) I can check the radio stream see if anyones talking etc. I cleaned the trojan off the other day as noted in the thread (that wont open) and then did the unthinkable did some reg edit removed the google ad server thing from the HOSt files (that was fun well guess what on my lap top I get logged off a lot (don't know why maybe I have clear cookies and stuff avery day set somehoe... well its back on this morning as son as I went from my user page to dmusic.com (home page) from the logo link. this tells me anyone that is a non subscriber is 80% or better getting this trojan LefLaw have Jack kill all the ads all of them until Google and biz sence are willing to pay you for each complaint of this Trojan its going to run business away/ I don't get it on the main computer but I do on the one that I am not always logged on, it only effects the Home page of DMusic (note my user page is the bookmark) last time it only effected the community page. Please get that thread open so we may continue to report attacks with all info possible as well as help each other. out of it. this is a low risk trojan but a damn pain in the ass one.
Woof	Date: February 25, 2008 @ 8:17 AM I did manage to open that thread yesterday. It looks like the Image Resize feature here on this BBS is not working at the moment, and I'm willing to bet that's where the problem lies. I posted full size screenshots for diagnostic purposes, and when the thread finally did open up, they appeared full size, bending the whole thread out of proportion. I suspect that the BBS code is taking the extra time trying to resize the images, and failing.
Distilled1	Date: February 25, 2008 @ 8:37 AM yep thats it
Woof	Date: February 25, 2008 @ 8:52 AM Yeah... Ypu can try any thread that has images posted in it, and they all load slow... As for the popups, one thing that I wanted to mention as well, is that when I'd land on the index page, the popup would not appear until the index page had finished loading completely. After that, there'd be a couple seconds of lag time, and then the popup would happen. This would explain why people are getting it on other pages... It seems to be triggered by the index page, but by the time everything loads, users may very well have moved on to another page on the site (their personal page, the forum, etc.) or be trying to log in. For what it's worth, when I looked at the source code for the DM index page, I noticed that, like a lot of sites, DM uses a small .js file that launches there. Could there be a security leak there? The reason I'm thinking that, is the lag time. It would take just about exactly that long for the Java to load.
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: February 25, 2008 @ 12:18 PM the adware thread won't open, nor will the Goth thread and certain DM users on my buddy list can't be accessed either, but things are better than they have been for a while, so hopefully this trend will continue until we approach something approaching 'normal' operation.
ChillinBuzz	Date: February 25, 2008 @ 1:42 PM I was having problems opening that thread earlier. I dunno about the Goth thread and certain DM users (although I had a long delay with one user's page earlier, just the once though) but I'm starting to wonder if it's what I touched on earlier, in that images failing to open (either from slow speeds or inaccessible sites) are causing this. I saw this happen a few times a while back, rhthesinner's page became totally inaccessible when an image from lastfm wouldn't open and caused his page to freeze. Is there a way the page could still open and if images don't open within a certain timeframe, they just show up as placeholders?
RichLum	Date: February 25, 2008 @ 3:35 PM I just checked my songs that weren't streaming a few days ago and they are streaming now!!! Woohooo!!! (Checked 5 songs so far and all worked)
rolar3	Date: February 25, 2008 @ 4:12 PM Fill us in Jack....Surely you know something from all the tests you are running....again I say this in a good mood with light humor....I am finally in control with my multiple personalties. This is MY body they all live in. I keep telling myself that anyway.
rolar3	Date: February 25, 2008 @ 4:15 PM The people in my brain are as follows: (me) Mice elf (he is mean and controlling and makes me do bad stuff) and Eye...he is intreverted but so talented. He taught (me) everything I know.
rolar3	Date: February 25, 2008 @ 4:16 PM ...help...
miraclemaker	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 12:00 AM Is there any possible way of knowing just how long this is outage will last? seems no browser works for me to upload

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