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rolar3	Date: February 25, 2008 @ 4:16 PM ...help...
miraclemaker	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 12:00 AM Is there any possible way of knowing just how long this is outage will last? seems no browser works for me to upload
leflaw	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 5:03 AM
Distilled1	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 5:04 AM uh oh!
leflaw	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 5:04 AM test
leflaw	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 5:04 AM wrtshwr4thwrth53t6h356
leflaw	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 5:05 AM Hmmmoiug;iu 65uu4b65u456n8m67i87i
ShadowMom	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 5:25 AM Are you speaking in tongues, leflaw?
Distilled1	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 5:32 AM Hes getting the out of DMusic
BOWILLIE	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 5:33 AM hes speaking rokatie
Distilled1	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 6:02 AM forum cost$$$$$2.352.1584.28
ChillinBuzz	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 7:12 AM A way to diagnose this issue with miraclemaker is in his shoutbox. If anyone here is having no issues with uploading then could they try uploading a couple of the tracks he can't upload to determine where the problem lies?
Distilled1	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 8:53 AM transferring data from www.google-analytics.com running on every page I goto I dont like that!!!! down in the task bar... screw Google and there ad ware! it cant load on this machine but its trying non stop... I thought Jack killed that as its serving the ad pop up crap?
Distilled1	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 8:58 AM yes I will upload for Miricle maker need the files and we can see I bet I can get them up
ChillinBuzz	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 9:41 AM i couldn't see this page, i had to change the link in the address bar to "-300" as there was no page link... i have a feeling that's what happened to the boss too.
Woof	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 10:37 AM If the ads are being served up by Google, how come I can visit dozens of other sites that have Google Sponsored Ads on them, without a problem?
Distilled1	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 12:00 PM its in the other thread woof. Google is aware of it its how they choose etc. I just want to know why its trying to transfer data non stop on every page (in Fire Fox) as well as some of th images.dmusic.com oh nad yeah I was using the 300 too
Woof	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 12:32 PM Here's the info on Urchin Tracker/Google Analytics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Analytics It's a pretty common tracking tool used by commercial sites to report usage statistics, which the site can provide to prospective advertisers to help target ads. In and of itself, it's perhaps a little more of an invasion of privacy than many people would like, but it's benign. A lot of sites use it, and I don't believe it's caused any harm. As for the Google Theory, I'm pretty sure that, if this was the cause of the problem, it wouldn't just be targeting DMusic, as mentioned earlier. My guess is that the DM code was either altered or scrambled during the process of transferring the site to the new servers. That would coincide with when the ads first started to appear. Could be a security hole, extra code that was inserted (as mentioned, I've had this happen to me), or a corrupt script. To help illustrate this, let me explain my own experience with this again. I believe that server providers pay very close attention to which sites are ripe for the picking. When I left my own site alone for a couple of months, I believe that someone noticed that I wasn't paying a lot of attention to it, and added extra code to trigger a redirect. They probably figured I wouldn't notice. Point is, on occasion, service providers do that (I guess). And if DM is hiring out these web hosting services, it's the service provider's role to assist in troubleshooting problems like this. What I'm doing here, is providing a list of symptoms to help narrow the cause of the problems. I'm not expecting personal solutions. I'd simply like Jack and whoever else is working on this, to have as much information as necessary, so that the source of the problem can be tracked using the process of elimination. And if DM is indeed paying for an outside service provider to host the site now, I'd heartily suggest calling them, and blaming them, for this problem. Their job is to provide secure and smooth transfer of the site, and it looks like something messed up along the way.
Distilled1	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 12:37 PM New Google Trojan Software Swaps Google Ads for Malware Courtesy of Information Week BitDefender says new attack replaces Google AdSense text ads with ads from a different, potentially malicious provider DECEMBER 19, 2007 \| New Trojan software has been found picking the pockets of Google (NSDQ: GOOG - message board) and its publishing partners, and potentially exposing Web surfers to more malware. BitDefender, a software security company based in Bucharest, Romania, on Tuesday said that it had detected a new Trojan (Trojan.Qhost.WU) that replaces Google AdSense text ads with ads from a different, potentially malicious provider. "This is a serious situation that damages users and Webmasters alike," said Attila-Mihaly Balazs, a BitDefender virus analyst, in a statement. "Users are affected because the advertisements and/or the linked sites may contain malicious code, which is a very likely situation, given that they are promoted using malware in the first place. Webmasters are affected because the Trojan takes away viewers and thus a possible money source from their Web sites." Google said in an e-mailed statement that it is "committed to ensuring the safety and security of our users and our advertisers. We actively work to detect and remove sites that serve malware in both our ad network and in our search results. We have manual and automated processes in place to detect and enforce these policies. We have canceled customer accounts that display ads re-directing users to malicious sites or that advertise a product violating our software principles." The Trojan works by modifying the Hosts file on victims' computers. The Hosts file contains IP address and domain name data used to find resources on a network. By altering the Hosts file to redirect "page2.googlesyndication.com" to an IP address not affiliated with Google, the Trojan directs infected machines to load ads from an unauthorized server. Over the past few years, advertising has come to look more and more like a security risk, a development that no doubt has helped to pique Google's interest in security. Some 80% of malicious code online comes from online ads, according to the Q1 2007 Web Trends Security Report published by Finjan, a computer security company. In the past few days, Danish media company sites have been observed inadvertently serving ads containing malicious content. In November, DoubleClick was serving ads that installed Trojan software. In October, RealPlayer software was exploited through malware embedded in advertisements served by 247realmedia.com. The issue, as Sun Belt Software CEO Alex Eckelberry described it last month, is that ad networks accept new clients without checking up on them. "This is not a trivial problem," he said in a blog post, "and the most important thing for publishers to do is to be extremely careful when accepting new advertisers (and be wary of tricks these people use, like giving fake references), and then keep a close eye on the advertising as it's running (and hopefully some good tools can be developed for publishers to use to check the content of ads for malicious redirects before posting)."
Distilled1	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 12:40 PM And yes its not really Google just the ad scence... its gotten in here some how and Jack is aware it is ... it may be gone now I havent goten it again on the test computer... but those that have it may not know it. and I have gotten similar as well at other sites before but not this instance of trojan.ghost
Distilled1	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 12:53 PM Thanks Woof for that tracker bit I knew it was something like that and that it was .js just hate when things like that are going bonkers as it could make a non benign script nasty at least in theory ...
Woof	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 1:06 PM Well, my point was, and still is, that until such time as the DM team comes forward and says: "Yes! We've found the problem! It was ____ ! And it's been fixed!", we're all just speculating. I'd rather look at what symptoms we're getting, and log them as they appear on my, or someone else's machine. I'm not 100% sure what the problem is yet. But I am sure of the symptoms.
Distilled1	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 1:17 PM Jack did come forward and say that was it .. we need to get everyone that has had the issue to run bit defender free version and clean it and see if it fixes it thats the hard part.. Like I said since I ran that I cant get it again and the google ads are off the site now.. for the time being.. yes we need to log all I still am trying to get a page started with it to get all info needed .. and info to help those that got it or are getting it. Yours was diffrent than what I got though same type but diffrent trojan
Woof	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 4:33 PM I do remember reading that Jack pulled all Google Advertising off of the site, in an effort to resolve the problem. I did see that post. After that, a couple more people mentioned that they were getting the popups, though. I believe that the last response to that was (understandably so): "Oh, bugger..."
miraclemaker	Date: February 26, 2008 @ 7:29 PM UPDATE I have solved my problem and once again ny page is working great! it seems that IE7 and WMP were not able to be used. To upload successfully I used opera, and for hifi streaming WinAmp. Thanks to Jack,VKitty,Shadowmom, Nosmoking,Chillinbuzz, and Distilled1 for their suggestions and support
mudshadow	Date: February 27, 2008 @ 2:01 AM I bought Bitdefender last year. When it failed to remove a trojan, customer support ceased responding to my emails. I do not reccommend it at all. What Bitdefender couldn't remove, this "free-for-thrty-days" aplication removed lickity-split! http://www.simplysup.com/
mudshadow	Date: February 27, 2008 @ 2:03 AM I bought Bitdefender last year. When it failed to remove a trojan, customer support simply ceased responding to my emails. I do not recommend it at all. What Bitdefender couldn't remove, this "free-for-thirty-days" application removed right away. http://www.simplysup.com/
trombone11	Date: February 27, 2008 @ 2:22 AM im using the free version.. i have norton its blocking it,,,mzczfee is letting it by counterspy lets it by as doed sd adaware I just know that the free version cleans it and hasent come back ...hence i am on the test with my sons non sub account..
NosmoKing	Date: February 27, 2008 @ 3:23 AM On 26th Feb 2012, miraclemaker said: UPDATE I have solved my problem and once again ny page is working great! it seems that IE7 and WMP were not able to be used. To upload successfully I used opera, and for hifi streaming WinAmp. Thanks to Jack,VKitty,Shadowmom, Nosmoking,Chillinbuzz, and Distilled1 for their suggestions and support Glad your up and running but clearly the problems of the site regarding streaming and uploading are not solved! There has still been no official update on this thread.. only bug reports!
Israfel	Date: February 27, 2008 @ 3:26 AM Wow...that's all I can say. I agree nosmoking... we need info. And although all the fix tips have been helpful, surely making everyone change browsers, download free programs and, in general, do some voodoo cannot be the answer to this problem. All good suggestions but if the problem is here at DM - then why would I go through all that if this is ONLY place the problem exists? Don't get me wrong. I love this site. But at this point, this is verging on the ridiculous.
ChillinBuzz	Date: February 27, 2008 @ 12:43 PM We want... information... information... information... (You have to be a fan of The Prisoner to understand that) Ok, some info. Issy loves pole dancing. Moam loves headless chickens. YaBoyDrew's ass hurts, even after nearly 3 years. Bowillie's artwork is getting worse. Google wants to rape your computer. ShadowMom has a thing for men in uniform. Gary Tucker could kick Chuck Norris' butt any day. Distilled smokes crack. His missus is still recovering. There you go.
Distilled1	Date: February 27, 2008 @ 12:44 PM I don't like Crack! I like Bennies!
mojo121music	Date: February 27, 2008 @ 12:45 PM I uploaded a track today with IE7, and it is streaming Unable to attach a license to the track, but I'm sure that will get worked out as well
ChillinBuzz	Date: February 27, 2008 @ 12:46 PM Rich, I think you missed the intended meaning of "crack"...
Woof	Date: February 27, 2008 @ 1:54 PM Those halcyon days of full functionality Fade into the shadows, now a distant memory...
Distilled1	Date: February 27, 2008 @ 2:10 PM LOL I ge4t it
ChillinBuzz	Date: February 27, 2008 @ 2:16 PM Do you get it? get it?
BOWILLIE	Date: February 27, 2008 @ 3:41 PM hey..buzz actually called it art this time..thats an improvement
hate9wicket	Date: February 27, 2008 @ 5:02 PM no adware problems for me, no pop ups... just can't stream older stuff by some artists currently... oh btw I'm on Safari. no major headaches, and I am extremely patient. Humpty Dumpty DMusic will be put back together again, in time.... I'm not going anywhere, neither should YOU (as in all'y'all) Wait for it!
hate9wicket	Date: February 27, 2008 @ 5:04 PM D'oh, I guess I can't preview posts, just yet. run away! Run away!
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: February 27, 2008 @ 5:14 PM You're not likely to get these adware problems on a Mac, with such a small market share it's not worth the virus and trojan writer's time programming a whole bunch of malicious code for a minority user group - this sounds like a putdown but really, it's great for Mac users. Probably best that mac doesn;t suddenly go viral and become the new IBM PC and dent windows PC sales massively because if that should happen, then you will be getting familiar with the security woes of PC users !! This is now why Firefox is starting to have more security holes too - now put a big dent in IE usage and is arouns 15-18% of the browser market, the hackers and virus and spyware writers are starting to take extra time to write code that affects it too (although the fact that it does not use Active X will always make it a safer browser)
miraclemaker	Date: February 28, 2008 @ 12:16 AM Yes I know the site needs more work, I was merely saying thanks for aleast showing me how I can have my songs back up and such. In no way did I say OK everythings fixed here ... :rollingeyes:
ChillinBuzz	Date: February 28, 2008 @ 2:49 AM On 27th Feb 2012, BOWILLIE said: hey..buzz actually called it art this time..thats an improvement But don't give up your day job just yet, Bo
zedsalt	Date: February 28, 2008 @ 3:59 AM Oh, great. Now the jukebox in my head is going back and forth between "Crack and Bennies" (to the tune of the song they used for the theme of "Married...with Children") and Iron Maiden's "The Prisoner" (which started with an intro grabbed from the t.v. show).
vzeye	Date: March 1, 2008 @ 5:54 AM How's everything now?
ShadowMom	Date: March 1, 2008 @ 5:56 AM SNAFU... and I wasn't here...
Woof	Date: March 1, 2008 @ 6:24 AM Is there any way of finding out what is being worked on at the moment? I'm just asking, because I'm sure that there are people out there who will be building laundry lists of fixes they'd want to see, while they assume that certain features which aren't quite 100% yet are okay now, and not still in the process of being remedied... For example, yesterday we were talking about the fact that some people are still having file upload problems. Someone who isn't experiencing difficulty in that area might assume that this function is working for everyone, and ask for aesthetic improvements. I haven't had the adware problem here for a week now. I think it might be gone... but maybe that's what the programmers are spending time on. Just because it hasn't happened to me, doesn't mean it's resolved. Point is, I think that a status report would really help people gauge what kinds of improvements to write about and ask for.
GeneHilbert	Date: March 1, 2008 @ 10:31 AM On 1st Mar 2012, GeneHilbert said: Lack of punctual communications and factual information. But I won't mention a name...... I'm reposting this here because this seems to be symptomatic of the problem. I believe there is a feeling of apathy at work here. Whether this is in part to work load and being overwhelmed, or just being in over their heads and/or not giving a shit. No one is perfect and I expect everyone here has had at times technical issues that have been over your heads. I'm a musician first - I'm not a tech guy. I can do simple stuff but require the expertise of people with a more advanced knowledge for extreme issues. That is why purchase products from this site. You have them to offer, and I thought the expertise to support them. Now I can forgive people for being ignorant of certain issues - Lord knows there are areas in which I am severely lacking in expertise. But one thing I can not overlook is the lack of communications and the sheer disregard for professional conduct and etiquette. Remember the cliché "The customer is always right". That doesn't mean they are always factually correct, but it does mean they have issues that require your attention to correct, and failure to do so means they might not remain your customers if you don't. Respect will take you a long way – lack of it is the fast track to nowhere.
vzeye	Date: March 1, 2008 @ 10:38 AM Yes, we certainly don't want this to become a third world music site!
Woof	Date: March 1, 2008 @ 11:32 AM I've just checked, and the domains fasttracktonowhere.com and thirdworldtunes.com are both available for registration...
Rodrica	Date: March 2, 2008 @ 12:24 AM Can someone just confirm which parts of the artist/user file manager system are supposed to be working? I'm reluctant to waste time trying to upload or alter stuff if the site isn't responding properly. So far I've found that I can't change things: i.e. the "options" on whether my music page shows overview or music - it's currently stuck on music and won't change. Can we have an updated list of what is either working or not working? Otherwise the forums are going to be full of duplicated complaints and problems. It's not workable having to wade through pages of forum posts in order to understand what's happening. Thanks.
Rodrica	Date: March 2, 2008 @ 1:33 AM Actually...forget it. I'm pulling off this site. I've been on site for about 2 hours without a problem, then suddenly when I tried to stream a Marshal Palmer song I had an encounter with a potentially serious virus: http://scanner2.malware-scan.com tried to take over my computer. Luckily I'm on a mac and everything closed down and prevented any damage...as far as I can tell. But I'm NOT willing to risk expensive or serious damage to my computer. And it's not the first time it's happened to me here. Somebody please let me know if you ever get this mess fixed and I'll be happy to return. In the meantime I've had more then enough of this This is only one of the many reasons why I stopped subscribing. I've tried to weather this current storm, but after this, I'm out of here.
zedsalt	Date: March 2, 2008 @ 3:16 AM "Is there any way of finding out what is being worked on at the moment?" Can there really be any doubt that this should be "front page news"? Hell, that should be EVERY page news! Falling short of that is fairly and accurately described as "sheer disregard for professional conduct and etiquette", and inevitably the cause of the kind of talents who give this site reason to exist being driven to say things like, "Actually...forget it. I'm pulling off this site". Yeah, I'm well aware that I'm just repeating everyone else's sentiments, but I'm also aware that it can be easy to ignore the obvious at times. If anyone who has a say in how this site operates is reading this, please, stop ignoring the obvious and post some difficult-to-ignore notice of the state of the site, preferably with a link to a regularly-updated report on any progress made in addressing the problems. Please.
Israfel	Date: March 2, 2008 @ 4:24 AM YES!
Israfel	Date: March 2, 2008 @ 4:33 AM I guess I should say more...but it's true...we need updates. And it can't be that hard to do it so that makes us feel that it's just being ignored. We are trying to hang in here, you know. We are trying to be good little soldiers and keep on a good game face but when we hear nothing it's easy to assume that nothing is happening. And that just makes us frustrated and angry. And Gene's right too. We pay for this (those of us who subscribe) so we should be entitled to know what's happening even if it is that nothing that has been tried is working...just so we know. I can't think of anyplace else where customers would put up with this kind of silence and indifference. Having said that, I will also say, I happen to like this site very much. Something keeps bringing me back regardless but even for me...this has gone beyond the ridiculous. Just tell us what's happening! Please!
Woof	Date: March 2, 2008 @ 12:50 PM FEEL like we're being ignored? No... We ARE being ignored. My heart goes out to ShadowMom and RH for taking up as much slack as possible, and doing their best to keep morale up. So let's see... I'm over 20, so MySpace is out... I'm not in an actual band, so PureVolume won't really work for me... I'm not into BSP, so that leaves SoundClick out... I'm thinking YouTube. Now where'd I put that iLink cable? Yes I'm having a tantrum. And no, I'm far from saying that it ain't worth it. But I've got a bad feeling about this... no doubt.
Distilled1	Date: March 2, 2008 @ 1:51 PM thesixtyone.com is looking better and bettr,,,, it wouldn't take much to post o news on the sront page that also imrditly post in the top header of all pages "site issues and where we are at, and what you can do to help" please post this that to help desk.... I have offered numerous times to help de bug and get do you want to and i answer yes then nothing,,, heck even giving me the chore of keeping up to date status reports...but how when the actual admins dont even know ive been playing around other places as it just depresses me to be heremoving m ystudio I may have radio up this week ..i don't know for sure i filled a 13'x15' room full from a 8x10! now to fit it all again and re wire and set and clean and archive the 4 years of musical mess and pack raattery!
Israfel	Date: March 2, 2008 @ 3:54 PM Jeebus...9:45pm on a Sunday night and I'm the only one here. Doesn't that tell you something????
Woof	Date: March 2, 2008 @ 4:05 PM "We are currently performing maintenence on the site. For a list of known bugs, please click here: [insert link to forum post]. We hope to be running 100% again shortly." That, and a couple of sentences from Larry OR Jack once a day in this thread, would help loads. Two sentences. That's all it would take. Daily.
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 3, 2008 @ 12:26 AM On 2nd Mar 2012, Israfel said: Jeebus...9:45pm on a Sunday night and I'm the only one here. Doesn't that tell you something???? We've had times when there's been nobody here... But rare times they were until lately. I'm assuming by now that the ads have been removed (again?) so if anyone sees them or gets this malware issue popping up again, you are best checking your system. If you have and it's still popping up, invest in more spyware/malware/virus tools. Some of those I use are listed below: Spybot S&D 1.5 Ad-Aware 2007 Free TrendMicro Sysclean (runs as standalone app) AVG Anti-Virus Free AVG Anti-Rootkit Sophos Anti-Rootkit Adblock for Firefox Flashblock for Firefox PeerGuardian 2 8 years ago a firewall and Norton AV was all you needed... But things never stand still in the PC world so neither should you. Complaining about site security issues is one right thing, the other right thing is to maximise and regularly check your PC security. If it can happen here...
trombone11	Date: March 3, 2008 @ 2:49 AM pybot is not finding it (recent update adaware isnot finding it (no more updates AVG is blocking it Norton is blocking it Macafee 08 updated ( is not stoping or finding it) bit defender is blocking/finding and cleaning it ) peer Gaurdian is blocking it (if http is on) those are from my test in 4 machines andgetting it on purpose
tracy	Date: March 3, 2008 @ 4:08 AM try again--- is it gone now? attempting to troubleshoot
Distilled1	Date: March 3, 2008 @ 4:11 AM will do ... i see the biz adds are gone so let me see if i can get it opening up for test
Distilled1	Date: March 3, 2008 @ 4:16 AM seems to be .. ii cant get it and have all safety turned off and tried un logged and on non sub trombone (the kids) if someone has it though they need to clean it or even if we have the trojan gone its on the machines being used. follow my directions in the maleware forum post!
farfor44	Date: March 3, 2008 @ 5:00 AM Be aware of the restrictatrons who want to take over the web and profit from the things they are not profiting from at the present time. and those who think they dont intend to do that are sadly mistaken they have the funds and the hackers. what can we do??I don't know.
ebarbarella	Date: March 3, 2008 @ 8:33 AM it looks like nothing is fixed yet one of our songs is still invisible and i cant upload or manage anything ... we miss DMusic very much for the recovery of our beloved site
Distilled1	Date: March 3, 2008 @ 8:51 AM barbie clear cashe and cookies you can re upload (change the song file if not send a help desk ticket and be firm! ie6 is still having issues Fire Fox is going ok for most or Opera and send tix in to help desk and bomb Jacks shoutbox cause yeah its sad hu still issues after well going on 3 months!
vzeye	Date: March 3, 2008 @ 12:08 PM Third world music site?
Woof	Date: March 3, 2008 @ 12:47 PM Nice one!
farfor44	Date: March 3, 2008 @ 2:41 PM Lee You have a way of spelling it out~
ShadowMom	Date: March 3, 2008 @ 4:07 PM I am NOT doing the bicycle thing, not EVEN for DMusic!
GeneHilbert	Date: March 3, 2008 @ 6:19 PM On 3rd Mar 2012, vzeye said: Third world music site? I know this guy......... He works for Bell South......
Distilled1	Date: March 3, 2008 @ 6:36 PM he works for AT&T and Dell too!
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 3, 2008 @ 8:11 PM On 3rd Mar 2012, Distilled1 said: barbie clear cashe and cookies you can re upload (change the song file if not send a help desk ticket and be firm! ie6 is still having issues Fire Fox is going ok for most or Opera and send tix in to help desk and bomb Jacks shoutbox cause yeah its sad hu still issues after well going on 3 months! Rich, you have got to stop posting when you're blind stinking drunk!
independentm...	Date: March 3, 2008 @ 10:31 PM Folks, Please do NOT make me go say this on the front page. (It belongs here between US!) (Oh yes, I'm talking to YOU, the die hard & REGULARLY USING MEMBERS of this site who have been here a while!) DMusic (...and by that I mean Larry "leflaw" Feldman) - he has NOT given us any sort of bad deal over the years. I mean, think about it honesty. Has he? (Sure, those who paid and/or STILL pay a subscription fee to this site certainly have the most rightful/biggest gripe because of these outages and serious flaws lately ...and, Larry says he INTENDS to do right by you on that front) BUT DAMNIT... If you have been reading the forums AND have been paying attention in the forums and other crap, YOU CAN TELL that he (therefore DMusic itself) has been suffering lately. This grueling "change-over" these past couple of months has been (and still not %100 done yet as far as I can tell) has been HELL on him and the "team" of admin. I, myself don't get talk to Larry but on the phone maybe every once in a while... So I, myself don't get to pretend to speak for him or anything. But I know and trust him enough to know we are not being "bam-boozled" or anything of the sort. ----- Service of/to the DMusic artist kinda SUX right now, I know. I'm not telling all of you NOT to go start your OWN damn website specifically tailored to your OWN band/act's needs... (Uh... Wait! Strike that! I have been hinting that for more than 7 years with all the "DIY" shyte I espouse/expound...) LOL ...naw, what I am saying is that we here at DMusic (includes: owners, admin, artists, fans, ALL of us) are FOREMOST a "community" ...Larry/leflaw has tried to give us those tools WITHOUT dipping hands into our pocket (well, like I said above, SUBSCRIBERS have a GRIPE to SORTA feel otherwise IMHO) You pretty much can't really GET that/this anywhere else ...and he has SPENT much more money on this site than he has ever made. YOU ARE NOT GETTING RIPPED OFF BY SUPPORTING THIS SITE WITH YOUR MUSIC/NOR HAVE YOU BEEN "HAD" You STILL own your copyrights. You GOT publicity and free digital storage of your tunes on somebody's server. You MADE friends with a ton of other musicians and fellows in the craft. -------- You can pull out now if you want. Nobody's stopping you. But I trust things are about to get a whole lot better around here. -------- Stick with it and see.
independentm...	Date: March 3, 2008 @ 10:41 PM Folks, Please do NOT make me go say this on the front page. (It belongs here between US!) (Oh yes, I'm talking to YOU, the die hard & REGULARLY USING MEMBERS of this site who have been here a while!) DMusic (...and by that I mean Larry "leflaw" Feldman) - he has NOT given us any sort of bad deal over the years. I mean, think about it honesty. Has he? (Sure, those who paid and/or STILL pay a subscription fee to this site certainly have the most rightful/biggest gripe because of these outages and serious flaws lately ...and, Larry says he INTENDS to do right by you on that front) BUT DAMNIT... If you have been reading the forums AND have been paying attention in the forums and other crap, YOU CAN TELL that he (therefore DMusic itself) has been suffering lately. This grueling "change-over" these past couple of months has been (and still not %100 done yet as far as I can tell) has been HELL on him and the "team" of admin. I, myself don't get talk to Larry but on the phone maybe every once in a while... So I, myself don't get to pretend to speak for him or anything. But I know and trust him enough to know we are not being "bam-boozled" or anything of the sort. ----- Service of/to the DMusic artist kinda SUX right now, I know. I'm not telling all of you NOT to go start your OWN damn website specifically tailored to your OWN band/act's needs... (Uh... Wait! Strike that! I have been hinting that for more than 7 years with all the "DIY" shyte I espouse/expound...) LOL ...naw, what I am saying is that we here at DMusic (includes: owners, admin, artists, fans, ALL of us) are FOREMOST a "community" ...Larry/leflaw has tried to give us those tools WITHOUT dipping hands into our pocket (well, like I said above, SUBSCRIBERS have a GRIPE to SORTA feel otherwise IMHO) You pretty much can't really GET that/this anywhere else ...and he has SPENT much more money on this site than he has ever made. YOU ARE NOT GETTING RIPPED OFF BY SUPPORTING THIS SITE WITH YOUR MUSIC/NOR HAVE YOU BEEN "HAD" You STILL own your copyrights. You GOT publicity and free digital storage of your tunes on somebody's server. You MADE friends with a ton of other musicians and fellows in the craft. -------- You can pull out now if you want. Nobody's stopping you. But I trust things are about to get a whole lot better around here. -------- Stick with it and see.
independentm...	Date: March 3, 2008 @ 11:07 PM Oh, BTW MY site (which I actually totally own and operate with my band) http://electricgypsy.info YOU SHOULD ALL have something like this of your own... JUST a simple "bare bones" TOTALLY controlled BY YOU site. (Learn just a LITTLE basic html and get you a free account somewhere.) THEN USE DMusic, MySpace, YouTube, SoundClick, GarageBand, CdBaby, iTunes, etc. etc. for ALL they CAN give you. ...but PLEASE "don't complain too much" (well actually, complaints are A-OK at DMusic) ...don't "complain" too much if what you have GOTTEN for free doesn't always "match-up" to what another service provides at a huge cost.
independentm...	Date: March 3, 2008 @ 11:10 PM Larry/leflaw NEVER promised us ANYTHING other than a place to park our music and to network with each other. (I certainly WANT him to start getting into PROMOTING our ass, especially since we have SO MUCH here!) ...but, I dunno, I'm running out of steam with writing words ...I just wanna hear some music now.
independentm...	Date: March 3, 2008 @ 11:11 PM Rant done. (for now)
ShadowMom	Date: March 4, 2008 @ 4:39 AM Because I know some of you don't haunt the front pages of DMusic, this is for you. I can't make it any easier. A note from DMusic's CTO
GeneHilbert	Date: March 4, 2008 @ 5:26 AM Yep.......
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 4, 2008 @ 7:46 AM Christ, Shmoo you're worse than me for multiple postings.
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 4, 2008 @ 7:46 AM Can't you just say it
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 4, 2008 @ 7:47 AM in one go and be done
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 4, 2008 @ 7:47 AM with it?
NosmoKing	Date: March 4, 2008 @ 8:02 AM Who double posted?
NosmoKing	Date: March 4, 2008 @ 8:02 AM Who double posted?
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 4, 2008 @ 8:31 AM you did... er... you did... so did he... ... and me. hee hee.
Woof	Date: March 4, 2008 @ 9:30 AM Interesting rant, independent. I enjoyed reading it. I do have to say, though, that you're rebutting arguments that don't exist. I've been following the posts on this forum since the beginning of the recovery, and I haven't found anything here that accuses leflaw (Larry) of "pulling a fast one". When subscribers were concerned whether they would be compensated for downtime suffered during the outage, Jack assured them that they would be... one way or another. Case closed. Nobody ever accused Larry of excessive profiting off of us. Furthermore, there has been an outpouring of support and empathy for this current dilemma ever since the recovery began. The fact that a good number of faithful users are logging in daily and offering help and support stands as testament to that. It's understood that this has been a stressful time for all of us. People express stress in different ways. Sometimes, that's conveyed through an emotional outburst, sometimes it's conveyed by humor. And the fact that the artists here took the time and effort to post their feelings shows that they're still invested in being involved. It's frustrating. And because it is, people will occasionally vent. This shouldn't be interpreted as an attack on leflaw, or DMusic's integrity. People are worried, and looking for signs of hope. They're looking for something to keep them going. And I don't think it's unreasonable to exchange those feelings with other members of the community. We are attempting to pull together as a community, even in frustration. The worst that any of us that are still here can be accused of, is bad writing. Well... we're not editors for the New York Times, so some efforts are going to be a little amateurish. The people who really were fed up left. That's the thing to do when you're fed up. You don't spend hours typing your thoughts. Right now, there are troubles at DM. You've said so yourself. When a company's in trouble, and the CEO is unavailable for comment, people get worried. That's what we're seeing. Nobody's even hinting that there's some kind of impropriety going on. So I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't accuse us of that. It's not true. There are indeed plenty of free OMD services for independent artists out there. It's also untrue to allude to the fact that DM is the only site providing this. Revenues come from subscriptions and advertisements, which is how the services can be provided to users for free. Nonetheless, with any number of alternatives available to us, we're still here. That should tell you something. We get testy sometimes... we get unsettled. And yes, we voice opinions. It's not because we suspect foul play. It's because we love being here. Please at least try to understand that. We've all been upset since that fateful day back at the end of December. If we're gonna go through hell, though, I feel that it would be easier on all of us, if we had a feeling that we are going through it together.
GeneHilbert	Date: March 4, 2008 @ 9:31 AM Clitter jitters......
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: March 4, 2008 @ 2:31 PM Shmoo, we appreciate that Larry has been good to the site. Woof is right in that the fact that we are even expressing a feeling, emotion, and continuing to log on is a good thing. When we stop caring and just leave in silence is when we really have had it with Leflaw and this site. I know that I cancelled a recurring subscription on paypal recently, but I really do want to reinstate it and recent signs are positive that (as my current sub runs until April) that I may restore it in time to be a continuous sub. I have never accused Larry of pulling a fast one, I just get nervous when there is a lack of communication. There are times when I haven;t seen or heard an update from Larry, Jack, Tracy or others concerned with the site for days, and frustration is building up and rumors are blowing away in certain threads to see them post something on a frivolous off topic thread. That's their right but just a continous 2-3 day update, even if it's no new information would really soothe the end user. However, we are all still here, hanging on and really hoping that the site gets better and we all really do wish Larry well in his struggles. Still, there are people who rely heavily on Dmusic and I can also see their point in going off elsewhere. I just hope that we can attract some of them back and obtain some great new fresh talent to take things forward, the longer this thing goes, the harsher and longer the rebuilding will take, it seems that currently we have a couple of dozen regulars hanging on but we are losing good people. I think at the end of the day, business is business and paying customers do have certain expectations. I don't think for me andmany others, it was ever anything personal against Larry.
kyodylee	Date: March 4, 2008 @ 3:41 PM Ah, forgive Shmoo, he's just lonely ... he ain't got nobody to rant at over at Boycott no more. Bless his heart.
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: March 5, 2008 @ 12:01 AM Shmoo is the man. So is Larry. There are naysayers about but most of the core group of users left all want the same thing. Dmusic to return to being functional, because we love this place and believe in it and some if us show our love by paying subs. Let's get this place back up and rocking and make it the best place for independent music on the web AGAIN.
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 5, 2008 @ 12:24 AM Arnie says it best... We'll be back.
independentm...	Date: March 5, 2008 @ 1:15 AM Sorry if I may have went too far overboard. As huge as DMusic is, there just doesn't seem to be enough $$$, nor a large enuff staff to be quick in fixing things. And that's a shame. DMusic is every bit as much a "great thing" on the world-wide-web as are the extremely deep pocketed YouTube's and MySpace's (and I'd say MORESO.) I just wanted to rant a little in defense of the few folks we do have who are going thru hell right now trying to run this site.
Woof	Date: March 5, 2008 @ 7:54 AM No prob, Shmoo. All things considered, I think that we're all handling this pretty gracefully. People have been known to get a lot more bent out of shape, over a lot less: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc
Distilled1	Date: March 5, 2008 @ 7:58 AM ^ OH My god
Mojosnake	Date: March 5, 2008 @ 8:10 AM ^ ditoo what rich said
vzeye	Date: March 5, 2008 @ 10:08 AM She would make a good roommate for Britney in the N U T HoUsE!

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