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rhthesinner	Date: April 15, 2008 @ 2:34 AM Just a reminder that they are there. It appears that in some cases they might have been forgotten...
Distilled1	Date: April 15, 2008 @ 6:01 AM no!!!!!! not here!!! never!!!!! Oh My GOD!!! we are all doomed!!!!
rhthesinner	Date: April 15, 2008 @ 6:03 AM
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 15, 2008 @ 7:03 AM They have? In some cases going back several years, you mean, that were curiously overlooked? Not being funny rh but to state this now after the last year or so of rampant forum activity by several members, not just Moam and myself, smells a bit funny. Why wasn't the hammer brought down much sooner, say, when the insults were REALLY flying? Not out to pick a fight, I just find it a bit strange that something would be said now, after comments Jon and I posted, when little or nothing was ever said when others did.
GeneHilbert	Date: April 15, 2008 @ 7:07 AM
moam	Date: April 15, 2008 @ 11:10 AM On 15th Apr 2008, GeneHilbert said:
Distilled1	Date: April 15, 2008 @ 11:23 AM On 15th Apr 2008, moam said: [QUOTE info=GeneHilbert,April 15, 2008 @ 7:07 AM] [/QUOTE]
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 15, 2008 @ 11:29 AM I guess the issue of censorship / rule enforcement will rumble on. Since the site is still experiencing problems almost 4 months after the crash and has errors still from before that event, I don't expect this issue to be resolved anytime soon. In the meantime, things will go on as they have done for quite some time and if that IS a problem for the upper echelons of the adminstration, then throw some input in here and work towards a resolution. Simply deleting comments any of us make should come with a note explaining why, after all, if you are going to enforce the rules everyone has a right to know what they said wrong. However, removing one person's offensive comments but leaving others' comments in full view smacks of utter bias. One set of rules for all. I thought this site was all about the freedoms us Indies enjoy. If you're bringing selective censorship back into the equation, you might as well put the servers in China.
rhthesinner	Date: April 16, 2008 @ 5:50 AM I actually meant to start this a while back about something else. I started it yesterday unaware of what else was going on. I welcome sensible discussions about anything, but not the disrespect for what was only meant as a friendly, gentle reminder that was shown here... So necessary deletions were made. If users want an adult forum, dragging everything down to a level where others either give the forums a wide berth or leave altogether is NOT the way to go about it...
Distilled1	Date: April 16, 2008 @ 7:25 AM again we need a NSFW spot on the forums!
ShadowMom	Date: April 16, 2008 @ 7:33 AM It would be nice to be able to quarantine a few people...
moam	Date: April 16, 2008 @ 7:51 AM On 16th Apr 2008, rhthesinner said: If users want an adult forum, dragging everything down to a level where others either give the forums a wide berth or leave altogether is NOT the way to go about it... Well, I gotta say, it's not mine, Buzz's, or Mojo's, or anyone else's fault for other people leaving the forums. What rules are we breaking? We aren't bashing people. We're making chicken jokes...is that really against any rules? Also have you considered the fact it has always been me, buzz, mojo, or even saint (i still miss him ) who even posts anything around here anymore? And no, NOT cause we are "out of control" or whatever other people assume with our "offensive" chicken jokes It seems to me because people are so humble around this site, they're all afraid to post anything that might "offend" their other dm buddies. Its sad, honestly, because I've been to other forums and people are way more offensive and attacking than we are. How I view it...its not our fault for people not returning to the dm forums. Its their own god damn choice. And you know they're all just gonna waddle their way back here eventually anyway, just like they always do...which is why I never give my "leave of absence" around this place because whats the point? It's a silly website for fuck's sake! What, are people who "leave DM" trying to make a stand or something for some lame, pointless reason? Stop crying and either speak up about it or just ignore it if it offends you. Don't leave and try to play the victim. Who ever "left the forums" and tried to claim the reason was me and buzz and the gang...is officially a tool and I'm gonna flat out say it. My It's a forum, get the fuck over it! And if I'm finally breaking rules NOW and I never was before...wow, then I guess I'm confused. This is how I've always been at DM, silly, non-serious, and out going, and I won't shut up because some people cry too much over it and blame me for their absence. Again, its their choice to stay/go. If they can't deal with jokes...then I'm glad they won't be lurking around the forums
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 16, 2008 @ 10:06 AM People blame me for a lot of things. Personally, I don't really care what they say. For all the blame I get, those doing it tend to forget how much they've insulted me over the past few years, I'm sorry if I came out on top and that upsets a few people but hey, that's life. Take lessons before getting yourself hideously embarrassed and pwned. While I agree with Moam on many points, I do understand that minors sometimes come here... Or used to. Since it IS a music site (and if you thought otherwise lately, that had LESS to do with the forum activity and MORE to do with the incompetence of those in charge of the server upkeep) there should be a better level of communication between staff (the rule makers) and admins (the rule enforcers). That link has never been explored properly. EVER. In my time up there, I've heard plenty of promises of action, suggestions and ideas... But most of it never trickled down to where it mattered, the site. We also practice freedom of speech. Freedom to say what the heck we want. If that contravenes the rules, then as I said before, removal of posts should come with a reason why being noted to the affected users. The fact that no solid enforcement or organisation has occurred for so long is MOSTLY to blame for any gripes over the current situation now and not the users involved. As for the chicken thing, each to their own. Some threads are pushing the limit and some threads have broken the unenforced rules. Go ahead and delete them, plus ignore the requests of the users. A compromise was suggested twice in the past as for ways to get around this... But seeing suggestions and reported bugs recognised or implemented, it's like waiting for an iceberg to melt. You can hardly blame the users for any frustration that eventually manifests itself in the form of "thread rioting". There, I'm done. As I've said before, I doubt anything will come of this, it never did before. The site's still unacceptably broken in many areas and THAT is your main reason for people leaving.
rhthesinner	Date: April 16, 2008 @ 11:33 PM Off topic posts have and will be delketed...
GTOriginal	Date: April 17, 2008 @ 12:58 AM Order must be maintained at all times. This is much easier when there's no traffic and no population.
Distilled1	Date: April 17, 2008 @ 2:15 AM even the s post ...thou shall watch out
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 17, 2008 @ 2:26 AM Take a stand, rh. Your throne awaits. (You can delete this, once you've had a chuckle/groan over the really crap "throne" joke)
zedsalt	Date: April 17, 2008 @ 3:50 AM My favorite newly-coined term as of late is "bloviathon". If I recall correctly, it was Joel Stein who combined "bloviate" (itself a relatively recently invented American colloquial term for speaking pompously and/or excessively) and "marathon".
Mojosnake	Date: April 17, 2008 @ 4:05 AM so i'm wondering why kathy didnt delete anything last night wich makes me think this is more of a personal crusade... and "delketed" oooo is that bad ?
Opossum	Date: April 17, 2008 @ 4:08 AM Are you being snarky? Does that word yet exist or has it gone the way of the bandersnatch?
moam	Date: April 17, 2008 @ 4:20 AM Usually I find off topic shit hilarious On 17th Apr 2008, zedsalt said: My favorite newly-coined term as of late is But what does that have to do with anything in this thread??
moam	Date: April 17, 2008 @ 4:20 AM meant to quote more than than but what can ya do
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 17, 2008 @ 12:32 PM On 17th Apr 2008, Mojosnake said: so i'm wondering why kathy didnt delete anything last night wich makes me think this is more of a personal crusade... and Not at all, Mojo. Rh and I have nothing against each other and I had comments removed too. In fact, it's good to see an admin actually take the initiative, since the lack of decent communication between them and the staff must be pretty frustrating.
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 17, 2008 @ 12:43 PM
Mojosnake	Date: April 17, 2008 @ 12:44 PM okay i'm done...... life is :crap: and i'm gonna leave it to you all to deal with this, much to rh's relief....
Tattoomom	Date: April 17, 2008 @ 12:46 PM Apparently Hippocrates was the father of modern medicine..... Which is still evidenced by the fact that doctors must take the Hypocritic oath....
moam	Date: April 17, 2008 @ 12:54 PM I'm gonna side with RH on this one...I feel its a good thing we keep this topic serious and posts about chickens don't really fit in the "serious" category As much as I honestly don't really give a shit about a lot of DM-related stuff and my main purpose on this site is basically to fuck around when I'm bored, seeing as I have WAY more important things to worry about than DM, I still have always respected RH and he has done nothing wrong at all I have always supported free speech and it would be hypocritical of me to say RH did shit wrong when he simply spoke up about it. Though I still agree about the whiny, crying bitches leaving the forum bit If people wanna leave and blame us "vandals", let em
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 17, 2008 @ 2:50 PM There have been initiatives in the UK where vandals could take their graffiti to designated areas and work on it to their hearts' content, out of sight out of mind... It didn't stop vandalism but it certainly reduced it in some of the worst places. The idea of an adult forum which would be free of such rules (except threatening behaviour obviously) is a good idea, in my opinion. The question is whether something like this will ever get discussed, never mind implemented. The other question is how seriously are the staff actually taking the site... Or its users for that matter. The present state of the site, amongst other things, would lead me to suspect that those in power don't have the desire to make this site a success anymore. Since "more important" things are being worked on, like a fancy new file manager when the existing one and other areas of the site don't work properly... The logic to me has been thrown out the window. Random deletions, banning users, site security... It's a total joke. If I could find ways around the current rules, by fair means or foul, then anyone can.
ShadowMom	Date: April 17, 2008 @ 3:21 PM Just because I'm silent doesn't mean I don't agree. But Rh doesn't need MY help. He was my main mentor, teaching me about DMusic, and he's always been there when I needed him. If you all want an adults-only forum, I would to put you in a little box. But do it the right way. We already have a Battles forum that is pretty much no-holds-barred. I don't see why we couldn't get another one, but the question is-- would you use it voluntarily?
BOWILLIE	Date: April 17, 2008 @ 3:23 PM build it..they will come
Mojosnake	Date: April 17, 2008 @ 3:25 PM On 17th Apr 2008, ShadowMom said: Just because I'm silent doesn't mean I don't agree. But Rh doesn't need MY help. He was my main mentor, teaching me about DMusic, and he's always been there when I needed him. If you all want an adults-only forum, I would to put you in a little box. But do it the right way. We already have a Battles forum that is pretty much no-holds-barred. I don't see why we couldn't get another one, but the question is-- would you use it voluntarily? yes i would...
ShadowMom	Date: April 17, 2008 @ 3:27 PM That's one....
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 17, 2008 @ 3:27 PM The thing is, Mom, the battle thread was put in there with music in mind. It's something that is more commonly associated with rap battling too. It's certainly not a place for headless chicken banging and farmyard massacres. Since a section of the membership is under 18, it would be a good idea to have an adult area to keep the less law-abiding material out of the way. Voluntarily using it would be irrelevent, since outside that forum the existing ( and presently non-enforced) rules would be reapplied. Complaints then would be dealt with a lot easier, things like "you deleted my thread because i said something you didn't like" would rarely happen since a thread that broke the main forum rules could be moved to the "adult" section. It also does help to know that people's genuine complaints via the right route, the helpdesk, are actually being dealt with and maybe that will help to reduce the outbursts in the public forums too.
ShadowMom	Date: April 17, 2008 @ 3:28 PM Or two, I'm not sure!
BOWILLIE	Date: April 17, 2008 @ 3:31 PM another point. all posts in forums go directly to google search lists. behavior and personal actions allways are on a much larger scrutiny than most realize.
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 17, 2008 @ 3:35 PM Yes Mom, I'd certainly keep it in the right place if that was the rule and such a place existed. Until then, there's no hope in hell of ANYONE following it. There's only so far the freedom of speech should've been left to go before someone up top said enough was enough. This is why I can't blame an admin for this, since no admin I know was ever told exactly what to do or even told to work things on your own initiative. That puts the blame for this and other site issues firmly at the feet of the staff, not you or rh.
rhthesinner	Date: April 17, 2008 @ 11:02 PM Posting notes sent privately in a public forum without permission of those involved is not right...