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thumbtack	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 8:43 PM After a few of the issues around here lately over pictures, language etc. Lets start a new tradition at DM. Its called RESPECT. 1) Begin with the Golden Rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. 2) Think before you post something out of anger or emotion. 3) Never post anything that you wouldn't want your mother to see. 4) Just because someone has a differing opinion from yours don't call them names. The have the same right to their opinion as you do yours. Debate the topic, but respect each others opinons, and stances they are every bit as passionate as you are. 5) When there were fights in school both parties got taken to the principles office. Think about it. 6) DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS, Rise above it
azhazhellfire	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 8:58 PM
Jennae	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 9:27 PM I would like to commend and appreciate Bill for this post and recognition to this matter. THANK YOU!!!!!
victorsskull	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 9:33 PM ok
ChillinBuzz	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 9:47 PM
Expose	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 10:04 PM ....
jerkface	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 10:37 PM haha, everybody who knew jennae was still coming to dmusic daily (but not logged in) raise your hand
greatscottpr...	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 11:35 PM R-E-S-P-E-C-T
Etheracide	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 11:37 PM It's sad because these should be universally followed every day anyway. But I am glad that someone stepped up to put it out in gray and white anyway. With it getting as bad as it was, it felt kinda like Mom and Dad fighting. DMusic has become a support oddly enough and all the bickering made it feel less like home even though that thought hurt. But hopefully cooler heads shall prevail and we can all go on doing what this site is all about.
leflaw	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 11:58 PM I'm glad J is back, cause I'm real depressed about not being on TV
Jennae	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 2:00 AM awe Larry no worries their loss
jackschitt	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 2:38 AM Damn it....... Just when it had started to get peaceful...... that squirrely broad is back............
Jennae	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 3:45 AM you better believe it!!
sinai	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 3:59 AM well slap my ass and call me surprised
TripEclipse	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 4:35 AM I am glad to see this thread. REALLY GLAD
Pagan	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 6:01 AM gone.is this the thread of broken promises?" id="55804">i thought trip said he was gone.is this the thread of broken promises?
Pagan	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 6:18 AM who had the i week square in the pool?collect your $300
Pagan	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 6:31 AM who had the 15 minute square on the tripeclipse return pool? collect your 23 dollars
Jennae	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 6:40 AM Pagan I suggest you re read this thread because your attitude is not appreciated here! LOSE IT! If you don't have anything good to say we recommend you we are not trying to encourage the hate. I'M TIRED OF IT!
Jennae	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 6:41 AM anyone else getting down with me on the ??
Svensta	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 9:13 AM Okay, why is Jennae trying to steal my I hope I don't have to hate on her. Welcome back, by the way.
leflaw	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 9:25 AM mp3.com or velvet rope or better yet, Riaa.org" id="55823">This thread is for positive comments only. Take the negative stuff over to mp3.com or velvet rope or better yet, Riaa.org
CowgirlBebop	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 10:13 AM Thank you thank you thank you! cowgirl feels the clouds of disillusionment lift cowgirl then wonders if that's actually a word
leflaw	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 10:30 AM And here's a tip for you neebies: THE FASTEST WAY FOR YOU TO GET NOTICED IS TO INTERACT WITH PEOPLE. Just like in real life. Lets see your arses on these forums. We'll be checkin yer musik out in due course. If we like it, you get featured at some point. Thats it. !!! Or you can send us $1,000.00 We'll work the rest out Da Management.
jackschitt	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 10:53 AM Dmusic.com - for making such a valuable resource available for indie musicians. Your hard work in assisting me/us in the promotion of my/our music is appreciated whole heartily. " id="55835"> I know this is a subject on another forum - but still.... I would like to offer a "THANK YOU". To the creator/s and the staff of Dmusic.com - for making such a valuable resource available for indie musicians. Your hard work in assisting me/us in the promotion of my/our music is appreciated whole heartily.
icisnizz	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 11:29 AM I sent you $3,000.00 dollers, where's my banner add? nice yo see you back jen-A
silverwolf121	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 3:29 PM
notserp	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 3:59 PM Onward and upward
sinai	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 4:10 PM wow...a call for respectfulness and people screaming at each other to shuttup all in the same thread... why dun't we all leave then mebbe there'll be some damn peace around here! lol
Jennae	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 4:34 PM
sinai	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 4:40 PM hey, you did it, dunt look at me!
sinai	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 4:40 PM i'm the one that can take a joke
Pagan	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 4:43 PM what attitude? i was making a joke.a joke by the way that was bouncing around since the day you decided to leave. i meant nothing by it. stop taking yourself so seriously sweetie. and whats with this "we" all the time are you staff now?
sinai	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 4:47 PM exactly, sheesh, this is a community here for chrissakes, and not everyone is going to think alike... Join our reindeer games...you to can be made fun of! hell ive had people piss all over my music or something i said, hell if it was witty enough...i laughed with them... we dunt need respect, we just need to lighten up, respct's definition varies from person to person lightening up is universal
milladrive	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 4:47 PM I say we continue the tradition of freedom of expression.
sinai	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 4:50 PM "sold to the man with the rolling eyes!"
Cryxan	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 4:53 PM Right sinai. Seems it's always the people who can't lighten up that cause the trouble, but then make judgements and accuse others of creating said trouble. This thread is one of many examples.
sinai	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 4:56 PM indeed...i mean surprise!!! the world actually revolves around the sun...not any of us.
TameasDust	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 5:07 PM it don't??? and i was on the lawn waiting to get tanned on my other side ... why don't people tell me these things
Jennae	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 5:16 PM why ya :scared: :mischievous: I think I can speak for more than one of us when I say: "If you don't have anything good to say _we_ recommend you :shutmouth:... _we_ are not trying to encourage the hate." I know I have ChillinBuzz and VictorsSkull with me on this... Thus being "WE". :nod: Anyone else in this community part of the "WE"? "stop taking yourself so seriously sweetie" After how I saw people respond to fellow members within threads yesturday, I AM VERY SERIOUS! :viking: People come here and interact because they enjoy this community and the people within it, not even mentioning the music here :groovin: How can we expect to grow and encourage our members to interact when "SOME" people are condescending and degrading towards others and making them feel uncomfortable and ridiculed?:shrugs: That is not going to assist any one of us to go out and sell dm to another musician, nor will it encourage anyone to interact within our community. It took two people from us immediately! one I am still trying to get back. This place needs to be a positive experience if "WE" want it to continue onward and upward. Coming??? :peace: " id="55919">"WE" why ya I think I can speak for more than one of us when I say: "If you don't have anything good to say _we_ recommend you ... _we_ are not trying to encourage the hate." I know I have ChillinBuzz and VictorsSkull with me on this... Thus being "WE". Anyone else in this community part of the "WE"? "stop taking yourself so seriously sweetie" After how I saw people respond to fellow members within threads yesturday, I AM VERY SERIOUS! People come here and interact because they enjoy this community and the people within it, not even mentioning the music here How can we expect to grow and encourage our members to interact when "SOME" people are condescending and degrading towards others and making them feel uncomfortable and ridiculed? That is not going to assist any one of us to go out and sell dm to another musician, nor will it encourage anyone to interact within our community. It took two people from us immediately! one I am still trying to get back. This place needs to be a positive experience if "WE" want it to continue onward and upward. Coming???
ChillinBuzz	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 5:18 PM :lmao:" id="55920"> Why not trei a holiday in Sweeden this year? See the loveli lakes. The wonderfull telephone system. And mani interesting furri aneemals. Including the majestik m00se. A m00se once bit my sister once...No realli! She was karving her initials on the moose with the sharpened end of an interspace toothbrush given by her svenge her brother in law and Oslo dentist and star of mani norwegian movies " hot hands of oslo dentist " end them.. mind you . moose bites can be pretti nasti...
Cryxan	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 5:22 PM I think "we" need to stop lecturing others on how to enjoy DMusic. You know, that whole "live and let live" thing?
sinai	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 5:28 PM pacifism and respect for people as individuals?!?! never!!! some things make TOO MUCH sense i guess
Jennae	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 5:35 PM works for me. :peace:" id="55926">ahh but see this is the beauty of FREEDOM of SPEECH you are entitled to what YOU think and so am I. And you are entitled to commentary it as long as you follow these simple rules: "We do not allow threads created nor maintained for attacking, threatening, slamming, nor harassing other users, artists, admins, or DMusic in general. " works for me.
sinai	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 5:37 PM so you can tell someone to shut up and thats not harrassing another member?
milladrive	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 5:38 PM I believe making a joke or raising levity is different from "attacking, threatening, slamming, or harassing." A little humility wouldn't kill some of us.
milladrive	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 5:38 PM Good point, sinai.
Pagan	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 5:43 PM shes right! the attack on yoboydrew was completely uncalled for! hes a new member and might get the wrong idea. finally someone understands my the point i was trying to make all along! big smiles everyone!!!! dont make us have to wire your mouth up in a permanent smile.
skiza	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 5:46 PM go make some music... :D" id="55934">i see a lot of "RESPECT" on this thread. go make some music...
sinai	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 5:47 PM lol skiza, best advice so far!
ChillinBuzz	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 5:49 PM
sinai	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 5:52 PM that's the spirit!!! now we're getting someone... quick, someone tell an ass joke and see if we're all still standing... (and i dunt know about moose's chillin, but a guinea pigs bite is murder! you'd be surprised what those tailless rats are capable of!)
Jennae	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 5:59 PM Instead of taking the action of detouring this type of behavior. Those comments were not a joke. I have them saved if you would like to refresh.:shrugs: and I did not say "PAGAN SHUT UP" I simple stated: "If you(generalized) don't have anything good to say we recommend you : shutmouth : translated: If you can't say anything good, then don't say it. If It was implied otherwise, then my apologies. I just want people to show a little more respect for the other people within this community. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." you very well may not have seen no issue at hand. And have different feelings of mine... ahhhhhhhh FREEDOM of SPEECH :viking: " id="55941">Well then again... You might not have seen yesturdays deleted threads either. Or when the member complained about the comments and how they were offended, maybe you would have commented: "Oh gimme a break, people. He's just being (so and so)." Instead of taking the action of detouring this type of behavior. Those comments were not a joke. I have them saved if you would like to refresh. and I did not say "PAGAN SHUT UP" I simple stated: "If you(generalized) don't have anything good to say we recommend you : shutmouth : translated: If you can't say anything good, then don't say it. If It was implied otherwise, then my apologies. I just want people to show a little more respect for the other people within this community. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." you very well may not have seen no issue at hand. And have different feelings of mine... ahhhhhhhh FREEDOM of SPEECH
milladrive	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 6:03 PM "Pagan I suggest you re read this thread because your attitude is not appreciated here! LOSE IT!" ...I for one appreciate Pagan's attitude. If he were to lose it, he would not be Pagan. I recommend he continues to speak his mind regardless of what "WE" think.
ChillinBuzz	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 6:04 PM watch Monty Python and the Holy Grail :grail: but beware Castle Anthrax
Jennae	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 6:06 PM refer to the thread: I did not attack his person. " id="55946">"shes right! the attack on yoboydrew was completely uncalled for!" refer to the thread: I did not attack his person.
sinai	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 6:08 PM theres a difference between, say, glorifying hitler, and rusing somebody on an innocent issue...if i have to explain the difference, may god help the public schooling system... and i thought what pagan had to say...along with being quite funny, was perfectly legitimate. do unto others as they do unto you? i do!! my shoutbox is chock full of snide remarks and smartass comments and i saw perfectly the issue at hand, im just standing on the other side
Jennae	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 6:09 PM again~ my issue exactly.
sinai	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 6:16 PM look Jen, i like you, this site needs interactive members like you, im not trying to start and arguement or cause trouble just for the sake of it... that's not my style on this one, i say we agree to disagree and drop it, for the good of the
Pagan	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 6:29 PM myself.no one can. by the way, keeping quiet and not saying whats on your mind for the sake of peace, never brings peace, it brings anger, resentment, and divorce.in that order. now tell me im wrong." id="55953">i just dont think she should use her presence as a barganing tool. she is needed here and apprecated and she works hard for this site. but that doesnt mean that I have to agree with her when I feel she is wrong. if i have to worry about speaking my mind because she may take off again i cant be myself.no one can. by the way, keeping quiet and not saying whats on your mind for the sake of peace, never brings peace, it brings anger, resentment, and divorce.in that order. now tell me im wrong.
sinai	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 6:34 PM of course your right, but neither one of us is gonna sway either way, and why argue just to hear yourself yell? best to just let it go, let it become the past, and get on with shit
Pagan	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 6:40 PM true dat. i agree with everything sinai said, will say, or has thought except for that one thought about my mom. you are sick dude, shes my mom!!
sinai	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 6:50 PM yeah, but she isnt MY mom... MILF!!!
smelv1n	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 7:32 PM you mean to say being smelv1n, didn't you? just say it, don't dance around it." id="55962">HEY JENNAE! I'm fucking back! And guess what? i'm not going to fucking change who I AM. "Oh gimme a break, people. He's just being (so and so)." you mean to say being smelv1n, didn't you? just say it, don't dance around it.
TameasDust	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 7:44 PM but we are used to you smelv1n. you delight and bring a smile to our faces for your devote and truly christain ideals. DMusic would be a truly wanton place without you and i for one love having you here. how is that for positive
smelv1n	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 7:55 PM i like to think of myself as more of a doer than a believer.
Pagan	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 8:15 PM here.with out you guys to help say what needs to be said these threads would turn into a mindless love-fest of everyone saying how much they love each other and love itself would lose all meaning. 'if you smile all the time how can i know if i have pleased you' say what you mean, mean what you say, and if you insult me, ill get over it. after all i am only a name on a web page and you are too. " id="55973">right on smel and sinai!! you challange the minds of everyone here.with out you guys to help say what needs to be said these threads would turn into a mindless love-fest of everyone saying how much they love each other and love itself would lose all meaning. 'if you smile all the time how can i know if i have pleased you' say what you mean, mean what you say, and if you insult me, ill get over it. after all i am only a name on a web page and you are too.
Veracohr	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 8:18 PM at all. Sure, they will have inevitably said something that raises your ire, but recognize them for the trolls they are and just ignore it. Do not refer to them. Act as if they do not exist. Not only do they eventually get bored and stop, you have the added benefit of not having to get stressed out over the comments of some jerk you don't even know." id="55974">Referring back to the topic of the thread: my take on Thumbtack's list is that he's asking people to act like decent human beings toward each other. It's too easy to insult each other online, because no one is face-to-face. How many of us would say the things in person that we do online, if we were all in the same room with each other? Don't lie, many wouldn't. People online have a tendency to not treat each other like they would in person, because there are no repercussions. We have a great thing here at DMusic, why do we ruin it getting all pissy at each other? People will always have differing opinions, but if we just keep trying to force our opinions on each other, no one will want to come here anymore, and that would suck. And I would like to second Thumbtack's last point: DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS This is something I learned long ago on the very first internet forum I was a member of. Not feeding the trolls does not mean telling them: "You're not wanted here, go away" or any such thing. It means not responding at all. Sure, they will have inevitably said something that raises your ire, but recognize them for the trolls they are and just ignore it. Do not refer to them. Act as if they do not exist. Not only do they eventually get bored and stop, you have the added benefit of not having to get stressed out over the comments of some jerk you don't even know.
smelv1n	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 8:25 PM you're right vehacohr i'm actually a nice guy. but if i've got something to say it, i'll say it, if you're standing in front of me or sitting a thousand miles away, it doesn't matter.
Svensta	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 9:15 PM He's a very nice for a Canadian Spanker You know, I think I have been abusing (and been abused) by Smelvie since I met him, many moons ago. Trolls.... You know, I never did see a troll in this forum before. I think they are migrating. But hey, Lef and Tackie, rejoice! You know you have made it to the Big Show when you can attract trolls!
VestigeMusic	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 9:59 PM To be honest, I don't know what half of this thread is on about lol... But everywhere has their idiots unfortunately... I got a lovely note from a member calling me everything under the sun because I told him (righfully) the vocals on his song were off-key. You can't win in these situations.
TheReason	Date: July 27, 2003 @ 12:25 AM you know what would help a big group hug....wait nevermind i dont think that would work well...
UnbreakableTed	Date: July 27, 2003 @ 1:49 AM You know what would help more? A buttload of beer. Someone should throw a DMusic kegger. Everybody gets drunk, beats the hell out of each other, and in the morning everything's settled. Peace through violence. That's what we need.
sinai	Date: July 27, 2003 @ 1:59 AM we'll call it "slugfest" and the winner gets a pocket protector
dgtzr	Date: July 27, 2003 @ 2:12 AM All disputes shall be settled within a dome constructed of beer cans and equipped with socks full of butterscotch pudding. We shall call it "CHUNDERDOME" Many idiots enter and a unified consortium of right-minded, motivated, music-loving freedom advocate leave. I think CHUNDERDOME would become a tradition of legendary proportions like National Coming Out day or the Great Pumpkin.
UnbreakableTed	Date: July 27, 2003 @ 2:44 AM or X-Day. Praise "Bob".
Veracohr	Date: July 27, 2003 @ 6:33 PM TheReason: you mean like this?
VestigeMusic	Date: July 28, 2003 @ 9:48 AM I can feel the love... no wait... it's a stroke.
blooddshedd	Date: July 28, 2003 @ 11:38 AM This thread sounds like a good idea. however some people are just plain ignorant. Being one of those people I find it hard to even agree with myself most of the time. So there.
ChillinBuzz	Date: July 28, 2003 @ 3:43 PM what did you stroke to feel love?
VestigeMusic	Date: July 28, 2003 @ 4:23 PM I dunno, but it smiled at me!
Pagan	Date: July 28, 2003 @ 5:58 PM id be agreeable to a group hug if smelv1n promises not to grab my ass anymore during them. Im still feeling a bit vulnerable from the last group hug. no offence smel!!! lol
blooddshedd	Date: July 28, 2003 @ 6:06 PM ha.... all this ass grabbin can only lead to one thing.... GROUP SEX.... WHOSE WITH ME?
pog	Date: July 28, 2003 @ 6:39 PM To express your views is one thing, but the facts are my Mum CAN and DOES read this stuff, and... in short, I hope future shit-stirrers f:censored:k off and die. n.b. This post is not pointed at anyone in particular, and if you feel it is pointed at you, then you must have a guilty concience. Now some may interject that I'm being hypocritical, but I only mean to point out a factor that didn't seem to have been addressed. :shrug:" id="56285">This is BULL I agree that some of you peeps are actively making the effort to dispose of all the conflicts that have been floating around recently, however others have been simply trying to encourage it. They know they're doing it... you can even sense them thinking to themselves "..hmmm, how can I upset this person just a little more.. heheh." This is not imho the way to approach an intelligent debate. To express your views is one thing, but the facts are my Mum CAN and DOES read this stuff, and... in short, I hope future shit-stirrers fk off and die. n.b. This post is not pointed at anyone in particular, and if you feel it is pointed at you, then you must have a guilty concience. Now some may interject that I'm being hypocritical, but I only mean to point out a factor that didn't seem to have been addressed.
Pagan	Date: July 28, 2003 @ 8:33 PM but I also seem to be getting alot of "how can I censor others from saying things I dont agree with" and a few of "is there any way to shape DMusic to fit my personal moral agenda without quashing my own freedom of expression which I excercise daily?" Any one else "sensing" that as well? Maybe my sensory antenna may be on the fritz though." id="56300">I completely agree with pog. finally a voice of reason!! I myself also have the ability to read minds from 15,000 miles away. and I sense the same thoughts of "how can I upset this person a little more" from many of you. but I also seem to be getting alot of "how can I censor others from saying things I dont agree with" and a few of "is there any way to shape DMusic to fit my personal moral agenda without quashing my own freedom of expression which I excercise daily?" Any one else "sensing" that as well? Maybe my sensory antenna may be on the fritz though.
fireball87	Date: July 28, 2003 @ 8:42 PM sweetness... nothing more to say... shot for short usless post
smelv1n	Date: July 28, 2003 @ 10:31 PM you got those powers too?!?!?! I FUCKING THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE!! Holy shit, this is crazy, we gotta stay up late and make popcorn and talk about our cool powers!! But lately i've been sensing more "Geeze, how can I score more brownie points with jennae??"
Jennae	Date: July 28, 2003 @ 10:38 PM I have a list if anyone needs it And it's only about 7 pages long. Nothing's impossible there is hope for you too smelvin you sexy you.
jmweirick	Date: July 28, 2003 @ 10:44 PM i agree with pog also.
Pagan	Date: July 28, 2003 @ 10:56 PM emoticon.any way we can begin development on that? or should i post this in the help forum?" id="56314">i cant seem to find an ass kissing emoticon.any way we can begin development on that? or should i post this in the help forum?
smelv1n	Date: July 28, 2003 @ 11:33 PM nope, i can't seem to get it working either
SinisterX	Date: July 29, 2003 @ 2:44 AM No offense, just an observation. " id="56335">I've learned onething from online forums, every forum seems to have at least "One Queen Bee" who likes to be in charge. Bossy females, the I'm right and you are not, type. That is why I hardly interact anymore. Queen Bees take the fun out of posting. No offense, just an observation.
Veracohr	Date: July 29, 2003 @ 4:12 AM Well, Sinister, I wouldn't be Queen Bee if everyone didn't bow to me all the time, now would I?
sinai	Date: July 29, 2003 @ 4:40 AM call me an atheist then Vera
PaBlikMM	Date: July 29, 2003 @ 7:04 AM Hey lets try ... Everytning i gonna be ollright, Everything is gonna be o.k., HEY SING IT WITH ME!!!!! Everytning i gonna be ollright, Everything is gonna be o.k., Everytning i gonna be ollright, Everything is gonna be o.k., shake your hand and respect each others ... we all are musician or people loving music ... we dont have to fight ... o.k. ... and if some here have any broblems ... come to me and i´ll solve it (196cm and 110 kg)
TameasDust	Date: July 29, 2003 @ 8:14 AM we have a be nice forum can we have a be not nice forum just to let the frustrations roll
Svensta	Date: July 29, 2003 @ 8:24 AM Where the hell did that one go?" id="56370">Actually we USED to have that around here somewhere. Vic created it... the good ole "verbal abuse thread" Where the hell did that one go?
ChillinBuzz	Date: July 29, 2003 @ 9:57 AM Never mind the thread, where did Vic go?
Pagan	Date: July 29, 2003 @ 10:59 AM jennaes last post is damn funny i must say.
Jennae	Date: July 29, 2003 @ 5:14 PM I miss vic too Chill
milladrive	Date: July 29, 2003 @ 5:18 PM Why did he leave? Oh, and ...100th post.
Pagan	Date: July 29, 2003 @ 5:41 PM i cant wait to hear this..... :drumroll:
Nubius	Date: July 29, 2003 @ 6:26 PM weird thread

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