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Dixie Chicks are not Johnny Cash

JimColyer	Date: June 20, 2006 @ 5:47 PM I live in Nashville. In 1998, the Chicks gave a free concert in Centennial Park. That was before they broke out. I walked over and took a look. "They are not going anywhere," I thought to myself. A year later, they were everywhere. I confess, I never cared for the Chicks. "Goodby Earl" was a song which glorified and condoned a wife murdering her husband. It was sick. I watched women perform it in karaoke bars. They were re-enacting the homicide in their minds and relishing it. I was surprised, however, when Natalie Maines made the comment in London in 2003 about President Bush. It must have slipped out in a moment of unconsciousness. It ruined a big career, or certainly changed it radically. I wonder what the other two Chicks thought about Natalie or what they said to her in private. The Chicks have made a comeback of sorts, hooking up with maverick producer Rick Rubin, the guy who produced Johnny Cash's last albums. The Chicks attain a rebel status in doing so but they are far from being Johnny Cash. I suspect their career will dissipate after the current album.
K3VIN	Date: June 20, 2006 @ 6:11 PM my friend bought some stupid dvd of them live... for his girlfriend insert whipped emoticon here
Fraser	Date: June 20, 2006 @ 6:14 PM Anyone who dislikes a musician's music for his/her political views is stupid. Everybody has them. If I said Im a conservatist, and suddenly everybody on DMusic stopped listening to my music and started telling me how wrong I was, I'd be pissed.
EvilPicnic	Date: June 20, 2006 @ 6:18 PM I quite like 'em... in moderation. Horses for courses. Ataxia: Si, I agree.
ChillinBuzz	Date: June 20, 2006 @ 6:34 PM quite like both the Chicks and Cash and watching that comment arguably cripple their career hopes, just shows how deep politics now affects every aspect of our lives... it is really, really sad for the record, Bush and Blair should be given a free world cruise for their next vacation, starting with a nice 2 year stay in a 5 star hotel in Iraq... (watches his listening figures drop to zero)
shadowself	Date: June 20, 2006 @ 6:47 PM Ataxia: Anyone who dislikes a musician's music for his/her political views is stupid. This bears repeating. If someone stops listening to my music because of my political views (which are stated NOWHERE in my music), well - GOOD. I don't make music for narrow-minded cunts.
Fraser	Date: June 20, 2006 @ 6:58 PM
hate9wicket	Date: June 20, 2006 @ 7:00 PM ^^^Agreed, I sometimes think I get a bit carried away with my forum posts here, but you won't see me rabble rousing w/ my music. There are a few musicians out there I agree w/ politically but don't get/like their music, which include The chickatees and Conor O'berst. I do appreciate the "risk" they take for speaking out, but I have to wonder how much of it is manipulation and how sincere they actually are. That said: All the Bush bashing going on, be it Neil Young(to his credit, did admit to voting for the guy in '04) or Michael Stipe or whomever...Is it helping or hurting the Music?
K3VIN	Date: June 20, 2006 @ 7:35 PM why would u listen more then once that didnt make u feel good and contradicted ur beliefs?
ChillinBuzz	Date: June 20, 2006 @ 7:40 PM i wasnt bashing anyone in particular all heads of state, presidents, prime ministers, rebel leaders, terrorists, arms and drug dealers, England football managers i spare no quarter for any of them now, if a fellow musician bashed another musician for those reasons, i'd see a case for a riot... however, people who run and subsequently fuck over their country should be given a hard time by ALL.
K3VIN	Date: June 20, 2006 @ 7:46 PM wow my typing was off their but i think my point is made
imemine	Date: June 20, 2006 @ 8:09 PM They're not? Seriously though---Say what you want but except the consequences of your actions when you live and die by the people who buy your music. I, unlike Shadowself do say political in some of my material and if someone doesn’t like--- they can off! That being said, if YOUR gig is to SELL to a constituency, you might want to cater to those folks! Otherwise STFU and take what’s coming to you.
leedsquietman	Date: June 20, 2006 @ 10:46 PM Dixie Chicks are not Johnny Cash - this is a good thing because the dixie chicks are kinda hot and I'd hate to think they might have a little (or big?) surprise hiding 'down there' (a la crocodile dundee)....
imemine	Date: June 20, 2006 @ 11:52 PM Ya know---Johnny Cash shot a man in Reno just to see him die----yet no one seemed to care? Curious ain’t it?
K3VIN	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 12:09 AM my friend is a big fan of johnny cash but quite frankly i cant stand him
ChillinBuzz	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 12:13 AM he shot someone and didn't get the chair? damn... would've given a whole new meaning to "Ring Of Fire"
imemine	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 12:23 AM Hey K9---You know that you're just inviting me in to the next rap battles here! The Man in Black CANNOT be f_ _ _ _ed with!
K3VIN	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 12:25 AM ?? i worded my sentence wrong... i cant stand johnny cashes music
GeneHilbert	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 12:27 AM When I hear that whistle blowin', I hang my head and cry.
K3VIN	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 12:30 AM named sue
Svensta	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 10:15 AM Okay first off, let's separate the musicians HERE from the Dixie Chicks. This is a free community, a hangout, a place to meet-n-greet, where 'raven coaxes Issy up onto the pole for a little flashdancing.... but I digress. I mean that we come here to chat, goof off, even talk about 'important' things. The Chicks were utter morons because they decided to use a platform that their music created to PONTIFICATE. This is the same mistake that the Sean Penns and the Susan Sarandons(sp) and even the Beastie Boys make. You are entertaining us. DO NOT abuse that opportunity to spread your geopolitical ideas. That is what your website is for. Your blog. Your talk show interviews. NOT your concerts. They are for people who like your MUSIC to hear it from you personally. Leave your thoughts and concerns OFF STAGE. Morons. That said, no one, and I mean NO ONE is Johnny Cash, but the Man in Black himself. He was one dead-on motherfucker. And I use that term because he deserves it.
Israfel	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 11:52 AM well said daddio! ( except for that coaxing me up the pole part )
EvilPicnic	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 3:13 PM Svensta - I disagree (except about the Johnny Cash part, which is pretty damn accurate). When onstage I reserve the right to banter about whatever I like in the gap when the other guitarist changes tuning, be it the weather, my love of eggs, or David Cameron's smarminess. To take politics off the list of allowed topics is annoyingly annoying. Not that I ever really talk about politics, I don't know enough about it. Unlike eggs. But I like the right to be able to talk about whatever I want, and for the audience to choose whether they're entertained or not. Just because I'm a musician doesn't mean I have to shut up about everything else. And why can't famous people use their fame to do (what they view as) good, or forward something they believe strongly in? The audience can always choose not to listen.
kingo	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 3:15 PM agreed on all counts, EvilPicnic. I wanted to say something similar but I couldn't figure out how to word it. That and I'm an internet roustabout, which puts me squarely in the category of "should shut up about things not related to roustingabout."
Israfel	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 4:34 PM "The audience can always choose not to listen." Well, this is somewhat true...except that the audience has already paid $30, $50, $100 or more to attend the concert and are now subjected to the political rantings of someone who is probably not ranting anything factual. In my opinion, just a good way to kill what could have been a great night out to hear some live music. The choosing not to listen part would, I guess, come afterwards...when the audience who was just put off by what they heard decide not to listen to the music anymore. But then, that usually means they show up later on Larry King whining about how no one's listening anymore. Just my opinion, but if I pay to see someone live and want to hear music I am not also hoping that I get a good political rally out of the evening as well.
kingo	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 4:38 PM Yes and I hate when I go to a movie and the fucker makes a point I disagree with. And I hate when I buy a book and the asshole author makes a point I disagree. And I hate when I'm watching a show on the TV I paid for and the cable I paid for and someone says something I find distasteful. I should be able to get my money back for that shit.
Israfel	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 4:43 PM well then you agree with me! ok ok kingo....calm down! sheesh...
kingo	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 4:50 PM I'm uncalm? YOU THINK I'M UNCALM? HOW COULD YOU TELL IF I WAS UNCALM? IS IT THE THROBBING VEIN ON MY FOREHEAD?
Israfel	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 4:54 PM Well something was throbbing. I just assumed. Now take your medicine. You can have a Tootsie Roll when you're all finished.
furiousBall	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 5:04 PM I played a gig with a band that had some of the most insane banter between songs. The singer spent about 10 mins telling this story about how he mistakened a mole for a nipple. Johnny Cash and the Dixie Chicks both have nipples...see I made it topical.
kingo	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 5:09 PM :bowdown:" id="227799">Woah!! "I played [...] with [...] Dixie Chicks [...] nipples..."
greatscottpr...	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 5:22 PM H W \ \\|\|// D //\|\|\\ Y U //\|\|\\ D
GTOriginal	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 9:13 PM Hmmm... Johnny Cash and John Ritter both died on the same day. I have never once seen them together at the same time. They both used the same first name. There are no coincidences...
imemine	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 9:41 PM The Dixie Chicks are SO much better than the Transvestite cover band “Chicks with Dicks”!
kingo	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 9:45 PM How many transvestites are there to cover?
Svensta	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 9:46 PM Remember I'm not forbidding you. Its your mike and your gig. But don't be angered or surprised when you pay for what you're saying. Just like your fans paid to get in. Again, say what you'd like, but for me, you best NOT do it on MY dime. Go Issy! And for Kingo's rebuttal, I say that you had best spend 14 seconds reviewing the content of said book or movie you are about to SPEND MONEY on, or you're daft and can't be helped. Enhance your uncalm, John Spartan. See? ANOTHER John. I need to pee. IN THE JOHN!
kingo	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 9:53 PM You can "review" the content of a movie or book and still come across something, in reading or viewing it in its entirety, with which you viscerally disagree. Even if the book's by John Steinbeck or the movie's by John Waters. Still doesn't mean you should get your money back. Same goes for concerts. Even John Johnson concerts.
sinai	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 10:08 PM "That is what your website is for. Your blog. Your talk show interviews. NOT your concerts. They are for people who like your MUSIC to hear it from you personally. Leave your thoughts and concerns OFF STAGE. Morons. Your blog. Your talk show interviews. NOT your concerts. They are for people who like your MUSIC to hear it from you personally. Leave your thoughts and concerns OFF STAGE. Morons." dude, it WAS a talk show interview, she said it on the Graham (sp?) Norton Show, I was in England at the time and was watching it, i remember briefly chortling to myself, and then getting the fuck on with my life. She went on to make several comments about uncircumsised penises, but noone ever seems to include that part.
kyodylee	Date: June 21, 2006 @ 11:23 PM "The Chicks were utter morons because they decided to use a platform that their music created to PONTIFICATE." I guess by that standard it would make John Lennon a moron too.
rawknrolloutlaw	Date: June 22, 2006 @ 2:28 AM Natalie Maines once again has opened her mouth in the same place, this time about patriotisim. this happened just a few days ago. here is what I copied from yahoo news: ------------------------ http://music.yahoo.com/read/news/33442272 Dixie Chicks Bash Patriotism 06/19/2006 5:00 PM, Yahoo! Music LAUNCH Radio Networks There must be something about being overseas that really gets the Dixie Chicks talking. Group members Emily Robison and Natalie Maines have now taken on the subject of patriotism, and apparently they're as big of fans of it as they are President Bush. In an interview with UK's Telegraph newspaper, Robison accused some country artists of jumping on the anti-Chicks bandwagon to further their own careers. She said, "A lot of artists cashed in on being against what we said or what we stood for because that was promoting their career, which was a horrible thing to do. A lot of pandering started going on, and you'd see soldiers and the American flag in every video. It became a sickening display of ultra-patriotism." Maines continued, "The entire country may disagree with me, but I don't understand the necessity for patriotism. Why do you have to be a patriot? About what? This land is our land? Why? You can like where you live and like your life, but as for loving the whole country... I don't see why people care about patriotism." The Dixie Chicks have been overseas promoting their latest album, Taking The Long Way, with a series of live concerts. In fact, last week the trio returned to very place where their career took a major turn -- Shepard's Bush Empire in London. It was from this very stage that Maines bashed Bush three years ago.
Svensta	Date: June 22, 2006 @ 8:26 AM Sinai: Have no idea if it was a talk show, I am working under the assumption that it was a paid event people were attending. From rawkandroll's post above: "It was from this very stage that Maines bashed Bush three years ago." Sounds to me like it was on stage at a paid concert. Kyo: Lennon wrote songs ABOUT his beliefs, wherein the Chicks sing manufactured country-pop tunes and talk when people are EXPECTING the selfsame pop music. Dylan is a provocateur as well. Don't mistake the two. Kingo: You're still missing the point. If say Stephen King or Dean Koontz started proselytizing in the middle of a horror novel, I'd feel the same way. Feel free to use your FAME to better the world, speak out, et cetera. DON'T DO IT ON MY DIME. If I like your music, If I pay for your music, then SING (play, strum, fellate, whatever). Nothing more. Save that for the other medium.
sinai	Date: June 22, 2006 @ 8:42 AM It was a talk show sven, i watched it live, (or else Ms. Maines had a stump speech), i think he's using "from this very stage" metaphorically, meaning London. Or else he's a fucking moron and doesn't know what he's talking about. point is, the freedom of speech pendulum never ceases to spin in any direction, Maines is free to say what she thinks about president Bush, you're free to boycott her products and denounce her doing so, and i'm free to think you're being a gigantic puss bag for blowing a total stranger's personal beliefs out of proportion. as far as being offended by "goodbye earl" dude, seriously, stop being such a goddamn pussy...it's a song. also, it didn't ruin their career, their fucking albumn debuted at #1. and yeah i read they bashed patriotism, good. it's a fucking dumbass idea. you know why patriotism exists? So rich people can get poor people to die for them with a clearer conscience. i'm not stupid enough to fall for it, i'm a human before i'm an american, so don't ask me to pander to your beck and call because you wrap yourself in a flag. back to sven, i agree, it is annoying when people use the stage to pander (unless it's a "vote for change" or "live aid" tour where you gotta expect that sort of thing) your totally right there. She didnt say these things from the stage.
kingo	Date: June 22, 2006 @ 9:23 AM So that we can ALL disagree with each other -- she did say that from a stage, actually. She probably re-iterated what she'd said later on a talk show or something; but the comment about her not being proud that Bush was from Texas was made during a performance. But I stand behind what I said, Svensta, and I'm not missing your point. I get what you're saying. You're saying when you pay for something you should be able to dictate what it's about; that if an entertainment act surprises you by expressing an opinion that's not within the mold you've come to expect from them then they're out of line. That entertainers on stage are supposed to be dancing monkeys, there solely for your amusement. Funny thing about that is I disagree with it. I know what you're saying and I disagree with it. I don't think my buying a ticket to someone's performance means that the performer is somehow beholden to me.
sinai	Date: June 22, 2006 @ 10:07 AM after googling it, the sites do refer to a concert, either she said it on the show and noone cared until she said it on the stage, or she repeated it word for word later, whichever, i retract the fucking moron statement i stand by everything else
Svensta	Date: June 22, 2006 @ 11:28 AM Entertainers ARE there solely to entertain me. When they are entertaining me that is. Not when they are flying to Namibia to have their progeny. Or shopping. Or dangling their children from balconies. Or using them for airbags. Or trying to shake some sense into America. Only when they are entertaining, do I expect them to be... entertaining. Bill Mahr entertains BY talking about those things. Not the coat racks called the Dixie Chicks. Patriotism = religion = control of masses? Sure, it gets used that way, no doubt. I just don't want some piece of puff pastry talking to me about it when I came to hear pop music.
kingo	Date: June 22, 2006 @ 11:30 AM Entertainment, therefore, cannot be thought provoking. Noted.
thesoloer	Date: June 22, 2006 @ 11:52 AM I agree with Svensta... if all people think of who is singing they will never fully appreciate what is being sung. I think entertainment is meant for those who want a good enjoyable hang out... if you need music, who better to listen to then your favorite artists? As for why you guys are comparing Johnny Cash to the Dixie Chicks, be my guest.
Svensta	Date: June 22, 2006 @ 12:54 PM Kingo, displaying the illogic of transitive thinking. A has to equal C, huh? No, it doesn't. Ray Charles is not, indeed, God.
kingo	Date: June 22, 2006 @ 12:59 PM Actually I was displaying the ill-chosen word. "Entertainnment should not be thought provoking." It DOES follow, believe it or not. The complicated formula would be a little boring, but I'll post it if you insist. :hypnodisc:
kingo	Date: June 22, 2006 @ 1:00 PM I wish I could spell
GeneHilbert	Date: June 22, 2006 @ 1:29 PM I think having an opinion and stating it is kewl..... and it is one of many rights we as American’s value. However along with that right one must accept the responsibility of stating accurately your values and beliefs; all while being well aware of the possible consequences of your statements. Ask Paul about John's "We're more popular than Jesus" statement. Or Elvis Costello's drunken rant that "Ray Charles is an ignorant, blind nigger". Words are very powerful – choose them wisely.
kyodylee	Date: June 23, 2006 @ 1:19 AM http://www.thenation.com/doc/20041025/wiener article \| posted October 7, 2004 (web only) Rocking the Youth Vote--From 1972 to 2004 by Jon Wiener Some excerpts from the article: "Lennon came under FBI surveillance because he planned a US concert tour for 1972--when Nixon was running for re-election and the war in Vietnam was going strong. Nineteen seventy-two was also the first year 18-year-olds had been given the right to vote. Lennon's plan: Use the concert tour to encourage young people to register to vote, and vote against Nixon. On October 1, 2004 Bruce Springsteen, along with R.E.M., the Dixie Chicks, Pearl Jam and a dozen other musicians, launched his concert tour in swing states, based on the same plan Lennon had thirty-two years earlier: Encourage voter registration among young people, and then a vote against the Republican in the White House on election day." "There is, however, one crucial difference: Lennon canceled his tour after one performance because the White House ordered him deported. He spent the next year and a half in and out of immigration court." "If the plans for 1972 and 2004 had the same strategy, the concert programs reflect different times and tastes. Lennon did do one concert before the White House got to him: a trial run at the University of Michigan's Crisler Arena in December 1971. That concert had a stellar and much more eclectic lineup than this month's efforts, where Springsteen teamed up onstage with R.E.M. Lennon shared the bill with Stevie Wonder, who sang "For Once in My Life," and then gave a brief speech attacking Nixon; Allen Ginsberg, who chanted a half-hour-long mantra; jazz avant-gardist Archie Shepp, country rocker Commander Cody and protest singer Phil Ochs." "And of course the Ann Arbor lineup also included John and Yoko. The Ann Arbor concert had one feature missing from this year's Vote for Change events: a lot of political talk. In Philadelphia on opening night, Springsteen limited himself to a brief political statement: "We're here to fight for a government that is open, rational, forward-looking and humane," he said. Back in 1972 Bobby Seale of the Black Panther Party gave a speech about Angela Davis; Dave Dellinger, the antiwar activist who had been to Hanoi, talked about Vietnam; Jerry Rubin--the Yippie leader and, with Seale and Dellinger, one of the Chicago Eight defendants--said, "What we are doing here is uniting music and revolutionary politics to build a revolution around the country!" He promised that "a lot of events like this one will take place" before the election. Finally, John Sinclair's mother gave a speech: "You can teach more to your parents than your parents taught you," she said. "I'm speaking of course from personal experience." -------------------------------------------- I guess rock concert goers in 1972 were just made of different stuff than today's concert goers. Imagine (pun intended) paying good money to hear all that political talk at a concert.
thesoloer	Date: June 23, 2006 @ 2:46 PM Uh... yeah, I suppose they are different because there were a bunch of commotion with the way people thunk about the government. They were against it, they didnt want it in place, and they wanted it out. If the government continued, it would be a terrible idea. Honestly.
kingo	Date: June 23, 2006 @ 3:02 PM Another gem! Kyo -- nice post." id="228314">"If the government continued, it would be a terrible idea." Another gem! Kyo -- nice post.
thesoloer	Date: June 23, 2006 @ 7:45 PM thanks kingo. I know in the seventies there were many protests going on and people would not let them stop because there was something they disagreed with and they wanted to prove themselves no matter what people would think or what their decisions were, so therefore, no progress could get made.
imemine	Date: June 23, 2006 @ 7:50 PM ....and I thought that we said everything that could have been said already.
GreatGooglyM...	Date: June 25, 2006 @ 3:03 PM Why is it that everytime I hear Dixie Chicks I think chicks with dicks? Must've been something to do with their music.