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acousticgrrl	Date: September 14, 2004 @ 1:46 PM I know this has been addressed many, many times but I have never really gotten a definitive answer. Why are the site's Top 20 the particular songs that they are, and why haven't they changed since I have been here? A "Top 20" should reflect what is more popular at the moment. The billboard top 200 reflects what is currently being bought. Similarly, the top 20 here should reflect what is most listened, most e-mailed and added to playlists, what is getting the most "thumbs up," what is getting the most comments (as people usually tend to comment of songs they like), and what is more voted to be featured on the sites top 20. That I feel would differentiate from the "most listened to" countdown which seems to be easily manipulated by some anyway. It just irks me a little to see that Chuckie guy owning the top 20 when quite frankly, I like hip-hop and he is garbage. The top 20 should be fresh and all those songs are ridicuously old. An appealing top 20 with good music is going to keep people at DM. Uh, yeah, that's it. Thanks.
onewhodreams	Date: September 14, 2004 @ 4:09 PM You mean the "DM Picks" Just how many threads have been made about this?
sinai	Date: September 14, 2004 @ 5:19 PM i'd rather have 10 people listen to me and like my stuff than 1000 who think i'm complete and utter shit
fu-dog	Date: September 14, 2004 @ 5:33 PM ripped out to stave off complaints. There will be a new chart system, but it may be a while in coming. Hopefully closing the door on all the complaints about Chuckie's traffic: Last time i spoke with him, he said he's been advertising himself all over his city at his gigs. It shows. Between that and having his own website, he brings a notable amount of traffic to DMusic. He's #6 on our incoming search engine referrals. The site he's on, jane-finch.com, is #2 on our website referrals list, just behind LittlestManBand's website. The Suburban Legends come in #3. These three groups/artists are out there pushing themselves, and that's why they're getting in good position here. Just because you have some work up on a website somewhere doesn't mean people will listen. This isn't Field of Dreams. Normally, i wouldn't waste time dragging this information out for everyone, but the incessant complaining about Chuckie is tiresome. It's not you, it's him. He must have a clue because he's driving people to the site and they're listening to his music. Crazy, right? --- PS - No offense intended. If anyone is offended, it really must be them. " id="112320">The "Top Listens" reflects what is popular at the moment, in terms of actual streams and downloads. The "Top 20 DM Picks / The Bin" represents an antiquated system that was both highly inaccurate and requiring nominations of artists by staff members. This chart system has been ripped out to stave off complaints. There will be a new chart system, but it may be a while in coming. Hopefully closing the door on all the complaints about Chuckie's traffic: Last time i spoke with him, he said he's been advertising himself all over his city at his gigs. It shows. Between that and having his own website, he brings a notable amount of traffic to DMusic. He's #6 on our incoming search engine referrals. The site he's on, jane-finch.com, is #2 on our website referrals list, just behind LittlestManBand's website. The Suburban Legends come in #3. These three groups/artists are out there pushing themselves, and that's why they're getting in good position here. Just because you have some work up on a website somewhere doesn't mean people will listen. This isn't Field of Dreams. Normally, i wouldn't waste time dragging this information out for everyone, but the incessant complaining about Chuckie is tiresome. It's not you, it's him. He must have a clue because he's driving people to the site and they're listening to his music. Crazy, right? --- PS - No offense intended. If anyone is offended, it really must be them.
kingo	Date: September 14, 2004 @ 7:27 PM Imagine, someone's getting hits because people are listening to the music for real. Far be it from me to be offended by anything (and certainly I wouldn't want to cause offense in return for my not being offended,) but this is the first time I've seen a message on one of these posts explaining that Chuckie's tracks were at the top of the charts because he was getting legitimate listens. It occurs to me that there are a lotta regular users, or overusers, on here who would've been more than happy to explain how this all works in response to all of the complaints about it if any of those questions had ever been answered by anyone who knew.
victorsskull	Date: September 14, 2004 @ 8:22 PM in that casehttp://victorsskull.dmusic.net/ check out dis chit mon
onewhodreams	Date: September 14, 2004 @ 10:15 PM I am in It's a great feeling too!!
acousticgrrl	Date: September 15, 2004 @ 12:30 AM Okay, sorry, I was just looking at this top 20 thinking, wow this hasn't changed since... ever. If it's gonna be all Chuckie because he deserves it and is bringing people to DM, then awesome, but it should still not be static. And I could have sworn I clicked on DM Picks artists before and then no longer existing. Sorry I brought this up again. Forgive me Fu-Doggie?
ChillinBuzz	Date: September 15, 2004 @ 7:13 AM So? he still has multiple pages and at the time had not subscribed. SORRY, RULES ARE RULES FOR ALL AND ONE. NO EXCEPTIONS. so do something. after all, i was subscribed and i had my other accounte removed. Are we developing a 2 tier system here because someone brings a lot of attn to the site? i didnt see his name on the awards... go ahead, strike back. the bottom line is, the rules are being bent, JUST LIKE IN REAL LIFE AND THE MUSIC INDUSTRY... hehehe Much love, The Troublemaker.
ChillinBuzz	Date: September 15, 2004 @ 7:13 AM accounts*
Thunder-Net	Date: September 15, 2004 @ 8:34 AM i would like to take time out to say.... Its about time!
onewhodreams	Date: September 16, 2004 @ 12:14 AM I think that is the point though. They come to listen to HIS music and then they leave. So what does that do for the Good of dmusic? Anyway, it's done now so... Who has ideas about how to have a fair DM Picks system? Anyone?? :)" id="112428">"Normally, i wouldn't waste time dragging this information out for everyone, but the incessant complaining about Chuckie is tiresome. It's not you, it's him. He must have a clue because he's driving people to the site and they're listening to his music. Crazy, right? I think that is the point though. They come to listen to HIS music and then they leave. So what does that do for the Good of dmusic? Anyway, it's done now so... Who has ideas about how to have a fair DM Picks system? Anyone??
kingo	Date: September 16, 2004 @ 11:17 AM It would need to be automated, I think. Something where users nominate songs for Picks, and if a song gets x number of nominations it becomes a pick.
fu-dog	Date: September 16, 2004 @ 3:18 PM this thread. There was a lot of chart talk a while back... " id="112482">Per ChillinBuzz's statement: If users wish to tattle on other users having multiple accounts to circumvent rules in our system, then note me with specific account names. We do enforce our policies when situations arise, but we don't always search for offenders. onewhodreams: We're here to support needs of those interested in music in whatever aspects we can. Whether or not they support us directly and with intention is another matter. Regarding charting: Before the ideas on chart systems get rehashed, you might want to check this thread. There was a lot of chart talk a while back...
ChucKieX	Date: September 17, 2004 @ 12:34 AM i am dmusics most hated =)
kingo	Date: September 17, 2004 @ 9:16 AM Hey, what the f? DID I JUST SEE A MESSAGE FROM CHUCKIE IN A FORUM? I expect now to see the blood rivers and the frogs falling from the sky and the skeletons on horseback. THE END IS NIGH!!!! REPENT!!!
MCCUBED	Date: September 17, 2004 @ 12:02 PM LET'S START SOMETHING NEW! HOW ABOUT LET'S CHECK OUT MY MUSIC. O.N.E IS THE GREATEST BUT IF WE GET NO PLAY AIN'T NO WAY THEY CAN DEBATE THIS.
victorsskull	Date: September 17, 2004 @ 12:03 PM better yet check out all my music
acousticgrrl	Date: September 17, 2004 @ 3:20 PM Hey Chuckie, want to collab? I'm DM's hottest new rapper. Check out sept.dmusic.com
RosLen	Date: September 17, 2004 @ 7:40 PM lol @ Halaka Chuckie posted in the other "ChuckieX Fcking Sux" forum..(i think that was the name of it). i'm not going to complain about the Top 20 but I am going to comment on the blatant copyright mp3 rip-offs & fcked up karaoke covers topping the list & getting more hits than legitimate artists and their original material. something's.....not quite right. LJ http://roslen.dmusic.com
Dizeazed	Date: September 21, 2004 @ 7:18 PM Yea.. Chuckie Comes out of his cave every now and then... This is probably the 3rd time I've seen him post.... but I still find it to see him post somethin'. @ Acousticgrrl... You crazy bizznitch, "nukkah"
victorsskull	Date: September 21, 2004 @ 7:39 PM I'de put a cap in some ones ass but Im wearing it right now
ChucKieX	Date: September 21, 2004 @ 9:39 PM ya just becuz i dont post dosent mean i dont read what goes on
kingo	Date: September 21, 2004 @ 10:18 PM Why does ChuckieX (with various capitulations of letters thrown around in there for good measure) only have, like, 1000 points? Shouldn't there be some massive points going to ChuckieX since he's saving the site and saving rock 'n' roll and bringing world piece to our screaming masses and giving some kick-ass backrubs and exploding onto the pop scene and selling twenty million records and buying a buncha bling and hotdogs and potato chips and driving fancy cars all up and down this strip and showing the world what dmusic's made of and all that? I mean 1000 points. Come on, this point system's gotta be all effed up.
kingo	Date: September 21, 2004 @ 10:19 PM (World Piece, by the way, ROCKS.)
onewhodreams	Date: September 21, 2004 @ 10:36 PM @halaka
kyodylee	Date: September 22, 2004 @ 12:26 AM Taking the world, piece by piece!
victorsskull	Date: September 22, 2004 @ 12:30 AM chuck your boyz repeativly push the stream buttin on your songs witch is bull shit I caught some one today doin it stremed the same song 6 times in less then a frickin minute
Thunder-Net	Date: September 22, 2004 @ 12:35 AM Its funny to watch There is a download button on his songs. Must be hard to see
cosmicearthgirl	Date: September 22, 2004 @ 3:11 AM Hey! I want a kick-ass backrub! Oh and world piece.
boots2004	Date: September 22, 2004 @ 3:17 AM a nice piece of ass rub would be good also i wouldnt kick
ChucKieX	Date: September 22, 2004 @ 9:33 PM do u even get anything for having points? and buddy my boys dont listen to my music, i dont kno about u guys but i cant chill wit ppl that listen to my shit thats just wierd.
ChucKieX	Date: September 22, 2004 @ 9:35 PM n why do u guys keep thinking i get ppl or stream my own shit just to get higher listens? i dont care about the charts take me off i dont care. i just have my songs up for ppl that want to listen to it, its simple.
kyodylee	Date: September 22, 2004 @ 10:06 PM Ok, let me just play devil's advocate here. Chuckie, since you have decided to participate in these discussions, let me just ask you this. First, I will allow that your assertions about your music and standings are correct. Second, it is apparent that you do not promote yourself or your music here on site at DMusic. Your lack of very many points can attest to this. So, I think people here find it very confusing, especially those that spend a lot of time here promoting themselves, that your placement in the standings is so consistently high. What exactly is your secret then? I am not being sarcastic, I am asking a sincere question. How do you draw so many people to come to DMusic to listen to your music? Maybe others here could emulate your strategy. How about helping your fellow indie musicians out and clue them in on how you do it. Again, I am asking with all due respect and sincerity. I really do want to know. Thanks much.
kingo	Date: September 22, 2004 @ 10:41 PM there, somewhere. :twocents:" id="113123">I'm just going to jump back in here cuz that's what I always do. I think Fu-dog explained what the deal is with Chuckie. And it makes sense: apparently he's a live musician out playing shows and such. Though I know there are others like that on here who may not get as many hits here, so I'd love to hear Chuckie's take on answering your questions. But really I'm not confused by his standing in the charts, I just kind of treat it like a running joke. It's pretty clear that there are really only a handful of people who actively participate here. "Handful" has to be taken liberally, I guess... like 100 people, if that? And we all "actively participate" by commenting on each others' songs and the songs of others who aren't regulars. And that's no way to get big numbers of streams, really. There's a diminishing return thing going on there. I can talk til I'm blue in the fingers here about ZSammy and Cagey House and Quid Pro Quo and PancreasPuppet and Spiral Galaxy Collision and all I'm doing really is preaching to the converted. There aren't throngs of people reading what we talk about here and using it as a way to find new music. The listeners are out there, somewhere. :twocents:
Thunder-Net	Date: September 22, 2004 @ 10:41 PM He can switch his ip anytime he wants,thats how just kidding
victorsskull	Date: September 23, 2004 @ 12:32 AM sorry but when I see some one stream the same song 6 times in 4 minutes I know its all bull shit
Rodrica	Date: September 23, 2004 @ 4:47 AM I've been on this site over 2 years and anyone who knows me will recognise that I'm all for promoting EVERYONE'S music and providing an equal chance as far as possible. But we all have to bear in mind that as a site there are financial and competitive issues. Occasionally the admins will have no choice but to go with whatever pulls in the most money and/or creates the most interest/traffic on this site. Without those considerations we wouldn't have a site at all...and most people here benefit from all the publicity they get on here...FREE of charge. It's all about getting the balance right and the site's survival
leflaw	Date: September 23, 2004 @ 4:13 PM Chuckie's Ok by me.
ChucKieX	Date: September 23, 2004 @ 4:21 PM Trust me guys I understand completely why there r all these questions n shit about me and to answer u as truthly as i can, I honestly dont know myself why Im still on the charts. I never really bothered much with this site, I just used it to upload songs to stream to other places before when it worked. and then one day a friend msged me n told "hey ur the featured artist on dmusic" n thats wen i started taking dmusic seriously, i started telling people about dmusic and check out my site. I started putting it on my personal webpages. Inside cd covers. and basicly told anyone that ever asked me "where can i hear ur stuff?" as to the points n promoting myself here on dmusic, I dont. I dont kno nebody on dmusic so I assume all of my listeners are from the outside n register here in order to listen. And i understand many people here promote themselves outside as well, but within the city of toronto especially within my community, my name is very well known.(not trying to be cocky but it is the facts) it is not a secret or anything its common sense i guess, if u want people to listen to ur stuff u gotta get their attention, stand out from the rest of the crowd. go out and do ur thing until ur name, voice n sound is stuck in their head. n wen they listen to ur stuff if its good to them they'll tell their friends n their friends will listen to it to n so on. I honestly dont even kno what im doing half of the time so its funny to me when people think id go to desperate measures to cheat just to boost myself on a site in which nobody even knos who i am? as for the charts i could care less, u can keep me off of it i dont mind. all i've ever been doing around here is speaking for those who's voices cant be heard. maybe the fact that im an asian kid sparks intrest i dunno, i dunno nething. I just make music, spread the music, n sit back sorry if none of this made sense i typed this as fast as i could
imemine	Date: September 23, 2004 @ 4:37 PM Today’s episode, ChucKie arrives back at the site to set the record straight!
kingo	Date: September 23, 2004 @ 6:04 PM What I think is really, really cool is that people have been talking shit about chuckie on forums ever since I've been here and chuckie steps in here and doesn't sound even slightly offended, doesn't attack anyone back, and just answers the questions he was asked. That's the good shit. :tree:
Thunder-Net	Date: September 23, 2004 @ 8:19 PM I truely agree with halaka. He relpies with intelligent comments. He doesnt lash out at people even if they hate him, and he's pretty much a good guy about it. Its just shocking to see how he handles it because I probably wouldnt be as nice. I've noticed the same thing halaka is talking about along time ago. And its like I said before... More and More im starting to realize that its not chuckie that I have a problem with, Its his groupies that everyone else needs to address instead of him. I bet if you traced the ip on that kp-rep guy with chuckie... more then likey they wouldnt match. Im just taking a guess at that one anyways... When you look on how some of the "groupies" act towards chuckie, its quite possible that 1 or 2 of them would go to the extremes to get his music on top. Not all of them are bad, but the 4 or 3 members i've encountered have seriously the worst attitudes i've ever seen on dmusic. And to chuckie, sorry about the negative comments I've posted in the past. I still won't stream ur music though But you truely are a good person and your alright by me.
kyodylee	Date: September 23, 2004 @ 11:08 PM Chuckie, you said "I honestly dont know myself why Im still on the charts." Well, now I do know why and you answered it in your own post a few lines down. You said "i started telling people about dmusic and check out my site. I started putting it on my personal webpages. Inside cd covers. and basicly told anyone that ever asked me "where can i hear ur stuff?" Chuckie, this settles it for me. You are constantly promoting yourself and are out there getting your name known and doing whatever it takes. Thanks for being so honest and straightforward. And thanks for all you do to help promote DMusic. 1!
Jennae	Date: September 23, 2004 @ 11:35 PM the has spoken
victorsskull	Date: September 23, 2004 @ 11:37 PM think I will rename my self chuckieskull
Jennae	Date: September 24, 2004 @ 11:06 AM OMFG what about Chuckennae
imemine	Date: September 24, 2004 @ 11:52 AM ChucKiememine
kingo	Date: September 24, 2004 @ 1:23 PM Chulaka.
onewhodreams	Date: September 24, 2004 @ 1:55 PM Chuckurun
onewhodreams	Date: September 24, 2004 @ 1:55 PM Chuckwhodreams?
victorsskull	Date: September 24, 2004 @ 2:10 PM what have I done
ChucKieX	Date: September 24, 2004 @ 4:05 PM AHAHAH an army of chuckies oh god no
imemine	Date: September 24, 2004 @ 4:26 PM @ ChucKie.
victorsskull	Date: September 24, 2004 @ 10:30 PM nice to see you join in the forum chuckster
blacklieder	Date: September 25, 2004 @ 12:43 PM In ChucKieX's honor, I'm gonna go out and my off! After, self-promotion starts with self. Gonna go out and sell some CDs. ChucKlieder
moam	Date: September 25, 2004 @ 2:00 PM I've heard chuckie's songs, good rapping I think and it takes a lot of work and guts to make a music video. I think he is a great dmusic artist, always have. I have never been one to comment on much, though. -Mimic of a Chuck (I am now moac)
Jennae	Date: September 25, 2004 @ 6:43 PM
kyodylee	Date: September 27, 2004 @ 1:39 AM chuckody .... hmmmm .... wasn't he on Star Trek Voyager ...
Chu-Deezy	Date: September 28, 2004 @ 11:23 PM chudogg.dmusic.com peep it niggas!! its some mothafuckin' heat cuttys
victorsskull	Date: September 28, 2004 @ 11:32 PM that nigga shit has got to quit
DirectorPaul	Date: September 29, 2004 @ 10:57 AM I directed "You Got Beef" and I'm a Chuckie fan. I think the key to his success is that he works hard and doesn't have time for haters. His work speaks for itself, so the fans support him to the fullest extent by appreciating his music.
LilVIetBalla	Date: October 17, 2004 @ 2:32 AM O shit, is that reli paul N. ??????? damn, u got some nice directin man. keep makin those vids. ido u get paid er somin? or u do it just for fun?
kenlinder	Date: October 25, 2004 @ 7:38 AM It makes total sense that a person who is out constantly doing gigs, and who tells people about their dmusic site, is going to get traffic. To do well in music you have to perform for people, every chance you get. It gets your name and face out to the public and it help you to meet other musicians. I used to perform in public pretty much every weekend at a minimum. It got me noticed. People all over the Pacific Northwest thought that I lived in their city because I was always playing everyplace I could go. Now these days things are different for me (I don't have traffic on the web much) because I no longer am able to perform in public. I don't do gigs anymore because I can't (health problems). That is the way that the world of music and performance works (at least right now). It does not start with an mp3 on the web. It starts from the performer being seen - as often as possible. It is also very important to do all this while you are still young. Get established while you are young. Old farts like me (at 41) do not get noticed, do not get CD sales, and we tend to have too many responsibilities to constantly do gigs and tour. Families and mortgages are not very compatible with touring. So - do it while you are young!
Aznr3n3gad3	Date: October 30, 2004 @ 5:34 PM omg....im confused now
Distilled1	Date: October 30, 2004 @ 7:46 PM Silence...Then The Sun by Jessurun PLAY IT NOW and help move him off the top 20

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