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ryanwilliams	Date: December 6, 2004 @ 1:23 AM Top official says U.S. seeks Cuba's 'liberation' Saturday, December 4, 2004 By GEORGE GEDDA Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON -- President Bush will be committed during his second term to the "liberation of Cuba" by extending moral and political support to the Cuban people, a top State Department official said Friday. Roger Noriega, who heads the department's Latin American bureau, also said that once Fidel Castro is no longer in power, the United States is ready to support broad economic and political reform in Cuba "to ensure that vestiges of the regime don't hold on." Noriega noted that Washington has a blueprint for providing social, economic and other types of assistance to Cuba in the post-Castro era. The plan is spelled out in a report released last May and overseen by Secretary of State Colin Powell. The assistance depends on whether Cuba is on a democratic path and whether such assistance is requested. Noriega said that Castro's fragility at age 78 was underscored recently when he fractured a knee and an arm during a fall at a public event. With Castro's tumble, Noriega said, the Cuban people had to start thinking about their leader's mortality as well as their own lives. "The transition essentially is under way today," Noriega told a gathering of more than 200 people at an event sponsored by the Center for Strategic and International Studies. In recent days, Castro ordered the release of some prisoners who were facing long sentences following their convictions last year of collaborating with the United States in anti-regime activities. The Bush administration denied the allegation and said the detentions of 75 activists in March 2003 exposed the repressive nature of the regime. The prisoner releases appeared to have been the result of Spanish mediation and could lead to a thaw in Cuban relations with the Europe. Noriega said the Europeans should be engaging with the Cuban people rather than the Castro regime. He added that it was "cynical and evil" for Castro to detain people and then release them in exchange for diplomatic favors. As for the Europeans, he said, "making concessions to a regime like that is really a wrongheaded policy." ----------------------------- What the fuck?
Amp	Date: December 6, 2004 @ 12:41 PM altho i might sound dumb here...i think ima go wit Bush on this one...i gotta admit my ppl in Cuba are all going down the pisser...
mikenomn	Date: December 6, 2004 @ 7:36 PM "i gotta admit my ppl in Cuba are all going down the pisser..." Exhibit A: c0rnbI2ead I keed, I keed... But in all seriousness...We need to get our penis out of the world's collective vagina. Everywhere we try to "reform" government, etc. we end up pissing people off. I can just see the fun we'd encourage...though I doubt Bush would be able to include it in his war on terror...he'd do the same thing Clinton and others have done and just brush it under the rug as a "peace-keeping" mission. When in reality, we will end up starting a civil war, opening up our borders to "those poor refugees being brutalized by their own people" and then shutting it down with a cold fist when society gets annoyed with "all those damned insert racial stereotype here cubans."
MCCUBED	Date: December 6, 2004 @ 11:55 PM IN OTHER WORDS WE SHOULD MIND OUR OWN BUSINESS.
Woof	Date: December 7, 2004 @ 4:09 AM One definition of insanity, is the inability to learn from your mistakes. Thanks for the post, Ryan!
freddemillio	Date: December 11, 2004 @ 6:51 AM Right on Ryan !
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SilverShining	Date: December 18, 2004 @ 9:15 PM Granted the US can't fix every problem in the world, but it would be wonderful to see Fidel gone once and for all. Or do you think that the Cubans are too stupid, backwards, poor, whatever, to handle freedom? That's what's really behind the arguments -- some people are lesser men and don't deserve to be free. Let them rot. Let them scream. Let them be tortured, because, "It's none of our business." Or maybe you think Fidel's government is not the tyranny of a communist dictator. If you believe that, no doubt you mourned when the Berlin wall fell, too. Close your eyes and sleep, now. When the outside world finally intrudes on your fantasy, it will be the pounding knock of thugs speaking in other languages and promising peace, but carrying streetsweepers.
SilverShining	Date: December 18, 2004 @ 9:17 PM Here's to liberty in Cuba, and Fidel's head on a pike! May that murderer get exactly what he deserves!
johnnygnote	Date: December 19, 2004 @ 3:04 AM May all murderers get what they deserve (ALL) killing is killing and there is no excuse for it. It is the behaviour of lower sub creatures. Oh by the way Merry Christmas, Peace on Earth and Good will to all People.
mikenomn	Date: December 19, 2004 @ 3:42 PM "Or do you think that the Cubans are too stupid, backwards, poor, whatever, to handle freedom? That's what's really behind the arguments -- some people are lesser men and don't deserve to be free. Let them rot. Let them scream. Let them be tortured, because, 'It's none of our business.'" No no, you're putting words in my mouth. What I'm saying is that it's not our role or responsibility to decide the future of Cuba AFTER Fidel is gone. Let the people do so. Of course Fidel is a horrible dictator. Of course it will be great when he's out of power. But when he is, we should not take the role of world dictator and storm in with our own idea of what their future should be. "When the outside world finally intrudes on your fantasy, it will be the pounding knock of thugs speaking in other languages and promising peace, but carrying streetsweepers." I'm...I'm speechless. In one sentence you have just completely discredited and lumped the entire world together in a simple-minded us vs. them view. Yes there are "thugs speaking other languages...but carrying streetsweepers" but they are not as prevalent as you may imply. And most of them are that way because of American foreign policy...the same one we're debating about right now. I'm not saying it's right for them to be that way, but it's understandable. Basically I'm saying, "Down with Fidel" along with you. But the people of Cuba are just as able-minded and able-bodied as you or I. They can make decisions for their own future and will. We don't need to go into Cuba and do it for them after this dick is gone.
Cryxan	Date: December 19, 2004 @ 4:01 PM I'm against anything that's going to bring more illegal immigrants into the US.
sinai	Date: December 19, 2004 @ 4:38 PM however, paying every genius from every other country in the world out the ass to come work here, is perfectly fine.
figfarmer	Date: December 20, 2004 @ 7:24 PM Ummm, didn't they try Canada, Vietnam and Cuba a couple of times before and never succeeded? I hope they don't try tomorrow though. My sister and niece are there on vacation and they'll be pissed off.
zedsalt	Date: December 20, 2004 @ 11:03 PM Dear Lord! Isn't it heartbreaking that we have an administration that makes guessing games like this valid? Are we hittin' North Korea first or Iran? Maybe Syria? Cuba? Isn't it sad that while there IS a North American country that, in terms of human rights, health care, etc., is getting closer to our founding fathers' ideals, and it's NOT the U.S.? Isn't it pitiful that the man overseeing all of this...and the rape of the environment, the destruction of the economy, etc...was re-elected by well-meaning, good-hearted people who had been duped into thinking he was the MORE moral choice?!?
sinai	Date: December 20, 2004 @ 11:06 PM well meaning or not, it doesn't make their quaker humpin, bible thumpin, "what's going on in your house that i wont like?" asses any less fucking stupid.
sinai	Date: December 20, 2004 @ 11:08 PM kidnapping german scientists to make a nuclear bomb...perfectly fine. mexican jumps a fence to flip hamburgers and feed his family...a crime against humanity. fuck nationalism, we're all in this together. all of us
jayke	Date: December 21, 2004 @ 4:13 AM i thought this was a fucking music site.not no fucking news confrence i look for things like music on the internent to get out of reality. you all screwed that entire plan up by posting bullshit like this!yeah i hate terrorist to but i listen to music to quit caring it is not my problem it is fucking bushes so i dont care as soon as it effects me thats when ill buy a fucking gun to protect myself! until then music is my getaway!
ryanwilliams	Date: December 29, 2004 @ 7:11 PM Um, hi Jayke. Check it out, there's no music in the forums. Like, you click on any of the forum headers, you won't find a fucking stitch of music. Not a single note, melody or chord. You might find some links here and there, but, on the whole, the forums are for talking about shit, not listening to shit. If you'd like to only talk about music, then feel free to visit the "MUSIC" forum, because.. well, I think it kind of explains itself.
Pagan	Date: February 20, 2005 @ 12:01 AM Iran,north korea, then cuba. in that order.unless some other terrorist does something major in the US.
TameasDust	Date: February 20, 2005 @ 5:26 AM the world should save time .... all declare war on the usa ... then shortly thereafter surrender and go on welfare ...
zedsalt	Date: February 20, 2005 @ 10:33 AM A global "Mouse that Roared" scenario? Don't give 'em any ideas, T.D.
MindSculpture	Date: February 21, 2005 @ 7:32 AM Why not invade Antarctica? Those penguins are looking awfully shifty. I bet they've all been collectively jumping up and down to break off those massive floating icebergs...my guess is the whitehouse already have intelligence that says the bergs can hit us in under 45 minutes! There are satellite pictures showing thoses little black and white buggers amassing WMDs and stashing them inside giant snowmen. (honest) The fascist regime of the emperor penguin must fall!!! the are oppressing the walrus's...yes that's it...we will liberate the walrus's (just think of all the oil they got under that ice ) ....ok I made that bit up..... walrus live in the Arctic.
BOWILLIE	Date: February 21, 2005 @ 10:41 AM wow some pretty heavy thoughts going on...its funny no one mentioned religion. thats what started the crap from the getgo.it lit the fuse in the middle east when u.s. helped isreal creat a jewish state in the 50s...and as for syria ,saudi,iran,turkey and every one else- they are still pissed off about it..sure some are now considerd u.s. allies .. but i think if bush has the balls to deal with syria and iran.. they'll all stab us in the back... birds of a feather flock together..meanwhile korea is rubbing our face in thiere own nuke program..russia selling tech. to iran...china -s dont fuck with korea attitude. all a pretty good brew for ww 3. and yes cuba will become a democracy wether they wan't to or not...remember what happened to kennedy?
MindSculpture	Date: February 21, 2005 @ 5:41 PM I had to laugh at the BBC news there... the presenter said "more on President Bush's trip to Brussels later on in the programe" You didn't get it - read the first part again.
ryanwilliams	Date: February 22, 2005 @ 8:52 AM That's hot, sphinx.
BOWILLIE	Date: February 22, 2005 @ 8:45 PM i am the walrus...
Svensta	Date: February 23, 2005 @ 11:23 AM "Isn't it sad that while there IS a North American country that, in terms of human rights, health care, etc., is getting closer to our founding fathers' ideals, and it's NOT the U.S.?" You ARE talking about Cuba aren't you??? Care to back up such with any documented studies whatsoever? The Founding Fathers never wrote a single treatise regarding health care from my studies. You know different? Chapter please.