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0Hz	Date: July 8, 2005 @ 8:19 PM I think that as dmusic is the best independent music site on the web that there should be a thread which recoginises the politics of music.We should be able to debate how music can be best represented within political and economical restraints. I have seen very little activity on this site with regard to the bombings in London or even the Make Poverty History concerts. So it makes me think that Dmusic is do wrapped up in copyright issues and P2P. I dare say it but, wake up dmusic, independent music should always be one step ahead.
AbortiveMind	Date: July 8, 2005 @ 8:44 PM Well, I'll have to announce you that you're wrong, there's been quite enough response about those attacks and the Live8 concert... if you had signed up yesterday, you would have noticed
0Hz	Date: July 8, 2005 @ 9:00 PM Thanks abortivemind "if you had signed up yesterday, you would have noticed" I'm not sure what you mean by this, however whatever has been stated on this site should be easily available no matter where you are entering the site from.
0Hz	Date: July 8, 2005 @ 9:44 PM In fact lets look at the news posts for 07/07/05 DMusic's 2005 Battle Tournament! The Truth behind the small cap on the modem. Welcome Back Hilbert Melodyne uno Version 1.1.2 so.. It don't cut it as far as I'm concerned. Attacks on freedom are attacks on music. Wake up !
AbortiveMind	Date: July 8, 2005 @ 10:10 PM Well, the shoutbox was full of it, and a lot of Dm-members got a lil' word of hope as they had family or relatives in London, but i can't tell you if there was something on the forum as i haven't been lookin' for it, and at Smooka's page (or maybe under the nickname Bedouin, can't remember which one) you can see that the beautiful pic he made for london's still there...
AbortiveMind	Date: July 8, 2005 @ 10:13 PM here's the link: Bedouin's user page
onewhodreams	Date: July 9, 2005 @ 12:02 AM Yeah, I have to say there was a lot going on in the community shoutbox as well as personal journals. And I don't think anyone was purposefully neglecting the discussion on it. So let's talk OHz...
AbortiveMind	Date: July 9, 2005 @ 4:44 AM Tell us what's on your mind...
Dexter	Date: July 9, 2005 @ 5:29 AM I'm probably going to regret this but: = @
AbortiveMind	Date: July 9, 2005 @ 10:47 AM Never regret your personal opinion!! It's a free site ya know
chrismacmanus	Date: July 9, 2005 @ 11:50 AM Why do you think that independent musicians should be discussing this? I don't need to hear the opinions of people here, a lot of the political stuff I have read on this site in the past is has not exactly been the past intelectually stimulating reading. Yes, everybody is entitled to their opinion, but if we don't want to share it, why should we have to? This is a music website - and music doesn't need to be political all of the time.
chrismacmanus	Date: July 9, 2005 @ 11:50 AM And the way I just wrote that isn't exactly intelectually stimulating reading either
BlackMage	Date: July 9, 2005 @ 5:54 PM @ chrismacmanus
FraDonaghy	Date: July 9, 2005 @ 6:03 PM Well said Chris. Express your opinion if you want - you are more than welcome, but don't demand other people to do the same. People deal with trauma in different ways, and what happened in London is in no way going to be benefitted by us talking about it.
SimonWaldram	Date: July 9, 2005 @ 6:19 PM That's not necessarily true. I think we have to wake up to what our governments are doing. As far I can see they are deliberately perpetuating this 'war in terror' in order to serve their own agendas. The day after the bombings Charles Clarke said that ID cards wouldn't have prevented this, but we better have them anyway to make sure this doesn't happen again, and the government is now rushing through a raft of anti-terror legislation which will do curb our civil liberties but most likely do nothing to stop terrorism. And why are they acting like this was out of the blue when there was a bomb scare in Sheffield 2 days before and Benjamin Netanyahu - who was in London - changed his plans because he was warned about the blast (but the British people were not)? Blair was warned by British intelligence before the Iraq war that involvement there would only bring more terrorism to Britain and now look at the state we're in. And where will this ‘war’ take us next? Iran? At least now they have an excuse to keep troops in Iraq – and just as we were going to start pulling them out too, how very convenient. I tell you, I've never been so angry and disillusioned in my life as I am right now.
FraDonaghy	Date: July 9, 2005 @ 8:35 PM Yes, all valid points and you are perfectly right to point them out. No-one is disputing that there are issues that people may want to discuss, what people are objecting to is OHz's demand that it is made into an issue for the whole site (A music site, based in the US). People come here to express themselves musically, and escape the politics etc of the world. Political expression can be aired elsewhere, and it should not be expected here. Though I say it again, politics may be catered for by this community, it is not the reason we come to dmusic.
SimonWaldram	Date: July 10, 2005 @ 6:38 AM He isn't saying it should be made into an issue for the whole site, his words were: "there should be a thread which recoginises the politics of music" A thread, not a radical overhaul of the whole site. I think it's an excellent idea, and that there would be nothing wrong in having a part of the site where people can go - if they want to - to see how their music can benefit their political opinions and concerns.
0Hz	Date: July 20, 2005 @ 7:31 PM ^OutsiderMusician, you hit the nail on the head, cheers, and I agree with your appraisal in the earlier post too. I think where I am going with this is.. I wish dmusic could embrace the international community more, after all there are so many things going on apart from DRM and P2P.
chrismacmanus	Date: July 21, 2005 @ 5:28 AM Fair enough
Svensta	Date: July 21, 2005 @ 8:15 AM Look, Tameas has started about 6 threads on farting, so I don't think ANYONE would mind some geo-political discussion as well. As for your last post, 0hz, its really beyond the ken of DMusic to 'embrace the international community' in regards to anything other than music. This was a site created with a purpose, and that purpose is to evangelize the new paradigm and new business model of music as a way of life. If you dilute your goal with many other (understandably noble) aims, you tend to get nowhere on any of them. I think asking DMusic to be more of a force and platform for geopolitical situations is a bit of a stretch. Isn't it enough for you to be able to hit the forums and talk about anything under the sun?
Intergalacti...	Date: July 21, 2005 @ 1:15 PM I may have done somethin but I have been very busy as there has been another couple today and my brother is actually out there I'm worryin myself shitless why dont he just bloody come home.
0Hz	Date: July 21, 2005 @ 4:11 PM I'm worryin myself shitless why dont he just bloody come home ^I'm guessing hes back as the devices thankfully didn't cause any fatalities this time Svensta I think asking DMusic to be more of a force and platform for geopolitical situations is a bit of a stretch. ^I wouldn't go quite that far Isn't it enough for you to be able to hit the forums and talk about anything under the sun? ^good point, that'll do for me.
AgentMGD	Date: July 21, 2005 @ 4:51 PM I was worried too since one of the stations closed today(the Oval)is near where my fiance lives in Kennington, London. I'm also frightened because soon I'll be moving there. Yes I'm concerned about my safety as well as my children too however - I'm not going to let some terrorist(s) ruin my happiness and spoil our wedding plans.
ChillinBuzz	Date: July 22, 2005 @ 8:07 AM im glad i dont live in the capital as i fear this is just the start of a campaign of terror in my country but my gf's daughter lives along one of the routes that was blasted and now the bombers are prepared to do this regularly the worry will be constant the joke is these ppl are born and raised in this country and are of the growing minorities intent on being known as "native" or English - though they rarely take on the native definition, they dont say "British" they say "Muslim" more often than not when in fact they ARE "British" if they have the right to live here, what do we do with ppl who incite or commit acts of terror who LIVE here as did the bombers? the greatest threat is within the borders and no amount of anti-terror laws will stop it. for every person they catch there will be another to take his/her place.
roachone	Date: July 27, 2005 @ 11:30 PM Hey everyone, when we are hit with a major bomb, then maybe you will see things as they truely are!!! This is not just about music, it's about something called FREEDOM!!!!Don't some of you realize that our kind of music is exactly what the terrorist HATE!!! Strange to me, that most groups today seem to be on the other side!!! Just my my way of looking at this, NO FAN OF ANY POLITICIAN!!!!
Intergalacti...	Date: July 28, 2005 @ 7:45 AM Apart from the obvious attacks has America been hit with many of these bombs?
imemine	Date: July 28, 2005 @ 1:45 PM Not post 9-11 I don’t think. It’s really only a matter of time though.

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