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Enough with the covers!!!!!!!!!!!!!

destructured	Date: September 21, 2005 @ 5:51 PM Okay, the covers are starting to get out of hand. Especially Green Day covers. Look at the pop-punk charts. 14 of the top 20 listens are Green Day covers. The best thing about DMusic, when I joined, was the community. Now that community is nonexistant; indepedent artists are not even getting noticed, due to the excess of covers in the charts. Is this really what DMusic has come to? Do people here only want to listen to covers? If so, that's pretty sad, in my opinion. I'm glad that DMusic allows the posting of covers. Quite frankly, though, I think that right is being terribly abused.
promiscuousr...	Date: September 21, 2005 @ 5:54 PM Exactly! Let the original artists get their music heard!
BOWILLIE	Date: September 21, 2005 @ 5:55 PM amen to that.
BlackMage	Date: September 21, 2005 @ 6:00 PM I'm sure that this hasn't been discussed about hundreds of times before this. "Is this really what DMusic has come to?" If you mean that people post their own plaid music here, then yes, unfortunately DM has come to this point. There are tens of Metallica covers out there, lotsa Iron Maiden, lots of anything. The people who have majority of their songs as covers aren't even part of the actual community here. They've just posted some covers they thought are cool (even tho' they are mostly shit) If you want original punk rock here then just browse the artist lists. Problem solved. Covers are music too.
destructured	Date: September 21, 2005 @ 6:08 PM Lunitari, my concern isn't that the covers exist. The problem is that, if you take a look at the charts, the people getting the most listens are covers. People, in general, are not giving original artists a chance. My band has only gotten 6-7 listens to our latest online EP, which has been out for a month, and about which I have tried to spread the word on the forums, shoutbox, etc. When you see nothing but covers in the charts, what does that tell you? The original music is being ignored...and that's what bothers me. There's tons of great music here on Dmusic, and people don't even bother to listen. If DMusic ever considered taking away the right to do covers, I think I'd honestly support it 100%. Either that, or there needs to be a seperate genre for cover songs. I can understand the thrill of learning your favorite band's songs and recreating them. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. But is it fair that DMusic - which is intended to be a place for independent artists to share their music with others - is turning into Cover Song Hell? I don't think so. My complaint isn't so much about the artists posting the covers. It's the listeners who aren't giving artists a chance...though posting one Green Day cover after another is certainly not helping.
Drycen	Date: September 21, 2005 @ 6:11 PM I agree, there should be like a covers sub-class.
GeneHilbert	Date: September 21, 2005 @ 6:13 PM And most of this is because of self streaming........ just to keep their names right where they are...... and draw attention to themselves....... this is the same mentality as the spammers........ Oooh …. I probably shouldn’t open that can of worms in here……. But hey…. it’s applicable…..
Drycen	Date: September 21, 2005 @ 6:16 PM I agree, there should be like a covers sub-class.
BOWILLIE	Date: September 21, 2005 @ 6:17 PM dont say that word..lol.. ive been playing live for years..mainly cover tunes.. i dont see much point in uploading them here.. once you heard the tune..youve heard it..regardless of the many diff.ways it could be done.. i vote for originality.
K3VIN	Date: September 21, 2005 @ 6:22 PM Originality all the way
Distilled1	Date: September 21, 2005 @ 7:00 PM this is the trouble first guitar first set of songs and that fantasy of being that Rock Star, Its such a exciting time, share it with your friends in YOUR house not to the world! If they were the artist (and I use that term very loosly) rendetion of the song and not a bad first try It would be diffrent. "My complaint isn't so much about the artists posting the covers. It's the listeners who aren't giving artists a chance...though posting one Green Day cover after another is certainly not helping" Ibelive its just all there little brothers and sisters friends :nod: I gave up on charts years ago at the old MP3.com even after being in #1 above a major lable band... They do not truly reflect the talent of the artist at any music site. and I agree it takes the new "user" away from any new music and they never come back, they figure this is the best at the site:( very sad:nod:" id="159886">"I can understand the thrill of learning your favorite band's songs and recreating them. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. But is it fair that DMusic - which is intended to be a place for independent artists to share their music with others - is turning into Cover Song Hell? I don't think so." this is the trouble first guitar first set of songs and that fantasy of being that Rock Star, Its such a exciting time, share it with your friends in YOUR house not to the world! If they were the artist (and I use that term very loosly) rendetion of the song and not a bad first try It would be diffrent. "My complaint isn't so much about the artists posting the covers. It's the listeners who aren't giving artists a chance...though posting one Green Day cover after another is certainly not helping" Ibelive its just all there little brothers and sisters friends I gave up on charts years ago at the old MP3.com even after being in #1 above a major lable band... They do not truly reflect the talent of the artist at any music site. and I agree it takes the new "user" away from any new music and they never come back, they figure this is the best at the site very sad
FraDonaghy	Date: September 21, 2005 @ 8:00 PM How about if we removed the charts from the site then? They don't seem to serve any purpose any way, and it would help us finally get rid of the self streamers and draw attenion away from the forementioned covers. Just a suggestion.
BOWILLIE	Date: September 21, 2005 @ 8:05 PM i agree..i rarily keep up with charts here..its a mute point.
K3VIN	Date: September 21, 2005 @ 8:27 PM I like to see how good my songs are doing.. but i always see chuckie and stuff at the top -_-
kingo	Date: September 21, 2005 @ 8:36 PM do the charts actually go beyond the top 20 or whatever's listed? I've never checked.
JasonJSmoke	Date: September 21, 2005 @ 8:40 PM A covers sub genre would be great
DeadraveN	Date: September 21, 2005 @ 9:47 PM Yeah, we've been through this "covers and charts" debate plenty of times, but hell maybe once more won't hurt. I'd also cast my vote in for a cover 'genre' or 'sub genre', but I also think it'd help if the site were redisigned slightly to make the genres more easily accessed to the common surfer.. hell, I've been here browsing for a long time, and I still get lost clinking through links sometimes. as far as the 'self streaming' goes, I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, but I think I remember someone saying that that problem is being looked into already... another suggestion would be to put more emphasis on 'ratings' like the 'thumbsup/down thing... maybe encourage listeners to start using those, then base the charts off what people actually like, as opposed to what gets played... but then again, I'm sure that system would get gamed just as bad... ahhh seems like a vicious cycle sometimes, no?
GeneHilbert	Date: September 21, 2005 @ 10:31 PM The charts are kewl........... but unfortunately the results are skewed because of self streaming....... Disconnect the user from his/her/it’s own total count and problem solved....... NEXT.........
K3VIN	Date: September 21, 2005 @ 10:35 PM or just ip it.. ip can play it once a day
K3VIN	Date: September 21, 2005 @ 10:35 PM or just ip it.. ip can play it once a day
perkie1973	Date: September 21, 2005 @ 10:50 PM Cover Queen and proud.... INTERACTION How do I get people to interact with me and/or listen to my music? Interact with them! One way is to explore the forums and get involved with discussions. It doesn’t take long for people to notice new users and start talking to them. Another way is to utilize the site’s shoutboxes. Listening to and commenting on artists’ music often helps, too. After people are users for a little while, they quickly absorb the community atmosphere of DMusic and welcome the newcomers.
Woof	Date: September 22, 2005 @ 4:05 AM IMHO, it works the opposite to what folks usually believe, when they sign on to a site like this... People don't get noticed because they've got a high chart position. People who are popular in the regular flesh-and-blood world, get traffic as a result. Websites are a great adjunct to promotion, but not really a great avenue to promotion, in and of themselves. Even major media people... everyone from CNN to major label artists mention their websites regularly, in some way... it's a nice extra something to offer your fans, for convenience... but first, you've gotta get the fans. That doesn't happen by making contacts on the web. And it sure doesn't happen because you do a Green Day cover... or TWELVE Green Day covers... it happens because you're hangin out with your college buddies, and they're all streaming your stuff 'cause they've all got computers, and they like you. And so then you rise to the top of the DMusic charts... and then what? Has there EVER been an artist who got signed because they were on the top of ANY website's charts? I sure don't know of any... The important thing is, we've got a hell of a community... mostly made up of folks who just are having a ball enjoying the creative process... that's rock & roll... and the heck with the stats, or how many comments you get, or who else gets attention, and for what. You either dig it, or you don't. And listen to Perkie... she's great!!!!!
Burnthand	Date: September 22, 2005 @ 6:52 AM I think that covers are music too, and also a great way to improve with the songwriting... the problem is that sometimes people don´t pay attention to all the great music here at Dmusic. Nowadays the important thing is not music itself. Now the important thing are hits!! this community is great because we enjoy with our music, and i agree with woof, we shouldn´t pay attention to the stats. Just enjoy with our MUSIC, it doesn´t matter if are covers or not!!!
blueyes2112	Date: September 22, 2005 @ 7:02 AM I agree with you on the fact that a vast amout of covers are the same tracks over and over again, which does get a little boring to listen to. However I do think covers if done in a different/original style can be very valuble in displaying that musicians are exactly that and not just covering note by note another musicians music. I do have a number of covers on my page for the main reason that I dont always have enough time to sit and write music but anyway!!!!
deerok	Date: September 22, 2005 @ 10:00 AM i support the idea of original content, sharing and not competing, interaction in the forums as a means of driving people to your page, and relevant feedback as opposed to spamming... feel free to spam the shoutbox if you need your 'look at me' fix...that's what i do. the unfortunate reality of this site in it's current incarnation is that covers are the most effective way to drive people to your page - the unfortunate side effect is that people generally don't have the interest/attention span to look through your originals. i have found that posting honest opinions and suggestions for improvement on others' pages has given me the most feedback on my own stuff... it's not all bad though, i have been able to create some interaction with regulars/artists... so, with that said, these are concerns of mine rather than complaints since i have no complaints about receiving free space on a streaming server to keep my motivation up and my guitar in hand... cheers, d
hantu	Date: September 22, 2005 @ 10:21 AM isn't it because people use search engines just general people and they search for say "green day" and down the list at some point come to the dmusic cover someone done... so they get loads of external listens... thats why i thought they are always on top... i can't imagine why actualy dmers would want to listen to covers so much, i really don't think its us... or maybe i am completely wrong
FraDonaghy	Date: September 22, 2005 @ 10:29 AM I agree ShamProd... personally I would have to really lik eyou as an artist to check out any covers you had on your page. When I go to listen to other people's tracks I like to hear something new, inspiring or even if its crap... it was still worth the listen because it was original. I have no idea why so many people check out the flood of Nirvana, Green day or The Darkness covers here The original tunes are so much better.
FraDonaghy	Date: September 22, 2005 @ 10:31 AM Wow... I just thought of an ironic analogy... Much like when people are in bed together they complain about their partner hogging the covers, here at Dmusic the problem is that the covers are hogging all the people ...shut up Fra
DeadraveN	Date: September 22, 2005 @ 10:58 AM fra, I like you... but c'mon... just give yourself the wedgie for that one. j/k....
FraDonaghy	Date: September 22, 2005 @ 11:01 AM :wedgie:
BOWILLIE	Date: September 22, 2005 @ 11:04 AM thats what is missing in the emoticon list..the wedgie.. ive seen them on other.. not to be named sites..
jack	Date: September 22, 2005 @ 12:43 PM maybe it'd be a cool idea if streaming your own songs didnt add to the chart rating.
kingo	Date: September 22, 2005 @ 12:56 PM I don't think anyone's actually explained whether or not streaming your own tracks (or streaming a single track multiple times from a single machine) DOES affect the chart ratings.
shadowself	Date: September 22, 2005 @ 1:09 PM Covers distract from original plays? Come on. I have a mix of covers and originals on my page. deerok made a lot of points that IU was going to make. My originals have received hundreds and hundreds of plays, and have gathered tons of great comments - far, far more than my covers. The covers have attracted some of the listeners to my site, but they have stayed around to listen to the originals. If you want people to listen to your music, listen to theirs and comment on it. Leave shouts in shoutboxes. Post on the forums. It's about promotion - if you're not doing it, you won't get the listens you want. The charts, though... I never use them. This place is not about competition to me. I learned very early that the charts here mean nothing at all. And I have self-streamed quite a few times, but usually when I want to hear a particular song. I had assumed that when I was logged in, it would not count towards my own plays. I have never once checked the charts to see if I ever made it to them. Don't know, don't care.
jack	Date: September 22, 2005 @ 1:26 PM Well I assume it does. I'd confirm it if I could remember where the code is..
GeneHilbert	Date: September 22, 2005 @ 1:38 PM It does - it's all locked together..... I know there has been talk about fixing this in the past.... but I can only assume that with everything else that has to be done to maintain this site..... it is not a priority at this time........ They'll get there .......
jack	Date: September 22, 2005 @ 1:52 PM I'll check it out properly when I finish what I'm working on at the moment. The codebase can be quite confusing to navigate at times but judging from the code I did look it doesnt appear to check whether you own the song or not. It should be an easy fix, but I'll wait until some authority is around before I make any changes to the code.
Intergalacti...	Date: September 23, 2005 @ 2:54 PM Personally I don'ty see the point about the charts when I first arrived I uploaded about fiteen songs all crap quality but simply because I was friendly with a few number of people I hit number one with one of my songs. To newbies they means something but they are devalued after you've been on here a month. However I do think that there should be more chances of the under-rated artists to get more publishing for example I know we have the DM picks and some get displayed on the front page and I agree with all those that are put as a Dm pick all very talented but for eg ICF I think is amazing and its the younger, less produced artists that i think should be shown more of on front pages obviously not the poo ones because if they are seriously untalented then i don't see the point but those who have talent but no production or somethin i dont know what im tryin to say but im sayin it somehow.
Rodrica	Date: September 24, 2005 @ 5:23 PM In my opinion, charts are sometimes more about who's "popular" rather than who is considered the best musician. And that is so of charts everywhere - signed and unsigned. Charts should only be viewed in this context and not taken as an absolute guide to success. Remember popularity can be bought or increased by means of self (or other) promotion and marketing. Do not rely on an internet chart to promote yourself...undertake other more tried and trusted (and measurable) methods. Covers...I don't do covers myself but I still respect the musicianship of those who do. Please bear in mind that we have ALL kinds of artists here at DM...professional, semi-professional and amateur. Many are here because they are a live act who, because of audience demands, have to peform a certain number of covers. Their presence on DM is often to promote their live act/gigs and therefore the music they upload will reflect their set. Like it or not...that's the nitty gritty of the business end of music.
AbortiveMind	Date: September 24, 2005 @ 7:54 PM Amen to that Rodrica
bender	Date: September 24, 2005 @ 9:16 PM well every once in a while a cover aint bad as long as it sounds good but it doesnt work if that is all you do
TameasDust	Date: September 24, 2005 @ 10:00 PM Covers are well covers ... nice if done right ... a real bugger if not ... but what really bugs me are these people who drop off their music and NEVER EVER come back ....
realmouse	Date: September 25, 2005 @ 4:02 AM I love originals they're my own. Are we not infringing on copyrights by downloading covers.
Traf	Date: September 25, 2005 @ 9:52 AM There's nothing wrong with covers if that's what you want to do.. A lot of tremendous musicians and artist do covers. In England you only have to look at Joe Cocker for instance... he's never written a song in his life, but his versions of other peoples music are made virtually his own.. and are often much better than the original.. I don't see much point in doing a cover and trying to make it sound like the original, there's just no point to that, but if people use their creativity and originality on one, what's wrong with that... We go and see the large orchestra's doing popular classical works don't we? We don't expect the Royal Philharmonic to write their own pieces.. and anyway, I like hear what people can do with songs that I know.. and also, I've heard quite a few covers on here of songs that I don't know and that's been interesting.. so my opinion is, for what it's worth.... do covers if you want.. and if people wanna listen to them, then that's ok... I agree a it would be a great idea to have a sub class for covers though..
BOWILLIE	Date: September 25, 2005 @ 10:25 AM yea..i agree.. i may do a cover..just for the hell of it.. have never put one up here.. hmmmm..
Hatsy	Date: September 25, 2005 @ 12:20 PM Amen to Rodrica
SimonWaldram	Date: September 25, 2005 @ 5:08 PM Didn't someone write a song about this issue? Led Zeppelin Cover (a Tribute to the DMusic Top 20 Listens Chart)
Intergalacti...	Date: September 25, 2005 @ 5:39 PM Rodrica is a goddess
GeneHilbert	Date: September 25, 2005 @ 9:58 PM You sure got that right.....
killtrix	Date: September 25, 2005 @ 10:38 PM I justed joined today and i was a little disappointed at all the covers on here(Mind you some were well done.) I still enjoyed my first day, and more then likely i will stick around. Cool site, less covers.
GeneHilbert	Date: September 25, 2005 @ 10:40 PM Well don't listen to the fuckin' things........ Next
killtrix	Date: September 26, 2005 @ 12:29 AM Well don't listen to the fuckin' things........ Next Thanks for the fuckin' advice....you are the clever one!
GeneHilbert	Date: September 26, 2005 @ 12:48 AM One must try....... to apply
Rodrica	Date: September 26, 2005 @ 7:04 AM Intergalactic & Gene... Must have been something I said...
Intergalacti...	Date: September 26, 2005 @ 10:42 AM Well it wasn't something you did.... to my knowledge anyway :thinking: hehe
shadowself	Date: September 26, 2005 @ 10:51 AM I'm with Gene, actually. For instance, I don't like hip-hop... so I don't listen to it. I don't, however, trash the people who make it. I don't whine and moan that hip-hop songs get more play than my originals (which they do). I don't gripe that hip-hop is more popular than the style of music I do (which it is). Charts are hardly about how good the music is. They reflect how many people you can convince to listen to your music. They rank advertising ability only, not the quality of the music. If the charts mean so bloody much, then why not post on other forums asking people to listen to your music?
kingo	Date: September 26, 2005 @ 10:55 AM The charts r0x0rz.
imemine	Date: September 26, 2005 @ 11:03 AM Gawd---not this again! r0x0rz!1!11!!1!!!!!11!!
southwing	Date: September 26, 2005 @ 11:48 AM Yea, down with covers. But first go listen to ours and than don't listen to anymore covers. http://kms.dmusic.com/ :totalyshamelessplugembarresesbo:
Rodrica	Date: September 27, 2005 @ 5:29 AM Interg...I'm saying nuthin about what I did...
GTOriginal	Date: October 1, 2005 @ 3:32 PM Once upon a time, I posted a song parody on a different web site (no names ahem) and was flamed to death for it, aside from being threatened with banning and whatnot. I have a couple cover tunes posted here, but they are not allowed anywhere else on the internet to my knowledge. I consider this one of the many advantages DMusic as over other sites. Nothing wrong with a cover tune. I guess classical musicians are not allowed to play a piece by Mozart, and bluegrass musicians can no longer do their favorite Flat/Skruggs number. In fact those particular genres may as well evaporate right now. And, Rodrica is 100% correct - many different artist levels and objectives here. Personally I don't know a single person who learned to play their first instrument without covering something, and I really don't understand why it should be a problem, unless the artist is trying to rip off the cover tune & call it their own. Just my opinion there. GT
shadowself	Date: October 1, 2005 @ 3:39 PM I just did another cover. NYAH!
kingo	Date: October 1, 2005 @ 6:57 PM
SimonWaldram	Date: October 1, 2005 @ 7:48 PM My song was very tongue-in-cheek for anyone who might be suggesting that it was just a bitter winge. I played covers for years before I started writing songs and I wouldn't been able to start writing my own songs without them. Having said that I still don't see the point in uploading things like instrumental versions of 'Smells Like Teen Spirit', but that's just me.
GTOriginal	Date: October 1, 2005 @ 8:23 PM OK, that does it! I have just replaced all my original songs on this site with covers of all my original songs on this site! So, put that in your pipe and smoke it.
SimonWaldram	Date: October 1, 2005 @ 8:33 PM And all of my songs from now on are going to be covers of Backstreet Boys, Celine Dion and Charles Manson songs.
kingo	Date: October 1, 2005 @ 8:59 PM There's only one song, and we're all covering it. Please pretend someone else said that when you realize how stupid it is.
GTOriginal	Date: October 1, 2005 @ 9:07 PM Hehe if I start playing, and everybody covers their ears, does that count???
Snoogans775	Date: October 2, 2005 @ 6:08 AM no, it involves linens.
Traf	Date: October 2, 2005 @ 7:41 AM So what happens if one of us Dmusic members does a cover of another Dmusic members song... Would the people who don't want to hear covers still be against that? Or are you saying you have to be a sogwriter and can't just be a musician on this site? Cause there are some tremedous musicians that just can not write songs, and I reckon they should be just as welcome here..
mountmoney	Date: October 2, 2005 @ 11:21 AM what?
GeneHilbert	Date: October 2, 2005 @ 11:37 AM Traf.......... that's what I'm talkin' 'bout.......
BOWILLIE	Date: October 2, 2005 @ 11:41 AM good answer traf.. there are many facets to musicianship..they all should be welcomed with open arms.
leflaw	Date: October 2, 2005 @ 4:25 PM Go listen to sonsoface.dmusic.com and tell me again this bullshit about covers.
Traf	Date: October 2, 2005 @ 5:53 PM Thanks leflaw... That just about settles this..
shadowself	Date: October 2, 2005 @ 8:13 PM Irie.
aflunky	Date: October 3, 2005 @ 12:25 AM I believe that covers are cool to have once in a while, but not on charts. They do go on popularity, I do believe it should also go on originality. It makes more sense.
GTOriginal	Date: October 3, 2005 @ 1:13 AM rendition of this classic rock tune. In my personal GT dictionary, a "cover" is when artists turn themselves into a human radio, playing exactly as to original artist did. A "rendition" is what I do, making some other person's tune my own in terms of style. I also want to say Bravo :thumbsup: to Lunitari for stating that covers are music too. That pretty much uh... covers it. :lmao: " id="163283">Here's something. I was once jamming on my acoustic, and played "Maxwell's Silver Hammer". This dude approached me and said I was playing it "wrong" because I did not replicate the original artist exactly. My answer was, "Beatlemania I aint", and I offered the guy triple his money back. He left, and I continued to play my rendition of this classic rock tune. In my personal GT dictionary, a "cover" is when artists turn themselves into a human radio, playing exactly as to original artist did. A "rendition" is what I do, making some other person's tune my own in terms of style. I also want to say Bravo to Lunitari for stating that covers are music too. That pretty much uh... covers it.
madhog	Date: October 4, 2005 @ 4:10 PM Would self-streaming be called Streamabating? Or Masturstreaming? Streamabator Masturstream! He's the kraziest kat that you've ever seen!

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