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User42	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 2:21 PM there really should be.
TonyV	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 2:27 PM To be, or not to be?
User42	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 2:32 PM rofl If a tree falls in the forest...
celtaidd	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 2:40 PM Cogito Ergo Sum, old bean
PhantasosCat...	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 2:40 PM If god created the universe then who created god?
User42	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 2:42 PM what an interesting paradox for all you theists... my current philosophy topic is the sapir-whorf hypothesis- linguistic determination vs linguistic relativity.
jess1561	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 2:45 PM huh?
K3VIN	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 2:50 PM My mom created God... aka me!
User42	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 2:51 PM i created god
celtaidd	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 3:09 PM God doesnt exist, except as a concept
GeneHilbert	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 3:53 PM philosophy according to Sponge Bob..........?
TonyV	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 4:32 PM The question is not so much "How did we get here?", or "Why are we here?". Focus should more appropriately be placed on productive questions like "Ok we're here, now what?" and "That buddy green plant looks yummy, do you think it's safe to smoke?" I believe numerous explosions of energy and generations of evolution have brought us where we are today. Somewhere along the line, a stroke of genius occured in a group of brain cells inside a common homo sapien and the miracle that is known as dmusic sprang from the Indian Ocean (all life came from Africa)and landed on the world-wide-web for all to enjoy. And on the 7th day, dmusic led to recording contracts. Say a prayer for me.....
EchoMinor	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 4:40 PM I am GOD, and as your GOD i command thee to STOP worshipping me, i command you to toss that overly large book of man-made lies in the crapper and worship SATAN instead... bug him for a change, leave me the FUCK alone! all i hear is: oh GOD why, oh GOD please help me! Oh GOD i promise to do better... to be honest it gets really annoying... OH DONT GROVEL! away with you!
pog	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 4:54 PM We already have one... It's called thoughts for the day. Here's a philosophy... When you keep adding new forums, at what point does a forum topic become as relevent as a thread title?
GeneHilbert	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 4:55 PM "Ok we're here, now what?" That is an important point... I am not here to merely have fries with my burger, as I am to appreciate the fact that the cow died in the process. As a sentient being I would like to believe I can make a difference to you, myself, the planet and the universe. All the while recognizing the fortune of being here and at some point being worthy of that gift, effort and sacrifice. In some small return being a productive step in the procession.
K3VIN	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 4:57 PM humans evolutions key is the muficking spark of fire..... but i laughed at this book my friend had.. abotu teens and their prayers being answered... ROFL
User42	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 6:44 PM a hialrious site- drdino.com i reccommend checking out some of the letters and their responses...
desiderata	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 6:47 PM Pog is a god to me.
EvilPicnic	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 6:53 PM : I don't really see why everyone is so vituperative about religion. Without going into the whole presence/absence of God, there are both good and bad points to religions and being religious. But I only ever seem to see people a) not not talking about it b) eulogising about it, or c) hating it with a passion. This was mostly in response to fourcalender's post, which I thought was a leetle OTT. And in response to the actual thread topic; Thought for the Day is a catch-all for lots of things, including philosophy. Too many forums make the place look untidy.
hate9wicket	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 6:59 PM I don't know if it be considered a form of philosophy, but the further I run away from the Roman Catholicism I was raised with, the more I'm attracted to Sethian Gnosticism, which, LOL, was the primary basis for the Matrix movies, anyway, the world's foremost expert on the subject lives and teaches in my town, at some point, I'd really like to go bend his ear. http://jdt.unl.edu/lithist.html
celtaidd	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 7:35 PM My Dog is God, but I'm dlyexisc, or is gary god?
imemine	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 7:38 PM Aren't all forums philosophy forums?
User42	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 7:45 PM thats just how you percieve 'philosophy' and 'forums'
imemine	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 7:52 PM Thoughts of your mother made you say that.
Woof	Date: May 10, 2006 @ 10:30 PM Warhol had a great take on philosophy. It was just how people thought and behaved, day to day.
PhantasosCat...	Date: May 11, 2006 @ 3:39 PM My first post wasn't serious, idon't believe in god. EvilPicnic said "But I only ever seem to see people a) not not talking about it b) eulogising about it, or c) hating it with a passion." The reason most non believer's hate religion with a passion is they were either raised religious or have been preached to one too many times.
K3VIN	Date: May 11, 2006 @ 3:42 PM FolkUser42 Date: May 10, 2006 @ 6:44 PM a hialrious site- drdino.com i reccommend checking out some of the letters and their responses... ^^ oyea im doing a project on Aristotle
K3VIN	Date: May 11, 2006 @ 3:43 PM is past month God has sent us several volunteers to help with the work load here at CSE. god sent them eh ..
K3VIN	Date: May 11, 2006 @ 3:47 PM Evolution assumes that man dropped out of the trees 1 to 5 million years ago and became fully human approximately 100,000 years ago. Yet archeological records show civilization arising only about 5,000 years ago (based on evolutionary thinking). In other words, by evolutionary reasoning, it took mankind 95,000 years after becoming fully human to figure out that food could be produced by dropping a seed into the ground! Search for the Truth This article is one of many found within Mr. Malone's excellent book, Search for the Truth. It has been estimated by evolutionary anthropologists that the earth could have easily supported 10 million hunter/gatherer type humans. To maintain an average of 10 million people, spread over the entire plane, with an average life span of 25 years, for the last 100,000 years . . . .would mean that 40 billion people had lived and died. Archeological evidence clearly shows that these "stone age" people buried their dead. Forty billion graves should be easy to find. Yet only a few thousand exist. The obvious implication is that people have been around for far less time. Another indication of both a young earth and a confirmation of the worldwide flood is the scarcity of meteors in sedimentary rock layers. Although some meteors have been found in sedimentary layers, they are relatively rare. Meteors are easily identifiable, and many thousands have been identified and recovered from recent impacts on the planet’s surface. If most of the rock layers were laid down rapidly during the one year period of a worldwide flood, you would not expect to find many meteorites buried in only one year. However, if the sediment was laid down over billions of years, there should be multiple billions of meteorites buried within this sediment. The fact that we find so few is another possible evidence for the rapid accumulation of the sedimentary layers and a young earth. Suppose you walked into an empty room and found a smoking cigar. You could assume that the cigar was very old and that it had only recently burst into flames, but the more logical conclusion would be that someone had recently been there to light it. The universe is full of similar "smoking cigars": 1. All planetary rings still exhibit intricacies which Should Have long ago disappeared. 2. All known comets burn up their material with each pass around the sun and Should Have a maximum life expectancy of 100,000 years. 3. The outer solar system planets should have long ago cooled off. 4. The spiral galaxies Should Have long ago unspiraled, and the uneven dispersion of matter in the universe Should Have long ago dispersed. Scientists working from the preconception that the universe is 10-20 billion years old have suggested controversial and complicated possibilities for how these types of transient phenomena could still exist but their explanations are based more on faith, not science. The simpler explanation is that these "smoking cigars" are smoking because they are young. What about dating methods which do seem to indicate that things are very old ? As seen in the first article on dating methods, assumptions are everything. For instance, carbon-14 generation rate has never significantly changed. This method does not date the age of the earth but understanding it can have a profound effect on our interpretation of the "ice age" and the "stone age". A recent worldwide catastrophe would have caused an enormous change in the total amount of carbon on earth's biosphere. This event would completely invalidate one of the basic assumptions of the carbon-14 dating method (a known carbon-14 to carbon-12 ratio throughout the measurement period) and lead to excessively old dates for organisms alive shortly after this flood. This problem with carbon-14 dating assumptions will be described in detail in another article. just because the earth coulda supported 10 million doesnt mean it did.. natural predatos existed geez i hate reading this stuff its so naive.
PhantasosCat...	Date: May 11, 2006 @ 3:51 PM When will America - as well as the rest of the World - wake up and smell the indoctrination. Millions of children everyday are being presented with information that is testable, has been tested, and is now scratched off as untrue in the scientific literature. Even our SAT's are presenting incorrect information to our fervent studiers. Both Creation and Evolutionism are testable in certain areas and un-testable in others, both of been tested, and only one prevails - Creation. We were fearfully and wonderfully created, and we will soon stand before He that creates and give an account for the life we lived. Will you be ready?
K3VIN	Date: May 11, 2006 @ 3:53 PM Evolution assumes that man dropped out of the trees 1 to 5 million years ago and became fully human approximately 100,000 years ago. Yet archeological records show civilization arising only about 5,000 years ago (based on evolutionary thinking). In other words, by evolutionary reasoning, it took mankind 95,000 years after becoming fully human to figure out that food could be produced by dropping a seed into the ground! Search for the Truth This article is one of many found within Mr. Malone's excellent book, Search for the Truth. It has been estimated by evolutionary anthropologists that the earth could have easily supported 10 million hunter/gatherer type humans. To maintain an average of 10 million people, spread over the entire plane, with an average life span of 25 years, for the last 100,000 years . . . .would mean that 40 billion people had lived and died. Archeological evidence clearly shows that these "stone age" people buried their dead. Forty billion graves should be easy to find. Yet only a few thousand exist. The obvious implication is that people have been around for far less time. Another indication of both a young earth and a confirmation of the worldwide flood is the scarcity of meteors in sedimentary rock layers. Although some meteors have been found in sedimentary layers, they are relatively rare. Meteors are easily identifiable, and many thousands have been identified and recovered from recent impacts on the planet’s surface. If most of the rock layers were laid down rapidly during the one year period of a worldwide flood, you would not expect to find many meteorites buried in only one year. However, if the sediment was laid down over billions of years, there should be multiple billions of meteorites buried within this sediment. The fact that we find so few is another possible evidence for the rapid accumulation of the sedimentary layers and a young earth. Suppose you walked into an empty room and found a smoking cigar. You could assume that the cigar was very old and that it had only recently burst into flames, but the more logical conclusion would be that someone had recently been there to light it. The universe is full of similar "smoking cigars": 1. All planetary rings still exhibit intricacies which Should Have long ago disappeared. 2. All known comets burn up their material with each pass around the sun and Should Have a maximum life expectancy of 100,000 years. 3. The outer solar system planets should have long ago cooled off. 4. The spiral galaxies Should Have long ago unspiraled, and the uneven dispersion of matter in the universe Should Have long ago dispersed. Scientists working from the preconception that the universe is 10-20 billion years old have suggested controversial and complicated possibilities for how these types of transient phenomena could still exist but their explanations are based more on faith, not science. The simpler explanation is that these "smoking cigars" are smoking because they are young. What about dating methods which do seem to indicate that things are very old ? As seen in the first article on dating methods, assumptions are everything. For instance, carbon-14 generation rate has never significantly changed. This method does not date the age of the earth but understanding it can have a profound effect on our interpretation of the "ice age" and the "stone age". A recent worldwide catastrophe would have caused an enormous change in the total amount of carbon on earth's biosphere. This event would completely invalidate one of the basic assumptions of the carbon-14 dating method (a known carbon-14 to carbon-12 ratio throughout the measurement period) and lead to excessively old dates for organisms alive shortly after this flood. This problem with carbon-14 dating assumptions will be described in detail in another article. just because the earth coulda supported 10 million doesnt mean it did.. natural predatos existed geez i hate reading this stuff its so naive.
K3VIN	Date: May 11, 2006 @ 3:53 PM # The bible states repeatedly that life produces only after its own kind. This is certainly true as we observe the biological world around us. Dogs stay dogs, people stay people. Yet evolution preaches that all life is a blurred continuum. GODD I HATE THIS SHIT... something came before dogs... dogs are ancestors of wolves and such...
K3VIN	Date: May 11, 2006 @ 4:06 PM The Bible teaches that mankind was created perfect, without flaws. It was only after man's disobedience that imperfection entered God's creation. im gonna kill myself
PhantasosCat...	Date: May 11, 2006 @ 4:19 PM The bible also says if a virgin is raped the punishment is she has to mary her attacker. Deuteronomy 22:28-29.
K3VIN	Date: May 11, 2006 @ 4:22 PM but virgin marrys rapist ran away.
PhantasosCat...	Date: May 11, 2006 @ 4:23 PM
tooles	Date: May 11, 2006 @ 9:14 PM I gotta back up EvilPicnic on this one. I'm a staunch agnostic, but I have a lot of very religious friends and family. Their beliefs are (for the most part) not backward; all of the Christians, Muslims, and Jews that I know fully accept concepts like evolution and are not brainwashed. They choose to believe what they do, and the fact remains that they are every bit as entitled to their beliefs as you and I are to our disbeliefs. None of us can prove or disprove the existence of any sort of divinity, and we each cope with that fact in our own way. And as much as I hate being preached to, Phantasos, think about how much a religious person hates being told that they've been "indoctrinated?" A Mormon friend of mine put it to me this way: if you firmly believed (proof or not) with all your heart that rubbing pine cones on your head could cure cancer, wouldn't you feel absolutely obliged to tell the rest of the world the good news, no matter how much ridicule you know you'll receive? It's a little bit "Chicken Little", but you have to understand that these people are just trying to help you. Haven't you ever, as an atheist, felt the need to tell a Christian that what they believe can't possibly be right? It doesn't matter who's right in this argument; we may never actually know. What's important is to recognize where all the sides are coming from.
victorsskull	Date: May 11, 2006 @ 9:59 PM D=no philosophy forum square
User42	Date: May 11, 2006 @ 10:03 PM "Both Creation and Evolutionism are testable in certain areas and un-testable in others, both of been tested, and only one prevails - Creation" did i hear that right? creation is not testable; please, enlighten me on how.. evolution has been observed. not just tested.
Woof	Date: May 11, 2006 @ 10:36 PM Science isn't perfect. Up until about a year ago, it seemed like a popular assumption that if an object enters a black hole, it would emerge into some faraway universe or other dimension. Then last year theorists concluded that the gravitational force would completely scramble the object before it could emerge, so the result would be akin to putting a frog in a blender. To this day, we can measure electrical charges and predict how they will behave, yet it remains unexplained exactly what electricity is. My point is, communication is a science, too. And taking into account the fact that anything communicated to any of us goes through our individual processing systems before it gets re-communicated to someone else, makes it very likely that any messages we've received have been distorted before we ever receive them. Taking that into account, it's highly unlikely that creationism, as we understand it, resembles anything that actually happened. It's a theory that was passed down generation to generation over thousands of years. So who's to say that what actually took place is not a perfect reconciliation of faith and scientific evidence? Science is based on research and openmindedness. If it elects to ignore possibilities, it fails as science, and becomes opinion. And to ignore the possibility that we were created by a being or beings that were more intelligent than us is synonymous with denying that beings more intelligent than us exist. Conclusion: If Man is the most developed, most intelligent being in the universe, it could also be concluded, then, that there exists no heirarchy in development, and that what we commonly term "lower life forms" are figments of our imagination, and that we are indeed living in a dream state, similar to "The Matrix".
K3VIN	Date: May 11, 2006 @ 10:36 PM well with this play doh.. i can create jesus.. then crush him with my hand!
K3VIN	Date: May 11, 2006 @ 10:38 PM mormons also beleive being dark skinend is a sin.. so fuck them and their racist shit... and dotn deny it its so true... they beleive Cain or w/e is the birth of dark skinned people i beleive after he was cursesd with a dark mark.. thats horrible... we all came from africa.. the world is older then 6000 years... blah blah blah... and jesus was not pasty white... i relise they want us to go to heavan... but why waste the couch room...
K3VIN	Date: May 11, 2006 @ 10:39 PM i could argue some more in depth facts but im feelnig sick at the moment
K3VIN	Date: May 11, 2006 @ 10:43 PM Science isn't perfect. Up until about a year ago, it seemed like a popular assumption that if an object enters a black hole, it would emerge into some faraway universe or other dimens ur statement to me feels totally wrong... i think what u mean is scien fiction.. because as a kid i beleive i read that the force of black holes or soemthing would crush you or soemthing.. hard to explain.. not take you to another dimension... but basically make you atoms or something... but also blackholes slow down tiem or w/e... i never beleived once that it would tkae us to another dimension. i beleive it would just destroy.
User42	Date: May 11, 2006 @ 11:02 PM of course science isnt perfect.... to take your example of black holes, we have have no real idea what would happen, because we have never tested any of the hypotheses.
Ataxia2	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 12:32 AM Nobody created God, he always was. Where did matter come from?
Snoogans775	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 1:35 AM all praise spongegod.
Ataxia2	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 3:05 AM Also, Evolution really isnt science. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=science For something to be science, it has to be observable, and be observable many times over. Its something called the scientific method. Since evolution 'happened' millions of years ago, and scientists cant go back and observe it, they shouldn't really be able to say it happened.
desiderata	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 3:14 AM Why we should not have a philsophy forum, Exhibit A: All the ramblings above.
EvilPicnic	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 8:37 AM Ataxia: evolution isn't something that happened ages ago, it's an ongoing process, the effects of which can be observed directly in living things. Plants, animals and all living things in general adapt to the world around them. That's all evolution is. Also: The Bible isn't a scientific textbook, and to consider it as one is just wrong. The people who do are focusing on the wrong areas of the Bible, the wrong messages. Even in this day and age we don't have a scientific theory of everything, we don't even have a proper understanding of things at the quantum level (gravitons? higgs-bosons?). The idea that God could explain to Abraham (or whoever) how he created the world in a succint enough manner (assuming that we as humans are actually able to comprehend it) to put in a religious book thousands and thousands of years ago is laughable. Woof & tooles:
kingo	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 9:10 AM Both Creation and Evolutionism are testable in certain areas and un-testable in others, both of been tested, and only one prevails - Creation. Hair catches on fire Evolution really isnt science. [...] Since evolution 'happened' millions of years ago, and scientists cant go back and observe it, they shouldn't really be able to say it happened. head explodes Plants, animals and all living things in general adapt to the world around them. That's all evolution is. exploded pieces of head explode some more Words fail me. Argh.
TonyV	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 9:21 AM I repeat: The question is not so much "How did we get here?", or "Why are we here?". Focus should more appropriately be placed on productive questions like "Ok we're here, now what?" and "That buddy green plant looks yummy, do you think it's safe to smoke?"
kingo	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 9:23 AM No, it shouldn't.
TonyV	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 9:44 AM
EvilPicnic	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 10:13 AM Alright, I made a mistake, I missed out speciation. Plants, animals and all living things in general adapt to the world around them, and over time change into new species. That's an adequate description of the scientific fact of evolution. I was attacking Ataxia's idea that since Darwin & Wallace's theory of evolution is just a theory (not a fact) it somehow disproved the fact. Evolution itself is ongoing, it didn't just happen ages ago. I didn't quite mean for your head to explode. Again. It's a little messy. Can someone remind me what this has to do with philosophy again?
CarvinAbuser	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 10:27 AM The way I see it, there are 2 possibilities. Either the universe has always existed in some form or the universe was created from nothing. Both possibilities are incomprehensible.
kingo	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 11:21 AM EvilPicnic: yes. The "That's all evolution is" thing through me for a loop. "Evolution" is a whole fuckload of stuff. The way you're describing it now is still oversimplified, but there's not much way around that. One of my favorite examples of how evolution is observable is talking about diseases/illnesses that are caused by bacteria. Evolution "works" because the members of a species that survive and reproduce are those most suited to whatever environment they're in. Disease causing bacteria have a lifespan that is short enough compared to the human life span that we can observe evolution happening. As we find antibiotics that attack bacteria, many times a small population of that bacteria that is resistant to the antibiotic is available within the bacteria's gene pool, and with the destruction of the non-resistant members those resistant ones are given the oppurtunity to flourish. And so we are faced with diseases that we can't control as well as we previously could, and we've got to adapt our medicine to fight the new strains. Yummy. Also, in regards to the "theory" of evolution thing: The theory of gravity is also "just" a theory; doesn't mean I can drop a ball and it won't fall.
K3VIN	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 11:39 AM thank you kingo... evolution is the reason why the common cold isnt cured... also god doesnt save people.. doctors and medicine do. Evolutino is more believable then creation because there is mroe evidence leading to it.. they have discovered what looks to be an animal that links all animals together i beleive.. it had different aspects ofe each categorie.. fins to stay in water... but fingerish bones in the hands among other things that could cahnge it depending on its surroundings over thousands of years... just look at the change in human structure over years..
K3VIN	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 11:39 AM why do u think we dont need wisdom teeth.. did god say fuck it we dont need them anymore.. or did we start using cutlery and not needing it plus cooking food.
desiderata	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 12:33 PM One thing I just love about K3.1415vin is his ability to go from "The common cold can't be cured" to "GOD WON'T SAVE YOU." I have no problem with evolution or with people who believe in evolution. I don't know what I believe, and I'm still working on figuring things out. But overall, this site is incredibly anti-religion which I think is disrespectful. Frankly, I'm fine being disrespected so it's cool. But for a site that raves about the importance of community, maybe people should be a little bit more considerate of different people's ideas. And for the record, if I do ever decide which side I come down on in creation vs. evolution, or any other philosophical debate, it won't be because some 17-year-old angst-filled, scribbling-poetry-in-a-marble-notebook kid changed my mind. And yes, I'm talking about you Kingo.
GeneHilbert	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 12:46 PM LOL
imemine	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 12:46 PM Are there CliffsNotes available for this forum?
kingo	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 12:46 PM I moved on from the marble notebooks to those more expensive hardbound things found at places like Borders. But I'm still 17, have been for almost 40 years now. I'm going to conveniently detour around that bit there about there "creation vs. evolution," as I don't get it. But I am curious about exactly what about this SITE or the community here is anti-religion. There are certainly some very vocal seemingly anti-religious individuals, and then I guess you could sort of lump some of those individuals in with some anti-everything persons (can't imagine who I'm talking about there,) and maybe draw some conclusion based on that, but frankly sometimes I feel like it's the other way around. For example, ers pop up regularly, which has sometimes been known to cause burns on the skin of us agnostics. It's all about the sampling error.
desiderata	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 12:55 PM I don't know ... just from my experience, I've seen several of the "your Bible is a book of man-made lies" "organizes religion is destroying the masses" "God won't save you shit" comments presumably directed toward the ers. I have never once seen a post from a Christian/Jew/Muslim that said "You know what, all of you people who don't believe in God are heathens who are going to burn in eternal hellfire for your sins. Enjoy your time with Satan. Hope you like the wailing and grinding of teeth." I guess I just see more hostility toward believers and their beliefs than Christians toward non-believers. Most of the religious messages I see around here are someone offering prayers in a time of trouble ...
kingo	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 1:03 PM Okay, fair enough. From my POV, though, a LOT of that anti-religiosity is fostered in people while they're growing up and hearing almost verbatim that thing that you just said no one around here says. And to those people (not that I know any,) offers of "prayers in time of trouble" can be very, very difficult to tell apart from veiled statements of, "Maybe if you'd have gone to church more often this wouldn't have happened to you."
desiderata	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 1:09 PM Fair enough. Those messages can get stuck in someone's head to the point where he ends up being suspicious or hostile to all believers. But I think that's kinda like a woman who is raped by a black man and ends up hating all black people and all men. We're not all the same. And if I say I'll pray for someone, it's basically the equivalent of you saying "Well, I'll be thinking of you, hope your surgery goes well" only I'm also asking God to keep an eye on the goings-on. I'm not trying to convert you, Kingo. I like you just the way you are.
kingo	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 1:12 PM YES YOU ARE, I CAN FEEL IT IN MY MARGINS. At any rate, I really wasn't necessarily talking about myself. I hope I'm not running around here saying shit about the bible being a book of man-made lies, or god won't save you shit. I'm just saying people who say those things are just the flip side of the zealot coin. Me, i'm just a potato.
EvilPicnic	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 2:10 PM ^^Si, a potato with a blown up head. Can we talk about something different now?
kingo	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 2:22 PM I don't know, can we?
GeneHilbert	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 2:22 PM Like what.......? Equally important, why.......? Time and place has been established or has it?
K3VIN	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 2:31 PM anti religious...? maybe im tired of being told that my family and I are gonna burn for eternity for not loving god and accepting jesus as our saviour... even if i was given proof that god was real.. the family i have that died before me did not beleive.. so i will not leave them... what kind of loving god wouldnt save us and let us go through this idk... and i never said the common cold couldnt be cured i said why it hasnt, disrespect is fshoving religon down someones throat... disrespect is killing millions of people in the name of god... typnig a few words in a website isnt as disrespectful as half of the shit that goes down. The worst part of this all is... a bad christian who asks for forgiveness or accepts god and jesus will go to heavan but a good atheist will be tortured for eternity... i could go on for hours... if god holds as his children in equal eyes.. then why is it so hard for a church to accept girls to be religious leaders.. why would they let another human be enslaved... and religious people tend to pick and choose different things to follow.
K3VIN	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 2:34 PM My grandpa had 25% chance to lvie after his heart attack, me and my mom prayed for him to survive.. he did... ok what about someone who has 99% chance to live.. you pray and he dies? god is a prick? or what about "I had no friends at school and was very shy so i prayed to god to help me become stronger and not be shy.. the next day i talked to soemone and we are now bestfriends" seems like talknig to pretend people in ur head helps ur selfesteem, we have freewill.. it was her choice to talk to her little friend
K3VIN	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 2:38 PM I was strolling throguh a website where soemone had died and their was a new article this one crazy person said... this person was a sinner b lah blah blh, god has no need for him so he will burn in hell... so i emailed and got this back.. V V Now first before I say anything, I just want you to know that God still loves you. Even though you say he is not real, he still hopes that one day you will come to know him, and learn the gospel of his son Jesus Christ. Now the first thing you will probably ask is, that how is he God’s son. First there are three parts to god, the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit. They are all equal and make up the Holy Trinity. Jesus is the Father’s only son, because Jesus is the only perfect human being to ever walk the Earth. If you do not have faith, look at his miracles and resurrection, and you will see. The Father sent Jesus down to the Earth to provide salvation for all who believe in him. But the Father had Jesus born of a VIRGIN birth, so there for he had no Earthly father, only his heavenly Father. All I have to say is that if you die believing the way you do now, you will be thrown into the lake of fire with Satan, to burn and suffer for all eternity. God is not the one who torments us for our mistakes, it is Satan. But God allows it, because Satan is always trying to prove to God that if one thing bad happens to a believer, he will turn from God. And God says ok do it, and if that person stays true to God, Satan has failed, but if that person turns from God, Satan has won but God has no lost. Satan may turn many from God with bad things and keep many from ever turning to God. And the ones who turn to God and accept Jesus as their savior and lord, no matter what they ever do, they will always be going to heaven and God will forgive their sins as though their never was the word sin. But those who never accept Jesus as their savior will go to hell. And Jesus comes, their will seven years of the Tribulation, and at the end of the Tribulation, Satan will cast into the lake of fire with all his demons, to burn for all eternity. I hope you are alive during the Tribulation because God said their will 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel who will go out into the entire world and preach the gospel. If you are not saved before the Tribulation, I hope and pray you are alive during it, because you will only have to have an I.Q. of 0 not to believe the Gospel then. May God’s blessings enrich your life every minute of everyday, and I pray that you will learn that Jesus is the light of the world, and the only way to Heaven so you will not have to burn in Hell. so basically its a little game they got going...?
kingo	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 2:56 PM (Italicized Important Side Note: If somehow any of my previous statements in this thread have given the impression that I in any way endorse anything said by certain lunatics (who type with their foreheads) with numbers in their names where letters ought to be, this statement hereby serves as an official statement to the contrary.)
K3VIN	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 2:59 PM actualyl i copied and pasted msot of this funny boy.
kingo	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 3:03 PM Actually, I didn't read most of it. I assume the parts you wrote are the parts where you use awesome words like "actualyl." I read those. Beyond that, when you copy and paste big chunks of text in places like this, it's really good form and practice to differentiate your quotes from your own... stuff.
desiderata	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 3:16 PM I guess this is my point. I don't fundamentally have a problem discussing Big Ideas with people who see the world differently than I do, but I just don't feel like wasting precious gray matter trying to debate/discuss things with Certain Lunatics. And actualyl, Kingo, you have made me laugh so hard my tummy hurts. Thanks.
GeneHilbert	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 3:29 PM And actualyl, Kingo........ LOL
Ataxia2	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 3:56 PM ) But when the environment around a species changes, only the species with certain characteristics will survive. And, no, the bible is not a science book. Just a guide book
User42	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 4:14 PM "Evolution really isnt science. [...] Since evolution 'happened' millions of years ago, and scientists cant go back and observe it, they shouldn't really be able to say it happened." we have observed evolution many times over. If you are talking about human evolution, thats different. But evolution as a concept has been proven and is constantly happening.
K3VIN	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 4:56 PM Comment deleted by administration.
kingo	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 5:10 PM >), is natural selection. Although I'm not entirely sure what you're saying about it. If you're interested in furtherness: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution " id="220476">), is natural selection. Although I'm not entirely sure what you're saying about it. If you're interested in furtherness: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
desiderata	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 6:07 PM For the record K3VIN, people have been banned from DMusic in the past for making death threats, so I'd watch the shit you say.
Woof	Date: May 12, 2006 @ 10:12 PM If we're going to discuss God in a scientific, rational manner, I do believe it would be advantageous to make a distinction between the concept of God, and the concept of religion. God may very well exist as something completely different than religion has portrayed (him, her, it). Or (he, she, it) may be the same God who has fostered every religion on our little planet... and was interpreted differently in different parts of the world because human perception is, sadly, somewhat limited. From that standpoint, nothing in science has ever disproved the existence of God. Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us, only sky... -John Lennon All we are is dust in the wind... -Kansas Suppose those quotes are true. What's to live for, then? In the grand scheme of things, nothing anybody does matters, and it all amounts to nothing in the end. So why go on? "We're living in someone else's stone age" -Unknown
ChillinBuzz	Date: May 13, 2006 @ 2:36 PM "all paths lead to the grave" but did someone have to throw so many rocks in my way?
GeneHilbert	Date: May 13, 2006 @ 2:59 PM That's the deal........ you are the result of the choices you make.....
TameasDust	Date: May 13, 2006 @ 4:27 PM water under the bridge
Exdavid	Date: May 14, 2006 @ 2:18 AM 9 ti = tile(xpos,ypos) paste sprite bg,xpos16,ypos16 paste sprite ti,xpos16,ypos16 endif next ypos next xpos return `set background setbg: for x = 0 to 30 for y = 0 to 20 tile(x,y) = 12 next y next i return " id="220682">fools. create a forum for this and I shall come back with some words of wisdom. Hear now my post midnight sleepy thoughts... The universe mocks it's self on different scales. The universe was created in a can of tuna fish and thus everyone over looks it as food or bad odor yes,. REM THE BERFY MCMERFY SOLID SLOW ROASTED BEAN PORK hide m ouse sync on `make arrays dim tile(30,20) dim type(30,20) x = 1 y = 1 t = 10 bg = 12 tileheight = 32 tilewidth = 320 `load images gosub loadimages gosub setbg set current bitmap 0 gosub refresh `Main loop x = 1 y = 1 Do if rightkey() x = x + 16 endif if leftkey() x = x - 16 endif if upkey() y = y - 16 endif if downkey() y = y + 16 endif `board limit if x 16 * 30 then x = 16 * 30 if y 16 * 20 then y = 16 * 20 `cursor sprite 1,x,y,1 `draw if spacekey() tile(x/16,y/16) = t gosub refresh endif `other inputs if scancode() = 2 then t = t + 1 if scancode() = 3 then t = t - 1 if t 9 ti = tile(xpos,ypos) paste sprite bg,xpos16,ypos16 paste sprite ti,xpos16,ypos16 endif next ypos next xpos return `set background setbg: for x = 0 to 30 for y = 0 to 20 tile(x,y) = 12 next y next i return
Ataxia2	Date: May 14, 2006 @ 3:57 AM .. .Ok, I dont know what that was. Anyways... Theres a problem with arguing about God. Athiests are extremely stubborn people. When you throw a good fact at them, they discard it like its nothing, and drag you around in circles. On the other hand, thiests are extremely stubborn people. When you throw a good fact at them, they discard it like its nothing, and drag you around in circles.
celtaidd	Date: May 14, 2006 @ 4:01 AM Dont you mean arguing about the "existence" of god?
ChillinBuzz	Date: May 14, 2006 @ 8:02 AM sorry... did you say you had evidence God exists? or was that a philosophical musing?
zedsalt	Date: May 14, 2006 @ 10:28 AM I haven't jumped in on this one yet because I'm quite comfy with the idea of people having differing opinions on issues of this scope. If there were, say, seven billion people on this rock, then there really SHOULD be more than 6,999,999,999 opinions regarding the nature of the higher power(s), in my opinion. "As is each individual need, so is My image." Yeah, the irony's not lost on me; I just quoted one of the world's most popular religious documents in supporting the idea that such views should be utterly indivdual in nature. But it seems to me that there are two people whose views always seem to get misrepresented when these issues are raised- Charles Darwin and Jesus. Darwin repeatedly expressed the belief that an omnipotent Creator does indeed exist and continues to exert influence over Creation, and I can't find a more vociferous opponent of organized religion in all of history than Jesus Christ. Again, I'm not particularly concerned with whether or not anyone agrees; I just thought it'd be fun to stir this pot a little.
Distilled1	Date: May 14, 2006 @ 10:37 AM " id="220723">"if there were no God, It would be nessacary for man to create one"
8111	Date: May 14, 2006 @ 1:07 PM I believe that all existance is like one big cable mega-network. Every day we're stuck on the same station. The only time we really get to cannel surf is when we are asleep and dreaming...except for those who have mastered astral travel thru meditation, prayer (interpret the word however you wish) with the aid of psychedelic substances, etc. We're all given a big 'remote control', if you will... but we don't know how to use it, for the most part. Of course the damn instructions are originally printed in Chinese and poorly translated for the rest of us. (I guess that means the Chinese are the only peolpe who possess a divine 'connection') Basically were all waiting to die so we can see if there's any good shit in the new fall line-up. The most important thing I've learned, is that you just CAN'T cook a good corndog in the microwave. oh yeah...and if anybody disagrees with me, I'm gonna spread peanut butter on your toenails.
K3VIN	Date: May 14, 2006 @ 1:31 PM explains budhism.
GeneHilbert	Date: May 14, 2006 @ 1:39 PM I just talked to Bud - and he is quite satisfied with his hism.....
imemine	Date: May 14, 2006 @ 1:47 PM You hear the one about the Dyslexic, Agnostic, Insomniac? He stayed awake at night wondering if there actually was a dog!
hate9wicket	Date: May 14, 2006 @ 2:54 PM I like distortion when I bar chord A lonely parking lot when I ride on my board" try repeating the bold statement as a mantra and I think you'll find it will do wonders, makes me feel like King Kong." id="220765">Toenails spread wide for peanut butter nirvana, I will say this, I was out for a run, using my new mp3 player when Frank Black came up (Random is my middle name) and I quote "Jesus was right Yeah, I dont want to fight at all I want to be alone I want to be inside my headphones I skate for transportation Play guitar for elevation Into a state of my own I like distortion when I bar chord A lonely parking lot when I ride on my board" try repeating the bold statement as a mantra and I think you'll find it will do wonders, makes me feel like King Kong.
TonyV	Date: May 15, 2006 @ 4:25 AM Philisophically I would like to compliment zed on usage of the word "vociferous". Indeed it has been a while since I have seen it in context. Good show, chap.
kingo	Date: May 16, 2006 @ 2:08 PM This STILL doesn't answer the question.
Israfel	Date: May 16, 2006 @ 11:32 PM Let's change the subject..how about: the meaning of life or art vs. science or the instrinsic nature of mankind or something else

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