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rico	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 12:33 AM After listening to a friend say the new site was ugly among other things, I felt the need to post this. Its no longer easy to use, YOURE TRYING TO BE TOO MUCH LIKE MYSPACE. hell i come here to get away from myspace... but now, what's the point. it is ugly. and I don't care if that offends the people that made it ugly and now, hard to use. instead of trying to make the site more capable, how about keeping in mind why people come here to begin with.. its just bad design practice. and its a horrible outcome. and don't tell me i'll get use to it. Because i don't care. that's like telling someone who just cut off their thumbs they'll get use to it. of course they will, but that doesn't mean its better.
GTOriginal	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 1:26 AM I like having no thumbs. Hitch-Hiking is a real bitch now, but when I jump in front of the cars, they usually stop.
evansorchid	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 1:28 AM Geez, are they still putting piss in Coronas?
leedsquietman	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 1:29 AM Maybe you can design the next website seeing as this version upsets you so much, I'm sure that the admins who spent thousands of hours coding it would rather be sitting on in the sun on the beach with a beer.... Holy cow, if only people had so much passion for real life serious events as they do for looking at a computer screen, we could have ended 3rd world debt and poverty by now !! Whatever they do, they're damned if they do it and damned if they don't so although I agree with you on certain points I will just suck it up and get on with it - what else am I going to do, sulking and crying is immature, you can use it as an excuse to leave if you want but if that's a typical attitude to adopt (quit anything at the first sign of a problem) you won't get very far, nobody likes whiners and quitters.
rico	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 2:00 AM typical responses.... an end user puts out a complaint and instead of listening, you belittle my comments by saying i'm whining. perhaps this is the reason, why so many don't like the new look and feel. I'm not a designer, but i am a end user, so perhaps you should just shutup and listen.
rico	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 2:01 AM and last i checked i thought this site was for the users.. not the designers.
hantu	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 2:30 AM Actually it's more like getting new bigger better boobs, even though they were pretty damn good at first. They didn't take anything away, we still have our thumbs As far as i know those 3 people above are not designers, they are also end-users, just like you! Then you say listen? listen to what exactly? you haven't said anything that could be of any help to the designers of this site, unless they decide to go back to the old design or start from scratch with a new one but then i would have to make a rant thread The designers can use this site You will likely be heard better if you talk less shit! Happy Day!
ChillinBuzz	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 3:02 AM No, he's right. He is entitled to his opinion but let's not resort to using crude language, please, from anyone. Some points from this, though: That it is true, that some parts look like MySpace, we are not going down that route. We are still a dedicated music site and always will be, we are trying to promote the social aspect of this site a little better. The options you have are entirely optional, you don't have to fill in anything apart from your basic details as you did before. Therefore, you will still look the same as you did before the new design went live. We added a lot more features, some of which I do believe that MS*** doesn't have. You don't get the range of options on your songs there as you do here. It's a new design, there are still many things to touch up, fix and add... With very limited resources, this takes time and we can't please everyone (if we had Rupert Murdoch's billions, we wouldn't have so many issues, especially with non-subs constantly complaining about their free site not being to their liking). I'm part of the design team, sure, BUT I am also an end-user, we all are. Just because we created the new site doesn't mean we don't use it and we ALL need to get used to it! And one for you, Rico... will you constantly complain to your best friend that you love his gf and can't have her? I think not.
rico	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 3:30 AM don't really think its apropriate to bring my personal issues into this, but ok whatever. no i will not constantly complain to him, nor will i constantly complain to dmusic about what i don't like. I did however think that this was a complaint forum, for well... complaints. why even have a complaint forum, if you get bashed the second you post a complaint? my comment about it being for the users was meant to show that you should listent to the users that will be using it, and not necessarily about making it a fully featured site so the design team can pop a woody, so to speak. I never implied that the designers can't use it. I can't even see how you would think i said that. this is ridiculous. i said it was ugly and i stand by that. i don't like the new look, but hey, that's not even my major gripe. i think part of what was attractive about this site was the ease of use. it was easy as hell to post a song up and just cruise around listening to other's creations. and you can't tell me that a new user is going to find it just as easy as i did a year ago.
ChillinBuzz	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 3:45 AM If you don't think it is appropriate, then perhaps you should keep it off a public site? Just a thought, plus it was just a comparison to how people, including you, raise complaints. I agree the complaints forum is exactly that, for complaints, which is why I said about people resorting to crude language, so if you care to notice, I was keeping it as balanced as I could. The design team don't pop woodies (I think Tracy would find that physically impossible anyhow), we tried, along with the coders, to create a BETTER site and that it has turned out to be. Nobody is denying your right to comment or complain, nobody is going to find it easy, as I said we all have to get used to it... It would just be nice for people, especially those who have nothing constructive to say sometimes, to actually TRY getting used to it instead of bitching at the first chance. When you realise most things are no more than a click or two away, then what will it matter? Added point: We are thinking about skins for the site, so it may not always be this "ugly", in your words. What do you think?
SimonWaldram	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 4:09 AM Nobody is denying your right to comment or complain Really? In this thread Rico's been called a immature whiner and quitter, told he talks shit and had his personal issues brought into the debate in a way which is supposed to make his views about the redesign less valid. And all for having the guts to say what a number of us are thinking and saying in private. I appreciate that the designers and coders have put a lot of work into the new design, but that doesn't mean we have to suck up to you and pretend we like it if we don't. Why, for example, does a main artist page only now show some of the artists’ music? Why do you have to go to another additional page to find the rest of it? Don't you think that will be a little confusing to visitors? I also think that the main music page looks ugly and cluttered and the ease of use the site had before has been lost. Feel free to insult me if you wish, but I am entitled to my opinion. I also subscribed just days before the switch, so at least I can't be told I have no business complaining for something I get for free anymore. However, having said that, I would have had serious misgivings about subscribing had I seen the redesign beforehand.
-MW-	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 5:34 AM at least its not as aweful as soundclick...
rico	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 6:00 AM i think you should change the complaints forum to the compliments forum.. that's really what you want anyway isn't it?
-MW-	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 6:08 AM i complain about you rico... you're a pervert... and me too... i'm also a pervert... damn perverts...
hantu	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 7:07 AM "I don't care if that offends the people that made it" "don't tell me i'll get use to it. Because i don't care" You seem to not care a hell of a lot, yet you expect people to care enough to listen? 1 out of 4 people managed to look past that, it seems. Simon, the response i gave him was not for him having the guts to say what he really thinks about the site, THAT i appreciate. If only he put it in a less arrogant about it. Being nice can do wonders, complaints don't have to be so heartless. "i think you should change the complaints forum to the compliments forum.. that's really what you want anyway isn't it?" Interesting response, to the skins question. Makes me wonder if your not just here to rant and leave. I found it much easier to use once i had a click around. I don't know about you but when i first came here it wasn't like i was born with the knowledge of how to use this site, i also had to get used to it back then. Just like we all do with this redesign. Oh but you don't care, ahhh. I am happy with the newdesign. It is not very sexy, don't get my up much. But at the same time, i do not think it is ugly. If anything, the old one was less attractive, with it's plain colors.
jack	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 7:36 AM Simon: The recent music thing is seriously the next thing we're addressing once we get the bugs out of the site. We aren't looking for any ass-kissing, we fully expected a negative reaction and people are completely entitled to dislike or hate the new design- that doesn't mean we're going to revert many months of work and go back to the old version though. It does mean we're willing to listen and change things that people want changing. One person alone probably isn't enough to change that, since we might be taking away something that other people like, but if we see enough people wanting change (the recent uploads thing is a perfect example) then it will be changed! Let's stop attacking each other and just work to make this thing better- I'm pretty sure that's what we all want, after all.
SimonWaldram	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 7:44 AM Sham, Jack thanks for the responses guys. Jack, you're totally right, we shouldn't bicker. I'm not looking to fall out with anyone, I just want an open and honest discussion about the new layout as it's the in the site and the community's best interests.
victorsskull	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 8:46 AM
hantu	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 8:47 AM well that's settled then, thanx vic!
GTOriginal	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 8:53 AM OK I'll quit making light of the situation, I really didn't think anyone was genuinely upset here. I'm a bit naive that way. So, the thumbs are back on and here's my 2 cents on the redesign for real: I do not think it's ugly, I think it is more up-to-date and looks better than before. The idea of skins is awesome too. Any problems I see with the design have already been addressed and are in the form of bugs (after 14 years in computers, I gotta say there are not too many of those either - the site did not shut down at all, far as I know). Like any new page, it takes a bit of playing to get used to it, but I am getting by on my knowledge of the previous site. On the other hand... I am not too sure how important it is to promote the social aspects of the site - my opinion is that the internet is full of chat/flirt sites and we should not shove the music to the side to join those ranks. While the social features do seperate DMusic from the other music sites, they should be handled carefully, and the focus should be kept on the music that brings us all here. I was recently attacked by a person I genuinely cared about because I had the audacity to state that I had a new song posted. After I got over my initial shock, I realized that the recent exodus of artists from the site may not have anything to do with the design. How dare I assume a passing interest in music from the users here? I thought I was sharing my stuff for free, but apparently I was unknowingly intruding on a user's desire to bullshit. So, I went to E-Harmony.com and nobody likes my music there either. Seriously though, the social aspects separate DM from other music sites which is good, but to overdo that would be a grave mistake. Fixing that music sequence thing will be a great step in the right direction. Gary
Mentalfunk	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 8:55 AM I don't like it either anymore.....for now
jewsus	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 10:48 AM well, as far as the design goes, i have to admit somethings are a bit less functional. i don't really like the forum section layout. there's not as many sections within each category, like there used to be. well, the sections are still there, but you can't see the last post for a thread in each section. maybe i'm not explaining that too well, i'm not really sure how to word it. but yeah, other than that, i really don't see anything i don't like about the new layout. i am currently having some issues with loading a profile pic, but seeing as how i don't really care if i have one or not, it really doesn't matter. and as far as the design being "ugly"...i actually like it better. i think the old design was a bit out of date and drab, where as this design strikes me as sleek and dolphin-like. i like the subtle shading around windows. it gives it a more natural look. and the darker colors suit me just fine. basically, if i were to have designed the site, it would probably look a lot like it does now. and aside from the minor complaints i have about the forum, i like the site more than i did before. from an eye pleasing stand point that is.
ChillinBuzz	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 11:07 AM Jewsus, there is an option to expand the forums but some people say it's not working while others don't seem to have a problem, it's something we are still fiddling with. The profile pic section is buggering up (to put it mildly) although it works on my test site, another thing we are trying to sort out. And when we get to add different colour schemes at some point later, it may well start of as just an option to change colours but who knows, it might do more... We are more concerned with hunting down the first bugs we got and correcting them... Most of the concern really from users has been the artist pages, this is something I would like to resolve at some point as amicably as possible and still retain some or all of the new functionality it has... Please do make suggestions. :node:
ChillinBuzz	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 11:08 AM node... duh
zedsalt	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 11:12 AM Some of my earliest memories are of doing visual art; I've been selling my work for 31 of my 39 years on the planet; I've spent almost half of that time on formal education in visual art, and you know what? I think we'd do well to ignore the visual ugliness for awhile and address the lack-of-functionality ugliness.
BlackMage	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 11:14 AM Comparing DM to MySpace is like comparing ice cream to shit (in the context of edibility) Indeed, there are more things to click and I must say it can be confusing, but the nightmarish trainwreck of a layout you call MySpace isn't even worth mentioning in the same context. You have most of the useful information there on one page true, but then again I don't have to wait three hours because of the two gigs of gifs that need to load up. And the MySpace player, which is quite nice as an idea, but the most horrible thing to have ever been loaded to my computer screen. It just that... it doesn't very well. 70% of the songs I try to listen can't be listened at sometimes and sometimes they work fine. Seriously, this place did take a step further and I think it's quite nice, but it needs a little adjustments in the use department. I would love to have everything I need one or two clicks away, but because of the magnitude of this site, I don't think it's going to happen without turning in to a mild shitfest. And personal issues... take them outside, people. You might not care what other people think about your opinions, but nobody sure as hell doesn't give a shit about your personal issues.
GeneHilbert	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 11:19 AM I've been using the new site for a month or more before it was available to all. While I had access to both versions I preferred the new look and still do. It is above all else less fatiguing. There are issues to be corrected or reworked and all of that comes in time. Bitch, complain or whatever perks your pecker..... communication in all forms are required..... however civility is often the most essential ingredient for results.
ebarbarella	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 12:10 PM i didnt like it with the fixed wide. So i change it ... if you dont know how ... How To View Dmusic in Wide Mode: Go to My Dmusic. Go to the Settings tab, then scroll down to Skin Settings and change it to view in wide mode! i like the new look in wide mode better than the old one btw .. the image/link is still not working in any of the journals and we need the radio back! the coders are working hard to fix the problems so lets be patient! Dmusic
Distilled1	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 12:30 PM we need our radio, it is on each artist page, what happend to our radio page is it still in the works I know I would still like to get it running.
Rodrica	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 12:38 PM I'd just like to pick up on what Jack said... "the recent music thing is seriously the next thing we are addressing..." Thanks for that Jack ...many of us feel it is important to show as many songs as we can (and in the order of our choice) on our main page. I subscribed recently and one of the advantages was getting more space for songs...but this will be negated if they are all relegated to a secondary page. Trust me on this...I was at Vitaminic for a long time where they had the same arrangement. The songs on page 2 always achieved significantly less streams/downloads. The lack of page control cost them a number of subscriptions. I want to be able to put DMusic on ALL my promo stuff, car stickers, cds etc. For this I MUST get exposure for as many of my songs as I can on the main page. And the site MUST be easily navigated by visitors. Whilst DM members will eventually learn to navigate this new design, visitors, potential new members/subscribers will find it too long-winded to search for more songs/info. We have to be careful that we're not too inward looking and that we cater for non-members and visitors - that way the site will increase its traffic and in turn will impress advertisers and artists alike. And going back to rico's original comments - I believe most ppl here are voicing their opinions in order to ensure that DM stays head and shoulders above the opposition rather than to knock the admins. Everyone wants DM to be a leader, not a follower...and we all intend to be here far longer than myspace
ebarbarella	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 1:03 PM i completly agree with Rodrica i want to see all the songs on the main artist page ... like it used to be without having to click on a diff tab ... we can keep the Music tab section but all the songs need to be on the overview page
leflaw	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 1:21 PM So much to say, so little time. 1. Tracy, Jack, Chillinbuzz, - you guys did a superb job under adverse circumstances 2. You ain't seen nuttin yet. Our secondary purpose was a redesign - our primary purpose was to make the code developer friendly by creating libaries and templates. Now we are FOR THE FIRST TIME actually ready to seriously ( i.e. more ambitiously) develop the place. Sorry it took so long, but it did. Now I know why soundclick doesn't change and Myspace design sucks. "Nice buiding except - can you move it an inch or so?" Thats why they tear down buildings - a rehab costs more than new construction very often. 3. Everybody's opinion is valid. But "never show a fool a half finished project". 4. We are half finished so to speak, and the next month or so is debugging. I know its after the release date, but thats the way Bill Gates does it..... 5. We read all this stuff and take it seriously. Keep it coming.
imemine	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 1:29 PM Larry is awesome!
TameasDust	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 1:35 PM Actually I kinda like having the most recent tunes uploaded the first ones I see ... but I ain't an artist .. just a listener ... I like it becuase it is easier to keep track of recent activity of my fav artists also I dont have to search through tons of music to see where the new ones are that appear on my artist watchlist ( subscriber function to keep track of fav artists and new tunes .. this ia a list of artists on my watchlist Artist Watchlist) as for complaints ... this design has gone through various stages ... developement ... preliminary stuff then the admins had it for a few months ... and admins ripped it to shreds .. admins complained, whined and ranted over every detail admins could find ... admins drove the poor coders nuts as they can well attest ... admins discussed this and that and admins ranted over various minute things ... after all this it was passed on to the subscribers for them to use and test out ... admins waited for the uproar ... and waited ... and waited ... can you hear the crickets? then the new design was opened for all to use ... we thought it was perfect becuase no one complained about anything in the subscriber stage ... Now we are in the all users stage ... admins and developers know there are going to be problems ... we relish finding out what the problems are ... admins and coders are here to help you ... coding just takes a lot longer than what admins can do. So all DMer's use every function ... test and rant about the new design ... make Help Desk Tickets about problems you find. Compliments are always welcome to Jack and Chillinbuzz are working very hard on the new design and I for one am very proud of the work they are doing
moam	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 2:54 PM "you're a pervert... and me too... i'm also a pervert... damn perverts..." That just fit the moment
GreatGooglyM...	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 3:00 PM Well, haven't really "used" the new site, but at least it looks helluva lot better than the old site. Maybe add some more functionality to the forum?
leflaw	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 3:20 PM BTW: The admins were absolutely essential to the effort. Sorry I did not mention them ( you know who you are anyway)... and special thanks to all those subscribers who persevered up till now. We will try not to disappoint.
leedsquietman	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 3:58 PM Simon, a healthy talk where people make suggestions about how they can improve the site is totally fine, debate is good. But when people start ranting and being abusive then a healthy debate is impossible. People are being critical, which is OK, but they are just saying stuff like 'ugly', 'sucks' or whatever and they are not saying WHY it disappoints them or HOW they would improve things. Once upon a time I used to work in financial services and people would make complaints - when people sat down calmly and we talked about what the problems were and then discussed a resolution we could work it out but when people called me four letter insults to my face or yelled or whatever, we were advised to tell the clients that personal abuse was unacceptable and that we were happy to help with the problem if it was discussed in a calm and civilized manner. And that was a paying job, many of the admins and testers here are doing it VOLUNTARILY, so I can see why they might be aggrieved at the insults. Patience is a virtue - people need to learn to be patient and give the admins and the site time to work through the bugs, this new design isn't something that was thrown together in 20 minutes and can be fixed in 20 minutes. Look at Windows - XP has been around for 5 years and they still haven't sorted out hundreds of bugs but gradually they do fix them bit at a time. Debate is great, just be respectful is all I was ever suggesting - if you guys were ever at cubase.net you would find these messages being locked and deleted at the first sign of ranting or aggression, it could be a lot worse !!
pog	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 6:45 PM I think what it's difficuflt for the end user to realise is that as the site evolved, and complex functions were implemented, it got more difficult for the coders to work on. Now with the latest rebuild, it gives the site so much more room for growth. Everything is more standardised, which means the site is far more streamline and efficient. In the long run, it creates a superior surfing experience. The only thing that can't be implemented is upgrades to the "old dogs" so we can teach them "new tricks".
Fraser	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 7:43 PM I think the site looks better, but getting to a bands music is a tad bit confusing. But, the site does look better We could all just settle down, rico and everybody else included. It's not like we're enemies or anything, right?
leedsquietman	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 7:52 PM yes, I took a pill and now I'm fine - I also apologized for my spiky behaviour although I stand by my main points.
imemine	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 9:05 PM Reason! Imagine that! Imagine there's no Heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say that I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world You may say that I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one
Jazzmary2U	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 9:10 PM Having maintained my own one-page website, I understand the complexities of this new look project. So far, so good, guys.. and anyway you slice it.. dmusic rocks the other music community sites, imho
Jazzmary2U	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 9:16 PM Thanks ebarbarella! I switched to the wide mode and I like it very much.. cool options on the artist and user edit pages as well... much better organized!! And the preview before post is a GREAT feature! That is why dmusic gets my money....
EchoMinor	Date: October 2, 2006 @ 11:31 PM honestly its like a major update to an MMORPG, things get changed, some like it some dont. but things only get resolved when people discuss things calmly instead of hostility... usually in any change like this somewhere, if someone approaches their dislike of it with anger and hostility, the point of their complaint will get overlooked. so just pipe down, have a pickle, some pepsi, and discuss it like a calm human being. it takes a bit to get used to IMO, but eventually i will. doesnt mean i hate it or like it, i have things on it i love, and things that are awkward. but aside from the new visual look remember what dmusic offers for your music, and what other places seriously fail to do.
leflaw	Date: October 3, 2006 @ 12:32 AM The old dm design looked like friggin Napster.
rico	Date: October 3, 2006 @ 2:20 AM after a good nights rest i too feel the need to apologize. i never inteded to sound bitchy or come across like i was talking shit. in all honesty i was and still am going through personal issues, and i do apologize. i don't think the new dmusic is 'ugly'. there ARE some things i like, and alot that I don't. skins would be a good idea, but when i said ugly i didn't mean the color scheme or whatever. in any event i do appreciate the design team's efforts and the time dedicated to dmusic. sometimes when you type things out you lose the meaning behind your true feelings. i still however would like to see the ease of use of dmusic taken to the forefront, as i believe this is what attracted me and countless others.
hantu	Date: October 3, 2006 @ 3:58 AM http://www.dmusic.com/forum/interact/24846
acousticgrrl	Date: October 3, 2006 @ 4:36 AM I still think it's ugly and I mean that very matter-of-factly. I also think the navigation is a nightmare. But whatever, you guys worked hard on it so I'll pretend it isn't completely obnoxious. But don't be offended if I don't ever come here again. The music pages? A mess.
hantu	Date: October 3, 2006 @ 4:38 AM You bolded my name
ChillinBuzz	Date: October 3, 2006 @ 6:52 AM shame to see you go, acousticgrrl!
ChillinBuzz	Date: October 3, 2006 @ 7:16 AM I need more coffee over here... I'm about a day behind on reading this thread... someone remove the post button quick!
hantu	Date: October 3, 2006 @ 7:50 AM On 3rd Oct 2008, ChillinBuzz said: I need more coffee over here... I'm about a day behind on reading this thread... someone remove the post button quick! oooo Quote works in IE now But what is with this line? first it was up there and now it's down there. where is it going next? what is it's intention? or what are their intentions?
Saint	Date: October 3, 2006 @ 7:52 AM I think the line will eventually seperate our signatures and banner images from our post if they plan on going the route of most forums...
hantu	Date: October 3, 2006 @ 8:07 AM Seperating the Quote button at the moment. But it will move man, just watch, you'll see
ChillinBuzz	Date: October 3, 2006 @ 8:09 AM Well, I often wondered if our forums would end up looking more like PHPBB forums that you see all over the net, with signatures and images and whatever, not sure how that would work out, apart from making the pages incredibly long Sham, careful that line doesn't intend on turning around and biting you
Saint	Date: October 3, 2006 @ 8:14 AM if the line starts stealing my job im gonna be pissed
HalloweenBat...	Date: October 3, 2006 @ 8:17 AM On 3rd Oct 2008, ChillinBuzz said: Well, I often wondered if our forums would end up looking more like PHPBB forums that you see all over the net, with signatures and images and whatever, not sure how that would work out, apart from making the pages incredibly long Sham, careful that line doesn't intend on turning around and biting you i like pages like that.. allows u memerable sayings and stuff or w/e u would like to put in ur signiture
jack	Date: October 3, 2006 @ 8:23 AM The line is just to seperate the Quote button at the moment. Who's up for signatures?
hantu	Date: October 3, 2006 @ 8:26 AM On 3rd Oct 2008, Saint said: if the line starts stealing my job im gonna be pissed Becoming like PHPBB forums could be kinda nice, but it will need limitations. You always get someone who wants to put a pic in his sig the size of my screen resolution having some of the user stats under our avies might be good too. But that is all something I can live without.
ChillinBuzz	Date: October 3, 2006 @ 8:26 AM Saint, you just got made redundant! Signatures are a thought, although i will say now (before anyone else does) that it's not a high priority just yet.
hantu	Date: October 3, 2006 @ 8:30 AM Well i still want my mouse icon. You know what i'm talkign about, one of you discarded my ticket requesting a mouse icon shame on you, whoever you are This might sound annoying, but the space between the quite button and the line is bugging me. It might be nicer if you shift the button up.
HalloweenBat...	Date: October 3, 2006 @ 8:34 AM make the sigs have to be 8 lines or less
hantu	Date: October 3, 2006 @ 8:39 AM . . . . . . . . that's pretty long isn't it? i'd say 4 line and pics with about the same height.
jack