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kingo	Date: October 15, 2007 @ 9:36 AM Wouldn't want to have any fun. Three or four threads I was posting in Saturday night just up and disappeared. Same old shit. Someone's really determined to see how many more users we can lose.
K3VIN	Date: October 15, 2007 @ 9:59 AM having fun was so 2005 on here.
kingo	Date: October 15, 2007 @ 11:36 AM Very true.
8111	Date: October 15, 2007 @ 4:11 PM countin' my days...
celtaidd	Date: October 15, 2007 @ 4:28 PM Fun? No, you got me there squire Used to have it a long time ago
Distilled1	Date: October 15, 2007 @ 5:33 PM damn were they the thread I think/ that certain someone? damnit I like those ones just to lurk and read
kingo	Date: October 15, 2007 @ 7:06 PM Yes, they are fun. fun. OR, also, ignorable.
Woof	Date: October 15, 2007 @ 10:17 PM Maybe we need a refresher course: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fun Does anybody remember laughter? ...Robert Plant; The Song Remains The Same
iamseymour	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 12:23 AM How many users are there? It always seems pretty dead around here.. then again, I hang about on a certain imageboard which gets over 100,000 posts a day, so I guess I will have to get used to the calm and collected pace of this place. Like going camping out in the country for a bit.
Thaspian	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 12:20 PM I don't recognize 90% of the users here. You used to be able to post some really off topic disturbing stuff and get away with it, 5 years ago. What happened?
FraDonaghy	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 1:10 PM On this or any site, you make your own fun. I imagine you might enjoy yourselves a bit more if you stopped harking on about the past and tried to make something of the here and now.
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kingo	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 5:20 PM On 16th Oct 2009, FraDonaghy said: On this or any site, you make your own fun. I imagine you might enjoy yourselves a bit more if you stopped harking on about the past and tried to make something of the here and now. That's what I was doing Saturday night. But all my something-of-the-here-and-now got deleted. I'm not harking on about the past, I'm harking on about the Saturday. Unless that's the past you mean I should stop harking on about. In which case I assume you're promoting some sort of nihilism, which is, frankly, okay with me. Maybe all posts should be deleted immediately after we post them. In fact we should do away with the forums altogether: we have shoutboxes, after all. Awesome ideas, Fra! I'm going to go send some suggestions out into the void of the suggestion-area so that they can be deleted and I can immediately stop harking on about them! I AM GODDAMMED EXCITED NOW, I'LL TELL YA WHAT. WOOHOO!!!!!! I'VE TURNED OVER A NEW FUCKING PANTS!!!!!!!!!!!! AWESOME!!!!! LOOK AT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EVERYTHING I DO NOW CAN BE IN ALL CAPS AND END WITH A BUNCH OF THESE THINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On 16th Oct 2009, Thaspian said: I don't recognize 90% of the users here. You used to be able to post some really off topic disturbing stuff and get away with it, 5 years ago. What happened? I don't know what happened, but I'm sure it's got something to do with the Olsen twins.
Alwex	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 5:30 PM On 15th Oct 2009, kingo said: Wouldn't want to have any fun. Three or four threads I was posting in Saturday night just up and disappeared. Same old shit. Someone's really determined to see how many more users we can lose. The reason i spend less time around here on DM, is cause the forum is just not as fun as it was before, nothing to keep me here, not as fun to go lurk around for new Music on DM, when there is nothing that drags me to this site in the first place But its still a Little fun
FraDonaghy	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 7:02 PM Kingo, that wasn't directed as you so much as most of the other posters in the thread. I know you're pissed about AJ's threads being deleted by Rh. Everyone else seems to be just deflated about DMusic in general. Why? So many people complain that it's not the place it used to be... and I can see their point to a degree, but why complain about it? That will just make it worse. Yes this place has a lot of downsides - but if you concentrate on the negative you drag everybody down with you. Imagine how popular Myspace would be if the forums were full of the regulars whining about how they hate the site but yet keep coming back to it. The problem here is we care... maybe too much, and we all want DM to be the great place we thought it was when we first signed up. If you really want it to be that way again then stop moping around being a bitch and go do something constructive about it... and if that is too much to ask then stop logging on. Simple as that.
FraDonaghy	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 7:06 PM Apologies to rh if you are not the admin responsible for deleting those threads.. I just assumed so.
K3VIN	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 7:09 PM complaining gets things done a lot. I agree with kingo. u cant do something when u have no control.
kingo	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 7:35 PM On 16th Oct 2009, K3VIN said: u cant do something when u have no control. That's nearly just about right. OR, you can do what I do, which is complain. That's what this forum's for. On 16th Oct 2009, FraDonaghy said: If you really want it to be that way again then stop moping around being a bitch and go do something constructive about it... and if that is too much to ask then stop logging on. Simple as that. Regardless of who you're talking to, exactly -- bitching and moaning is just as much "doing something constructive" as whatever else we might do here. This literally seems to happen now every time I ramp back up my participation here -- that guy shows up, I get to do the inane things I do, I get involved, and 17 posts disappear and I wonder what the fuck I tried again for. On 16th Oct 2009, FraDonaghy said: Imagine how popular Myspace would be if the forums were full of the regulars whining about how they hate the site but yet keep coming back to it. Myspace has forums?? Wonder if they have deletehappiness as a feature over there, too.
K3VIN	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 8:06 PM I wish I had the power to help... maybe I'll start drinkin again and posting..
moam	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 8:18 PM I say we resurrect the masturbation thread You gotta admit, that was a shit-ton of fun http://www.dmusic.com/forum/thoughts/26321%5Bhl\|masturbation%5D
K3VIN	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 8:20 PM that spawned the worst chain of threads ever.. not literally lol.. but some pretty bad stuff came up!
K3VIN	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 8:20 PM no pun intended
moam	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 8:49 PM I just read the whole fucking thing God damn, those were good times
moam	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 8:52 PM http://www.dmusic.com/forum/thoughts/26483%5Bhl\|shower%5D http://www.dmusic.com/forum/complaints/26480%5Bhl\|shower%5D http://www.dmusic.com/forum/thoughts/26383%5Bhl\|shower%5D http://www.dmusic.com/forum/thoughts/25752%5Bhl\|shower%5D http://www.dmusic.com/forum/thoughts/26415%5Bhl\|shower%5D http://www.dmusic.com/forum/thoughts/26375%5Bhl\|shower%5D http://www.dmusic.com/forum/thoughts/26384%5Bhl\|shower%5D http://www.dmusic.com/forum/thoughts/26379%5Bhl\|shower%5D http://www.dmusic.com/forum/thoughts/26366%5Bhl\|shower%5D http://www.dmusic.com/forum/thoughts/26378%5Bhl\|shower%5D http://www.dmusic.com/forum/thoughts/26361%5Bhl\|shower%5D Oh...my fucking...god To the good days.
K3VIN	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 8:55 PM the good days were when u could make a shitty thread and it would go to page 2 by the end of the day because of good ones.
moam	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 9:10 PM seriously, I read a couple of these, and it was some hilarious shit Immature and obnoxious, yes, but fucking hilarious
K3VIN	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 9:11 PM didnt one get super complained about cause it was about bibles lmao
moam	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 9:17 PM "Do you shower in the bible?" "How do you unstick the pages of the bible after masturbating on it?" "Do you read the bible in the shower?" Oh shit...good times
hantu	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 9:32 PM You people should be ashamed of yourselves! Though the PC Game version is great (especially if you have no friends ^-^), i still prefer the real life version as you get to touch the real fake money with your real hands. I may get the real life here and now too.
moam	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 9:36 PM
imemine	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 9:50 PM
kingo	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 10:19 PM
kyodylee	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 10:33 PM I read AJ's threads. I didn't see anything in them that warranted censorship or deletion.
moam	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 10:35 PM On 16th Oct 2009, kyodylee said: I read AJ's threads. I didn't see anything in them that warranted censorship or deletion. Ditto
K3VIN	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 10:39 PM i mention our friend presensky in my rap battle.
hantu	Date: October 16, 2007 @ 10:48 PM haha i just beat ai on Intermediate lv, he almost had me, but i came back Time to try out Tycoon! -that's the hardest lv
Dexter	Date: October 17, 2007 @ 7:18 AM We have been down this road before in public and in private, so it should come as no surprise to some that the threads were deleted. They were started by a user who circumvented his ban more than once. It had nothing to do with content. He has also trashed the site elsewhere (including users who have defended his actions in the past), harrassed users and threatened the site by email. Any future accounts he starts will be suspended and any posts made will be deleted.
kingo	Date: October 17, 2007 @ 8:01 AM Sounds great. Also, any future suspensions and threat deletions will be bitched about by me.
ChillinBuzz	Date: October 20, 2007 @ 4:17 AM Then why try... Defending a hapless jerk who thinks nothing of breaking every rule he deems fit, including the unwarranted abuse aimed at admins, makes you the same in my opinion. You only scrape by because the remaining staff just don't have the balls to strangle this crap before it gets out of hand. Had I been one still, I can think of a few people who'd get the boot and politely asked not to come back. It is funny though that, when people defend that prat, they conveniently ignore everything he did that was negative to this site... Why don't his supporters club together and buy him a ticket for the movies, or the zoo? Take him out for a bloody ice-cream and pat his head? What makes things worse is that those intectually-challenged whiners of "freedom of speech" actually breed. Now THAT scares me.
ChillinBuzz	Date: October 20, 2007 @ 4:19 AM intellectually. the one time i figure i can't be bothered with the preview button.
ChillinBuzz	Date: October 20, 2007 @ 12:58 PM In the immortal words of our recently departed nutjob (again): "I don't know, I just want this topic to die." Unfortunately, as long as his best buddy still visits to whine and moan about the serial verbal abuser's treatment at the hands of those he constantly threatens and insults, it will never die. Anyone remotely supporting a member who has made it a habit to intimidate and threaten people here, plus from his own writings a definite case for lifelong incarceration in an asylum, must be a few bottles short of a crate themselves. I'm really hoping that one particular user will be lost over this... That isn't going to happen I bet, so I guess when I'm online and there's some bitching going on about someone being suspended or a thread being deleted, it's game on. Just make sure you put milk powder in that bottle and not your stash of coke.
Woof	Date: October 20, 2007 @ 1:58 PM Well if reality doesn't exist outside of our perception of it, then it's entirely possible that we've imagined the whole thing. It is our dreams, that keep us going...
Israfel	Date: October 20, 2007 @ 2:36 PM I try so hard to stay out of these things. I really do... but one thing I will never understand, DM rules aside, is why it okay to ban and delete someone who, though insistent in his posts, was basically harmless in what he did while the over reactive, venomous posts by other DM members who responded is seen as something completely tolerable. I think that is the heart of the issue here. Last night, someone came online and posted a bunch of crap and got many people riled up and in the mix. He was deleted. He came back and started over. Still being a prick. The fact is, the less we, the general membership of DM react to those posts, the more likely it is that the "offender" will just go away. Perhaps somewhere in the TOS there should be a tutorial on the appropriate way to deal with trolls and spammers. We complain the DM is dead. That the "good old days" are gone. We see lists of members who are AWOL with lit candle emotes and sad faces. I find it hard to believe that people leave just because they cannot post crap forums. In fact, I don't think that's the reason at all. I think the reason is - and this is where I get blasted, I'm sure - is that DM has become stagnant. Nobody really wants an honest comment on a song if that comment is critical or doesn't contain at least ten or fifteen bowdowns and high fives. Is that even realistic? Are we all really THAT good? If so, why are we here at all? Bottom line is - AJ was harmless. A harmless geek who posted things that, though crazy, were actually quite fun to read. Yet there are DM members here who are seemingly revered who have been personally responsible for at least three people I know leaving the site. I guess it's all in your perspective and how "honest" you want to be. There are plenty of "nutjobs" still here at DM. And some of us are hanging on, by a very thin thread, hoping beyond hope, that somehow we can get DM back on track.
K3VIN	Date: October 20, 2007 @ 2:40 PM if aj threatened my life id buy him a drink
ChillinBuzz	Date: October 20, 2007 @ 2:46 PM i'm assuming you wouldn't choose what i was thinking, 50% vodka 50% valium?
ChillinBuzz	Date: October 20, 2007 @ 2:53 PM Issy, name one nutjob here who's been as erratic, insulting, abusive of the rules and threatening as AJ and i'll buy the "harmless" thought. i don't count, so don't use me even i wouldn't stoop so low as to use the language he used before, certainly not against people who have the hardest job here, with the top brass seemingly MIA most of the time and a site full of people that needs pulling back into line sometimes. i know i caused someone to leave. i threw punches, i got plenty back. i also took blows and threw those back too. the only regrets i have are for any damage i caused the site and its community, nothing more. rules are rules, i was put in my place and i took it, which is something AJ couldn't take and relentlessly pursued his path of ignoring every rule he came across. harmless, maybe... banned for inexcusable actions and words still. that decision was made by those who run the site and nobody has the authority to try overturning it apart from them, plus constantly bringing it up as a starting point for threads.... sorry, has that a point either? i agree we should be more open with song criticism, there isn't enough of it.
ChillinBuzz	Date: October 20, 2007 @ 2:56 PM addition: i'm sure i have used bad language before and i ain't defending it but when told to drop it, i did. with the exception of one person in all the crap that blew out after the re-design went live, i am back on some level of talking terms again with those i clashed. i figured that was the right direction to move in... however, i am not going to retract anything i have said or will say about the more persistant user who loves dragging this all up.
moam	Date: October 20, 2007 @ 4:52 PM Mary, you know I agree with you about the "honest" song comments matter This is all about that dude who came back and left a couple apologies threads, right? If it is, I'm not really sure what he did or how he acted in this past, but his most recent threads when he became a member here again seemed very harmless. I was quite shocked when I found them deleted. I'm all about giving people second chances, but then again, I really don't know much about this dude. I apologize if we are talking about completely different people here too!
Tattoomom	Date: October 20, 2007 @ 6:09 PM Damn! You get sick for a couple of days and look at all the fun you miss!
8111	Date: October 20, 2007 @ 10:05 PM WARNING: "good Ol' Days" theme to follow... When I joined up here, I can't remember how many times somebody blasted my page with html codes that disabled everything in my box. I remember putting something like 50,000 bunny emotes in Ime's box that totally blasted his page off the site (he actually couldn't access it for days)he didn't get all mad at me and demand I be banned and shit... Of course admins have become more and more resourceful in dealing with things like that since then, but what I'm trying to say is that DMusic was like the wild west back then. That's the type of environment I became accustomed to early on. People had a sense of humor. Nobody was playing "supercop", and we all had fun. I've posted some really, really, really dumb threads, but I could care less if they got buried under more 'significant' posts. In fact, many times I've started something and sat back and watched (and laughed) while everybody else had fun, or got pissed, or what the fuck ever. I'm guilty of being a trouble maker, I guess, though, I certainly hope I'm not responsible for anyone leaving the site, then, on the other hand...fuck 'em. What's that old saying... If ya can't take a joke- I probably shouldn't post this, I always tend to become combative after seven or eight beers, so if I'm going to make a complete ass out of myself, I might as well do my "I'm a little tea pot" for y'all. (Damn, too bad we don't have a webcam feature)
8111	Date: October 20, 2007 @ 10:13 PM WARNING: "good Ol' Days" theme to follow... When I joined up here, I can't remember how many times somebody blasted my page with html codes that disabled everything in my box. I remember putting something like 50,000 bunny emotes in Ime's box that totally blasted his page off the site (he actually couldn't access it for days)he didn't get all mad at me and demand I be banned and shit... Of course admins have become more and more resourceful in dealing with things like that since then, but what I'm trying to say is that DMusic was like the wild west back then. That's the type of environment I became accustomed to early on. People had a sense of humor. Nobody was playing "supercop", and we all had fun. I've posted some really, really, really dumb threads, but I could care less if they got buried under more 'significant' posts. In fact, many times I've started something and sat back and watched (and laughed) while everybody else had fun, or got pissed, or what the fuck ever. I'm guilty of being a trouble maker, I guess, though, I certainly hope I'm not responsible for anyone leaving the site, then, on the other hand...fuck 'em. What's that old saying... If ya can't take a joke- I probably shouldn't post this, I always tend to become combative after seven or eight beers, so if I'm going to make a complete ass out of myself, I might as well do my "I'm a little tea pot" for y'all. (Damn, too bad we don't have a webcam feature)
moam	Date: October 20, 2007 @ 10:13 PM You must be pretty serious about that to post it twice!!
8111	Date: October 20, 2007 @ 10:14 PM so nice I posted twice...
Saint	Date: October 20, 2007 @ 10:15 PM Speaking of good ol' days...the ominous, overly delayed double post seems to have returned to seek it's revenge on Mr.Rhynes
moam	Date: October 20, 2007 @ 10:16 PM
8111	Date: October 20, 2007 @ 10:22 PM On 20th Oct 2009, Saint said: Speaking of good ol' days...the ominous, overly delayed double post seems to have returned to seek it's revenge on Mr.Rhynes the funny thing is I had Crystal proof-read it, and I told her to post it when she saw it was ok. So you might notice it was mysteriously free of typos at least before she did managed to re-visit the Rhynes tradition of "double posting"
8111	Date: October 20, 2007 @ 10:23 PM "did managed" ????????????????
Saint	Date: October 20, 2007 @ 10:26 PM I'm guessing she didn't proof read that one? Hey, atleast is didn't post twice...although the last one took a near record setting 8 minutes so it's too early to tell
8111	Date: October 20, 2007 @ 10:26 PM "did managed" ????????????????
Saint	Date: October 20, 2007 @ 10:28 PM On 20th Oct 2009, billrhynes said: "did managed" ???????????????? On 20th Oct 2009, Saint said: I'm guessing she didn't proof read that one? Hey, atleast is didn't post twice...although the last one took a near record setting 8 minutes so it's too early to tell On 20th Oct 2009, billrhynes said: "did managed" ???????????????? Like I said, I spoke too soon..
kingo	Date: October 20, 2007 @ 11:09 PM On 20th Oct 2009, ChillinBuzz said: I'm really hoping that one particular user will be lost over this... That isn't going to happen I bet, so I guess when I'm online and there's some bitching going on about someone being suspended or a thread being deleted, it's game on. game on? I'm doubting that I'm going to be "lost" over this. Sorry. But hey, how about you go suck a socket wrench? I hear they're good after being in a crockpot for about sixteen hours. On 20th Oct 2009, ChillinBuzz said: What makes things worse is that those intectually-challenged whiners of "freedom of speech" actually breed. Now THAT scares me. Wait, hey, am I being called intectually challenged?!??!? Maybe not, maybe you're not talking to me, maybe I missed something. But in case you ARE talking about me with that reference to the breeding thing -- yes, your worst fears are being realized: every night I sneak into my daughter's room and whisper into her ear, "let the crazies talk, let the crazies talk, their words are only words and they aren't going to kill you, let the crazies talk, let the crazies talk, whine about free speech every chance you get, be as intectually challenged as possible..." If all goes according to plan, in about six years she'll be on DMusic talking exactly like AJ and she'll keep getting banned because no one will believe she's not he and I'll rise high on my cloud of righteous indignation and shit all over your forehead. It's going to be SO worth turning my daughter into a lunatic just to prove a point.
Woof	Date: October 21, 2007 @ 1:46 AM I'm not arguing any side of this issue. There are good and decent members of our community on both sides. Lately, though, it seems like all we do is argue. Doesn't that get a little tiring? I mean... when there isn't a good exchange of animosity going on in these forums, all that's left for visitors to see as a representation of who we are, is promotions and questions about how to slice tracks in Sonar and stuff like that. Are we all really that shallow?
ChillinBuzz	Date: October 21, 2007 @ 2:04 AM I wouldn't compare you to an intellectually challenged person like AJ, now that would be an insult to the poor deluded mess he is. Arguing does get tiring but as long as jerkoff keeps dragging the issue up, over and over again, then someone's going to kick back. Get over it, Kingo. AJ is banned. He earned the ban. You don't get to say when it should be overturned or dropped. All you fucking seem to do here half of the time is complain about his treatment, complain about something else or post something inciteful. I think I've said it before though, you are welcome to try shitting on me. Anytime you like. If it stops you talking about your best buddy and makes you think about spending more time with your family (that I hope you don't treat the same way you do to others here) then there's hope. However, given it's not made a difference at all here, I won't be holding my breath. No, I don't like you. And I know you don't like me. I don't give a shit either way but like you I have friends here too and some of them you just seem to go out of your way to piss off.
zedsalt	Date: October 21, 2007 @ 10:28 AM I'm kind of torn, here. I mean, what do you do when someone is so painfully insecure, so sadly lacking in self esteem, that it's difficult to even watch? Calling him on it would only serve to make matters worse, right? Would I be guilty of some kind of Sin of Omission if I forced myself to ignore someone acting like a "nutjob" who's being "erratic, insulting, abusive of the rules and threatening" at least one of the people who make this a site worth visiting? Maybe we could have another Quirk awards and add categories for "Best Welcome Wagoneer" and "Non-admin' Who Has Worked Hardest to Keep the Site Small"...
GeneHilbert	Date: October 21, 2007 @ 11:08 AM "Can't we all just get along"......... Yeah Right...... As If..... LOL But seriously folks, take my wife..... Please
kingo	Date: October 21, 2007 @ 12:12 PM On 21st Oct 2009, ChillinBuzz said: If it stops you talking about your best buddy and makes you think about spending more time with your family (that I hope you don't treat the same way you do to others here) then there's hope. I'm very happy to see that you're concerned for my family, and how much time I spend with them, and how I treat them. It's touching. There's only one person here who I treat with contempt and a lack of respect. I only act like that to people who've earned it. If you take my complaining to be an attack on the admins who delete threads and accounts and things, that's your business. As far as I'm concerned I'm complaining about a site policy; that has no bearing whatever on how I feel about the people doing it. So yes, there's only one person who's earned my contempt, and you just keep on doing it.
kingo	Date: October 21, 2007 @ 12:24 PM On 21st Oct 2009, Woof said: Lately, though, it seems like all we do is argue. Doesn't that get a little tiring? I mean... when there isn't a good exchange of animosity going on in these forums, all that's left for visitors to see as a representation of who we are, is promotions and questions about how to slice tracks in Sonar and stuff like that. Are we all really that shallow? Agreed. And I commend the people who are trying against the odds to get interesting discussions going here. I even try to chip in when I'm not distracted with complaining about something or inciting... whatever is I apparently seem to be inciting. On 21st Oct 2009, zedsalt said: I'm kind of torn, here. I mean, what do you do when someone is so painfully insecure, so sadly lacking in self esteem, that it's difficult to even watch? Calling him on it would only serve to make matters worse, right? Would I be guilty of some kind of Sin of Omission if I forced myself to ignore someone acting like a "nutjob" ... That's probably the high road. I was on it at one point, I remember it well. Was a bright, sunny day... unfortunately I tripped and fell down to the muddy low road, being unable to sit and watch the bullshit hypocrisy anymore. Falling to the low road certainly didn't do anything to make me happier, but it gives me something to do here in the forums when there's nothing else going on. I actually managed to ignore Buzz for the past year, thinking maybe the "ignore it and it'll go away" tactic might deserve a re-try. This thread containts the first time I've broken that silence, for all the good it's done.
DeadraveN	Date: October 21, 2007 @ 12:58 PM y'know, regardless of which side of this particular arguement one were to take, (and I'm sure everyone familiar with the situation has by now firmly decided on their stance..) by now it has just gotten to the point of ridiculousness. No one is going to change anyone's mind anymore. No one is going to change site policy. We've all heard what everyone has to say on the matter. For the love of god can't we just drop it? Fradonaghy just finished pulling off a very well run round of DM awards.. Israfel started up another game of Truth or Dare.. the Halloween Battles are in full swing.. there's a whole site full of great music to be discovered, and hundreds of talented musicians to collaborate with or just discourse with.. All told, there's a shitload of more fun, stimulating and productive things we could be doing...
Distilled1	Date: October 21, 2007 @ 1:11 PM ^
zedsalt	Date: October 22, 2007 @ 10:35 AM Kingo's "containts" of 12:24 yesterday afternoon is my favorite typo in recent memory.
zedsalt	Date: October 22, 2007 @ 10:43 AM Ooh! And I should use DeadraveN's eloquent call for common sense as a chance to encourage people to play around with my latest batch of unfinished tunes! The five new ones are a little different in that they're all in the same key. You can abut chunks of each against the others, even overlap them a little. You could play and/or sing along with all of them, and just paste together all the best bits, if you like. "fun, stimulating and productive"? You never know, maybe so!
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: October 22, 2007 @ 5:21 PM Slicing tracks in Sonar is not shallow, it's educational. I don't use Sonar but am still interested. Enhancement of music, musical ideas and music technology is a huge part of why I come here. I learned a lot from posts by Tim Sanders, Gene Hilbert, Hueseph and others. To me, the stuff about cheese and muffins, truth or dare, blonde jokes, sexy competitions and the like is the shallow end of the pool. I usually avoid it. It doesn;t make me want to leave the site but I MISS intelligent conversation about MUSIC and MUSICAL TECHNOLOGY at this site. A.J. Presensky's and his various aliases random posts were neither intelligent nor interesting but I'm not sure it warranted a ban originally. But when it results in flaming and insulting people and admins as it has this time, click off, gone... don't let the door hit you in the ass....and I don't blame the powers that be. DeadRaven is correct that there are so many positive things about the site that we shouldn't let one or two niggles undermine it.
Distilled1	Date: October 22, 2007 @ 6:46 PM woo leeds
desiderata	Date: October 23, 2007 @ 12:44 PM How come when I wander through here on occasion it's shit like this that I comment on? Chillinbuzz, if anyone shits on your forehead, you deserve it. No one has come on here talking about your family. Supposedly AJ was banned in part because he insulted people, right? Look at yourself. Is there a "deleteself" button you could use? "You only scrape by because the remaining staff just don't have the balls to strangle this crap before it gets out of hand." What? You would need to have really powerful balls to go around strangling people because you don't like what they say. You don't have to like it. You just need to learn to tolerate people who aren't like you. Thankfully, that's most of us. Let the crazies talk ...
imemine	Date: October 23, 2007 @ 1:29 PM Anyone who knows me knows how I feel about the intent of this thread. I’ve been trying to avoid this----AGAIN----- as I don’t really have a dog in the fight here anymore. I haven’t been around enough to make a difference-----or care. Kingo has a point though, besides the one on the top of his pointy little head. If DMusic is happy with the 28 or 29 people who frequent the site----so be it! Keep doing things the same way and expect the same results. Regarding “intellectual conversation”---I’ve been known to involve myself in such conversations in the past. We’ve discussed bits and bytes and jitter and specs and inputs and outputs and normaled verses half normaled and balanced verses unbalanced and PC verses MAC and Pro Tools verses……. And, and, and, and all kinds of “intellectual” stuffs! That information is widely available across the internet and I find that other sites offer people that are closer to the question that I usually have regarding my “specific” quandary than are those here at DMusic. MOST of the time. DMusic IS occasionally graced by the anointed and words of the scribe are sometimes passed on to the peoples. We here at DMusic have even solved the world’s political problems several times over HOWEVER--------sometimes----SOMETIMES--------I prefer cheese! AND……because I sometimes prefer cheese….I have banned MYSELF because this site often lacks that “intellectual” cheese conversation that I need from a website! "Is there a "deleteself" button you could use? " Hi Desi! Look....we scared her off AGAIN! No she's going to tell Mux!
Apertome	Date: October 23, 2007 @ 1:50 PM
BOWILLIE	Date: October 23, 2007 @ 2:09 PM ..ooooo noooooooo not the salt!
GTOriginal	Date: October 23, 2007 @ 3:17 PM
moam	Date: October 23, 2007 @ 3:18 PM Heh, I like how people keep that, "I hate these arguments" attitude, but keep coming back to it and posting Obviously I enjoy it, which is why I'm posting here in the first place, seeing as these arguments are really the only thing that keeps this site active, sadly enough... I bet if it weren't for my post in the awards forum, the topic would have like less than half the interaction As little as people like to admit it, these disagreements and arguments are exciting. Honestly there really isn't enough interaction on this site to keep it exciting besides that. And Buzz, I gotta say, I think greatly of you and all, but I do kind of disagree with the "Kingo's family" comment. Hmmm as far as talking about music and intelligent convos about that stuff, Leeds, I think sadly enough a majority of DM (me included) just gets bored with that. Threads talking about different types of music programs...or computer systems...or even just listing your favorite artist...they just put me to sleep. I bet nearly everyone on DM here thinks the exact same way, unless of course this music program is like your passion/your obsession, then great! Anyways, not trying to argue with you at all, just saying that I think the "cheese" topics are the most enjoyable to most people. If we wanna have more intelligent convos about music and such, why not have more games/contests/activities allowing us as artists to express ourselves and proudly share our own music? I think that would always keep the music hype up if someone thought of a genius type of activity or forum topic to post that will get our own sound out there more...ya know? I do think that in the past month or so, we honestly have done quite a bit to improve this site. Look at what we've done! An awards contest, Mary wrote another interview, Steven Davies always making the radio shows, friggin' battles, Truth or Dare, heh, and I like to say that the thread that Saint and I thought up "I Hate Your Song Thread" is pretty hilarious... I mean, all this combined feels like more than we've accomplished at once in like...i dunno, a fuckin' year?? Heh, as long as passionate music-lovers come on this site and continue to enjoy it as they choose to enjoy it, it will be a successful site cause its making some of us happy. Like I said, I find all this recent blow up of activity interesting and fun to read! Those who hate arguing and get pissed off when they see disagreement, don't post in this topic! Post in one of the other hundreds of topics...or fuck! Make a new one! And desiderata, when you looked at this topic, it was your choice to pick this ONE out of the hundreds that we have on DM. And Woof: you're a great guy too, but this ONE topic isn't a representation of who we are...it's just one topic where a lot of people disagree. Dude, other websites have A LOT more drama go on than this site. What, we have these heated arguments like 2-5 times per year? If even? If I were new to this site, I wouldn't come to the conclusion that this site is full of angry bitches who only know how to argue...after reading this ONE post. People are entitled to their opinions and if they disagree, by all means, argue your opinion. I'm all for that. More than anything, this disagreement goes to show that we are all individuals with our own opinions! Sometimes when nothing is going on at all, I feel like everyone here is a fucking robot, with no opinions at all! People seem to usually be too afraid to disagree or state their opinion, so I find nothing wrong with a fun little debate here and there
kingo	Date: October 23, 2007 @ 9:48 PM Well said, Moam. Most of it, anyway.
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: October 23, 2007 @ 10:59 PM If the fun and trivial stuff bothered me I'd stay away - it doesn't bother me, but it doesn't do much for me either. I guess it's a RANGE of topics that is missing, we seem to have narrowed down quite a bit. Threads about music and music making can be done to death too, and I can get my fix of tech geekiness at kvr or recording.org or gearslutz. And I find that I frequently have to these days. I think we have had plenty of positive things happen at the site recently, generated by dedicated users such as the competitions and such. There have been attempts to do christmas collabs and more, hopefully a collab competition or mass collab will come off and not be left as a no show situation. Moderation is always a thorny subject and we run the whole range of opinions, from people who agree with heavy moderation, such as at cubase.net, to those people who feel there should be no moderation at all and cases in between (i.e. moderate spam but leave discussions) Moam, I agree that sometimes out quarterly bust ups are cathartic and let out a release. I've seen (and had such situations myself) where people have been spitting blood at each other and then a few weeks after, everything is fine again. We've had the seal clubbing post, the redesign, your infamous masturbation thread and this censorship issue of an individual. It brings out passions in people and life needs passion. We are a pretty forgiving group by and large too, a handful of people back out each time but it's all a part of the ever changing dynamic.
GeneHilbert	Date: October 23, 2007 @ 11:34 PM I've started threads about theory, scales and production..... and most didn't give a shit. Most here would rather spend their time on crap.... which is eerily synonymous......
moam	Date: October 23, 2007 @ 11:39 PM Well here's a topic I figured might entertain some people, and it's not a shit one either http://www.dmusic.com/forum/interact/27641#20
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: October 23, 2007 @ 11:52 PM Gene, I have enjoyed your insight into scales, theory and production. Even if I didn't get in on the thread. We've just had new versions of Sonar and Logic, a major update to Cubase 4 (giving sidechaining and free routing of audio tracks for the first time), Ableton Live 7 is coming with a wealth of new features. Reason 4 is being beta tested. Barely a mention of any of these things, but I know I can rely on Dmusic for my daily fix of gossip, office humour and amusig photoshopped pictures at least
BlackMage	Date: October 24, 2007 @ 8:21 AM You were talking about what now? AJ? Good riddance, says I. Thread closed.
kingo	Date: October 24, 2007 @ 9:31 AM WAY TO GO, BLACKMAGE, YOU'VE SOLVED THE WORLDS PROBLEMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Exclamation.
GeneHilbert	Date: October 24, 2007 @ 10:13 AM LOL.......
K3VIN	Date: October 24, 2007 @ 12:51 PM Free A.J. realest gangsta alive.
ChillinBuzz	Date: October 24, 2007 @ 4:20 PM haha, about as gangsta as a used condom.
BlackMage	Date: October 24, 2007 @ 6:24 PM Thank you, thank you!
ChillinBuzz	Date: October 25, 2007 @ 1:46 AM you be quiet! in fact, the next person to speak will get a bitch slap
moam	Date: October 25, 2007 @ 2:11 AM
ChillinBuzz	Date: October 25, 2007 @ 2:12 AM I knew you would, that's what you like getting, you tart!
moam	Date: October 25, 2007 @ 2:22 AM
ChillinBuzz	Date: October 25, 2007 @ 2:39 AM awwww
MickeyBreezy	Date: October 27, 2007 @ 2:04 AM i have noticed that this site is either dead, or someones fighting, its becoming normal. i do remember when one thread would live for months w/ hundreds of posts in it, nowadays, each thread seems to last only a day or so, w/ only a few posts. most of these threads are either just dumb, or maybe not interesting, whatever the case is. what gets me is that people have said we need to get more involved in the interviews and awards and things. well look what happend, the awards thread was on life support until moam shook things up a little bit, then the drama ensued and people were interested. what about the last spotlight (and no i'm not just trying to draw attention to myself) but i think only like 10 questions were asked by the users here, when in past spotlights there would be 4 to 5 times that. and then only about 5 people commented on the actual interview (obviously not everyone will comment that reads it) but once again in past spotlights there were a slew of comments. my point here is that the easy solution is to focus on the positive things around here, but in reality, nobody is really doing that. i remember getting on here and every minute i would have a new shout, or note, or response in a thread, constant activity. now my page goes for weeks w/ no new shouts, no new notes, i come to the forums, and see the same threads w/ no new posts, this place is at a standstill right now, and we all want to change that, but nobody actually puts forth the effort to change it, they just speculate on what it would take, basically, we really need to work on our follow through people. also i do see more and more people getting over emotional on here anymore, we used to be complete assholes, to be funny, and everyone had a great time. now if you disagree w/ somebody, dont let them know, or else it'll turn into a whold big ordeal, come on people, we have got to relax. ...and as a disclaimer, this post was not directed at any one user, nor was it meant to throw shots at anyone, just simply what i've been seeing going on lately. ~Breezy
Woof	Date: October 27, 2007 @ 2:56 AM You know, Breezy... they say that defining a problem is 9/10 of solving it, and I really don't see anything that hits the mark as well as what you've just written. It isn't a matter of follow through, though... I disagree with that. Because follow through is obligatory, and often a chore unless it's sincere. In other words, people could indeed make a conscious effort to support certain messages here, but the effort would show... and it would make for some pretty tedious reading. What we have to look at, and this was part of the point that I was trying to make before, is what kind of ways we can use this forum to make it interesting to visitors to DM... not just the artists who have work here. And what will make it interesting to them in a way that will present the artists here in an attractive light. By that, I mean in a way that would keep us looking appealing to outside audiences. Audiences that we're always wracking our brains trying to figure out how to draw, by the way. I don't think that posts about poop and pee, or infighting between the artists, accomplishes that goal. What would help, is putting up topics that ask questions and beg for thoughtful discussion or interaction. Not just the latest headlines for people to comment on, and not a lot of recording tech stuff, either (and please excuse my reiterating that... it's not meant to provoke). Listeners are not recordists, and don't have the slightest interest in what plugins someone used to get a certain guitar sound. They want to know what kind of thoughts all of us have on the world that THEY live in. Which is why certain topics have been intriguing... even though they may have come from individuals who weren't too aware or respectful of where the lines are drawn. At the very least, unique subject matter was presented. And that's what we should be looking for. Not what's the most sensational, the most spiteful, or the most base... but what's the most unusual. Then people can come here and go "Wow! I've never seen anything like THAT before". And we'll get listeners involved in the same threads with the artists. Don't we want that?
ChillinBuzz	Date: October 27, 2007 @ 8:00 AM well, i'm sure the top brass (wherever the hell they might be 99% of the time) are open to suggestions, assuming anything comes of it. i'm all for waking this place up in a positive way... as long as it doesn't involve:
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: October 27, 2007 @ 10:29 AM The problem is woof that thoughtful, intelligent, debate provoking threads are just not the thing that gets this place buzzing. Henri Roger and Gene Hilbert have tried that with music theory and scales, Woof with his posts on the music biz and the riaa and Simon Waldram with various themes about civil liberty and politics. Anything remotely intelligent about politics or religion soon gets jumped on and denigrates to a primary school 'my dad'd bigger than your dad' argument where the 'winner' os the one who used the most foul language to insult the other. And I'm sorry to say that on a couple of occasions, I've let myself down by jumping in pouring fuel on the flame. I think deep down that we all have those animal instincts to like a fight, to like to be right (at all costs) and to post some very low brow/offensive humor and sexual insinuations. I understand it, people work hard and life can be stressful, a bit of light relief can be fun and lighthearted. BUt too much light relief and we just appear to the casual observer to be a joke. Mickey - I feel for ya man, you contribute a lot to this site and I was genuinely interested in your 'spotlight' interview, I guess either too many people felt uncomfortable about your main genre of music to ask but the simple fact is, in spite of good efforts from you and K3 that Hip Hop at DM is just hanging on life support in a coma right now. The top brass need to encourage more people in communities outside of rock, electronic and alternative. We don't exactly have an active representation in jazz, blues, country, reggae etc. either. The only thing we can do is try and spread the word. Saxsinger has encouraged a couple of people to the site, AORPete brought his entire musical family and ravens 10. Another thing to consider - why are we here at all. Many other sites such as Soundclick, Acid Planet, Artistlaunch, mp3.com, purevolume etc. seem to be just a place to upload music, collabing is going on at those places but people are not involved in community forums or shoutboxing at any of these places, yet they seem to thrive while we are treading water....suggesting that people there are there just for the music and not for the debate or shoutboxing.
kingo	Date: October 27, 2007 @ 10:52 AM I'm here strictly to argue with everyone.
zedsalt	Date: October 27, 2007 @ 11:15 AM Well, according to ChillinBuzz, that was what the redesign was SUPPOSED to do- cut down on the traffic. He said that this is something that "has to happen" here every once in a while to ensure that DM never gets as big as those other sites. And by making DMusic less "about the music", they've obviously succeeded. The proliferation of flaming, trolling, copyright infringement, etc. is a foreseeable and, apparently, acceptable consequence of that self-sabotage.
Israfel	Date: October 27, 2007 @ 2:19 PM kingo, man, I love you. And that is a sincere statement. Some may see you as an upstart but too bad...you are the flashlight of reality around here sometimes. I appreciate that. As for the top brass being open to suggestions, as Buzz stated...hmmmm, I'm not so sure anymore. I know many that have made suggestions, good ones too, and their hasn't been a response. Not even so much as a "we'll take that into cosideration." Honestly, I don't think it's a matter of only the members having more options or of the brass making changes. Doesn't anyone else feel there is an air of mediocrity here going on at all levels? We're sort of stuck in this warp where we either all jump into the icky pool if someone posts a poopy thread or we careen off topic if someone attempts to post a meatier thread or we ignore threads all together. Few seem to have much to say these days that is sincere. Sincerity is at a premium and, truth be told, not always met with open arms. So, regardless of what the "top brass" decide to do or don't do, unless we nip the insincerity bug in the ass...not a whole hell of lot will ever change.

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