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AdamsGod	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 3:24 AM heya! Having some issues with updating my band members. every time i input hteir information and hit update, well.. nothing changes. anyone know whats up?
ShadowMom	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 3:29 AM It's broken, I think. I thought it was only my account, because I have an SQL error on my artist page. Send a HelpDesk ticket and the coders will fix it.
ShadowMom	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 3:31 AM If you'd like, I can try to do this for you. Just note me the user name that you want to add, and this is assuming it's a legal addition-- not a non-subscriber who is already listed on another artist page.
AdamsGod	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 4:09 AM i want to add my band mebers: bass guitar keys drums i think they deserve credit, since they are a part of the band. they are not a part of the dmusic community, i am tho!
ShadowMom	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 4:57 AM Ahhh... you can only list them in your artist notes then, if they aren't registered here. Add them either to your artist bio, or in the notes on that page. No account, no adding.
AdamsGod	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 5:04 AM ahh, i see how it works. alright its all good.
Distilled1	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 5:05 AM just make them accounts as listeners and then you can add them then et them the info maybe they will pop in
ShadowMom	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 5:06 AM No, that's against the rules. THEY have to make the accounts. It has to do with upload space.
rhthesinner	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 5:09 AM Either he does or they do... How's that effect space?
ShadowMom	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 5:12 AM I will amend that statement... if he registers five times, and adds them to his artist page, I will delete those five new members when I find them. It's against the rules.
NosmoKing	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 5:19 AM Your a tough one! Remind me to stay on your good side!
ShadowMom	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 5:20 AM I have one? Thank you!
NosmoKing	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 5:21 AM Benefit of the doubt!
ShadowMom	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 5:25 AM Optimist!
kingo	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 6:50 AM On 21st Mar 2008, ShadowMom said: I will amend that statement... if he registers five times, and adds them to his artist page, I will delete those five new members when I find them. It's against the rules. That doesn't make any sense. Why can't internet-savvy band-members create the accounts for the other members of their bands?
Israfel	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 9:04 AM I think what Shadowmom means is this...if Adamsgod REGISTERS five times as five other people and adds those people to the band - that is against the rules. If he were to register them as individual accounts (not one person registering five times) then that would be okay. At least I think that's what she means.
Distilled1	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 9:15 AM well thats how I did it with Eric and Marv cause they both can hardly open an e-amil Delete them too!
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 9:41 AM She's basically saying, "If he creates 5 accounts for the same band he can use all 5 to upload music to the band page, therefore a single artist in this example would have 375MB of storage space when the rules allow only 75MB. All you'd have to do to get around is claim they were all different people using the same computer"... That's a problem, obviously, since you should now see the loophole for possible abuse. Someone pays a sub to get 1500MB of space then watches an artist cheat the system by pretending to be several different members of the same band to get say half that space, wouldn't be fair. So ShadowMom is right to call that. We covered this possible line of abuse quite some time ago and it also made the news threads - Van posted something about it.
Distilled1	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 11:23 AM well how I did it was to use the other members e-mail so that they could re set their pass words etc. I didn't see it that way, wow so I didn't have to sub and I could have used Marvs account I see that well thats not how I was looking at it nor I think how Adam is . Adam if they have computers etc. have them create an account and then you can add them, but I do believe you HAVE to SUB to add members no? or no wait thats other bands shit I have been a sub so long I forgot!
Distilled1	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 11:25 AM and PS there are many mnay bands with this set up look at the one with the puic and the 3-4 others in the group with the bobblehead gif thing... thats what was done you know it was but are they using it for space? I don't think so but hey now we know how to do it
ShadowMom	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 11:41 AM I said what I meant and I meant what I said but I don't push subscribers and right now, there's a lot of leeway with the rules because of the problems. But one day, if you're using more than one user account, connected to an artist account, I will have to have a chat with you. is correct-- the space is allotted to the user account, not the artist account. It's simple. ALL artist accounts you administer MUST be connected to your main user account, because that's where the space is calculated. But I'm not looking right now. No new ones will be exempt, though. FREE doesn't mean unlimited.
Distilled1	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 1:05 PM I think the space needs to be aloted to the band , but hey i'm not a coder .. and so what I did in 2003 was against the rules? I never saw that anywhere. If he makes them and adds them that so then he as a band member gets the space? no right each account gets the space, if they are just there, and not uploading is it against the rules? and what if he makes them and they take the account over and decide to upload, is it then against the rules? what if they come on and they are added and now all 5 separate accounts have 75 so then, they can legally upload to that band no? I think I am lost.. I know when Eric [icon:Empireday3] decided to upload his solo work I believe he wound up having to become a sub. as he was already a member of Empire Day, and thats why I thought the space went to the band collectively. Oh my now I am even more confused as he hasen't been on becase he and zed I think had a flame war in a political forum now what to do should he then come of the band account and keep his solo work or should the solo work come down? or was being a sub for x=? years/months ok? what if cost=x times a+B12 {x being Yx- cost flame fourm + bandx2=1999} and then we have that matter of the damn ...
Mojosnake	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 1:24 PM On 21st Mar 2008, Distilled1 said: I think the space needs to be aloted to the band , but hey i'm not a coder .. and so what I did in 2003 was against the rules? I never saw that anywhere. If he makes them and adds them that so then he as a band member gets the space? no right each account gets the space, if they are just there, and not uploading is it against the rules? and what if he makes them and they take the account over and decide to upload, is it then against the rules? what if they come on and they are added and now all 5 separate accounts have 75 so then, they can legally upload to that band no? I think I am lost.. I know when Eric [icon:Empireday3] decided to upload his solo work I believe he wound up having to become a sub. as he was already a member of Empire Day, and thats why I thought the space went to the band collectively. Oh my now I am even more confused as he hasen't been on becase he and zed I think had a flame war in a political forum now what to do should he then come of the band account and keep his solo work or should the solo work come down? or was being a sub for x=? years/months ok? what if cost=x times a+B12 {x being Yx- cost flame fourm + bandx2=1999} and then we have that matter of the damn ...
Distilled1	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 1:43 PM On 21st Mar 2008, Mojosnake said: [QUOTE info=Distilled1,March 21, 2008 @ 1:05 PM] or was being a sub for x=? years/months ok? what if cost=x times a+B12 {x being Yx- cost flame fourm + bandx2=1999} and then we have that matter of the damn ... [/QUOTE] was it that that got you? cause thats the easy part to get
ShadowMom	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 2:19 PM Where is my translator??? I told you, we mainly look for newer accounts. What happens if you're a sub with two artist accounts and you decide not to subscribe anymore? You lose access to the second account. It doesn't disappear, that's not our style. But you can't add to it anymore, or edit it, or access it in any way, until you resubscribe. BUT if we find that you have one non-sub user account and you have an artist page attached to it, then you register under another user name and open ANOTHER artist account, one of those artist accounts will be deleted. You personally have the space promised you-- and when you are in a band, all the band members have their own allotments. Clear as mud, right? And I repeat, we don't go looking for it, and it has evolved after much hashing it out among the admins and the coders, too. Remember, none of us were here when the original code was written. Our purpose is not to stifle or punish, but if there are no limits, there is no reason for non-subscribers to ever subscribe. We already give more free space than MySpace or Soundclick, for instance, if I understand those sites correctly. But there DOES have to be a line somewhere.
Distilled1	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 2:32 PM I know but what I am saying is both my band mates accounts are illegal (even though I am a sub) right? and I don't think Marv ever accessed his and heck if I remember what I put for his temp password. but here let me see if I got this right. IF Adams bandmates, make their own page all withing the same day and are added to the band they will be deleted? because that gives the band more room, see I say this because how would anyone know unless the IPs were being looked at non stop. anad Adam for on has always used less space than he is alloted. deleting songs to re upload new ones or new masters etc. Unlike me who keeps adding more and more junk I know I'm a sub so really if I am and the band mates have 75 each in theory (we as a band) have 150mb more for the band if they upload songs as well ? thats pretty cool and I never knew that I will have Eric or Marv upload all Empire Days stuff again so I can use my alloted space for my solo stuff ... no thats a pain in the arse! so as soon as someone is added as a member be it guitar or vocals or webmaster they get that space, cause users can't upload mp3s can they? just photos yeah?
NosmoKing	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 2:33 PM Ok.. you want this translated.. fine. It's getting complicated and it's all greek to me! Σας ειπα, θα εξετασουμε κυριως για νεοτερες λογαριασμων. Τι θα συμβει αν εισαι καλλιτεχνης, με δυο επιμερους λογαριασμους και δεν μπορειτε να αποφασισει να εγγραφειτε αλλο; Εχετε χασει την προσβαση στον δευτερο λογαριασμο. Δεν εξαφανιζονται, δεν μας στυλ. Αλλα δεν μπορειτε να προσθεσετε σε αυτην πια, η επεξεργασια, η προσβαση σε αυτον με οποιονδηποτε τροπο, μεχρι να ξανα. , Αλλα αν διαπιστωσετε οτι εχετε ενα μη-sub λογαριασμο χρηστη και εχετε εναν καλλιτεχνη σελιδα που επισυναπτονται σε αυτην, τοτε μητρωο υπο αλλο ονομα χρηστη και τον ανοιχτο λογαριασμο αλλου καλλιτεχνη, ενα απο αυτα καλλιτεχνη λογαριασμων θα διαγραφει. Εσεις προσωπικα εχω υποσχεθει ο χωρος σας - και οταν βρισκεστε σε μια μπαντα, ολα τα μελη της μπαντας εχουν τις δικες τους εκτασεις. Σαφης ως λασπη, right? Και επαναλαμβανω, δεν ειναι να αναζητουν τους, και εχει εξελιχθει πολυ μετα hashing it out μεταξυ των διαχειριστες και οι κωδικοποιητων, too. Θυμηθειτε, κανεις μας δεν ηταν εδω οταν το αρχικο κωδικα εγραφε. Ο σκοπος μας δεν ειναι να αναστειλει η να τιμωρησει, αλλα αν δεν υπαρχουν ορια, δεν υπαρχει κανενας λογος για τη μη συνδρομητες ποτε να εγγραφειτε. Εχουμε ηδη δωσει περισσοτερο ελευθερο χωρο απο το MySpace η Soundclick, για παραδειγμα, αν καταλαβα σωστα αυτες τις τοποθεσιες. ΛΕΙΤΟΥΡΓΕΙ αλλα πρεπει να ειναι μια γραμμη καπου
Distilled1	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 2:34 PM Greek style! pass the :lamb:
kingo	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 2:37 PM This is needlessly confusing, if you ask me. And it could have the effect of limiting membership. The reasoning behind it is clear, but the rules you're talking about just add headache. The RULE is (or should be, if you ask me, which nobody did,) that any one PERSON has x amount of space. Clear enough. If BobSpackleTruck has 4 actual, live people in his band, he should be able to create accounts for THOSE PEOPLE. This would not change the RULE: BobSpackleTruck would still only be able to upload using his own account. If the other three people in his band then end up being convinced, because of BobSpackleTruck's repeated punishment sessions, to login using those accounts and then upload stuff, no rule is being broken. Some people WON'T EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER sign up for an account. But those same people MIGHT ACTUALLY JUST become contributing community members if someone shoves an account down their throat. The rule that any one person can't create multiple accounts doens't do anything to guarantee that people don't upload using multiple accounts. A person who wanted to do that could just as easily get some other random fried to create an account and then give them the name and password. That violates the spirit of the rule but not the letter of it. Again, What AdamsGod is (or was) asking for and what I'm talking about has nothing to do with trying to get extra space. It just has to do with 1. trying to get user accounts for all the members of a band and 2. possibly enticing the other band members to actually come here. Not that I speak from experience.
ShadowMom	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 2:38 PM Suffice it to say... each user has an allotment. When you upload a track, the MBs are deleted from YOUR total, not your bandmates' totals. As a sub, you have 1500 MBs, as non-subs, they have 75 MBs. Spread any which way you want to, over however many artist accounts you have, that is YOUR total. Don't think artist or band, think user. YOU are the subscriber, and it entitles YOU to more space, not your band per se.
Distilled1	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 2:44 PM damnit now I am lost again Adam have your mates make an account and addthem as band members after they do... issue solved. yes Kingo thats what I did had to shove it to them.. and look it got a subscriber from one for a while
ShadowMom	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 2:51 PM Don't be lost... He can create the user accounts. He just can't add them as members of the band. He can list them on the artist page, but those accounts cannot access the bandpage if they are all Adam's accounts. As I said, it took a while to understand, but it is very simple. One user can only have so much free space. If Adam is the same user 5 times over, he can access 5 times the space. In reality, this allows MORE space for a band if ALL its members register, even if they never do anything else. And it gives those of you with multiple artist accounts the freedom to choose how your MBs are used, instead of being tied to x MBs per band.
Mojosnake	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 2:54 PM i dont think the is helping
Distilled1	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 2:55 PM Oh hell now your doing the x+YxZ stuff I'm out of here
Mojosnake	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 2:57 PM + = ME
ShadowMom	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 2:57 PM Okay, I should say having all the members of the band REGISTERED and uploading gives the band more space, because all of them have their own amount. Each person can upload to their 75 MB limit. The only limits on the artist pages is created by whether or not the user is a subscriber, i.e., how many tracks can be visible at one time, etc. We haven't really started enforcing those rules yet, and now is not the best time, obviously. We know it's a stressful time for all of you.
Distilled1	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 2:58 PM +=ME
Mojosnake	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 3:00 PM stress?!?!
ShadowMom	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 3:02 PM See? I didn't really want to explain it to you! It gives ME a too!
Israfel	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 3:03 PM I'm sorry...could you repeat that?
Mojosnake	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 3:06 PM moochie!!!!!!
ShadowMom	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 3:08 PM See? I didn't really want to explain it to you! It gives ME a too!
Mojosnake	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 3:10 PM wait i havent drank THAT much
ShadowMom	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 3:12 PM Walk that line then! Touch that finger to the nose, and no cheating! (I saw that stuff in movies, btw )
Distilled1	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 3:13 PM one mre time
ShadowMom	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 3:14 PM Mmmmmmmmmm......NO!
Mojosnake	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 3:16 PM ... hey as long as i dont have to do the alphabet backwards i'm golden ... i cant even do that sober
Israfel	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 3:18 PM I, for one, have found this very helpful. I have no idea why you all are having a problem with it.
Mojosnake	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 3:21 PM helpful?.......
evansorchid	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 3:24 PM Since I was a subscriber when the shit hit the fan, and haven't really been compensated, and don't foresee that I will ever be compensated, and don't foresee that my current account will ever work properly again unless I simply delete everything that I've uploaded and start from scratch....anyway...this thread has me thinking....I know....dangerous.....but seriously... If I open a new non-subscriber account with 75 meg of space, and upload my most recent mp3s on to this new account, then create links in my journal in my old 'evansorchid' account to better direct folks to this most recent material, instead of mooching the space from Mojosnake or Distilled1.....would I get into trouble? Or am I just psychotically hanging on to 3 years worth of 'comments' like Golum's precious?
Mojosnake	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 3:26 PM good thought though has me thinking too ...... i am a comment whore
Distilled1	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 3:27 PM It will work again .. it will Have Faith!!
Israfel	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 3:27 PM Yes that would work...I think...except if you've used all your current space...that would still count against you. Hence the reason I couldn't upload our collab on my other user page.
Mojosnake	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 3:29 PM ah yes but different email,,,slightly different username and your set right ...
Israfel	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 3:41 PM remind me never to ask Mojo to keep a secret cause he BLABS IT ALL OVER THE PLACE!
ShadowMom	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 3:47 PM yes... he does. And yes, I would. You will be taken care of, Spike, you will.... When I can upload again, I'll bitch about the rest WITH you guys! Oh, damn, I'm the one who gets a lot of the bitchin'... never mind!
Mojosnake	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 3:48 PM doht!!!!!!!!
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 21, 2008 @ 5:59 PM extra accounts: no worries. abusing it: how do they stop it then? evansorchid: are you posting in the right thread? just kidding. fair point, maybe you should be allowed to add another one as compensation but what happens when you've been "compensated" and keep the page up? do they ignore it (which isn't that bad a problem) or do they slap your bottom like a very naughty boy?
zedsalt	Date: March 22, 2008 @ 4:03 AM I must be mistaken when it comes to the definition of "flaming". I don't recall ever attacking any person likely to read a thread here. I attack the argument, not the arguer. My only weapons are carefully selected, empirically-tested facts and a rather dull wit.
Distilled1	Date: March 22, 2008 @ 8:22 AM oh I know^ but he took it personally some people can't take when they are not right and that is hom You may remember the thread it was very long post and was rep/dem crazy I think it was maybe about the start of 911 maybe ... hehe what I didn't get is his ..thats it I am leaving dmusic I wonder if hes been hacked at my space yet hes a bit tech challenged with the web being that he lived with AOL and its browser till a couple of months ago!
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 22, 2008 @ 8:44 AM the only flaming going on right now is on the oh come now, Zed. you know we love it when you get angry.