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Frawgster	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 11:17 AM Music Got it? I hope so.
Jennae	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 11:26 AM um.....yeah we know
thumbtack	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 12:01 PM Dimension? Hmm where it say dat? Not in the domain registry...not any more and hasn't for a while...the company name is DMusic LLC. What started out as Dimension is no longer Dimension...it is DMusic. the coloqueal name byassed the formal name long ago.. People know who dmusic is, they don't know who dimension music is...
thumbtack	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 12:01 PM at least not any more...
Frawgster	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 12:12 PM Do you even know why DimensionMusic was shortened to DMusic? I'm really curious. Does _anyone_ know? This inquiring mind wants to know...
Frawgster	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 12:13 PM PS - I like to think I know, but I may be wrong.
thumbtack	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 12:13 PM Have no idea Frawg
Frawgster	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 12:16 PM If you knew, you'd wonder how something so utterly trivial could result in a completely new name for Dimension Music.
Jennae	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 12:22 PM I want to know why the is upset
thumbtack	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 12:22 PM To tell ya the truth I don't really care... That's in the past...its over gone..
Frawgster	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 12:25 PM The past is, logically speaking, a pre-cursor to the future. At least, it should be. The past should _never_ be forgotten or dismissed so nonchalantly. One should look to the past not only to learn from mistakes, but to learn from successes. One should use the past to build for the future. Remembering and appreciating the past generally makes for a better future. Dismissing the past is a recipe for disaster.
thumbtack	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 12:27 PM I've seen the code I hate the past...
Frawgster	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 12:40 PM Aside from it acting as the building blocks for the aesthetic and functional side of the Dimension Music, what does the code have to do with the past?
Frawgster	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 12:41 PM That should read "of the Dimension Music of the past..."
Jennae	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 12:56 PM
thumbtack	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 1:01 PM The code was built in the past..it sucks..
milladrive	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 1:02 PM Right, so we're learning from that so as to never repeat it. We're talkin' apples and oranges here, tho, imho.
ashleighj	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 1:48 PM ummm.. how am i supposed to learn something about the past if you won't say something about it besides that it's important or something..? i used the word "something" far too many times in that sentence. but my point still stands..
Jennae	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 2:16 PM cough cough" id="49263">yes this should be a "note" issue and not in the forums. cough cough
Frawgster	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 2:39 PM or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." -------- Beautiful, no? Sorry if I irked anyone with my posts (Yes, they will continue), but when it comes to Dimension Music, I am _very_ adamant about Dimension Music. Perhaps this should have been a "note" issue, but I chose to make it a public issue. And why not? Is there something wrong with me informing the public of the original name of the site they love and frequent? Perhaps the tone of my post was off; perhaps it was a little confrontational, but like I said, this is an issue I am extremely adamant about." id="49267">"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." -------- Beautiful, no? Sorry if I irked anyone with my posts (Yes, they will continue), but when it comes to Dimension Music, I am _very_ adamant about Dimension Music. Perhaps this should have been a "note" issue, but I chose to make it a public issue. And why not? Is there something wrong with me informing the public of the original name of the site they love and frequent? Perhaps the tone of my post was off; perhaps it was a little confrontational, but like I said, this is an issue I am extremely adamant about.
Frawgster	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 2:42 PM And aside from that, I've not said anything about anything in a while. I've been good. I've kept my mouth shut. I've tried to go with the flow. I just don't think I can continue to do so...whatever the consequences may be...
Jennae	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 2:44 PM there is definitely nothing wrong with freedom of speech, but the purpose of a forum is so that others can discuss the thread topic. but the problem lies that most newer users do not understand the issue being dicussed. maybe you should elaborate on exactly why you are adamant on this and why you are feeling we could get a healthier dicussion on the topic at hand. I noted you and would love to hear what's up but I haven't heard back. so, what's up ?? I didn't even notice where the dimension music was denounced or how this topic came up so intense and suddenly... but i'm willing to listen
TripEclipse	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 2:57 PM Isn't the conversion of Dimension Music to Dmusic just the sign of the times? Everything and i mean "EVERYTHING" does that. It's a marketing concept that noone really has to initiate. It's like shortening Coca Cola to Coke.
Frawgster	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 3:15 PM I don't know...I'm just frustrated. I've run out of things to say. My thoughts are so fumbled right now, I'm out of stuff to say. More later. Oh, and Trip. Coke is a nickname for Coca-Cola. Coca-Cola did not change their official name to Coke. There's a not so subtle difference there." id="49272">What's up? Simple. I don't like where DM is going. I've tried to go with the flow. I really have. I don't like where this administration is taking DM. As I'm sure you know, I've been here since the beginning, and to be quite honest, this new crew is taking DM on a backwards trip to nowhere...IMHO. Sure, the changes have been somewhat subtle...the front page, the font, removal of "Dimension", but subtlety does not equate to inertness. This site used to be a site for the people. For the users. For the musicians. Now, for some reason, I can't help but feel that it's a site for the investors. I'm sure you can provide me with countless examples to try to negate my thoughts, but it won't help. I'm simply getting a bad vibe from DM. I'm getting a bad feeling. I see things. I see people. I read comments. And I'm getting a bad vibe. I don't like where DM is going. I don't feel it's going where its creator (Who is, unfortunately, out of the picture) intended it to go. I don't know...I'm just frustrated. I've run out of things to say. My thoughts are so fumbled right now, I'm out of stuff to say. More later. Oh, and Trip. Coke is a nickname for Coca-Cola. Coca-Cola did not change their official name to Coke. There's a not so subtle difference there.
TripEclipse	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 3:27 PM at least for a little while they tried to change the name... n the 80's but i don't want to argue with you.
Expose	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 3:36 PM I'll look at this later, a deep dish pizza awaits me. :nod: I miss all the good stuff. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: " id="49274">If it's "dimension" music, they shouldn't put digital music under it. Who's to blame someone for mistaking it? I'll look at this later, a deep dish pizza awaits me. I miss all the good stuff.
thumbtack	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 3:39 PM The site is about digital music, expose..
Expose	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 3:56 PM I agree. The ""owner" hasn't been here in a month and doesn't seem to be an admin, made a few posts, and tried to completely change the site. Yes, the site wants to make money. I don't see how Arial over Verdana and an anemic front page will change that. Sure, it's 0.2 seconds faster to load, but dial up users will be downloading 3-8 megabyte files anyway, so what's a few MS on loading the page if it could be so much better? " id="49277">Then why is it dimension? It should be one or the other. If the logo says DMusic with digital music under it, how is the name dimension music? If the logo says dimension music, then I get it. "As I'm sure you know, I've been here since the beginning, and to be quite honest, this new crew is taking DM on a backwards trip to nowhere...IMHO. Sure, the changes have been somewhat subtle...the front page, the font, removal of "Dimension", but subtlety does not equate to inertness. This site used to be a site for the people. For the users. For the musicians. Now, for some reason, I can't help but feel that it's a site for the investors. I'm sure you can provide me with countless examples to try to negate my thoughts, but it won't help. I'm simply getting a bad vibe from DM. I'm getting a bad feeling. I see things. I see people. I read comments. And I'm getting a bad vibe. I don't like where DM is going. I don't feel it's going where its creator (Who is, unfortunately, out of the picture) intended it to go." I agree. The ""owner" hasn't been here in a month and doesn't seem to be an admin, made a few posts, and tried to completely change the site. Yes, the site wants to make money. I don't see how Arial over Verdana and an anemic front page will change that. Sure, it's 0.2 seconds faster to load, but dial up users will be downloading 3-8 megabyte files anyway, so what's a few MS on loading the page if it could be so much better?
thumbtack	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 4:05 PM The owner is leflaw Expose..and if you are referring to Michelle, she is no longer part of DMusic.
Svensta	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 4:23 PM That was damn fast! What happeend?
leflaw	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 4:30 PM INVESTORS? WHERE? WHO? You mean I don't have to pay 100 percent of the cost of this site anymore? YEAHHHH!!! Frawgster invest? Where? When? How much? You know what dmusic stands for?? DMUSIC! Got it? Good.
Expose	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 4:31 PM this(only"> http://milladrive.dmusic.net/journals.php?journalid=34972">this(only " id="49291">What a surprise... someone with experience only from a broken place comes and changes everything, pisses people off, then leaves. Jeez, this is worse than politics. At least my normal bitching instincts told me not to believe talk like thisthis(only
Frawgster	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 4:35 PM Pardon my inaccurate syntax, Larry. I meant potential investors... Oh, and no, I don't get it. I won't get it. Sorry.
leflaw	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 4:46 PM Ok, what potential investors? You know of potential investors? Why don't you tell us where this site should be going, and where you think it is going. I know where I think its going. And what makes you think I don't know what Angelo's original vision was?
Expose	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 4:49 PM Angelo's version(by guess), was NOT killing the homepage just to make it load a bit snappier to impress people, against most of the site's will. Want more?
leflaw	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 4:50 PM Ps: When I bought this site, it had $8,000 worth of unpaid server bills, and was sitting on two pentium 1's, and was SSSSLOOOWWWWWWWWWW. You minimize the expense of getting ready to scale. Nobody thought about that, or it would have been built on Postgres, not mysql We haven't even started to develop this site. Its been in a holding pattern while we upgraded everything and brought on full time staff. Chris Bolt works for deviantart, remember? I have my own vision, thankyou.
Expose	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 4:53 PM Yes, but now it's sitting on $15000 dell servers, correct? Reduce the load on the servers AFTER you improve them? I don't get it.
Frawgster	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 4:55 PM mp3.com. I've said that before. mp3.com used to be awesome, till it sold out. So yes, I think DM is on the road to a sell out. Am I wrong? I most certainly hope so. If you can prove me wrong, please do so. I would appreciate it. And no, I don't know of any potential investors. That's the thing "potential". Are you going to sit there and honestly tell me that the changes being made have _nothing_ to do with wanting to attract more $$?" id="49300">What makes me think that? The fact that the changes being made here marginalize the community. The fact that I am unable to speak my mind, in public, without being chastised. Where I think it's going? I think it's going the way of mp3.com. I've said that before. mp3.com used to be awesome, till it sold out. So yes, I think DM is on the road to a sell out. Am I wrong? I most certainly hope so. If you can prove me wrong, please do so. I would appreciate it. And no, I don't know of any potential investors. That's the thing "potential". Are you going to sit there and honestly tell me that the changes being made have _nothing_ to do with wanting to attract more $$?
Frawgster	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 4:57 PM And, yes, I "remember" that Chris works for DA.
leflaw	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 4:58 PM Correct, not a fuckin thing. I'm trying to disintermediate the RIAA, and you say I'm trying to pull a Michael Robertson? I was approaced by investors. I told them to fuck off, because I did not want to sell out, that I was prepared to battle the monopoly. I wish there were investors for that! I have spent almost a million dollars over 10 years fighting the record industry. Where you been?
leflaw	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 5:01 PM Mp3.com was awesome before it sold out. " id="49304">and frawg, you can say anything you want as a member - but as an admin, we have a rule - No dirty linen in public. And i agree with one thing - Mp3.com was awesome before it sold out.
leflaw	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 5:02 PM Expose - we spent two months load balancing and separated the data base before we decided to colocate at the same time to advance our schedule.
Jennae	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 5:13 PM I personally don't get the tiff with dimensional music vs. digital. honestly digital music makes more sense to me, but I do know the name was is whatever dimensional, but it never made sense to me why, specilaly when we had digital music underlining the logo. tis very misleading. " id="49310">well, I would like to say, that although frawg I can't comment on how things were... as an artist i see a lot of good changes compilation CD's (offering exposure) dmradio (offering exposure) new servers (offering better service) Advertising the site outside of this realm (offering exposure) We still have news we still have good music'just more of it. yes there have been investors and advertizing banners yadda yadda yadda, but also rememeber that back in the day, this site was much smaller, and much easier to handle, and less costly. Times have changed due to"growth" and not so must dmusic. I personally don't get the tiff with dimensional music vs. digital. honestly digital music makes more sense to me, but I do know the name was is whatever dimensional, but it never made sense to me why, specilaly when we had digital music underlining the logo. tis very misleading.
Frawgster	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 5:16 PM A rule? No dirty linen in public? Well shit then. I'm no longer an admin, so I can say fuck that. I spoke my mind. And I got stripped of a status that I EARNED because of it. I expressed my opinion, and I get stripped of a status that I EARNED because of it. I NEVER asked anything of DM. I gave my time, and my effort to this site, and NEVER expected anything in return. Then the second I make it known that I don't agree with the administration, I get screwed. Am I the only person who sees something wrong with that picture? You expect me to blindly follow you in public, and show dissent only in private. I tried that. I tried going with the flow. But I'm not built that way, Larry. I couldn't keep my mouth shut any longer. I'll give you credit, Larry. You did give me opportunities to contribute. You gave me chances to help this site. Admitedly, I ignored them, or made up excuses. I thank you for considering me, I really do. But I just can't sit here silently and watch this site go in a direction that I, frankly, don't agree with.
leflaw	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 5:26 PM Ok.
leflaw	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 5:58 PM http://www.dmusic.com/bill/" id="49321">complain about this http://www.dmusic.com/bill/
Frawgster	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 6:08 PM What the logo? I'd rather not. Punishment is liable to ensue. /immaturity
Apertome	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 6:32 PM What changes marginalize the community? This site is all about the community, as far as I can tell. So what am I missing? " id="49331">OK, I haven't been here very long, and don't have the background to really understand what Frawgster is talking about. This is what gets me: "The changes being made here marginalize the community." What changes marginalize the community? This site is all about the community, as far as I can tell. So what am I missing?
leflaw	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 6:34 PM http://www.rapstation.com/files/news/archive/Dimension_Music.html" id="49332">He misses this... http://www.rapstation.com/files/news/archive/Dimension_Music.html
TripEclipse	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 6:45 PM Well thats pretty cool but whats done is done.
SinisterX	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 6:56 PM why does anyone want to buy a music site and make it a freebie for the public without investors and the like? I'm new so I won't add my two cents as I'm more or less from the boycott site anyway... " id="49336">ok after reading and not butting in then the question remains "Why did you buy this site if not to make money off it?" why does anyone want to buy a music site and make it a freebie for the public without investors and the like? I'm new so I won't add my two cents as I'm more or less from the boycott site anyway...
Apertome	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 7:19 PM dmusic.com. If DMusic is successful and starts making money, it's a major win for indie artists. Maybe it will give non-DMusic indie artists some hope that they might make it without selling out to the RIAA. We all know what kind of crap the RIAA is pulling to try to keep making profits. This is certainly problematic, but unfortunately there are relatively few alternatives. If DMusic can make music profitable in the Internet economy, it's going to draw a lot of attention to the site, and its artists. Finally, DMusic needs to be at least self-sufficient, if not profitable. I think it's obvious that donations aren't cutting it at this point, and that money needs to come from somewhere. But so far, I have seen no evidence that the focus is anything but the music and the artists who make it. Also, I don't see the point of bitching about font and other design changes. That's just petty. If you were given chances to contribute and did not, then you also EARNED a demotion, firing, or whatever personal quarrel you seem to have with the admins." id="49347">Here's another question I have. Why do so many people seem upset at the idea of DMusic making money? As I'm sure Leflaw can testify, running a site like this COSTS MONEY. Not only that, it requires that the people running it put in a lot of time. I don't know about anyone else, but I want DMusic to succeed -- and not just because I like the Web site dmusic.com. If DMusic is successful and starts making money, it's a major win for indie artists. Maybe it will give non-DMusic indie artists some hope that they might make it without selling out to the RIAA. We all know what kind of crap the RIAA is pulling to try to keep making profits. This is certainly problematic, but unfortunately there are relatively few alternatives. If DMusic can make music profitable in the Internet economy, it's going to draw a lot of attention to the site, and its artists. Finally, DMusic needs to be at least self-sufficient, if not profitable. I think it's obvious that donations aren't cutting it at this point, and that money needs to come from somewhere. But so far, I have seen no evidence that the focus is anything but the music and the artists who make it. Also, I don't see the point of bitching about font and other design changes. That's just petty. If you were given chances to contribute and did not, then you also EARNED a demotion, firing, or whatever personal quarrel you seem to have with the admins.
leflaw	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 7:35 PM Thank you. I needed that. And I invite Frawgster to publicly tell me or us where we should be going so I can try to understand where he is coming from. Angelo and I spent hours talking about vision, and my vision has been consistent - musicians first, that may be a drag for some, but that doesn't mean I am not interested in news, community, software, hardware, listening to music, open source, linux, hating microsoft, etc. (although I don't keep track of my points This place has enough hard drive space a for a few different visions, IMHO. I started out ignorant about hiphop nd rap, and now I'm a fan ( sort of).
ashleighj	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 7:37 PM
Jennae	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 8:10 PM yep I agree
Expose	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 8:22 PM The changes that (big word here) the community were some things being changed without us havin' a choice. That's just the stuff I see happenin'.
Apertome	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 8:28 PM Like what changes?
ChillinBuzz	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 8:28 PM accept your purpose within the DMatrix young Expose 8) and remember choice is an illusion created by those with power for those with none. :lmao: :meep: " id="49363">Oh but there WAS a choice, these changes were made known of their intentions back before Xmas if i recall one of Larry's posts, i know no choice was apparant back then but had we been as motivated in December as we are now (motivated? or open to ideas? or not fully matured??? choosing my words carefully ) these "choices" would've been happening sooner... accept your purpose within the DMatrix young Expose and remember choice is an illusion created by those with power for those with none.
Jennae	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 8:32 PM
victorsskull	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 11:00 PM
sinai	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 11:41 PM all this just because someone somewhere had the fucking site name wrong? lef, i love the sight
milladrive	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 11:47 PM It's a little deeper than that, sin. ...but all's well that ends well.
sinai	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 11:48 PM and everything well ends with a stiff drink... bottoms up!
milladrive	Date: June 12, 2003 @ 11:50 PM
ronnie71	Date: June 13, 2003 @ 12:48 AM this site rulez and you know it...

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