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Jennae	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 7:07 PM http://yaboydrew.dmusic.net/pictures I'm sorry but seeing that at 13 you can have a dmusic account... I find this material unsuitable for the dm public and I do not think this is ok for this site. It's not a matter of censorship... but what about the parents that trust us as a site... and all the users that are not 18 on here. Good thing they are unaware of what their children may see. I am aware and have removed MY son from being able to access dm anymore... This has NO place here IMHO! go get a damn porn account if you want to see this shit.. I do not think it is good for all the various age users to freely view this material that would normally require an age verificaltion. People commented about Exposes web cam well that is diff... she is clothed and it's a clip from a pg 13 movie... I have no problemn there.. But exposing FULL ASS pictures and yes that is a nipple... I'm sorry but I have lost my trust and respect for this place! Bu then again... I doubt anyone is going to back me up seeing us women are lacking in numbers and I assume I will just be looked upon as a feminist... how about a PERSON asking for a little tact in a public place with under age users. I apologize for my web cam to all of you that are not suitable to view this material but according to dm it's ok anyways so :shrugs: what do I know." id="54252">http://yaboydrew.dmusic.net/pictures I'm sorry but seeing that at 13 you can have a dmusic account... I find this material unsuitable for the dm public and I do not think this is ok for this site. It's not a matter of censorship... but what about the parents that trust us as a site... and all the users that are not 18 on here. Good thing they are unaware of what their children may see. I am aware and have removed MY son from being able to access dm anymore... This has NO place here IMHO! go get a damn porn account if you want to see this shit.. I do not think it is good for all the various age users to freely view this material that would normally require an age verificaltion. People commented about Exposes web cam well that is diff... she is clothed and it's a clip from a pg 13 movie... I have no problemn there.. But exposing FULL ASS pictures and yes that is a nipple... I'm sorry but I have lost my trust and respect for this place! Bu then again... I doubt anyone is going to back me up seeing us women are lacking in numbers and I assume I will just be looked upon as a feminist... how about a PERSON asking for a little tact in a public place with under age users. I apologize for my web cam to all of you that are not suitable to view this material but according to dm it's ok anyways so what do I know.
ashleighj	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 7:12 PM it's relevant, so i'll post a note i sent earlier.. ----- there's music that can be rather degrading of women, or offensive to any number of other people, but i'd rather not see that deleted from dmusic. because that's still that artist's expression, you know? people might not like it, but i'd hate to see this turn into a place where unpopular points of view can't be expressed. of course, if that's what the admins wanted to do, they certainly could. the first ammendment and freedom of speech apply to what government can't do, not to individuals and companies. i'd hate to see it happen, but they'd be within their rights. nevermind that nobody is _requiring_ them to lose insane ammounts of money on this thing. but the pictures in question, that doesn't have anything to do with musicians creating art that might be unpopular with a lot of people. i don't think it belongs here. you and i both realize they go past the line, and if it had something to do with music, then maybe i'd be defending them instead. but it doesn't. it's just there 'cause someone feels like using dmusic to host pictures of a half-naked woman. and i really don't see how leaving it up could be contributing to "artistic freedom", for lack of a better term.
victorsskull	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 7:29 PM pic baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad music goooooooooooooood
shadeofblue	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 7:30 PM as far as the pic being up there it probably is a little uncalled for, but if i was a parent i think i'd care more about them listening to the music then seeing a nekkid lady.. little boys will find nakkid lady pictures regardless.. but that's just my worthless two cents" id="54256">i guess it goes with their music, if you listen to "PimPin Iz EZ".. as far as the pic being up there it probably is a little uncalled for, but if i was a parent i think i'd care more about them listening to the music then seeing a nekkid lady.. little boys will find nakkid lady pictures regardless.. but that's just my worthless two cents
Karmatic	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 7:31 PM but...then...can't...teach...nick...pranks
leflaw	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 7:32 PM If we delete this picture, which is not much stronger than Baywatch or reality TV, then where will we stop? What should the policy be?
ashleighj	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 7:33 PM shade, in one sense you're right.. on the other hand, dmusic makes no effort to keep minors away from the material here. if i were a parent and my child were here, i might be keeping my ears open to make sure s/he didn't listen to "pimpin is ez" -- it's a music site -- but i wouldn't have felt the need to watch over his/her shoulder.. before.
victorsskull	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 7:37 PM grrr this sucks already damned fine lines
ashleighj	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 7:40 PM if you leave this picture up, which is not covering a great deal of flesh, how much further will you let it go?
Karmatic	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 7:41 PM I say we just be like Malaysia, cut the clicking finger off the offendors.
Karmatic	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 7:42 PM But here's a hint to when things have gone to hell: When Jennae protests DMusic, the has hit the fan.
victorsskull	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 7:44 PM well then if that can be on the site then maybe I should take a pic of my wanker and put it on my page for every one to veiw whats the difference: its just a weiner
victorsskull	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 7:46 PM oh and if a nipple is ok then I should be able to swear like a mo fo on my radio show
TheReason	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 7:48 PM why dont you..do somthing like when the pictures are put onto a page make them have to be submitted and approved by the admins of dmusic..there for the bad pics are taken out..and regular pics for the bands or artist is keepen on the site...but i dont think there should be age limit on whats on here i think if there parents let them on the internet at such a young age there responsible for what may come on the internet.
fireball87	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 7:50 PM eh... i don't think parrents will ever stop kids from going on the internet when their over like 9... thell just go to the library... or to a friends house... if we let 13 year olds on here with no warning... then its our responciblity to keep this crap off...
ashleighj	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 7:51 PM submission and approval would add a huge ammount of work that's way out of proportion to the number of problems.
fireball87	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 7:52 PM what we probably need to do is have the new users agree not to post this kind of crap... and if they do... just bann them... i mean... if someone stumbles on this crap... just tell an admin and then have the admins delete their account...
TheReason	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 7:52 PM Also might i said music with lyrical content is sold to minors every single day umm im 17 and ive been buying parental advisory cds since i was like 13 or 14 so dmusic is not doing anything by puting parental advisory songs on here..if a kid such as the age of 13 wanted to go buy a cd with parental advisory i put money on it they could buy it so...i dont think dmusic is promoting anything bad...i think its the parents problem to deal with like watching there kids on the internet and such...but im 17 what the hell do i know hahahaha
EddieWinslow...	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 7:53 PM i like the pics...maybe im just a asshole...but i got a picture to talk ablut on my site check and let me know what are yall thoughts on it...
ashleighj	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 7:57 PM TheReason: the point is that if parents let their children use dmusic, it's reasonable to expect there's some music here they'll find inappropriate. if they're worried about it, then it's reasonable to expect the parents to be responsible for keeping their kids away. it's _not_ reasonable to expect nudity here.
TheReason	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 8:00 PM yeah....thats why i brought up the submitted thing but...i realised that would be alot of work..so if you see these pics they should be reported or delted whatever works i dont know....whatever works for DMUSIC.
TheReason	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 8:01 PM a little report button would work nicely just hit it put in there name and the complaint boom...everyones happy???
ashleighj	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 8:12 PM really, we don't need new features or anything. it was seen, it was brought to an admin's attention. this thread is here because the admin has chosen not to do anything about it.
Karmatic	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 8:17 PM I think we should just throw in a report button and a sentence or two thrown into the ToC [cant hurt to make it a little longer].
smelv1n	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 8:55 PM meh your son will find pictures worse than that if he wants to, so meh.
jmweirick	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 8:57 PM i agree with fireball again on this issue, add a section to the on the sign up that says you can't post any images of offensive nature, of course majority will rule, if only one person finds it offensive and the rest don't, leave it.
blooddshedd	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 9:03 PM to be heard is why most people make music... to shut them up would be killing music itself
Acumen	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 9:03 PM well, if you are willing to delete these pictures because they're unsuitable for a 13 year old... why wouldn't you delete a good percentage of the rap that's on this site... including all of dislocated boner's tracks... notably I've Got A 20 Foot Cock. Censorship is bad, and all of us should know this by now... and I shouldn't need to explain why it is... though i am often prompted to. and in most cases, i'd make the freedom of expression arguement... but most likely he didn't take these pictures... it's possible, but unlikely. if you are upset by these pictures... you have no idea what pictures you may end up finding on this site in the future... i seen some pretty nasty shit since i stated to use the internet.
Karmatic	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 9:09 PM The worst censorship is TV censorship. If you don't like the show, change the channel. But seriously, what teenage guy doesn't look at porn nowadays?
Apertome	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 9:16 PM Aside from potentially offensive to some, these photos being on DMusic is almost certainly a copyright violation. IMO they should be removed on those grounds.
jmweirick	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 9:19 PM eonblue does make a point that censorship is bad, but if the majority decides to remove it and we have nothing forcing us to do this, then most of the usuall reasons that it is bad become null and void. nobody is forcing a majority vote there for it is not censorship, it is democracy. i know also that calling a vote every time someone thinks we should remove a picture, so the system would be more like if someone wanted to remove a picture the person posting the picture would be informed that some people don't like it please get rid of it. if the member wouldn't and enough people complainded it would be removed, nothing more done unless someone complains that the picture sould have been left. also keep in mind that this discussion does not apply to music or written speach, only pictures.
jmweirick	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 9:23 PM there were a few typos in that last one, but you get the idea. also what mux said is right, if you don't want censorship at least obey the law.
Karmatic	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 9:23 PM i think mux had a good point. just stop em for copyrights.
ashleighj	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 9:23 PM eonblue: please scroll up and read the post i directed towards TheReason. thanks.
victorsskull	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 9:29 PM ok this sucks cause there is no good answer to this prob
Acumen	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 9:37 PM well, then again, if we delete these pictures because of a copyright infringement... who knows how many pics we would have to delete after that from other users? don't get me wrong, it's a perfectly valid reason... but why should we start doing it just because someone took offense of it? people get offended by everything, and if we started taking everything away because it's offensive to some... well things will be a hell of alot less interesting.
ashleighj	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 9:40 PM ahem i see i need to repeat myself.. the point is that if parents let their children use dmusic, it's reasonable to expect there's some music here they'll find inappropriate. if they're worried about it, then it's reasonable to expect the parents to be responsible for keeping their kids away. it's _not_ reasonable to expect nudity here.
Veracohr	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 9:41 PM How about: Those who have a problem with the pictures, ask the user nicely to remove them.
Acumen	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 9:43 PM dmusic is not a babysitter, and it should never be that.
ChillinBuzz	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 9:46 PM i posted my feelings to this in my journal. listen boys, if you feel the need to have a play with yourself, theres a million porn sites out there and theres tissues for your troubles music's for all ages, porn isnt. sort it out.
Apertome	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 9:46 PM eon ... rules about copyright can be selectively enforced. In this case, I'd like to see these pics go. I do think they are inappropriate. But I'd rather have them deleted for being illegal, not because they offend me. Like you said, we can't delete everything that offends someone. But I agree with Ashleighj that nudity is just inappropriate here. If the pics had some artistic value, I might feel differently. I.e. a sketch of a nude, uploaded by the person who drew it, wouldn't bother me ... can't speak for everyone else. That being said, I don't think that music should be censored on this site. Period. Of course that doesn't make copyright violations ok for music, either.
jmweirick	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 9:46 PM somebody didn't read the tos, copyrighted material is not alowed on this site unless u own the copyright. that hasn't changed and never should. so deleting the pictures on these grounds is not anything new to the site." id="54312">"if we delete these pictures because of a copyright infringement... who knows how many pics we would have to delete after that from other users?" somebody didn't read the tos, copyrighted material is not alowed on this site unless u own the copyright. that hasn't changed and never should. so deleting the pictures on these grounds is not anything new to the site.
Apertome	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 9:47 PM Veracohr has a good point, too, has anyone even bothered to contact the user who posted the pics?
thumbtack	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 9:49 PM I've sent him a note asking him politely to remove them. Now if we could just clean up the language in the shoutboxes and forums posts...but I'm dreaming I know...
ashleighj	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 9:51 PM allow me elaborate, since nobody is catching on.. it's not reasonable to expect nudity here. it's not reasonable to expect big bird on sesame street to shout out profanity and kill snuffleupagus. (i'm sure i spelled that wrong.) parents of young children will let their kids watch sesame street because of reasonable expectations. some parents will allow their children to visit dmusic because they either aren't concerned with the music their children will listen to, or they may simply keep their ears open since it's a music site instead of sitting next to the child for every second. who gets the point? raise your hand.
jmweirick	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 9:54 PM i get you ashleigh.
EddieWinslow...	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 10:03 PM yall too emotional...thats that man site and those are his pictures...thats why he can go to MY PICTURES and change them...so if he doesn't want to leave it alone...yall drawing more attention to it by making some big ordeal of it...i personally did not know of the site and the pictures until reading this page...but maybe then again i might be a asshole... eddie winslow aka ill be that
ashleighj	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 10:11 PM
milladrive	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 10:14 PM Does anyone wanna know my thoughts here?
victorsskull	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 10:14 PM eddie dont have kids do he
ashleighj	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 10:15 PM please, milla, go ahead
EddieWinslow...	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 10:19 PM don't mean to offend you shorty...but this site is a bunch of babies...where im from nig-- well people in general got alot more things to worry about then what this man doing...people got to worry about if they going to die today...i see people strung out on drugs and homeless people...cats got to worry about how they gonna eat today...and these people worried bout some horny boys seein some ass...thats natural... eddie winslow aka nature boy
TheReason	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 10:41 PM I think we just blew this hole thing up now if some kid comes to this messageboard and clicks on the link boom there it is before the kids eyes...were advertising...either take them off or leave them...geting way to out of hand...
thumbtack	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 10:47 PM http://images.dmusic.com/users/t/h/u/thumbtack/10410.jpg" id="54327">Is this appropriate? http://images.dmusic.com/users/t/h/u/thumbtack/10410.jpg
Jennae	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 10:48 PM :nod: newsensations.com and they have a disclainer on their material there... for needing to be over 18 or may be offensive... but what it's otherwise ok uploaded on dm with no warning:shrugs: Listen...I am very liberal... but here In the States.. This material is not legal viewing for people under 18. I agree with a few points: copyrighted material is not allowed on this site unless u own the copyright. :nod: nudity is just inappropriate here :nod: music's for all ages, porn isnt :nod: add a section to the on the sign up that says you can't post any images of offensive nature, :nod: have the new users agree not to post this kind of crap... and if they do... just ban them. :nod: if we let 13 year olds on here with no warning... then its our responsiblity to keep this crap off... :nod: (not to mention the parents of the underage participants should also be notified of the possibility of their children viewing such materials as well... meaning if you want this SHIT on here and you want to protect this SHIT on dm :mad: then you better have the parents create their account so that they understand that these materials are OK by dm's ahem so called standards... :rollseyes: and that their children may run across some less than appropriate matter.) "If we delete this picture, which is not much stronger than Baywatch or reality TV, then where will we stop? What should the policy be?" then you agree it _IS_ stronger than suitable TV viewing.... even if only not much. But their should be a policy! "how much further will you let it go?" I'd like to know.:blankstare: I encourage many younger people to come here all the time... but I won't now. "well then if that can be on the site then maybe I should take a pic of my wanker and put it on my page for every one to veiw" yep why the hell not huh Vic??? If we don't set any limits then who knows what the hell else will be accepted next:shrugs: MY POINT EXACTLY!!!!!!! Excuse me for wanting this site to have a bit more of a professionalism than to allow pornagraphic pictures to minors. It just really really disappoints me. BIG TIME! I'm not about censorship..... I'm not a feminist... But I will not just sit back and say nothing. Just because kids can find this material on the net... Just becuase they can find access to it.. does not mean we as a community should have to encourage or allow it. let's take a vote let's have the community decide... I vote remove the tasteless & unsuitable pics ! IMHO " id="54328">I have shouted on his page about my disagreement on the pics... but you DON'T want me to talk to him... I'm far to to have anything decent to say. It _is_ a copyright infringement! " if you don't want censorship at least obey the law." newsensations.com and they have a disclainer on their material there... for needing to be over 18 or may be offensive... but what it's otherwise ok uploaded on dm with no warning Listen...I am very liberal... but here In the States.. This material is not legal viewing for people under 18. I agree with a few points: copyrighted material is not allowed on this site unless u own the copyright. nudity is just inappropriate here music's for all ages, porn isnt add a section to the on the sign up that says you can't post any images of offensive nature, have the new users agree not to post this kind of crap... and if they do... just ban them. if we let 13 year olds on here with no warning... then its our responsiblity to keep this crap off... (not to mention the parents of the underage participants should also be notified of the possibility of their children viewing such materials as well... meaning if you want this SHIT on here and you want to protect this SHIT on dm then you better have the parents create their account so that they understand that these materials are OK by dm's ahem so called standards... and that their children may run across some less than appropriate matter.) "If we delete this picture, which is not much stronger than Baywatch or reality TV, then where will we stop? What should the policy be?" then you agree it _IS_ stronger than suitable TV viewing.... even if only not much. But their should be a policy! "how much further will you let it go?" I'd like to know. I encourage many younger people to come here all the time... but I won't now. "well then if that can be on the site then maybe I should take a pic of my wanker and put it on my page for every one to veiw" yep why the hell not huh Vic??? If we don't set any limits then who knows what the hell else will be accepted next MY POINT EXACTLY!!!!!!! Excuse me for wanting this site to have a bit more of a professionalism than to allow pornagraphic pictures to minors. It just really really disappoints me. BIG TIME! I'm not about censorship..... I'm not a feminist... But I will not just sit back and say nothing. Just because kids can find this material on the net... Just becuase they can find access to it.. does not mean we as a community should have to encourage or allow it. let's take a vote let's have the community decide... I vote remove the tasteless & unsuitable pics ! IMHO
TheReason	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 10:49 PM yes very un appropriate that pic needs to go....
thumbtack	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 10:51 PM I thought so, it is a topless pic after all..
TheReason	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 10:55 PM yup needs to go...i think everyone will agree...
ChillinBuzz	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 10:56 PM I guess there's a point to this that goes much further than the pictures too... the limit is a fiercely argued fine line... references to ganja, alcohol and other things that normally are not well taken in public as regards the younger element of this site would need to be discussed. At least in this way, rather than portraying a less than acceptable image to anyone who visits, and every member and visitor are here for reasons mainly for the site's content. Music. and as i said before, its a music site. where to draw the line
victorsskull	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 11:00 PM the pic should go. no nipples aloud
Jennae	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 11:02 PM that link... listen you should know me out of many people here how I am and what I am about. We has spoken many times. I have never ever ever done anything but to assist and help this site... and I don't think I am asking to take anything away from it. your link that man actually... no It's not graphic... gross maybe but it's not something you need to be 18 to see. I'm not seeing anything I don't see on the beach NO NUDITY but the ahem hardness is a bit uncalled for... why are you poking fun me on this... It's not a female thing, I am not a ranting feminist pissed about being disrespected becuase of these pic. IT NOT SUITABLE ON DM!!! Why is this sooooo hard to see?? I don't think I am out of line here asking for a bit more respect for our fellow underage members from a parents point of view. bill you know you are very dear to me and I think the world of you.. but I am a bit disappointed to see you post that link and to have think it makes a fair counter statement My point is still being missed.
thumbtack	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 11:03 PM Exactly, Chillin,...The only way to eliminate all of the material that someone might find offenive would be to eliminate the sites interactive features. We do a tightrope walk here everyday, and its usually on a case by case basis.
thumbtack	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 11:07 PM I've asked the person who posted them to remove them. They haven't been online since I sent the note.
GeneHilbert	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 11:10 PM This a private site - and is not subject to 1st amendment protection. Myself.... not being easily offended, and not finding those pics particularly offensive - do however think that by allowing those pics to stay - you sets a precedent, opening the door for more graphic images. Trust me....... that will happen. The whole matter can be controlled simply by stating in the user agreement - that ANY images, graphics, poems, or musical works - INTERPRETED by the ADMINISTRATORS to be found obscene or offensive will be removed. And repeated offenses will result in suspension of site privileges.
jackschitt	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 11:20 PM Bailiff... next case please.
EddieWinslow...	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 11:24 PM please... aka i've had enough
EddieWinslow...	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 11:24 PM please... aka i've had enough
blooddshedd	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 11:32 PM if you are offended just hit the back button and pretend like you never saw it
GeneHilbert	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 11:39 PM http://images.dmusic.com/users/t/h/u/thumbtack/104 10.jpg And your packin' a concealed weapon - must be date night." id="54357">Oh.... and Bill..... you're kinda cute there... http://images.dmusic.com/users/t/h/u/thumbtack/104 10.jpg And your packin' a concealed weapon - must be date night.
EddieWinslow...	Date: July 16, 2003 @ 11:58 PM sassy ass...
Jennae	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 12:07 AM blood~ it's not about ME being offended... I'm trying to uphold a standard here.. just a gene says it will get worse... There is NO REASON for that on dm where 13 and up are allowed.. what fine line...... the pic needs to go. i'm very disappointed and saddened in my lack of support on this issue. I supported dm. well anyone that use to read my journals or use to view my pics you can go to their page and look at nudies enjoy I won't be uploading pics or posting any journals. Hope the Nudes are worth it all for ya.
thumbtack	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 12:22 AM Screw it Jen, I deleted the pics and that was my last offical act on dmusic. I'm done.
Expose	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 12:26 AM What? How about saying FUCK, BITCH, and the stuff we do everyday here? Is that suitable for children? Hell no. Should it be taken out? Hell no! At 13+, they probably already have a stack of playboys under their bed, or just have a friend who does, or have watched minimum 50 online pr0n videos. 13 is the exact age people see that in the first place.. you ever see a few PG-13 movies? Censor someone getting fucked... but this is nothing. It's not even the whole ass, it's a small tease. I'll have more to say when I install the damn video driver and can actually read the rest of this thread
victorsskull	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 12:32 AM wow I was hopeing this wouldnt get bad this is sad dam fine lines dam opinions dam pics dam dam dam
EddieWinslow...	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 12:33 AM im with you expo...
TameasDust	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 12:36 AM like in the forum. there are rules here. put rules on the user pages. some people will do anything to shock and dismay others. also letting copyrighted material be put on DMusic could lead to nasty things. " id="54376">seems the more people who join the more rules will have to be added. the common sense rule of "people wont do that" seems to not apply any more. rules are needed so the admins will have some control over what is put in the webpages of users. like in the forum. there are rules here. put rules on the user pages. some people will do anything to shock and dismay others. also letting copyrighted material be put on DMusic could lead to nasty things.
Jennae	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 12:39 AM Bill's done welp..... Bill you make this place you do a lot for dmusic and you work your ass off more than anyone realizes and they sooooooooooooooooooooooooo cannot afford to lose you. you guys just lost the best thing going for this place. talk about losing your backbone to this place.
yeshu2k	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 12:40 AM Well, I don't know. I think the fact that she open's and close the jacket is what makes it seem ......... bad, I guess, but I've seen worse on Hanes underwear for women commercials. As a Christian I have to deal with the reality of soft porn on tv all the time. I won't watch those reality tv shows about singles hooking up and you get kicked if you don't screw someone. This is tame compared to that. She is a pretty girl, there's nothing more than cleavage and belly button showing. Like I say, the only thing that makes it seem bad is the jacket issue. I guess I should be sensored for having my girlfriend from australia up on the site for a while. If she was in a bikini, I'd have really been in trouble eh.
GeneHilbert	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 12:42 AM Cooler heads need to prevail here. Getting pissed at each other is not accomplishing anything - and it is really making things worse. The pics are gone - and I'm sure the administrators will address this issue. This was enviable & predisposed to happen. I was really surprised it took this long. These are opinions voiced by passionate people. That's all - they are not personal attacks. So - all just chill out.
TameasDust	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 12:42 AM discussing censorship is never a good thing. censorship comes about from reaction to violation of what people think everyone understands as being good for the site. actually censorship should not be the question it should be do we need more rules to cover situations before they become noticed and become this thread.
victorsskull	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 12:52 AM why the hell are you done thumbtack and why the hell are you deleteing all your pics and music jen? we are in the complaint forum duh! instead of quiting why dont we keep on discussing the matter and work it out.
Jennae	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 12:58 AM i have nothing left to say I made my point and the only reason those pics are gone is becuase BILL said fuck it. Not because they saw my point. it will not be deleted in the future i'm sur still. I have my reasons vic...
Jennae	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 1:01 AM and Gene... Bill and I are not at odds' nor anyone here do I think they are at eachothers throats it is a passionate subject but I personally have no hate for anyone.. just strong disappointment in the lack of standards Bill..... is a great man I never have questioned that. He is just caught in the middle... well was.
ronnie71	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 1:04 AM Well if everybody loves everyone and everyone is great why are any of you leaving this so not cool...
milladrive	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 1:32 AM No one here even knows how long those pics were up before anyone stumbled across them. But now, they've been deleted because of this "mob rules" mentality that prevails here. Feh. As for copyright violations, I'd like someone at DMusic to find me 25 members with pics who DON'T violate this policy. Very few of our members post original images. MOST are images that have been found all over the net, and no one says "boo" until the evil female NIPPLES are shown. Gimme a friggin' break! Granted, it's up to parents to "protect" their children from these things, but I totally believe it's the parents who make these things taboo in the first place with their uptight attitudes, therefore making the kids more interested in them. We cannot, and will not, monitor every single pic that goes up on this site. We are a staff of less than a handful (and getting smaller as we speak). How can this even be intimated? It's not feasible. Censorship. THAT'S how low DM will go. And now we've gone that low. I apologize for bein' all over the place with this post. I had intended a more cohesive diatribe, but now I'm pissed. Fucking pissed. This will not happen again. If there are pics at DMusic that a member doesn't like, they are welcome to contact admin about it, whether privately or publicly, and admin will decide what action to take, if any. Hey, we all have our principles, and I'll be damned if we're gonna say "fuck it" again just to appease a few uptight vocally active members. At least, not if I have anything to say about it. What Larry stated earlier is exactly what I agree with. Where does it end now? This deletion has set a dumbass precedent that needn't've been set, and it'll be over my dead account if it happens again without due cause." id="54387">Okay, I've been tossing around the idea of speaking up, but I definitely feel it's necessary now. First, Bill, I hope ya don't leave. You are very much needed around here, and, as noted elsewhere, without you this place will fall to shit quickly. ....Anyone else who needs to leave, even after the pics have been deleted, should do so. Next, I think what has happened here as the result of one or two whiney uptight people has been totally thrown outta proportion. It got so bad that Bill, our most beloved admin, has gotten so fed up to the point of quitting. The pics did not need to be deleted. In fact, I'm considering finding some more of those types of pics and posting them in my own pic section! How dare _anyone_ use their presence here as leverage! Someone said it earlier.. don't like it? Change the channel. As simple as turning the page. More important was the issue at hand, which has now been totally obliterated by the personal politics. I'm still gonna give my thoughts, tho. The pics that were up were not, I repeat, NOT porn! By US law, they are considered art. The woman was doing _nothing_ lewd. The mere image of a naked body is not pornographic. Female NIPPLES are not porn. An uncovered ass is not porn. No one's genitalia was showing and no sexual acts were being performed. Whether or not nudity is "expected" at DMusic is neither here nor there. The pics, appropriate or not, were there, and would not have made anyone's head explode or their eyes pop out of their head. Any child who stumbles across pics of that nature will not be corrupted to a life of crime nor indecency. When did the naked body become such an issue? Hell, in Europe, as many here will tell you, they use more flesh than that in TV ads. People tend to be a bit more mature about the human form in Europe, and they don't have a hissy fit when they see NIPPLES. No one here even knows how long those pics were up before anyone stumbled across them. But now, they've been deleted because of this "mob rules" mentality that prevails here. Feh. As for copyright violations, I'd like someone at DMusic to find me 25 members with pics who DON'T violate this policy. Very few of our members post original images. MOST are images that have been found all over the net, and no one says "boo" until the evil female NIPPLES are shown. Gimme a friggin' break! Granted, it's up to parents to "protect" their children from these things, but I totally believe it's the parents who make these things taboo in the first place with their uptight attitudes, therefore making the kids more interested in them. We cannot, and will not, monitor every single pic that goes up on this site. We are a staff of less than a handful (and getting smaller as we speak). How can this even be intimated? It's not feasible. Censorship. THAT'S how low DM will go. And now we've gone that low. I apologize for bein' all over the place with this post. I had intended a more cohesive diatribe, but now I'm pissed. Fucking pissed. This will not happen again. If there are pics at DMusic that a member doesn't like, they are welcome to contact admin about it, whether privately or publicly, and admin will decide what action to take, if any. Hey, we all have our principles, and I'll be damned if we're gonna say "fuck it" again just to appease a few uptight vocally active members. At least, not if I have anything to say about it. What Larry stated earlier is exactly what I agree with. Where does it end now? This deletion has set a dumbass precedent that needn't've been set, and it'll be over my dead account if it happens again without due cause.
greatscottpr...	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 1:42 AM Jennae, I think you're doing one of the finest jobs as a mother and teacher I've ever seen! Music is a great thing for children to learn and you have done such an incredible job with Nick aka Mr. Wonderful performing NO WAR! COOL! I can't wait for my son Justice to hear this song! You really are an inspiration! A lo riders kids section might be kinda cool too! Great idea Jennae!
Fproano	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 3:09 AM I LOVE JEANNE SHE IS AWSOME
leflaw	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 3:14 AM Here is my take. I thought these pictures were border line. Could take them down or leave them up. I have two daughters by the way, although they are college age and beyond. Anyone that knows me knows the following. 1. I don't like censorship. 2. I like free speech. 3. I will always take the underdogs' side. Why do you think that I put so much into this site? Because we are all underdogs here. When we start to lord over everybody else, I'm outta here.
ChillinBuzz	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 3:45 AM i can refer to the topless pictures of me or milla appearing when jen was doing "art" - how DARE YOU even put those pics and those other pics in the same league. i can see which one is art, you want to disagree, go spank your sodding monkey on a site that caters for it. its nothing to do with lording, theres much more than just a debate over an image, offensive to some, copyrighted even, inoffensive to others, but why defend it as free speech when at the end of the day, you're basically saying just because its law means its ok. total and utter BS. and you know it. lording isnt the word, neither is censorship. HOW ABOUT MAINTAINING A CERTAIN LEVEL OF DECENCY? if that means no more smoking referrences from me and other suggestive comments, what the F* does it have to do with music anyway????? " id="54393">Then consider the copyright aspect. if a member finds copyrighted music, are you going to borderline that too Larry? So shall we make parents responsible for every action a child takes. I bet ppl of much younger ages than those we are discussing here view the site. It's acceptable to most because its only "suggestive" rather than full on naked and frontal. bleh. i can refer to the topless pictures of me or milla appearing when jen was doing "art" - how DARE YOU even put those pics and those other pics in the same league. i can see which one is art, you want to disagree, go spank your sodding monkey on a site that caters for it. its nothing to do with lording, theres much more than just a debate over an image, offensive to some, copyrighted even, inoffensive to others, but why defend it as free speech when at the end of the day, you're basically saying just because its law means its ok. total and utter BS. and you know it. lording isnt the word, neither is censorship. HOW ABOUT MAINTAINING A CERTAIN LEVEL OF DECENCY? if that means no more smoking referrences from me and other suggestive comments, what the F* does it have to do with music anyway?????
ChillinBuzz	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 3:52 AM
Electroharmonix	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 3:59 AM I'm not leaving just because of a picture issue. There's kids who get caught looking at porn if they're not careful almost all the time. however, in a case like this, it's not. Plus, I'm pretty much beat to think about how to help solve the situation. There's a lot of choices, I know, but I'd rather go with ChillinBuzz's quote in his journal: "music's for all ages. porn is not." I couldn't agree with him more.
leflaw	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 4:07 AM Then Expose 's webcam is done, and Dislocated boner's got one hour to change his name. Welcome to censorship world. I am going to censor this place for one week. By the time I get done, you will be begging for freedom. You talk the talk, lets see you walk the walk.
sinai	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 4:17 AM well sheesh Jen, you got a son...mebbe nowz a good time to have that burds and bees talk with him... for chrissakes, most kids have seen those since they were 7-8. i'm with lef...
leflaw	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 4:34 AM Just received the following... If censorship is the new way of DM, I leave. My webcam is showing less than they do in the damn Pepsi commercials. Those of you that know me good enough know how to get to me outside DM.. and if ya wanna yet you don't know how... just ask someone who does.
sinai	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 4:44 AM way to fucking go!!! or am i allowed to say fuck?!?
leflaw	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 4:52 AM YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY F*ck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Electroharmonix	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 4:54 AM that gives me a good reminder to keep the tone of my language down to PG-13.
sinai	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 4:55 AM well that f***ing sucks! ... wait, can i say sucks?
leflaw	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 4:56 AM You can say sucks.
sinai	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 4:57 AM are you sure?...lotta sexual innuendo in that one, dunt wanna poison the nation's sandboxes or anything...
Electroharmonix	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 5:01 AM I wouldn't say that, sinai.
leflaw	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 5:03 AM Sinai ... are you related to Alan Sinai, the economist, or Mount Sinai, the place where Moses receive the 10 commandments, according to Judeo Christian legend?
sinai	Date: July 17, 2003 @ 5:06 AM took it from the mountain lef...no real reason, just thought it sounded cool...

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