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Karmatic	Date: July 19, 2003 @ 3:07 PM mine goes further though
GeneHilbert	Date: July 19, 2003 @ 3:23 PM Strange but true..... I think.
leflaw	Date: July 19, 2003 @ 3:29 PM Thats where I got it from.
SinisterX	Date: July 19, 2003 @ 4:14 PM The point I was trying to make was, if no attention was drawn to it in the first place, the pics would have gone unnoticed in the second place, right?
Pagan	Date: July 19, 2003 @ 6:37 PM Thank god there are people on this earth that can protect us from the evil nipples and butts of the world, from what ive seen in this forum, the female butt makes us veer off the subject of independent music. I think it is time we elect a special coalition to search out and destroy thease 'weapons of ass distraction' immediately before more casualties occur.
sinai	Date: July 19, 2003 @ 6:44 PM i'd volunteer to help pagan, but im busy looking at porn
Maffmatix	Date: July 19, 2003 @ 6:51 PM We're all born naked. And swear words, along with any other words, are just certain types of sounds we can make with our mouths. We just make everything into a big deal. Especially Americans.
Pagan	Date: July 19, 2003 @ 7:25 PM Is it me or is the title of this thread very misleading? when i read the title i was expecting to find someone posting about the injustice of censorship being perpetrated by dmusic staff. within one post, i read about someone demanding censorship about something that personally offended them. there are many things that personaly offend me. songs about violence, drug use, but even more dangerous, songs about unrealistic expectations of love that our children might never experience and will make them feel alienated and alone even more. what about religion in general? with promises that it can't possibly deliver? i think that these things are more likely to effect a childs mind and ruin their lives than a million naked bodies. so if we are gonna censor, lets start by censoring love songs first. how many of your songs would make the cut? let's gather a list together and find the things that offend all members personally, then start trimming dmusic to fit inside it. What do you think would be left? There is only one thing that truly offends me, and thats censorship itself . because that shows me that you don't believe i can make decisions for myself (or my children for that matter). it is YOUR responsibilty to protect your children from what you percieve as smut, not dmusics, not the media, certainly not the government, shit, the government can't even pave fuckin roads. stop counting on others for so much. they WILL let you down. its a mathmatical certainty, not a pessimistic attitude. YOU are solely responsible. besides in my opinion music and nudity are two great tastes that taste great together. now i dont have to keep two windows open in my browser constantly. how 'bout we all post our favorite pics and change the site name to DCUPMUSIC!(just a thought)
victorsskull	Date: July 19, 2003 @ 7:34 PM enough said
leflaw	Date: July 19, 2003 @ 7:36 PM When my daughters were pre-teen ( they are in their 20's now), and the world wide web was just starting out, I got an internet connection and within one day I found Sodom and Gomorrah on the net. Hard to miss. What do I do? Net nanny? Some weird filter? I elected to just put the computer in a common area. They used their discretion. They are smart kids. I found more porn in the history file of my employees' browsers than in my kids' machine. I screamed about porn on TV 15 years ago when MTV started playin bitches and ho's video, when sitcoms reeked of it. Did you ever watch the Sex in the City episode on HBO about cocksucking? There was one on that, I think....
sinai	Date: July 19, 2003 @ 7:47 PM yup lef...right after the "pregnancy gives you gas" episode
smelv1n	Date: July 19, 2003 @ 8:06 PM well said pagan!
Karmatic	Date: July 19, 2003 @ 10:29 PM Whats wrong with Sodom or Gomorrah?
GeneHilbert	Date: July 20, 2003 @ 1:46 AM OK........ an Announcement - a drum roll please!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's official..... ..... I now have porn on my page
TranceAction	Date: July 20, 2003 @ 5:08 AM Agree, but this isn't a political discussion of the right wing, now is it ? I said that DK is one of the most liberal countries in Europe when it comes to porn. I didn't say it was one of the most liberal countries in all aspects, did I ? So let's take the discussion back to what the discussion is about, what do you expect to find a music site, shall we ?" id="54913">neofatzke, " is since 2 years or so one of the most right-wing governated countries in europe [snip]".. Agree, but this isn't a political discussion of the right wing, now is it ? I said that DK is one of the most liberal countries in Europe when it comes to porn. I didn't say it was one of the most liberal countries in all aspects, did I ? So let's take the discussion back to what the discussion is about, what do you expect to find a music site, shall we ?
neofatzke	Date: July 20, 2003 @ 10:47 AM http://leflaw.dmusic.net? is this disclaimer not dealing with the nature of posted stuff? i guess it does, but i don't dig this legal english, so i haven't understood everything :banghead: :beaten: ... and isn't that loooooong disclaimer not enough to be able to handle such cases? lemme knaw... :farmer:" id="54923">sure tranceaction, we can leflaw, is there space for some policies about basic conditions when it comes to nudity or violence? such as for example cover art can contain some of (artistic expression blabla...), but the upload of personal pictures should be limited to art and press related material (selfmade by the artist etc. not from magazines, scans etc.)? or must there be a paragraphe preventing members of picturing their cock and putting it here? i personally wouldn't but i expect some people to do it if they are not prevented of... and what about http://leflaw.dmusic.net? is this disclaimer not dealing with the nature of posted stuff? i guess it does, but i don't dig this legal english, so i haven't understood everything ... and isn't that loooooong disclaimer not enough to be able to handle such cases? lemme knaw...
hudsondealers1	Date: July 21, 2003 @ 11:55 AM I find that the hiphop on here is degrading so, I don't listen to it. There's plenty to do here if something offends you then just ignore it. Its not your site, you are not the owner. It's up to them to decide how far they want to take censorship.." CENSORSHIP??? I think it suxs!! Overexposure to graphically violent or lewd movies, video games, and even music lyrics is commonplace today. This has become a major issue in today's society. The major concern of parents and legislature is the effect the violence in the media has on children. Does life imitate art or art imitate life? Ultimately, the parents are responsible for their children's upbringing. PARENTS!!!not the government should decide what is proper and improper for their children. Passing this responsibility on to the government imposes more controls on everyone's lives. Censorship leads to ignorance. Censorship is the method of which totalitarian governments come into power. It threatens the very essence of the American spirit, which can be summed up in three words: Freedom of Speech. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear is something I sometimes hear. The net, being international, makes most of us have something to hide, in some country. At the very least many subjects that are innocent in one country will be controversial in others. Any of the following subject would be absolutely tabu to discuss: * faith (anglican, catholic, protestant, muslim, jewish, sikh, hindu, etc, etc) * women (rights, anatomy, sex, etc, etc.) * drugs (tobacco, liquor, marihuana et al.) * sex (Ranging from prevention to hard core pictures) * children (care, raising, problems, porn, etc.) * animals * laws * individuals (Rushdie, Homolka) There's bound to be material in any of the above subjects that will be offensive to people somewhere, while others will hold the opposite view somewhere else. The logical solution As I see it we have two alternatives. Either we split the net into separate national nets, and lose all the power world communication people-to-people can give, or we accept that we shall not put restrictive legislation on the net. I am certainly for the latter solution. just my :twocents:" id="55030">Bettie Page I her!! Is this dmusic? or dnudity? anyway... you can find porn anywhere on the net...just not expected to be at a music site... and as for kids...why dont we watch what they do while online?? who's going to stop them from going to a porn site?or stop the never ending porn pop-ups??(hell some of those are XXXX) Not a admin from a music site. I must say that I agree with Jen that pics meant for adult viewing, shouldn't be on a music site... But on the other hand .. I also agree with SinsterX " Hypocrits, either it's ok to cuss and have freedom of speech or, it is not. Same should apply with adult material. How far will you allow the envelope to be pushed? DM needs to set these rules straight. cause it does get confusing. Minors shouldn't be logging in here on their own in my humble opinion. I find that the hiphop on here is degrading so, I don't listen to it. There's plenty to do here if something offends you then just ignore it. Its not your site, you are not the owner. It's up to them to decide how far they want to take censorship.." CENSORSHIP??? I think it suxs!! Overexposure to graphically violent or lewd movies, video games, and even music lyrics is commonplace today. This has become a major issue in today's society. The major concern of parents and legislature is the effect the violence in the media has on children. Does life imitate art or art imitate life? Ultimately, the parents are responsible for their children's upbringing. PARENTS!!!not the government should decide what is proper and improper for their children. Passing this responsibility on to the government imposes more controls on everyone's lives. Censorship leads to ignorance. Censorship is the method of which totalitarian governments come into power. It threatens the very essence of the American spirit, which can be summed up in three words: Freedom of Speech. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear is something I sometimes hear. The net, being international, makes most of us have something to hide, in some country. At the very least many subjects that are innocent in one country will be controversial in others. Any of the following subject would be absolutely tabu to discuss: * faith (anglican, catholic, protestant, muslim, jewish, sikh, hindu, etc, etc) * women (rights, anatomy, sex, etc, etc.) * drugs (tobacco, liquor, marihuana et al.) * sex (Ranging from prevention to hard core pictures) * children (care, raising, problems, porn, etc.) * animals * laws * individuals (Rushdie, Homolka) There's bound to be material in any of the above subjects that will be offensive to people somewhere, while others will hold the opposite view somewhere else. The logical solution As I see it we have two alternatives. Either we split the net into separate national nets, and lose all the power world communication people-to-people can give, or we accept that we shall not put restrictive legislation on the net. I am certainly for the latter solution. just my :twocents:
Karmatic	Date: July 21, 2003 @ 4:05 PM I fully agree, responsibility shouldn't be passed onto the government. Censorship is the parent's decision. Basically what these people are saying is to nullify the rights of speech. Your wanting to censor conflicts with my wanting to enjoy, what then?
Elu	Date: July 21, 2003 @ 5:47 PM This entire thread is completely out of control. There is no meaning or justice here. My feeling is that Jennae went over the edge with this. There are worse images on deviantart and anywhere for that matter here on the web. My son is exposed to artwork that shows women's breasts every time he's with me on the weekends. He will grow up learning that it is not leud or wrong to see a woman's breasts. By sheltering children from what the human body looks like they will grow up with a twisted outlook on sex. Give it a rest. If there is no sex involved and the women are not in provocative poses then there should be no problem. I have been drawing nude women for years and years and will not stop. In my opinion, everything should be turned back the way it was. Do we take this so far as to remove all the dirty language in the songs people post here? It would be the logical choice. Lets all get real here and get on with life and what this site is really about. Not everyone has to see eye to eye. It is not the way of the world and if it were what a boring place it would be.
bastardsofglory	Date: July 21, 2003 @ 7:02 PM Elu, is your son exposed to artwork that shows men's dicks or asses? If so, then I'll buy your argument. Otherwise, it seems just a tiny bit 1 sided. We can all agree that we don't see eye to eye, but that doesn't mean that you don't say anything or leave it alone. If I want to see those kinds of images, I'll go some place else I would expect to find them. Otherwise, this site is "really about" music thus the title, DMUSIC unless Leflaw changes it to DT&A.
hudsondealers1	Date: July 21, 2003 @ 10:47 PM By sheltering children from what the human body looks like they will grow up with a twisted outlook on sex.!!1 :nods: Indeed!
djfacemachine	Date: July 22, 2003 @ 2:05 AM good god... ok... this whole thing is WAY out of hand. the problem with censoring things, images in particular, is that different people have a different idea of how censored things should be. therein lies the problem. you will NEVER be able to please everybody EVER. someone will complain about something not being censored enough. ok, so you censor it. but then what about the people that didn't thing censorship was necessary? yeah, so, in my opinion you DO have to censor to a certain degree, but not so much. people need to do some of their own censoring. i agree that nothing lewd should be shown i.e. people engaged in sexual activity. nudity is probably even ok though. nudity CAN be tasteful... and... artsy if someone is offended by an image they need to learn to turn away, go to a different page, and understand that not everyone feels the same way that they do. protecting children from lewd images is mostly in the hand of the parental unit. its dmusic's job to not PROMOTE it and shove it in the kid's face. until then, boobies forever.
sinai	Date: July 22, 2003 @ 3:26 AM damn, i wish ida done that, look at all the exposure that dude is getting...
TranceAction	Date: July 22, 2003 @ 3:44 AM amazon.com when byuing science literature. We want the right to buy a AK47 to protect ourselves. We want the right to buy ecstacy, so we can get high. Sheesh.... Like I said... This is not the classic "FREEDOM OF F_CKING SPEECH" nor is it the ever so dumb smart remark "IT'S THE PARENTS RESPONSIBILLITY". It's all about what DO YOU expect to find on DMusic and therefore availibility." id="55106">So it's not goverments or my responsibillity to prevent kids from being exposed to porn as little as it is a shopowner's responsibillity to stash the magazines out of eyesight of kids, right ? I mean; the parents dont have to send their kids down to buy a milk, when they know, they can be exposed to porn, right ? Hey! Just realized The same goes for drugs, guns and crime, right ? It's not the society's fault, that a kid can buy a gun and kill half a school or the society's fault the kids dies of O.D's is it ? Why not lower the age for kids to get a driver's license ? Hell... if they are raised right, they know they are not supposed to go nuts behind the wheel right ? Think ppl... Before stating the ever so f_ucking easy statement; It's the parents responsibillity! It's true to some point, YES! But there is another factor, which is called availabillity ladies and gentlemen. But oh no... We want ppl fucking their brains out when going to amazon.com when byuing science literature. We want the right to buy a AK47 to protect ourselves. We want the right to buy ecstacy, so we can get high. Sheesh.... Like I said... This is not the classic "FREEDOM OF F_CKING SPEECH" nor is it the ever so dumb smart remark "IT'S THE PARENTS RESPONSIBILLITY". It's all about what DO YOU expect to find on DMusic and therefore availibility.
Svensta	Date: July 22, 2003 @ 8:34 AM I disagree totally TA. This isn't at ALL about availability. Zero to do with that. As EVERYONE ELSE on this thread has already mentioned, graphic images are TOTALLY available everywhere on the net. The question is whether DM should police the entirety of its own pages (pages edited and controlled by its users, not its own corporate self) Society is not immoral, it is AMORAL. It cares not a whit for right or wrong, what SHOULD be and what SHOULDN'T be. It simply is. Whether this is just or not, is another topic totally. What this boils down to, is that the parent has a greater responsibility to safeguarding the travels of their children (and a far more enhanced reason to be so) than any company-run website. You liken explicit images to illegal drugs and illegal automatic weapons. This is completely absurd. There is NOTHING wrong with explicit imagery. The classical masters (Da Vinci, Michelangelo, Rafael) all worked EXTENSIVELY in nudes, and there is no hue and cry when a class of schoolchildren is brought to an art museum. There is NOTHING wrong with explicit images, save in the minds of a loud minority. It is repressive behavior, but they are COMPLETELY entitled to it. Just don't think for a SECOND, I am going to let you preach to ME what should and shouldn't be visible. You are the dictator of your own life, (and by legal precedence, the lives OF YOUR CHIILDREN) You have absolutely ZERO say in the lives of other people. This is freedom. Police yourself or go where they will tell you what you should and should not do. I hear China's got a kickass filter for their internet backbone, go scope them out.
leflaw	Date: July 22, 2003 @ 8:45 AM There is no more divisive issue than censorship. I run several BBS's and this is always the case. My attitude has always been less is more.
Elu	Date: July 22, 2003 @ 10:39 AM Well Bassterd...as a matter of fact...yes. My Son has seen artwork that displays a man's penis and ass...and it is no big deal. Art is art. Again, I will say what I think everyone else is saying here...it is the parents responsibility to police their children and let them know what is acceptable and not acceptable in life. And even then, if a parent is overly sensitive to an image it is not necessarily the position of the child growing into an adult. That child might be more open to images that offended his parents. As an artist I have also drawn nude men. It is a prerequisite to understanding the human form. Let's get on with life here.
leflaw	Date: July 22, 2003 @ 10:43 AM ELU, BTW, I LOVE "Behind closed doors"...
djfacemachine	Date: July 22, 2003 @ 12:23 PM keep in mind... it has been proven time and time again that if parents teach their children to view nudity as "dirty" and "wrong" they grow up with the wrong ideas about sex. not good. but at the totally other side of the spectrum... parents downright promoting sex and shoving it in their kids faces can give a child unhealthy ideas about sex. the parents' job is to find a happy medium there, its society's job, or dmusic in this case, to be as neutral as possibly. this means censoring maybe to a certain degree and not making this site have a naked requirement or something.
Svensta	Date: July 22, 2003 @ 12:29 PM I think it's pretty neutral as it stands. The site itself has absolutely nothing to do with nudity and graphic content, and only user pages are beyond its balliwick at this point. Also, it has responded to past requests regarding insults, abuse, and copyright infringement. I don't see a problem.
djfacemachine	Date: July 22, 2003 @ 1:37 PM i agree with sven... it seems like people are requesting dmusic to play the role of a parent in some ways tho, and personally i don't think that's a good idea nor will it work.
hudsondealers1	Date: July 22, 2003 @ 4:35 PM Cause your dammed if you do...and your dammed if you don’t. This has gotten way outta hand...some people did take it a bit to far....when people wont listen...you can only scream your opinion so loud before it turns to dead silence ...when no one gives a damn. " id="55185">It IS the parents responsibillity! PARENTS!!!not the government should decide what is proper and improper for their children. If your not going to be responsible for your children, You should think twice about having them!! Isnt this a music site....music is art...and so would be those pics in question.. to some folks. Its a choice you make for you and yours...dont blame society for things you as a parent should be held responsible for. If your not willing to conform to "society's mainstream" Then you should be prepared to get some kind of backlash. Cause your dammed if you do...and your dammed if you don’t. This has gotten way outta hand...some people did take it a bit to far....when people wont listen...you can only scream your opinion so loud before it turns to dead silence ...when no one gives a damn.
Elu	Date: July 22, 2003 @ 4:39 PM Thanks for the compliment Leflaw. It is greatly appreciated.
TranceAction	Date: July 23, 2003 @ 2:14 AM wallpaperhq.com..." id="55264">So if it is solely the parents task why have laws at all ? Like I said: Why not let kids get a driver's license earlier, let them drink, screw, do drugs, buy guns, read/watch porn/splatter/action/thrillers ect (continue the list, if you like) So it isn't society's problem if my kid can buy porn at the gas station, when I'm at work, cause I, as the responsible parent I am, must quit my job, so I can join my kids and monitor them every second 24 hour a day. shaking my head heavily It has everything to do with availability. Dont get me wrong. Kids should not be cut off museums and art nor nudity to some extent. But that's on museums and you, the parents, are with them or a teacher or whatever. I'm not trying to ban porn at all. But I'm question, where to find it. So you see, Svensta: It has everything to do with availability. I'm sick of when clicking a link, and suddenly I have 3 pop-ups where ppl are sucking, fucking, licking and you what else they do in those pop-ups. Yes! I have a popup-killer! Yes! I can ban certain sites in IE! Yes! I can ban this and that! But why should I have to ban a great site like DMusic cause of some pics that are in question of being art or porn ? Tell me that! Ooh and BTW: Dont tell me that you know exactly what your kids are doing 24/7/365. If you do, they will for sure be f_ucked up in the their heads. One last thing: I must say I'm surprised of the protection of a halfnaked girl here, when you all can find it at wallpaperhq.com...
TranceAction	Date: July 23, 2003 @ 2:46 AM http://www.desktopart.de/details.php?image_id=1928&sessionid=c884a58 87b7c2ff584111773b6990514 We had kids last weekend on vacation at the age of 5 and 7. It freaked them out. But hey; It's art now, isn't it... So why the hell should I remove it as a wallpaper ? It's the parents job, to make their kids immune to stuff like that, as it is with porn, isn't it ? /ironi off/" id="55271">Check this out: http://www.desktopart.de/details.php?image_id=1928&sessionid=c884a58 87b7c2ff584111773b6990514 We had kids last weekend on vacation at the age of 5 and 7. It freaked them out. But hey; It's art now, isn't it... So why the hell should I remove it as a wallpaper ? It's the parents job, to make their kids immune to stuff like that, as it is with porn, isn't it ? /ironi off/
blooddshedd	Date: July 23, 2003 @ 8:18 AM BREASTS NEVER HURT NOBODY
Svensta	Date: July 23, 2003 @ 10:13 AM Why should you have to ban a site like DMusic? Well, if you disagree with that site's rules on content, and you have people running around that you are responsibile for, then THAT might be why you want to do that. Seems pretty straightforward to me. So it's ALL ABOUT availability. Well then, WHO CONTROLS WHAT IS AVAILABLE TO A GIVEN CHILD? Some faceless site administrator? Wrong. The parents that give them access to a computer? ding We have a winner. How about instead of developing a 24/7 monitoring system, you RAISE your children, instead of just letting them seek out input on their own. (I don't mean you personally, TA, just people that espouse this farciful idea that I have to police myself on the internet, so little Johnny won't find anything that YOU find offensive.) Teach them to make some decisions, and to be moral and then you don't have to worry about the amoral conditions of the world. You will have a moral being out in it, who can filter for him/herself. Stop trying to ASSUME that I am going to take a role in helping you raise your kid, cause I have my own, and I choose to focus on her, and NOT assume the rules I set for her will be right for you or yours or anyone else. You just named three things you can do ON YOUR OWN to police things for your children. I don't see a problem here. Stop pretending some girl who forgot her bikini is a criminally insensitive picture and get OVER it. There is no pornography on here that would not be removed, as the site admins DEFINE pornography (see: sexually explicit ACT)
hudsondealers1	Date: July 23, 2003 @ 10:46 AM Amen Svensta! raise your kids with the vaules and morals you wish them to have and hope they learn....if not then the laws the government puts on fall into place...not the other way around
hudsondealers1	Date: July 23, 2003 @ 10:48 AM There is no pornography on here that would not be removed, as the site admins DEFINE pornography (see: sexually explicit ACT)
blooddshedd	Date: July 23, 2003 @ 12:08 PM like I said "Breast aint never hurt nobody"
Pagan	Date: July 23, 2003 @ 3:57 PM i think certain images illicit a certain 'dirty' feeling inside certain parents. They automatically assume the child has or will have the same perverse thoughts when veiwing said images. so they must save the child from these disgusting feelings. my point is that it is the parents sexual malfunction and unhealthy attitude towards sex that needs to be addressed before they pass it on to the child. Children giggle at nudity, they don't think sexual thoughts untill later on in life. The parent mistakenly assumes the child is thinking the same thing as they are and is horrified thinking their little innocent lamb is thinking such disgusting thoughts. I think this is the motivation behind bible thumping religious zealots who want to censor sex from movies and tv. It is THEIR reaction that is wrong , not some one elses, they believe the world thinks the same devious,perverted thoughts they do when veiwing nudity.
TranceAction	Date: July 23, 2003 @ 6:20 PM I'm not saying that raising your children and to teach the moral and standards shouldn't take place. Of course it should. A hell of a lot. Agreed to that. BUT! No matter how well you raise a kid, who controls all the new popups that is created everyday, huh ? Now a popup killer need to know what to kill and not, and if a new one comes forth and I'm not there (cause NOBODY can monitor noone 24/7) to kill it, who is ? My kid. So let's say I've raised my kid the 'right' way, but at some point, he gets the twisted look on sex, even though we have talk about the bees and flowers. He goes out and rape someone, cause that's what he has seen or even worse: He thinks it's ok ? Dont give that bullshit about it's the parents fault. no! no! no! no! no! It's a f_cking faceless horny, sexhungry motherf_cker jerk moron s.o.b asshole, who calls for "artistic freedom", "freedom of speech", "censorship sucks"... No offense to anyone here... Who's fault is it, when a kid shoots half a school ? Parents or availability ? If guns weren't so easy to buy in USA, then less parents would actually have guns within their homes, right ? So if the kid goes crazy, he/she have to use a knife, which is deadly, no doubt, but it's not as deadly as a gun... So who decides the parents can buy a gun ? The same goes for porn. It can twist some kids. It's a very thin line to balance on. Too little and too much can mess them up. It's just starting to be to much IMO." id="55362">Quote Svensta; "I don't mean you personally, TA....". I know... I'm not saying that raising your children and to teach the moral and standards shouldn't take place. Of course it should. A hell of a lot. Agreed to that. BUT! No matter how well you raise a kid, who controls all the new popups that is created everyday, huh ? Now a popup killer need to know what to kill and not, and if a new one comes forth and I'm not there (cause NOBODY can monitor noone 24/7) to kill it, who is ? My kid. So let's say I've raised my kid the 'right' way, but at some point, he gets the twisted look on sex, even though we have talk about the bees and flowers. He goes out and rape someone, cause that's what he has seen or even worse: He thinks it's ok ? Dont give that bullshit about it's the parents fault. no! no! no! no! no! It's a f_cking faceless horny, sexhungry motherf_cker jerk moron s.o.b asshole, who calls for "artistic freedom", "freedom of speech", "censorship sucks"... No offense to anyone here... Who's fault is it, when a kid shoots half a school ? Parents or availability ? If guns weren't so easy to buy in USA, then less parents would actually have guns within their homes, right ? So if the kid goes crazy, he/she have to use a knife, which is deadly, no doubt, but it's not as deadly as a gun... So who decides the parents can buy a gun ? The same goes for porn. It can twist some kids. It's a very thin line to balance on. Too little and too much can mess them up. It's just starting to be to much IMO.
Maffmatix	Date: July 23, 2003 @ 9:10 PM fuck
milladrive	Date: July 24, 2003 @ 1:23 AM I agree with Pagan's last post. ...and DislocatedBoner's. heh
sinai	Date: July 24, 2003 @ 1:52 AM ever heard of a global positioning device? no offense, just saying... :biggrin:" id="55423">and trance, since your obsessed with this "24/7" thing that NOONE can do... ever heard of a global positioning device? no offense, just saying...
TranceAction	Date: July 24, 2003 @ 2:54 AM Heard about those GPS'es. Didn't a german almost drive in a river, cause his GPS told him there was a brigde, when there atually wasn't ? So I'm not betting on those.
sinai	Date: July 24, 2003 @ 4:29 AM did ya read that in weekly world news by any chance?
TranceAction	Date: July 24, 2003 @ 8:47 AM Cant remember where I heard about it... Just found it freaking funny. Like the guy who took some stairs in his car, cause the GPS told him to turn right...
Pagan	Date: July 24, 2003 @ 9:18 AM this.maybe because of their twisted repressed parents? there are MILLIONS of people that are exposed to these things everyday that are normal, functional human beings. are we going to dumb the country down to the level of a few morons?" id="55469">you are right, porn can twist some kids, ....and music can twist some kids.....and violence can twist some kids....and religion can twist some kids.......and some kids are already twisted by the time they are exposed to any of this.maybe because of their twisted repressed parents? there are MILLIONS of people that are exposed to these things everyday that are normal, functional human beings. are we going to dumb the country down to the level of a few morons?
TranceAction	Date: July 24, 2003 @ 9:31 AM All I'll say is: It's just starting to be to much IMO.
Karmatic	Date: July 24, 2003 @ 10:36 PM What came first, the music or the misery? People worry about kids playing with guns, or watching violent videos, that some sort of culture of violence will take them over. Nobody worries about kids listening to thousands, literally thousands of songs about heartbreak, rejection, pain, misery and loss. Did I listen to pop music because I was miserable? Or was I miserable because I listened to pop music?
jackschitt	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 12:07 AM Nah........ You were just born a loser ........ LOL
sinai	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 1:26 AM for shame! lol
UnbreakableTed	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 3:03 AM I can't believe I missed out on all this. This is starting to rank with the most ridiculous things I've ever seen. My vote: Mandatory porn on every page, and force all users to change their nicks to include at least one curse word or racial slur. Then we can restart this thread. It'll make more sense then.
sinai	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 3:09 AM shoulda been here ted, waza lotta fun!
UnbreakableTed	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 3:16 AM I noticed. I still say we need to change everyone's names though. Dibs on "Hitler's Fucking Grandma".
sinai	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 3:21 AM too late! but "rabbit testicles" is still free
UnbreakableTed	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 3:23 AM Motherfucker. How about "Uncle Greaseball"?
sinai	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 3:25 AM sold to the man with the bottle of pills!
UnbreakableTed	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 3:27 AM heh. I wish I had pills. Oh, wait. Can I say that now? [See how dumb censorship is, everybody? It's like rain on your wedding day. Or getting AIDS from a virgin who happened to get a blood transfusion one time when she was 11.]
Pagan	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 5:36 AM didnt you steal that aids reference from an alanis song?
sinai	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 5:40 AM well isnt that ironic
Pagan	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 11:31 AM "A black fly in your chardonay, getting aids from a virgin.....who happened to get a blood transfusion one time when she was 11"
Svensta	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 12:09 PM and some good advice that you just can't take. I can't believe this has devolved into an Alanis Lyric thing :fleeing:
jackschitt	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 3:04 PM This is really starting to take on the look of a confessional.
leflaw	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 8:08 PM Do I know Jack Schitt?
starseven	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 8:10 PM i am sooooooo lost
EZKDRM	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 8:15 PM Well, I wonder why some have big problems with what kids will see around here, but don't think about what kind of lanquage they use that these same kids will here or read. kind of a double standard isn't it. If you are going to have a problem with inappropriate pics and make a big stink about it, then do the same about inappropriate language which is just as bad. Pornographic pics vs pornographic language.....hmmmmmmm
jerkface	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 8:50 PM we should all just go listen to A.D.I.D.A.S by koRn.
victorsskull	Date: July 25, 2003 @ 9:18 PM korn is good with butter and salt
sinai	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 1:11 AM and some bizkits!
Jennae	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 1:57 AM plese feel free to continue on this tired subject I could use the points.
sinai	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 2:17 AM will do
Jennae	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 2:26 AM 273 do I hear 274 hell i have a week to make up for.
sinai	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 3:37 AM sold to the man with the blue cross!
TranceAction	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 5:40 AM :rolf: Jennae Tired subject ? Gee! You think ?
Jennae	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 6:44 AM 276 yeah baby
Pagan	Date: July 27, 2003 @ 6:02 AM lol
teknokimono	Date: August 2, 2003 @ 8:13 PM censorship is the best form of marketing ever invented. just remember that.
teknokimono	Date: August 2, 2003 @ 8:18 PM Since the picture is gone, does anyone know where I can see it, since I missed it when it was posted here, thus have no context or content to make a decision on?
Pagan	Date: August 5, 2003 @ 3:11 PM picture a beautifull nude woman by a pool but turned in such a way to not show any "evil" parts and if you relax your eyes and kinda squint you can see a nipple or it might be a part of her elbow.
VampireMoon1369	Date: August 5, 2003 @ 10:32 PM How do we use such a system at Dmusic? I know at MSN certain pages are locked up for certain ages as stated in profiles. A lot of my original artwork pushes the limit http://files.dmusic.com/music/v/a/vampiremoon/VMrecordlogo003.gif and I'd like to be able to "lock out" anything I wouldnt want minors to see without thier parent's consent. Nothing should be censored, but not everything should be veiwed/heard by minors, how do we "card" users? PS: I never did see the pictures in question" id="57522">One man's art is another man's porn, also it may be offensive to someone else. I find the practice of chopping down and killing a piece of nature in order to decorate it only to throw it away to be very offensive and yet people who have Xmas trees dont even see my point. Ive seen some very good points made in this thread, now may I add my own? Music as art can at times push the limits, the artwork that may accompany albums may also do this. I like to think music and the artwork go hand in hand. Nudity as art is a bit more edgy and pushes harder at these limits, anyone ever see the Blind Faith album cover with the topless 12 year old girl? Child porn to one, art to another, stored in my basement with all the orginal Kiss albums I hate any censorship, but I do like labeling. The warning "Parental Advisory, Explicit Lyrics" is not law but many stores will not sell these albums to minors, I like those stores. Same thing with certain video games, you have to be 18 to buy 'em. If a parent chooses to allow his teen to have it then its all cool. I plan on letting my children read the Playboy Advisor for sexual information when they're older, and the Parental Advisory just means I'll have to give it a listen so I know what they're hearing. How do we use such a system at Dmusic? I know at MSN certain pages are locked up for certain ages as stated in profiles. A lot of my original artwork pushes the limit http://files.dmusic.com/music/v/a/vampiremoon/VMrecordlogo003.gif and I'd like to be able to "lock out" anything I wouldnt want minors to see without thier parent's consent. Nothing should be censored, but not everything should be veiwed/heard by minors, how do we "card" users? PS: I never did see the pictures in question
GeneHilbert	Date: August 5, 2003 @ 11:53 PM There is no such thing as bad PR....... Just ask Kobe.......
sinai	Date: August 6, 2003 @ 12:09 AM who in the hell pulled this wedgie out of the asscrack of the past?
smelv1n	Date: August 6, 2003 @ 12:28 AM would you delete l'origine du monde?

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