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Maffmatix	Date: November 12, 2003 @ 2:21 PM How much is this "Chucky" character paying dmusic to have EVERY ONE of his songs on the whole top 20 list and picks and all that shit?
GeneHilbert	Date: November 12, 2003 @ 3:31 PM You too can become a self-streamer.... Three easy lessons for the unbelievable price of $19.95. Limited no. available. So ACT NOW!!! ......... Don't wait... they're going fast.
fu-dog	Date: November 12, 2003 @ 3:45 PM Maybe i need to put a little explanation up for the top 20? Chuckie is still getting the most unique listens per day. That bumps him up on both chart systems. The Top 20 can't be cheated by self streaming. Perhaps it's time you and everyone else on DMusic decided what would be a good measure of song popularity. That way, we could have a consensus of how things were measured, and i could institute a "fair and just" chart system.
ashleighj	Date: November 12, 2003 @ 4:17 PM "The Top 20 can't be cheated by self streaming." oh nonsense. i'll bet all you'd need to do is log out, turn off cookies in your browser, and change IP addresses several times each day. which is quite easy for dial-up users, and equally easy for me since my DSL modem loses sync about 20 times a day. but that's a whole 'nother rant. but i'm willing to assume there's no cheating going on. i think we should have a top 20 artists, not a top 20 songs. whichever artist is getting the most unique plays per day can have their featured track or their most played track listed in the list.
Thaspian	Date: November 12, 2003 @ 4:18 PM He's getting listens because he IS at the top. So there goes the cycle... I've never seen him interact at all, so it isn't like all these people just found him, they went to the picks. What came first, the pick or the many people listening to it? Chicken or the egg?
fu-dog	Date: November 12, 2003 @ 5:32 PM ashleighj: Let me clarify, "today's top 20" cannot be cheated by self-streaming, but the old "DM Picks" charts can. Unlike the other chart system, "today's top 20" takes unique IP addresses into account. Okay, so i fibbed about it not being cheatable. It can be cheated, but it's a bit of a hassle. Especially for someone that doesn't have a huge block of IP addresses at their disposal. In any case, there's no way we can keep the chart system 100% safe against cheaters. Since a universal ID does not exist on a per computer basis (thankfully), there will always be some way to get around any system put in place. IP addresses are the next best thing we've got, and because they're not always static some self-streamers will be able to advance themselves ever so slightly. However, this new system that takes IP addresses into consideration practically cancels the power of self-streaming. Well, outside of AOL users that is, and anyone else that gets a random proxy IP for every single internet request they make. That, however, is another issue, one that i can nothing about. Thaspian: The old chart system does indeed help keep the cycle continuing. The "today's top 20" does not perpetuate the cycle, however. Note that the URL for any song on that list has a 'top' somewhere in it. This insures that when the song is played, it's added to the count of today's listens in a different way so as to keep the charts from sustaining themselves. When i remove or alter the old "DM Picks" charts, you'll find that there will be a lot more slide in "today's" charts. So... back to my previous statement: - Perhaps it's time you and everyone else on DMusic decided what would be a good measure of song popularity. That way, we could have a consensus of how things were measured, and i could institute a "fair and just" chart system. -
furiousBall	Date: November 12, 2003 @ 5:29 PM you know, using an ip anonymizer or cookie cleaning will always be done and there isn't a real way to prevent that 100% of the time. that said, let's really think about the charts, how much do they really matter? they only advantage i get from having a song up high is i get more comments, which helps me write better tunes and collabing with some other artists - so what is chuckie gaining if he isn't interacting with the rest of us? not much. i used to get excited about a new song zooming up the charts, but then i just watch it slide down the charts like a slug down a well wall
fu-dog	Date: November 12, 2003 @ 5:43 PM I was thinking about having a billion different charts. A curious user can click to a page that hosts a matrix of charts. Two based on commentary (ye olde thumbs up/down), two based on streams (most, least), two on downloads (most, least), two for track listen age (most recent, oldest), one for top songs purchased (cause we'll eventually add the ability to pay for tracks), and a slew of charts that weight each of the above in some way to come out with an overall track score. The ways for representing the data are legion, and regardless of what we devise folks will be unhappy with some aspect. Hence the myriad of charts to appease and confuse the masses. [nerding - Plus, it'll display interesting data relationships.] The bad thing is, the site wasn't originally set up to take each click into account as an unique action. When i start to implement the new chart systems the old stream and download counts will disappear. I bet i'm gonna hear murderous screams for that when it happens.
Jennae	Date: November 12, 2003 @ 6:58 PM charts.... I'm laughin'
pog	Date: November 12, 2003 @ 7:02 PM hmmm... I was thinking you could make a seperate stream for the tracks on the charts, then songs can go up and down the charts based on the hits achieved from their user's page. And you could make it so that only logged in users hits are registered. Surely that would be fairer.
sinai	Date: November 12, 2003 @ 7:03 PM juss leave it as it is, the site works fine. the charts are fine so one guy has 10 of the twenty songs in the top ten, none of you would be bitching if it was you good for him, mebbe if im lucky it'll happen to me
Maffmatix	Date: November 12, 2003 @ 7:09 PM The thing is, his music isn't that amazing that it's justified. I am not hating on his music, in fact it seems pretty good. I just don't understand why there is a chart system when it's all one guy and there are tons of other equally good or better artists on the site.
sinai	Date: November 12, 2003 @ 7:23 PM mebbe, mebbe not, i dunno, dunt play much hip hop but the old system was worse, shit it didnt budge for months!! the new system isnt perfect but to me its one helluva improvement, even if i aint the one benefitting from it
ronnie71	Date: November 12, 2003 @ 7:52 PM he seems to be popular. You can go to his bandpage and there is usually six to seven people there at any given time.
Sweats	Date: November 12, 2003 @ 7:58 PM Chuckie sucks. Im sorry, but he doesn't deserve it.
Maffmatix	Date: November 12, 2003 @ 9:08 PM See what I mean- and you're gonna hear comments like Sweats' because he's not THAT great... oh well. No need to hate.
chrissturt	Date: November 13, 2003 @ 6:18 AM May be all charts are stupid? A record at number 1 isnt always good,(hardly ever to be honest)& a record at number 110 for example isnt always bad. Here in the uk the charts are geared for 11 year olds who like a record for about 5 minuets, then move to the next thing.not really a good indicator of a good record
chrissturt	Date: November 13, 2003 @ 6:19 AM i dont know why the link above is there?
soundsseeker	Date: November 13, 2003 @ 10:30 AM Charts are for the lazy followers ..Just because its in the top 10,20,40,..whatever, doesnt mean its for me. I usually see which artists are online and check out their music...if no one is really on line (hardly ever) I then go to a genre I like--& pick one out of the hat..If I like the music I add it to my playlist(when I remember.. sometimes I have to come back and find it again),..if I really like it I download it...I try to leave comments if not right away-- due to a time factor-- then I try to come back and do the right thing...If I don't like it..I just move on (..if you can't say something nice don't say nothing at all)..This site is free(mostly)..do something for the music you want to hear besides looking at the charts to see what everyone else is listening to. Just my opinion but it works for me. I do admit to checking out others playlists in addition to seeing who is online and going to the music bin. You have an opportunity here to listen to anything you want- not what everyone else is listening to...Of Course if that's your thing there is always the DMusic radio. I also always listen to the guys that are promoted or promoting themselves actively. I never even look at the charts anymore. When I first came here ( not that long ago) I started with the chart but after a while that music got old as it was the same old thing week after week.......oh well finished rambling....
ChucKieX	Date: November 13, 2003 @ 2:09 PM Im sorry if you all think its unfair or I suck but truth is I just make music for the people who want to listen to it. I just speak whats real through my songs so Im sorry If i suck guess all the people that listen to my shit think i suck to... damn ;(
Maffmatix	Date: November 13, 2003 @ 2:22 PM Like I said Chuckie, I aint hating- again, I think your music aint bad at all, shit... im sayin the chart system if just fucked up.
mracky	Date: November 13, 2003 @ 3:19 PM charts are only one measurement of a song being accessed. And regardless of whether I like or use charts, others do. I say keep all we have and increase their usefullness to both the artist and the listener by adding datum to the current song record. Fu-dog's vision of a 'billion charts' is great because it has 'least' categories (Where if you played the song that has never been streamed, you could cause it to move to number two!) I see it like stock histories. This change would require new db tables for archiving and tracking chart positions. For instance even though a song is currently #199, it would be great to uncover that it was #1 for two weeks in a previous year. what was the highest (and lowest) a song ever placed? For the artist, how many hits did a song have this week, last week, what songs are moving fastest up/down the charts? An sql search request on these statistics could do things like find any song that was ever number 1, or what song was in the top 10 for the longest time...things to prompt the browsing listener to venture into new territory.
fu-dog	Date: November 13, 2003 @ 4:00 PM Aw mracky, that's a whole differnt ballgame; a much more amusing one. Looks like i'll have to design a couple more tables...
ashleighj	Date: November 13, 2003 @ 4:26 PM could downloads be given more weight than streams? most people download the best songs they hear and play them lots of times. (or if they already are given more weight.. ummm, ooops -- way to go!! )
Sweats	Date: November 13, 2003 @ 5:22 PM I guess Chuckie hates me now, but all I have to say id he has more thumbs dons than thumbs up, so I guess you can see what me a nd the boner are trying to say. I would put The Dirty Don's music against Chuckie's anyday, and I would think more people, at least our target audience, would choose The Dirty Don over Chuckie. http://dirtydon.dmusic.com . Check it out, I suggest The Champ, Dirty Way, Bar Night, and A Preview of Things to Come, or Trendy if you want funny stuff. If you think Chuckie is better than that, than its all good, but I can't see it. If you think Im cocky, don't think so, cause I dont even make the music, I just promote it as a fan and part of the promotion team.......ok he's my brother but he's still better. I would also put Dislocated boner way ahead. Anybody who makes a song about Tony Shaloub is good in my book.
Sweats	Date: November 13, 2003 @ 5:27 PM But like I said, target audience. Obviously some guy who wears Abercombie & Fitch and is all trendy probably won't dig that kinda music.
ChucKieX	Date: November 13, 2003 @ 6:19 PM you know what? whoopie im on the charts i dont even care im sorry mr. Internet Celeberties hail sweats oh yes ur brother music is good sorry whats he rappin about though? oh noo hes a gangster! dont hurt me but..... what do i know im jus some guy dat lives in a world surronded by gangs, drugs and murder who decides to relate my music with ppl who live da struggle sorrryyy for bein on ur fuckin charts ill try my best to stay off them ok? have fun u superstars
Jennae	Date: November 13, 2003 @ 6:22 PM ya'll need to period. don't be hatin'... I say mali- you say Boo
mracky	Date: November 13, 2003 @ 6:27 PM ashleigh - mp3.com.au (unrelated to Vivendi) counts 10 for every download and 1 per stream. this skews the results even moreso towards those who perform self-downloads (through automatic robots). They automatically 'retire' a song after about three months on the charts so that it no longer appears on the track charts. They also have artist charts; streaming a 'retired' song counts as a cumulative artist hit.
Maffmatix	Date: November 13, 2003 @ 6:32 PM hehe Sweats- thanks man. Yea, apologies if I started any fights.
leflaw	Date: November 13, 2003 @ 6:37 PM chuckie is high on my charts. Hope to see u in Baltimore!!!
TameasDust	Date: November 13, 2003 @ 7:33 PM of course you could allow ONLY ONE top twenty pick per artist ... just a thought
YaBoyDrew	Date: November 13, 2003 @ 8:33 PM Personally i got my own opnions on wut songs should b there but ima fight 2 get up there like any1 else, ima keep doin my thing n stayin tru 2 me n watch it bloom.... juss gotta keep strivin
Jazzmary2U	Date: November 13, 2003 @ 11:30 PM .. seems to me that "back in the day" when I first scoped dmusic the first page had the charts on it with the steams, etc. I went to those first, cause it was there and I didn't know the broad scope of the site. So, as such, it is an introduction to dmusic.. So I agree with Tameas.. to a degree.. that maybe more artist and wider represents should be on the home page anyways. When one person gets maybe half of the front page, it seems that one misses the rich music variety within.. just a
ChillinBuzz	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 2:28 AM I guess it might be to do with the fact that everyday charts (i.e. manufactured ) are always infested with same or similar amounts of dire commercialised music streaking through the top slots. I guess seeing as its an indie site one genre simply should not be allowed to tear the charts to pieces. I would've extended that to single artists blitzing the charts too but i think we should be able to find artists hiding down in #200 (add a zero for hip-hop section ) a lot easier than having to flip through several pages to reach them (perhaps a more concise chart system as well, for quick access, just artist - songname - stream links, and do a Top 100, 200 or user definable )
ChillinBuzz	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 2:30 AM damn i skewered my thoughts for a moment there... ... I would've extended that to single artists blitzing the charts but FaceMachine holds a very prospective position in electronic and I know well enough she isnt a self-streamer so she earned it for real, but hey, charts were made to be dominated, abused and fiddled. Thats life
Bill43	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 3:47 AM With exception to any coding difficulties... Here's an easy option. Just take the top X number from each genre and post it that way. Chuckie can still have the top spots for hip hop and everyone else will get a shot at whatever it is that they want. IOW... you have a top 20. You have 19 genres. Give 2 spots to Chuck and 1 for every other genre. They can rotate the genres if 1 spot out of 20 is too small. Divide it up into groups of 4 genres and give each one 5 spots on the chart. Then after a set time... the next 4 genres get the chart... and so on. If the rotation is continued it wont make any difference that there are only 19 genres and 20 top spots. You could even randomize the 4 genres being displayed on the chart. IDK... just a thought.
ChillinBuzz	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 6:21 AM rotation isnt a bad idea. seeing as theres 7 days, 19 genres, no genre will dominate a particular day more than once at a time... you know something? how about allowing artists something like 5 or so chartable songs or something, configurable from the band admin page more needed
victorsskull	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 10:59 AM maybe one band from each generation that would be cool
Jesuszilla	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 11:02 AM Could have a limit of 3 songs in chart. I don't think that's the problem though, I think there needs to be more featured artists for each genre that change quite often so more people get heard. Or have a featured page that people can look at when they first go on the site like the one now, only with lots of stuff on it. Or have a special featured section that's on a brand new and shiny page. What you t'ink?
ashleighj	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 11:18 AM i don't think limiting how many songs an artist has on the charts is the answer.. i think most people are interested in seeing which of their songs are better-received than others. (hmmm, this song is #18, but this one is #122.. i uploaded them at the same time.. i guess no one is that fond of #122.) who cares if one person has 12 songs in a row on the 18th page of the charts? i'm with j'zilla on the changing the features more often, though. the ones on the front page seem to be the only ones that ever move around.
GeneHilbert	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 11:48 AM Does it really matter..........? If the kid's HOT he's HOT....... It's much ado about nothing. He's not going to be there forever........ someone will take his place. Spend more time promoting - and less time grumbling - and it could be YOU.......!
victorsskull	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 1:11 PM yes Ive been up there with the rest before and I will do it again one day
Sweats	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 1:24 PM Qutoed by Chuckie... "whats he rappin about though? oh noo hes a gangster! dont hurt me but..... what do i know im jus some guy dat lives in a world surronded by gangs, drugs and murder who decides to relate my music with ppl who live da struggle" FIRST OFF, YOU OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T LISTEN TO ONE LYRIC IN ANY SONG. ALL THE SONGS ARE SO ANTI-GANGSTA RAP ITS UNBELIEVABLE THAT YOU WOULD EVEN SAY THAT. AND LIVIN THE STRUGGLE? I DOUBT IT, BUT IF YOU DO, THATS GREAT KEEP ON BATTLING. YOU ARE PROBABLY SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN A PLACE NEAR A GHETTO AND CLAIMS THAT GHETTO. LIKE I COULD SAY I LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF WILMINGTON,DE. WHERE THERE IS TONS OF MURDER, AND EVEN MORE DRUGS, WHEN I KNOW I LIVE OUTSIDE OF IT.
Sweats	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 1:29 PM And if you think Im hatin your wrong. I could care less if someone was ranked #1 and I was #3566. Even if there music was horrible I would be happy for them, assuming people actually listened to them that much. But when you have 14 out of 20 songs on today's top 20, strange thins are goin down. You'd expect it to be the greatest songs ever or something. And once again, my main point is more thumbs down. Do they have effects on the charts, they should.
Sweats	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 1:43 PM I hate to sound like a man obsessed, I guess I should have put this all in one post, but it just keeps coming to me. I saw in your bio that you are from those HARD streets in Toronto. With all those gangstas ay? How aboot....ah I'll stop now.
GeneHilbert	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 3:51 PM 12s ChucKieX streamed "ChucKie - Homies In Jail" by "ChucKieXAkeNz". Quality control........
redrasta	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 4:30 PM Now now kiddies.... Anyone think about how many people have read all these posts about Chuckie, and have now gone to check out what all the fuss is about!! Hows THAT fer promoting the guy y'all were complaining about!?!?
Lcrowley	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 4:36 PM fu-dog I have one sentence for you ... You can make some of the people happy sone of the time, BUT, you canot make al of the people happy all of the time .. you are doinga tremendous job . and have much more important things to worry with than spending all your time trying to make a chart system better .. Charts are stupid anyways !! ha ha ha ha Bringin fans to the site is soooooo much more important than the charts .. Lana
Jennae	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 5:02 PM who cares... the only thing i don't like about the top 20 or charts is that they lack true representation of the site. I think we have tons of great artist and I don't think artistis should repeat so much.. I wold have like to have seen a larer variety of msucians represented for we do have tons of great artist here.. but.. eh.. who cares...
Jennae	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 5:03 PM still recovering from the drunken stooper.. can't type oh well
arlington	Date: November 14, 2003 @ 6:13 PM Hey all, I'm somewhat of a new member here and would like to offer my 2 cents. I originally pitched my tent (and still do) at Artist Launch, and this same debate went on there as well. The system is set up so as no one artist can have more than 3 song on the charts at any given time. There is also a feature that allows you to choose the chart of a particular genre. For the most part, I agree with some of you, that the charts are lame. Although they make good promotion material (if your songs are even ON the charts). I generally don't even visit the charts, preferring to sift through the forums to get a feel for the artists and what they have to say. THEN I go check out their music. To the average listener/visitor though, the first thing they generally check out are the charts. It would benifit more artists and create more retention if the artist thought they actually had a chance to climb the charts. If one artist is allowed to dominate most positions, what incentive is there to keep your music here at all. There's quite a few indie sites to choose from. There definately needs to be a revamp to the setup. When I first checked the top 20, I seriously thought it was a database error. Hope the site admin(s) come to some type of resolution. The music is all good. RIAA is bad. Us indies should be fighting them....not each other TJ Arlington Attic
Cryxan	Date: November 15, 2003 @ 4:08 AM Working off of Bill's idea... How about using the top 20 from all genres as the source for the front page chart, and displaying 20 random tracks from that pool? With 19 genres, that's 380 songs that can rotate through, changing with every page refresh. At this point, it ceases to be a true chart, and we'd have to call it something other than "DMusic's Top 20," but anyone wanting to see that can still get it at music.dmusic.com. This achieves move genre variety and will greatly reduce the chances of a single artist dominating the list (or even appearing more than once), but it still recognize artists who've earned the numbers.
fu-dog	Date: November 15, 2003 @ 8:11 AM DM Picks will no longer register for "today's top X listens." This includes both those @ music.dmusic.com and those in each genre. The BIN, and links anywhere else on the site will still register. This should help reduce the prophecy a bit more, and make the listens charts a bit more representative of non-mass behavior.
Sweats	Date: November 16, 2003 @ 3:46 AM Talk about injustices. I just listened to CBF's album, http://cbf.dmusic.com and they are crushing anyone on DMusic that I've heard. Are they in the Top 20? Nope. But Chuckie is in it like 21 times. Its not possible you say, Im sure he'll find a way.
ChucKieX	Date: November 16, 2003 @ 7:30 PM ^^ ur my number 1 fan eh? seems like it cuz every time u have something to say my names in it ahahaha keep on tryin to bring me down or whaeva ut u got nothin on me dawgy lol pz
Jennae	Date: November 16, 2003 @ 7:57 PM alright Sweats and Chuckie.. to your corners.. get over it.. charts will sort but bitchin about it ain't getting anything anywhere..
sinai	Date: November 16, 2003 @ 9:19 PM i even made it on it for 5 seconds last night
ChucKieX	Date: November 16, 2003 @ 10:04 PM ok jennae's right see i came onto dmusic as humble as possible tryin not to interact n shit but always readin n seein whasup but now lets get this over with a fuck you sweats u can suck my cock bitch ur a fuckin old fart that needs to open ur eyes n relize YEP music aint for u buddy ahahaha GOOOOOOD LUCK dere buddy And for everyone on dmusic that just haddd to get up on myy case n bitch n whine FUCK U ALL TO GOT BEEF? COME DO ME SOMETHING! CANT? oh well den jus shut the fuck up n have a nice day LATERRRR AHAHAHAHA
Bill43	Date: November 16, 2003 @ 11:08 PM Ding ding... In this corner... weighing in at ........
Sweats	Date: November 16, 2003 @ 11:32 PM I don't know he does have a pic of a gun on his site. Im afraid he'll cap my ass.
Maffmatix	Date: November 17, 2003 @ 12:18 AM I said sorry to ChucKie and his ass decided to talk shit. Fuck him.
Sweats	Date: November 17, 2003 @ 3:24 AM Yea, you're scarin me. A 5 foot tall asian kid from Canada who has his name on his shirt, and insists on putting pictures of a gun on his webpage. Im shaking...... GO USA!!!
chrissturt	Date: November 17, 2003 @ 5:56 AM Why has everyone gone f---ing mad over this? Jennae seems to be talking sense here,lets just play music& get on with it. GOOD LUCK CHUCKIE
mouthalmighty	Date: November 20, 2003 @ 2:54 PM damn, chuckie, you sound like a bit of an asshole man. seems a shame the entire chart is filled with someone that constructs sentences with the literary capabilities of your local crack head.
Bill43	Date: November 20, 2003 @ 4:17 PM Okay people... let's try to remember where we are. I think we're all above the "knee-jerk" reactions. That's one of the myriad of things I love about DMusic.
ashleighj	Date: November 20, 2003 @ 4:25 PM a knee-jerk reaction would be a freakin' improvement. no one is going to like everything on the top 20 -- that's where you're going to have the most people listening, and hence, the most people who don't care for your music. everyone has their own tastes. it doesn't matter if someone hates all 20 songs there and can think of a ton of better bands. i'd just like to see more variety if it's going to be a prominent feature on the front page. isn't that what this thread was supposed to be about?
Bill43	Date: November 20, 2003 @ 4:44 PM I agree Ashleigh... its just that I don't care too much for flame wars.
sween	Date: November 20, 2003 @ 5:09 PM Hello hello hello hello! somebody put me in the top 20 so can be talked about this much heheee Im actually serious...
juliesbroken...	Date: November 20, 2003 @ 6:35 PM Just decided to check on something: 25m 0s 1vory streamed "This Street Life" by "ChucKieXAkeNz". 25m 18s 1vory streamed "Lil Jay Ft. ChucKie - Thank You" by "ChucKieXAkeNz". 25m 28s LiLxLaOxChiK streamed "Ben - I just love you" by "R n Ben". 25m 32s LiLxLaOxChiK streamed "Ben - I just love you" by "R n Ben". 25m 44s Init1al-J streamed "Xanga Song" by "Init1al-J". 25m 50s 1vory streamed "Lil Jay Ft. ChucKie - Thank You" by "ChucKieXAkeNz". 26m 6s glynjedwards streamed "Metal for the masses" by "Glyn Edwards". 26m 14s glynjedwards streamed "Metal for the masses" by "Glyn Edwards". 26m 22s 1vory streamed "This Street Life" by "ChucKieXAkeNz". Note the times that this person played chuck's music (he doesn't even deserve to have his name capitalized). Taking into account that each song was streamed between approximately 20 and 30 seconds apart proves that the person streaming them was not listening to the songs, merely streaming to boost the chart rating. Maybe an admin should look into similar instances of this. Or maybe a solution could be made in regards to this such as not allowing one IP addresses's streams effect the charts for the duration of the previous song (ie - if a song is 4:30 long, and they switch to a different song before the previous song's 4:30 is up, the second song's charts will not be effected). This could at least make cheating take more time.
sinai	Date: November 20, 2003 @ 6:37 PM it always does that julie, if i was to stream anyone's track once, it shows up on the interact screen twice, dont know why...juss does
juliesbroken...	Date: November 20, 2003 @ 7:10 PM You're right sinai1. Regardless, however, there would still be only a 1 minute interval between the starting of one song and another. I know that it is common for people to decide "Well, I don't like this song, but maybe they have a better one" and switch after a couple seconds. This only shows, though, how easy it would be for someone to pump up their songs if they so desired, now that I reflect upon it. Still, it would be nice for someone to check backlogs and see how often something like this happens with chuck's songs.
Tudris	Date: November 20, 2003 @ 9:25 PM I've got no time to read the entire thread (I should be working on a paper right now), but I like Fu's idea of multiple charts representing each type of data. I'm not sure how DM's back-end is set up, but this has been a fairly easy thing to do in my own experience. And the end result will make a very interesting display of relationships (as Fu said), especially for certain breeds of human prone to nerd-levels of information consumption. Personally, I stopped caring about the charts when I noticed, in the Interact section of the website, several people streaming and downloading their own songs anywhere from 3 to 15 times in a row, obviously in an attempt to cheat the charts. Of course, it's natural for all musicians to want their music heard, but the charts seem to motivate a certain level of dishonesty to achieve that end. Another contributing factor to disdain for the charts would have to be the utter mystery as to how they work. I've had a song hit number one only hours after uploading it, and I just can't see how that works with only a small number of streams (not that I minded the recognition ). Invariably, the song would learn its role slowly over the next few days. Then again, if the chart algorithm were made available, people could come up with intricate schemes for breaking the charts. I can see it now: the DM Chartbomb, ala Googlebomb. Sites dedicated to optimizing chart-cheating performance. Companies sprouting up to help their clients advance the DM charts. Well, maybe not that far, but you get the point. All that said, I would go with multiple charts, and maybe one with a complicated, top-secret, super-special algorithm (better than the current one, whatever it may be) for the "main" chart to display on the front Music page. With cute little links such as, "Display by Unique Streams", and "Ascending".
Tudris	Date: November 20, 2003 @ 9:47 PM Forgot to mention one thing... Wherever the charts go, just ensure that they don't end up promoting the promoted. Nothing against the artists on the top 20, they deserve to be there. However, seeing a song there encourages users to listen, which is fine, but if those listens lead to those songs holding a monopoly on the chart, it might as well be a static page with no dynamic content whatsoever. Basically, the algorithm should take into account the extra streams and such a song will get for being on the chart. Make some sort of fail-safe that ensures a good cycle of new songs. Perhaps a song should be given a maximum amount of time before it inevitably begins dropping down the ranks. I don't know. I don't have time to think about it too deeply at the moment (getting started on the aforementioned paper).
ChillinBuzz	Date: November 20, 2003 @ 9:54 PM i cant be arsed to read all this. charts suck, period. same as the label controlled ones. better things to do than waste time on lame ass self streamers. if ChuckieDuckie wants to play his own shit, let him.
Dizeazed	Date: November 21, 2003 @ 1:26 AM Well... I don't know how these charts work... but it's not by the thumbs-up thumbs-down method... I have no solution at this time... I don't even know what I'm still typing for... Goodbye...
woodhead	Date: November 21, 2003 @ 1:31 AM Anyone think about how many people have read all these posts about Chuckie, and have now gone to check out what all the fuss is about!! You got it girl, no such thing as bad publicity, as long as there is publicity.
woodhead	Date: November 21, 2003 @ 1:34 AM somebody put me in the top 20 so can be talked about this much heheee ME TOO!!!!! ME TOO!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!
ChucKieX	Date: November 21, 2003 @ 5:55 PM ^^^ this thread is still bein talked about?!? holy fuck lol but ya like woodhead said i dont even care ahaha cuz the more u guys keep whining about me the more i go up dont u notice? welllll eze out "dudes"
1vory	Date: November 22, 2003 @ 11:33 AM wow everybody is so serious. well, you know what they say, success breeds envy. Anyway, don't know how my name has been brought into this, but to justify it, my computer struggles- straight up. and sometimes dmusic fucks up as well, when you click and it doesn't work, you try it again. or you just get impatient and try clicking numerous times. i'm sure its happened to you at one point or another. but please, stop being so nit picky, and realize that the fact is, people Are listening to his music, whether you like it or not. I don't even know why someone would come into this forum saying how he Personally thinks chuckies music is bad, sorry to say you are just another person, with just another opinion that nobody really cares about. You act like your posts are going to slow his roll. If you or your brother or anyone want to make it in the industry you can't whine because people are ahead of you. You're acting like Benzino who always criticizes Eminem and look where that has gotten him; Em has more publicity, and Benzino is a nobody. Word of advice, jealous gets you nowhere. Anyways! Those are just my two pennies, nothing serious. Most of this is a joke anyways. Laterdayz
TameasDust	Date: November 22, 2003 @ 12:35 PM the times as listed by JuliesBroken as follows 25m 0s 1vory streamed "This Street Life" by "ChucKieXAkeNz". 25m 18s 1vory streamed "Lil Jay Ft. ChucKie - Thank You" by "ChucKieXAkeNz". 25m 28s LiLxLaOxChiK streamed "Ben - I just love you" by "R n Ben". 25m 32s LiLxLaOxChiK streamed "Ben - I just love you" by "R n Ben". 25m 44s Init1al-J streamed "Xanga Song" by "Init1al-J". 25m 50s 1vory streamed "Lil Jay Ft. ChucKie - Thank You" by "ChucKieXAkeNz". 26m 6s glynjedwards streamed "Metal for the masses" by "Glyn Edwards". 26m 14s glynjedwards streamed "Metal for the masses" by "Glyn Edwards". 26m 22s 1vory streamed "This Street Life" by "ChucKieXAkeNz". usually come about as a result of being on dialup and not connecting to said song ... seems to be a sad result of dialup, as i well know. I could go into all the generes and stream all the songs listed in the all setting and have it skip through every song listed and NEVER hear ONE of them ... Is there any way for the counter to be set that a song only counts if it is listened too for say ONE MINUTE ... cause they sometimes just do not connect and the artist gets a vote without the person listening to their music ever hearing it ... just a thought
GeneHilbert	Date: November 22, 2003 @ 1:02 PM You know - the lil' fuck is right.... Let's talk about someone else. woodhead.... how'd he get a woodhead? and which head is it? ashleighj... what's the dirt? TameasDust.... old bastard - what's up with that...? remember Soylent Green ? http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00009NHBM.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
woodhead	Date: November 22, 2003 @ 1:57 PM HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha to Genes post.
Malg	Date: November 22, 2003 @ 5:13 PM I heard woodhead's music is causing some huge contoversy in the Senate.
TameasDust	Date: November 22, 2003 @ 8:09 PM ahhhh yes Soylent Green ... a sad representation of the future where excess people were turned into food as per the soylent green and then fed to the population ... yum yum ... you think they woulda had many colours
Maffmatix	Date: November 22, 2003 @ 8:47 PM i dont care any more. all i care about is poop.
GeneHilbert	Date: November 23, 2003 @ 2:37 AM DislocatedBoner-poop........ it's one sad fuckin' day here people......
ChillinBuzz	Date: November 23, 2003 @ 2:38 AM then dont comment Chuck. enjoy the moment cos it wont last.
Maffmatix	Date: November 23, 2003 @ 3:07 AM Hey GeneHilbert go kill yourself loser.
Maffmatix	Date: November 23, 2003 @ 3:29 AM Woa.. rage. It's the in thing right now.
ChillinBuzz	Date: November 23, 2003 @ 3:33 AM iiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnn the red corner, weighing in at a massive 2000 lbs like yo mamma.... the beat with meat, the walls with balls, its daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Booooooooooooooonerrrrrrrrrr iiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnn the blue corner, weighing in at a breathtaking 5000 decibels, the guitar slayer, the original strummer from Hell, its GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENEEEEEEEEE HILLLLLLLLLLLBERRRRRRRRRRT lets geeeeeeeeeeeeet reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeady toooooooooooooo RRRRRRRRRRRRRRUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMBLE!!!!! all of you.
Dizeazed	Date: November 23, 2003 @ 4:05 AM HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAHHAHAHA Chill... Wadda we gonna do with you.... lol.
ChillinBuzz	Date: November 23, 2003 @ 4:53 AM i wanna REFEREE emoticon
djfacemachine	Date: November 23, 2003 @ 11:27 AM KY wrestling match.
ChillinBuzz	Date: November 23, 2003 @ 11:39 AM does that match include accessories???
Jesuszilla	Date: November 23, 2003 @ 11:43 AM Where I get my popcorn at?
Jennae	Date: November 23, 2003 @ 11:49 AM testosterone I tell ya
djfacemachine	Date: November 23, 2003 @ 11:56 AM relax and laugh a little. or maybe you just forgot what the emoticon was. hmm... look that up.
GeneHilbert	Date: November 23, 2003 @ 12:55 PM See that's exactly what happens when you give a child too much sugar............
fallfandave	Date: November 23, 2003 @ 1:41 PM i dont find the charts that good for finding music i'll like....dmusic bins all my stuff i think...haha....i would like to know what bands are playing post punk 80s stuff or 60s garage stuff....cos i like that....the rest i hate...haha
sween	Date: November 23, 2003 @ 1:55 PM I... erm... hear that sween is... erm... trying to... errrr... hack into dmusic and destroy it!!!! from anon... ...oh damn, forgot my name comes up... oh well... something to talk about hehehe
Maffmatix	Date: November 23, 2003 @ 2:46 PM ...I'd rather be a child then a limp old man.
Dizeazed	Date: November 23, 2003 @ 2:48 PM I'll second that!

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