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The thumbs down link needs to be gone.

KevBrock	Date: December 29, 2003 @ 6:11 PM It's annoying. I see no point of it being there. Users are just pushing the thumbs down button without bothering to listening to the songs. I know this because I keep an eye on the listening count. It's just idiotic.
milladrive	Date: December 29, 2003 @ 6:19 PM If we eliminate the thumbsdown link, then what's the point of the thumbsup link? Should we just eliminate the voting system? I've got a better idea. If artists notice a blatent across-the-board thumbsdown'ing, then they can privately contact an admin, who can then look into it and make appropriations.
withering	Date: December 29, 2003 @ 7:21 PM This has been mentioned several times elsewhere on this board, and I think Kev has a good point. Most of the more serious seek'n'listen-ers on this site only use the , if there is nothing good about a song you just assume it's probably someone elses cup of tea and move on. In any way, there is nothing constructive in just giving and not telling why! As a least measure, I think you should only be able to cast a negative vote accompanied with a comment. (A checkbox when commenting; This commentator has a Positive/Neutral/Negative attitude towards this song) The on the other hand makes the artist feel all good and jolly inside. Being able to say I liked this with a single click is a good thing. Often you have nothing more to say than Great or Kicks ass, and that can become somewhat repetitive after some time...
ashleighj	Date: December 29, 2003 @ 7:43 PM i had to dig through my old journals for a bit to find this, but here it goes.. i still feel the same way. March 31st, 2003 @ 7:47PM ya know, it really bites when someone comes along and gives your favourite song that you wrote a thumbs down on here.. and they never leave comments when they do. so i can only assume they didn't take me seriously when i said i sound like the bastard child of yoko ono and billy corgan. i do not delude myself into thinking i can sing worth a [profane word of your choice]. i don't delude myself with dreams of playing in a stadium full of people that worship me. all i know is that part of me has to write songs, and until i find someone to sing them for me, i have to do it myself so i can keep writing them. so anyhow, i don't expect the "thumbs down" people to understand all of that. they're people, and they know what they like and what they don't like. and sometimes they feel the need to say so. it doesn't really matter that they want to hide behind a little thumbs-down icon and not say anything to your face. because one day, when i have a band and i'm not singing and i'm playing at a small club show somewhere, some jerk is going to come up and tell us we suck. who knows, maybe that jerk will be right. and it doesn't matter, really. the bottom line is that you have to get used to people like that, because they're awfully plentiful in this world. and that's why i think dmusic shouldn't get rid of the "thumbs-down" like i've read in a suggestion in a forum somewhere. if anything, they should make it bigger.
RasMasta	Date: December 29, 2003 @ 7:53 PM Just ignore all your thumbs down
Maffmatix	Date: December 29, 2003 @ 7:56 PM yea who cares?
Sweats	Date: December 29, 2003 @ 9:19 PM How about making it so when you click the thumbs it makes you comment or something.
Arthen	Date: December 29, 2003 @ 9:26 PM how about if a user clicks a thumbdown and when the servers don't register any comments from that same user in the comment section; it activates a jolt of electricity of 5000 volts thru the cable wires and up to the keyboard of that person sitting at home?
onewhodreams	Date: December 29, 2003 @ 9:39 PM Sounds like a great idea to me Arthen Seriously though, I got a thumbsdown on one of my best songs with no comment and it sort of bummed me out, but really we shouldn't let it bother us. Art is art and only certain people will like your songs, and if they don't, well then that's their opinion and the many good comments make up for theirs anyway.
Pagan	Date: December 30, 2003 @ 3:43 PM I just get a kick out of this "we should censor what we dont like" attitude that started this thread. I see way to much of it. people, if you take away others rights to express themselves, you sacrifice your own as well. its one thing to say you dont like something, thats your right, but its another to say that no one should have it if you dont see a use for it. thats selfish and narrow-minded. and its not just you kev. the last time jennae left it was because she thought something should be censored.
KevBrock	Date: December 30, 2003 @ 4:14 PM "I see way to much of it. people, if you take away others rights to express themselves, you sacrifice your own as well." Well, I agree with that but to be honest, the ironic thing of that statement, remember the argument about the Christmas IBOB thing? I simply agreed with leflaw on the contest is fake and everyone got pissed at me for expressing an opinion about it. Since this is a community message board, I have every right to express opinions however I like. Just like you all have the freedom to express negative opinions on our music. If you all get to express honest opinions on our music, then I get to the same to whatever I feel in the forums. Everyone got pissed off and left dmusic only because of that Christmas IBOB thing, oh please, people act like it's the end of the world over that argument and it's not that big of a deal. Which gives me a huge headache. You don't see people leaving because of their music getting bashed on. See the double standard? We have every right to express negative opinions in forums just like you have every right to express negative opinions in our music. So don't go whining and getting upset at me and leflaw for expressing our opinions on the IBOB thing. If you're all upset over that damn IBOB argument (still people here didn't get over it yet), then don't be telling us to ignore negative opinions on our music either. Because I don't see you ignoring that argument in Christmas IBOB thing when it can be simply ignored. That is my 2cents. But anyways, I agree with you all about the commenting thing on the thumbs down option. If we're gonig to get a bunch of thumbs down, at least tell us why, so we can improve our music, we'll understand.
ashleighj	Date: December 30, 2003 @ 4:52 PM "I simply agreed with leflaw on the contest is fake and everyone got pissed at me for expressing an opinion about it." no, the handful of people who got pissed off at you were pissed off because you suddenly changed your opinion in an effort to insert yourself into an argument. it _really_ gave the appearance that you're desperately seeking attention in any way you can get it, even if it's negative. i'd even go so far to say that it appeared like you _wanted_ people to have an argument with you at the centre of it, and then got sorely disappointed that you had to take fourth place (at best) to the issue, leflaw, and jennae. don't be a ambulance chaser. "If you're all upset over that damn IBOB argument (still people here didn't get over it yet)" it hadn't been even mentioned in this thread -- YOU'RE the one who doesn't want to let go of it! "Since this is a community message board, I have every right to express opinions however I like." oh no, no, no.. you see, "freedom of speech" applies to what the _government_ can and cannot restrict. dmusic is privately owned, and its owner may impose whatever rules he sees fit, as these message boards constitute his personal property which he is kind enough to share with the rest of us, either free or for a fee. i own a notebook. i might let people write things in it from time to time, but no one has any RIGHT to write whatever the hell they like in it. and if i don't like what they write, i'll rip the page out and never let them touch it again. it's _my_ notebook, after all. the analogy is obvious. but since you believe we have the right to say whatever we feel like here, i thought i'd go ahead and call your shit on this one. strangely, i remember some guy writing all kinds of negative stuff on your page, and you were totally in favour of having it erased as it violated the terms of service.. didn't that guy have the same Right To Express His Opinions However He Likes that you think you do? enough ranting. it's really not my place to be the one doing it. i hope you see the point. --aj
Pagan	Date: December 30, 2003 @ 5:57 PM A-fuckin-men ash! couldnt have ranted better myself.
cryo-e	Date: December 30, 2003 @ 5:58 PM what aj said
Cryxan	Date: December 30, 2003 @ 6:02 PM Ash... excellent summation of a lot of issues.
gcnmarcus	Date: December 30, 2003 @ 6:08 PM I agree with the original poster. I don't use the thumbs up or down, I post my picks in my journal. Those are my hands up!!! Plus I don't like being tracked in the manner dmusic has it set up. If they read my journal and use that info, go for it.
withering	Date: December 30, 2003 @ 6:24 PM Just what are we discussing here really? We have this feature called thumbsdown. It's useless and it's being misused. Nobody's come up with any good reason for it to exist other than letting people getting accustomed to the real world... And suddenly people rant about freedom of speak, santa and whatnot... kind of amusing in a bizarre way
Distilled1	Date: December 30, 2003 @ 6:42 PM "As a least measure, I think you should only be able to cast a negative vote accompanied with a comment. (A checkbox when commenting; This commentator has a Positive/Neutral/Negative attitude towards this song)" Great idea but... problome is still there; I leave a (_) coment and can still give a and sure they suck;( and get you down, but you know what?sometimes it will make you take a harder look at what you have up for others to listen to and try harder the next song... maybe I'm a freak I don't know
ashleighj	Date: December 30, 2003 @ 6:54 PM ofwitheringashes -- if you don't know why i was ranting, please don't worry yourself with it.. you're much better off. thumbs-up and thumbs-down are like ying and yang. balance. harmony. if we only had thumbs-up, all that means is that a certain number of people liked the song enough to click the button. but with the thumbs-down, you can see balance. say 10 people liked it and clicked thumbs-up. are those 10 more significant alone, with 1 thumbs-down, or with 30 thumbs-down? sure, it's not a perfect system. there's no such thing. and even if they did get rid of thumbs-down, the people who just want to express their dislike of you and/or your music will find other ways to do so. and maybe that's the best thing of all.. those who feel the need to show their.. disappreciation, let's say.. of you or your songs get to do so, and it's relegated to a tiny little number instead of a big fuss.
milladrive	Date: December 30, 2003 @ 7:41 PM Ash, to your post above this last one, I say thank you. I was just about to... oh, well, nevermind now. I couldn't've said it better. And thanx for the "balance" comment. I was gonna make that one last night (alluding to the "negativity" thread), but thought better of it. I like Arthen's idea. ...Actually, there's been talk recently about a "rating" system for tracks, not too dissimilar to the user rating thing. How 'bout sumpm like that?
ashleighj	Date: December 30, 2003 @ 8:15 PM oooh, a way to rate songs could be a good idea. still, those of us who avoid using the thumbs-down button probably wouldn't rate a song at all if we felt like it deserved less than 3 stars out of 5. so i don't know if it would be a lot of effort for little difference or not... but i still like the idea. what would be _really_ useful is if a user couldn't give a rating or a thumbs-up-or-down unless that user has streamed or downloaded the song within the past 20 minutes or something. but i imagine that would be a nightmare to code. and it wouldn't stop people from abusing the feature if they're stubborn enough, but still, i think people would feel better about it that way. as for the other thing.. someone had to say it.
CrumpetCakes	Date: December 30, 2003 @ 9:29 PM I would think a "thumbs up" would be just as bad if someone wasn't even listening to your songs? I hope you don't go to stars as one of the other boards I visit has that and it seems that only the good ole boys from the special men's club gets the 6 stars whether their work is sheot or not! Any "newbie" automatically gets the 1 star treatment. There are so many reasons that someone could give you the 1 star treatment...having a bad day, not liking the genre or just being an ars.
CrumpetCakes	Date: December 30, 2003 @ 9:29 PM I would think a "thumbs up" would be just as bad if someone wasn't even listening to your songs? I hope you don't go to stars as one of the other boards I visit has that and it seems that only the good ole boys from the special men's club gets the 5 stars whether their work is sheot or not! Any "newbie" automatically gets the 1 star treatment. There are so many reasons that someone could give you the 1 star treatment...having a bad day, not liking the genre or just being an ars.
CrumpetCakes	Date: December 30, 2003 @ 9:31 PM Now...editing and deleting your posts....that would be a good idea! LOL
milladrive	Date: December 30, 2003 @ 11:13 PM What if it were to be a four-star system to "represent" terms like (from bottom to top) "fair," "good," "very good," and "excellent" (F, G, VG, E), in which case even one star would indicate some positive vibes? Along with this could be a "total vote count" perhaps. Just thinkin' out loud.
Dizeazed	Date: December 30, 2003 @ 11:24 PM No... not really Millaman... Because the problem that Kev was stating in the first place was "false voting"... so the person that was being "falsely voted" upon, would still be given a "false" "fair" (since that would be the lowest ranking)... I'll admit that it would still sound nice, and you would still be getting a "star" so it would be more positive then seeing a ... but people would react the same way, knowing that, a "fair" vote would be the lowest "rank" so-to-say. I dunno...
CrescentShadow	Date: December 31, 2003 @ 12:08 AM i think its best to have if you vote, you have to put a comment.. and beside the comment it would show their vote or something.
ashleighj	Date: December 31, 2003 @ 12:28 AM you know, no matter what changes (if any) are made, not everyone will be happy with it and there will still be some way for people to be rude. therefore, i recommend that all thumbs-up, thumbs-down, song ratings, comments, hi-fi streams, lo-fi streams, downloads, lyrics, bios, band members, and titles be removed. nah.. someone would still find a way to abuse the system. let's not bother with all that.
sinai	Date: December 31, 2003 @ 12:52 AM never worried much about it myself, if someone thinks it sux then that's their cup of tea, you're never gonna please everyone in the world...ain't a band yet thats sold 6 billion records
johnnygnote	Date: December 31, 2003 @ 3:16 AM What if someone comes along and streams a song and some time later as another persona, comes back and thumbs down/up or comments. Not everyone has only one persona on this site. I'm not saying that all that hit and run aren't creating havoc with the up/down thing, just that you can't assume that no one listened just because a thumbsdown appears with no stream. Now, Ash has a good Idea perhaps there may be a way to make the tU/D inactive until a stream has occured this may help with the situation. Another thing, I know that people occasionaly stray from the thread theme, but it doesn't help to open wounds from other threads, that have been deleted and closed. That's only asking for trouble and doesn't help what ever cause you may be asking for help with or complaining about. A persons right to opinion is necessary in the world of music. After 40 years of being in it, if I couldn't handle honest criticism or the fact that someone may not like me or my music, then I should have never gotten in it. If you put yourself out there on the stage no matter if it's real or virtual, you automaticly become a target, some people will simply put you down because of the way you look. It's the bitter truth about the world of "entertainment". If you can't stand the heat, get out of the fire. I've had my share of put downs and strokes . I use to get hurt by the fact that people didn't like me , until I learned to just focus on the people who did . That's just the simple truth of it and my. Now as far as rating, one of the radio stations I listen to on line ( http://www.wholewheatradio.org ) has a great rating system for thier registered listeners. There is a drawdown box with Favorite Excellent Pretty Good Not my cup of tea Please remove There is also the choice to show your name or not if you want, by checking a box when you chose your rating.
johnnygnote	Date: December 31, 2003 @ 3:18 AM Oh yeah maybe we could make it so musicians can clear thier T U/D if they want to. Maybe that's cause for Musician dishonesty about ratings, just another thought.
withering	Date: December 31, 2003 @ 5:31 AM ash - unfortunately I do know very well why you're ranting - but I prefer to be in denial But I agree that harmony is good.
victorsskull	Date: December 31, 2003 @ 10:54 AM who cares! big deal! not every one is gonna like your song so get over it. we all get thumbs down once and a while.
johnnygnote	Date: December 31, 2003 @ 2:09 PM VS Your attitude is straight a head cool and to the point
YaBoyDrew	Date: December 31, 2003 @ 5:34 PM i think it definitly needs to stay but i think the only way you should be able to choose thumbs up or down is by leaving a comment 1st. this would reduce people just pressing thumbs down thank u thank u lol
invocati	Date: December 31, 2003 @ 5:40 PM It can be a problem if someone is just lashing out at you.
victorsskull	Date: December 31, 2003 @ 6:19 PM yep I agree yaboydrew
TameasDust	Date: December 31, 2003 @ 6:32 PM Let the thumbs stay ... iffin I had to comment every time I voted it would take me hours ... dialup is dannng slow
milladrive	Date: December 31, 2003 @ 6:34 PM Indeed, Tameas. Folks, the anonimity is key. Like I've said, if there's blatent malice goin' on, tell me.
Slurgi	Date: January 1, 2004 @ 2:33 AM I agree with what ash said about the 'yin and yang' stuff. Getting a thumbs up isnt rewarding unless there's at least an OPTION for a thumbs down. Random thumbs-downing or thumbs-downing because you dont like someone, or someone thumbs-downed you is rediculous, but how would one go about stopping it? I've given maybe 2 thumbs-down at most of all the times i've been here at dmusic, and believe me, i thought that they were necessary. I dont see it as that big a deal, anyway. So someone doesnt like your music, is it the end of the world?
CrescentShadow	Date: January 1, 2004 @ 5:05 PM but the thing is, at least half of the time people mindlessly thumbsdown you for no reason, even without listening to your music. if people are going to thumbsdown or thumbsup, they should supply a reason
Pagan	Date: January 1, 2004 @ 11:03 PM how bout just giving 6 choices, Great! wonderfull! amazing! fantastic! glorius!! and "I SAW GOD WHEN I HEARD YOUR TUNE!! BIG SMILES EVERYONE!!!!! you see.....smiles make the truth go 'way
Gatherer	Date: January 1, 2004 @ 11:12 PM
milladrive	Date: January 1, 2004 @ 11:22 PM @Pagan
Pagan	Date: January 1, 2004 @ 11:24 PM you mean WITH Pagan. right?
milladrive	Date: January 1, 2004 @ 11:26 PM Wellllll... not normally, but yeah, I guess so here.
TameasDust	Date: January 2, 2004 @ 12:42 AM people have reason ??? have you read the forums lately ... huh huh j/k
victorsskull	Date: January 2, 2004 @ 12:43 AM fuck the thumbs who needs thumbs any ways oops I dropped my soda again
TameasDust	Date: January 2, 2004 @ 12:48 AM pagan
Pagan	Date: January 2, 2004 @ 12:36 PM lol vic
MickeyBreezy	Date: January 2, 2004 @ 1:16 PM vic, listen when some1 gives u a thumbs down give them 2 of these up
RonKauffman	Date: January 2, 2004 @ 3:46 PM "how about if a user clicks a thumbdown and when the servers don't register any comments from that same user in the comment section; it activates a jolt of electricity of 5000 volts thru the cable wires and up to the keyboard of that person sitting at home?"
MickeyBreezy	Date: January 2, 2004 @ 3:58 PM um no
RonKauffman	Date: January 2, 2004 @ 7:13 PM Thats a quote from someone else SnomaN6453. I thought it was
Jesuszilla	Date: January 5, 2004 @ 7:49 AM Thumbs down/up is useless because it's no indicator of whether a song is good or bad. I think it should go.
TameasDust	Date: January 5, 2004 @ 8:21 AM oh party pooper
BrokenPin	Date: January 5, 2004 @ 3:07 PM Yeah, it's dumb People put thumbs down w/o listening, but I deal with it. I think if people would stop being assholes then the problem would be solved...not a bad suggestion, though
Pagan	Date: January 5, 2004 @ 5:13 PM well kev you can just re-upload all your songs and say they are re-masters. that will get rid of all the comments and thumbs downs.....oh i see you have already done that.
johnnygnote	Date: January 5, 2004 @ 5:17 PM BP nice thought but it seems some people will always be AH's and actually make a job of it. Just reading some of the forums lately has convinced me of that. VS, SM, RK
Cryxan	Date: January 6, 2004 @ 5:25 AM lol, Pagan
pmscpc	Date: January 7, 2004 @ 5:15 AM If there is a thumbsup, there needs to be a thumbsdown - if I like track, I couldn't give a shit wether anyone else likes it or not. I can easily proove this with my record collection. I saw a TV prog about US beauty pagents where no one "lost", and yet one kid was clearly ugly as fuck. Sure, the ugly kid thought she was almost as beautiful as the real winner, but dellusion is not helpful for anyone. If you feel lasting pain when some stranger says something that contradicts your own perfect self image, then you need help. Badly.
RockyStallone	Date: January 11, 2004 @ 1:45 AM Agreed! Kev's music is more gooder than that and if they dont like the song they shouldn't vote. If they say something bad that is flamming and the site admins will take care of it. Thanks for reading!!!
Thaspian	Date: January 11, 2004 @ 1:53 AM Yet again... @ RockyStallone. You're really crackin' me up tonight. Maybe it's just YOUR music that gets so many thumbs down... and I do believe there's reason for that.
IHateF00ley	Date: January 11, 2004 @ 3:52 PM No Kev's music is heartfelt that he is working on for much time and he just comes here for fun to have good votes of listening people. He shouldn't have to put up with these immature kids who just say bad things because that is flamming and it shows they are immature and can't just be nice. They take messageboarding to seriously and they should be reported for insulting others by saying something that isn't as good as it is like Kev's music that he worked hard to on make.
redrasta	Date: January 11, 2004 @ 8:16 PM Quietly wonders just how many accounts Kev has......and where these sudden loyal fans of his came from...... People should be "reported for insulting others by saying it isnt as good as it is"?? Erm....if ya dont like it, tough! Not everyone is gonna like all the shit out there, so please...stop being such an 'immature kid' yourself, and get over it. If people dont like your music, SO WHAT? Its not an insult unless you really think the music industry is looking up its own ass instead of signing you up! How conceited can ya get!!Sheesh!!
Jizzmaster-0	Date: January 12, 2004 @ 9:19 AM If you give me a thumbs down on one of my songs, I say "THANKYOU!" Thankyou for being honest. Not everyone is going to like my music and I know that. If everyone pretended to like my music I would be lost in this world.
cryo-e	Date: January 12, 2004 @ 10:26 AM If I could understand 1/2 of what you've written Kev.... and if u r going to have multiple accounts, try not to make the same flamming mistakes in posts
TameasDust	Date: January 12, 2004 @ 10:57 AM you know they probably don't count the thumbs down anyway ... i have seen songs on the top 20 that have more thumbs down than thumbs up ... I wonder if a thumbs down makes people curious about a song and listen to it more than one that has all thumbs up ... people are strange
effergy	Date: January 12, 2004 @ 11:44 AM i say, forget the thumbs down, if you dont like an artist, sing about em! thats what iv done in our latest track entitled JFF is shit! go check it out, comments appreciated! hehe
effergy	Date: January 12, 2004 @ 11:49 AM in all seriousness tho, i think the voting is good, u cant have a thumb up without a thumb down, would be pointless otherwise, kinda like going to work and being asked to choose what brand of coffee you want in the canteen and being given a choice of one! i guess some ppl get thumbs down for being annoying which in turn annoys them!
Larree	Date: January 12, 2004 @ 11:50 AM Who hasn't LOVED an album or a movie that got crappy reviews? People who choose not to listen based on the thumbs don't matter anyway.

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