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Emoceon	Date: January 13, 2004 @ 9:07 PM YOU ALL ARE BEING REALLY PITIFUL STREAMING YOUR OWN SONGS SO THEY WILL CLIMB UP THE CHARTS...HOW DO YOU FEEL GOOD IF THE ALL THE NUMBERS THAT ARE ON YOUR STATISTICS IS BECAUSE OF YOU...AND ONLY YOU THATS PITIFUL!!! AND IM NOT GOING TO POINT ANY FINGERS AT ANYONE... BUT ONE PERSON WHO DOES THAT RYHMES WITH......DIME-EMANCIPATION.........
ashleighj	Date: January 13, 2004 @ 9:09 PM they're too busy streaming their songs to notice us screaming about them here. sorry.
Emoceon	Date: January 13, 2004 @ 9:10 PM obviously, its just sad what they do.....i work hard to make my songs good....and they aren't in there right chart spots because of these people.........ARRRGHHHHHHH!!! so angry!!
rhyme416	Date: January 13, 2004 @ 9:19 PM Haha Ah the truth comes out huh Emoceon... You're the only one on the WHOLE site that works hard on their music, so anybody else more successful then you on the charts is obviously listening to their own music thousands of times a day and thus robbing you of your sole position at the top of the charts right? Man, you're a joke... accept that not everything goes the way you want it in life, try payin' some dues and building a fan base and people might just bother to listen to your music...
rhyme416	Date: January 13, 2004 @ 9:34 PM Man I just noticed... this Emoceon goof only been a member of the site since "January 11th 2004" and he on here complaining ah ready...
Autophage	Date: January 13, 2004 @ 10:23 PM I can't help it I'm just so good I can't stand to go without listening to my music! .. .. .. Oh, wait, nevermind, I'm not that good and I have copies of the mp3s on my harddrive anyway.
sinai	Date: January 13, 2004 @ 10:33 PM not to mention stacks of cds nobody wants
TameasDust	Date: January 13, 2004 @ 10:44 PM well stream your own songs too ... it is a way to promote them
figfarmer	Date: January 13, 2004 @ 11:48 PM He he. This is funny. This is exactly why no one pays any attention to the charts on any internet music site. On sound click they even have a consortium of people who do it mutually called Lost Gold Records.
musicpicks	Date: January 14, 2004 @ 12:48 AM If you download the tracks, how can the songs "climb the charts"? There is rhyme and reason to streaming.
Cryxan	Date: January 14, 2004 @ 4:41 AM Hi Emoceon! The system that currently runs the charts will soon be completely rewritten so that they actually represent popularity in a fair way. The music section will also become more browsable and searchable. Patience.
starseven	Date: January 14, 2004 @ 8:05 AM wow.... i always forget there even are charts.....it;s amazing peopel are really that lame to stream their own music.... Losers... lol S7
Jesuszilla	Date: January 14, 2004 @ 10:56 AM I've got this amazing thing where, right, what I do is, right, I go on the chart and listen to music, left.
Svensta	Date: January 14, 2004 @ 10:58 AM Thankfully when the new system is in place, we will not have to worry about the 'horror' of self-streamers. But fear not, there will always be plenty to fill the complains forum with!
rhyme416	Date: January 14, 2004 @ 11:15 AM Is anybody acctually pityful enough to stream their own songs hundreds of times a day from their own computer? Cause I highly doubt the few that listen to their handful of tracks once a day is affecting anything...
ashleighj	Date: January 14, 2004 @ 11:21 AM don't be silly.. they just press the "repeat" button in their mp3 players and walk away.
rhyme416	Date: January 14, 2004 @ 11:37 AM Never thought of that... but doesn't Dmusic have coding that recognizes IP addresses? like there should be a program that only counts one stream per day per IP address... most music stream sites I've been on do that to curb people from abuse and I'm suprised the same system isn't implemented here...
figfarmer	Date: January 14, 2004 @ 12:28 PM There are places that do recognise IP addresses. The people on those sites sign off, sign back on and presto, they have a different IP address. While they're at it they listen to their buddy's songs, knowing because they're part of an idiot mutual admiration society that their buddies are doing the same thing.
figfarmer	Date: January 14, 2004 @ 1:40 PM Just to show how far out fudging the numbers to make your songs look better can get, here are links to a few articles. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Primetime/Entertainment/music_row_031110.html http://www.patiopundit.com/archives/001686.html http://www.dirtywater.com/museum/original/chapter5.html
trillcitypoet	Date: January 14, 2004 @ 5:16 PM cbf says : "those who stream thee own music, has only one fan"
fu-dog	Date: January 14, 2004 @ 5:28 PM We do track IP addresses for song clicks. This is part of a lot of the changes i made back in September regarding song statistics. This is why the little red numbers have gone away on artist pages. That data was completely inaccurate, and we had no history of where those numbers came from. Now the site tracks IP address, userid, amount of song downloaded, location on site where it was clicked, time it was clicked, time the song streaming ended... all good stuff. When more data has accrued the charts will be altered to reflect these less "random" numbers. Folks that listen to their own music will not be counted towards chart positions. There are a couple other things that will help to make the charts more representative, but i'm not going to give them all away because then it's easier to work around the system put in place. What i can tell you is that no charting system is perfect, in a magazine or on the internet.
trillcitypoet	Date: January 14, 2004 @ 5:29 PM i agree fu.
TameasDust	Date: January 14, 2004 @ 5:59 PM two fans are better .. specially on hot days
figfarmer	Date: January 14, 2004 @ 5:59 PM That's a try fu-dog, but like I was saying, there are these mutual admiration societies that are too happy to help each other out. When you get fifty of them in a group and they each stream the others' songs every day it still gives the fifty chart domination and the ability to poke whichever one they like to the top.
ashleighj	Date: January 14, 2004 @ 6:11 PM then just do like the rest of us and start listening from the #60 song or so. cheers to fu for doing the best anyone can, but when people get stubborn, there's nothing you can do.
sinai	Date: January 14, 2004 @ 6:14 PM i second that! the bin is your friend!
Veracohr	Date: January 14, 2004 @ 6:19 PM You know, so many people have complained about this since I've been here, and the self-streaming hasn't slowed, so there's really no point in complaining.
figfarmer	Date: January 14, 2004 @ 7:05 PM You're right. And I doubt that there'll ever be a sure fire way to change it. Places like this are a good place to store songs so other folks can download them and they are a nice place to chat with like minded people, and a few idiots too, but no one will ever trust their charts.
Bill43	Date: January 15, 2004 @ 12:57 AM Hey everybody... I'm so glad to be back! Anyway... the self streaming thing seems to have always been a thorn in someone's side here and, from the looks of it, Fu is working it out. The changes that have been made since I've been unable to come here are simply amazing and I can only imagine of the things that are going to happen in the future! I've always been told by the "older" artists here, that the charts are meaningless and not to pay too much attention to them... but I can understand your frustrations. I wonder what the top 20 will look like when the new charting system goes into effect? What if there isn't a "big" change and they stay relatively the same? For me, I wont let it bother me. I've only "charted" in the front page top 20 a few times and it was only for a very short time. I watch my songs go up and down in the genre charts and the picks. Even though I may look, just out of curiosity, I'm only here to share my hobby, to listen to other's music (hopefully I'll get a little inspiration from them)and for the "family" of the other people here. There really isn't another site like DM. I love it here and probably always will.
redrasta	Date: January 15, 2004 @ 1:00 AM UM....... Hands up if the only reason you are here is to top the DM charts...... As far as I'm concerned, I rarely if ever look at the chart, and I tend to listen to tunes from people that interest me in the forums.
Bill43	Date: January 15, 2004 @ 1:24 AM Huh? What's hands up mean? Getting old sucks. I listen to most anything I can find. I go on a search for music that I like and I also watch my shoutbox for any "news". As far as topping the charts? Not with my tunes. I'm okay, but there's a boatload of people with more talent than I'll ever have... right here on DM. I just enjoy my hobby.... that's all.
sepidman	Date: January 15, 2004 @ 1:28 AM Damn!! Now I will never get to be number 1..... There goes the big DM royalty cheque!!
Cryxan	Date: January 15, 2004 @ 4:03 AM "hands up" as in "raise your hand if"
Svensta	Date: January 15, 2004 @ 8:17 AM or maybe as in 'hands up this is a robbery'
milladrive	Date: January 15, 2004 @ 2:46 PM Hands up.. Baby, hands up.. Gimme your love, gimme gimme your love gimme gimme..
mawcs	Date: January 15, 2004 @ 2:54 PM my I self stream every one of my songs after I upload, just to make sure its working. I hope that don't bug ya I try to find the "bottom" of the stack and start listening there. There seems to be better stuff at the bottom anyway. And this brings up an enhancement request. Could we get a "last" link that will take us to the end of the picks or bin? You know "First", "Prev 20", "Next 20", and "Last"? I admire your work Fu. I've been a pro Web guy and I know it's tough work. You're doing a great job.
myzteryandsneek	Date: January 15, 2004 @ 5:15 PM I stream my own songs sometimes not yet here though. whatever it takes to get your name noticed , I think it goes by unique listeners though, right?
TameasDust	Date: January 15, 2004 @ 6:12 PM I wish more people would self stream to make sure their songs work ... there are some on the top 20 that don't work at all
Bill43	Date: January 15, 2004 @ 9:24 PM In my best Homer impression "DOH"!
Woof	Date: January 16, 2004 @ 3:56 AM Originally posted by redrasta: "As far as I'm concerned, I rarely if ever look at the chart, and I tend to listen to tunes from people that interest me in the forums." BINGO! Gets my "common sense award" for the night! And from there, check the comments... I mean, the bands that are leaving 'em... and you find more of the good stuff. This IS supposed to be a community, after all... All The Best, Mike.
redrasta	Date: January 16, 2004 @ 11:38 PM looks all proud! See!I DO have a brain....and sometimes, it even WORKS!!
robblaikie	Date: January 17, 2004 @ 5:02 AM If I want to listen to my own music I'll listen to .WAV files - noy MP3 files. The only time I stream my own music on this site is to check if my music has uploaded ok. I've had instances in the past were an MP3 encoder has converted a .wav file to silence. It pays to check your files after they are uploaded.
Jesuszilla	Date: January 17, 2004 @ 9:32 AM I stream my music to annoy other people.
geetarman	Date: January 17, 2004 @ 1:07 PM 3 thoughts: I stream, therefore I am. don't eat the yellow stream snow! row, row row your boat life is but a stream...
Distilled1	Date: March 11, 2004 @ 7:49 PM
pog	Date: March 11, 2004 @ 8:09 PM What is particularly good imho is the fact that this place has such an active community that self streamers are actually being noticed. I think that maybe a report a self streamer/dodgy monopolisers could help, however the fact that users kick up about it tells me that a good system is already in place... i.e. most people hate a self streamer, so thay have no credibility in our eyes. They will get bored as no one new is interacting with them and eventually die away. so I say screw em
TameasDust	Date: March 12, 2004 @ 12:21 AM ok ... at least this time I don't get nominated for being the one with the shovel
pog	Date: March 12, 2004 @ 8:53 AM
Etheracide	Date: March 12, 2004 @ 8:54 AM I used to check roughly around the midpoint of my tenure on this site to this point and we never even came close to appearing within the first 20 pages of our genre so I gave up looking the charts over at all. And then no one listened to any of our songs (even ourselves) so I don't bother looking at the charts now either. If I ever stream one of our own songs which I've uploaded, it is merely to get an idea of how the song sounds when it is streamed. But that would be one time and I usually do not even bother taking the time for the most part. I agree with Pog.... When the system changes, I am sure that they will think of another way to get their own songs to climb up the charts aside from actually getting OTHER people to listen to them.
TameasDust	Date: March 12, 2004 @ 10:11 AM actually Starseven I tried to stream your music and I got an error ... whereas all others worked ... maybe streaming your own music once in a while to see if it works is not a bad thing
Distilled1	Date: March 12, 2004 @ 3:22 PM I dug it up as I was watching someone streem all of thier songs on thier page over and over every hour or so Not that I care its just so stupid (and by the way they are all covers)and not so good at that the person needs to listen to some other music or they will never grow and learn I gave up on the charts befor I got here
attapulgite	Date: March 12, 2004 @ 6:29 PM Duh... is this epicurious?
shinkaide	Date: March 12, 2004 @ 6:30 PM Attapulgite: you are a moron.
shinkaide	Date: March 12, 2004 @ 6:30 PM Attapulgite: you are a moron.
zxilton	Date: March 12, 2004 @ 6:40 PM Yes this streaming your own songs biz has gotta stop. Its almost like the RIAA here sometimes. I won;t mention any particular genre here, but when you go to the Rock section..doesn't anyone notice something a bit strange? Now the band that seems to be dominating the charts there (I won't mention any names..its pretty obvious)have an usual amount of songs on the top 20 every day. I have no problem agreeing that they are a talented group of individuals...but come on I'm sure that everyone who is a Rock fan is not choosing to listen to that one particular band that much. There are tons of others here too ya know. Don;t be so darn greedy. I am not saying i am any more talented than anyone else or my songs are any better..but guys..most of your songs sound the same and there is just no way that the 1000's of rock fans coming to Dmusic are listenig to your stuff that much. You are abusing this website and its concept. Stop it please..it is so RIAA of you. I wasn't gonna say anything but its starting to look a little suspicious ta me.
Woof	Date: March 13, 2004 @ 4:42 AM Well... I have an idea on this... which, as fu-dog said, might be too sensitive to broadcast, but I'm sending him a private mesage... I'm no genius, but it might work... and has nothing to do with streaming... so there!
zxilton	Date: March 13, 2004 @ 6:51 AM I just want to say again..if it is because people honestly are liking the tunes that much that they are staying on the top 20..then i whole heartedly apologize. I am not trying to take anything away from anyones music ability. It's just that ever since I've joined dmusic I've been watching the top 20 charts alot so that I can check some new material. With all the great music here..I find it a little odd that one band is there constantly dominating the charts. If I were a moderator here I'd be looking into it and sending warnings to any artist who wasn't playing fair. I'm not picking on them...if it were someone else I'd say the same thing.
leerees	Date: March 14, 2004 @ 1:21 PM charts do not work. forget them, what works is fans, if you have people that like your music they will listen to it regardless of what position it is in the charts. I dont do anything to promote my music on here so im probably not even in the charts but my page has had comments and i try and comment on other peoples music if they comment on mine. ive actually found a few artists that i like just by doing this. what you should be doing is joining communities for your music genre, for example i make uk garage music so i visit communities where people talk about this genre and post my songs up as do other producers. The DJ's like it aswell as most DJ's like to get new tunes before anybody else. FORGET THE CHARTS!!!
robbydadrummer	Date: March 14, 2004 @ 5:11 PM Damn, I'm gone for 3 days and everyone is still yapping about the charts... they are useless, so ignore them!
ronnie71	Date: March 21, 2004 @ 4:44 AM also dont forget boys and girls that DMusic you dont have to be a member to listen to someones music. Lets say someone listens to our song and is not a member it will say ronnie71 streamed that song but in fact it was someone who is either not a member or not logged in.. thank you and goodnite
djatari	Date: April 2, 2004 @ 3:51 PM =) I'll make it so you can't add a listen to yourself.
robbydadrummer	Date: April 2, 2004 @ 4:22 PM Ah, this will help... although users can still get friends to do it for them. Nice to see another DMusic web person here.
DevonPowell	Date: April 2, 2004 @ 6:23 PM Reasons to stream your own song: 1. You're on a comp that isn't yours (say, your Mum's) and you want her to hear it. 2. You're on another comp all-together, with some frickin' kewl soundsystem and you want to hear how it sounds since you listen thru digital HP on your own system. 3. You're a cheating basterd CHEATER CHEATER CHEATER..o, sorry. j/k 4. You're on yet ANOTHER comp (friggin comps) and want your buddies to check out your tunes, cuz u know the only way they ever will is if you do it for them and b/c you're too cheap to burn a CD for them and they're too frickin' STUPID to figure out how to stream it themselves. 5. Really, who cares? 6. You're at school on your laptop and in the middle of a lecture class you decide to blare your latest anthem to impress the chicks. Since you don't have the tunes on a disc (see #4) and you didn't copy the tunes to the laptop HD (lazy basterd), stream on (wireless, too=) 7. You're on vacation in Florida when suddenly a major producer sees you banging away on your git on the beach, loves your stuff and needs to hear it straight away! You tell him you would log in and stream some stuff you've recorded straight away off of DM, but if you did you'd get yelled at for being a CHEATING BASTERD and flogged. You lose your chance at stardom and become disillusioned with life...moving to tibet to live as a monk. 8. WTF was that #7 about, EH?! 9. Does anyone REALLY REALLY care? 10. You like seeing your name at the top of the top 20 listens because it makes u feel the positive stroke-age, and you don't care if you ARE a cheating basterd!!!!!!!! Sorry...that was all meant to be funneh. If I made light of a serious subject I apologize. I suppose there's a part of me that thinks that there's nothing wrong with streaming your own music, as the point is to share it with others, here. If that's what makes you happy/gets you noticed/whatever...then hey, do what you gotta DO! I'm off to Tibet to shave my head...
djatari	Date: April 2, 2004 @ 11:02 PM people will be able to stream their own music. they just won't get a count for it when it's them. And of course there will always be lame asses who get their friends to stream their songs. The funny thing is.. everyone at dmusic, and everyone ON dmusic knows who these fools are, and they're not taken seriously because of just that. They are fools. I'm working at dmusic because I believe in independent music, and I believe in creating a platform for independent artists to flourish and promote. Not to allow some lam3r promote his half-ass tracks. You can lead a horse to water, but 99% of the time, if the water is bad, they'll just resent you for sending them there in the first place. heh. which is funny.. because ultimately, these people are making their art suffer through their self-induced ego inflation.
leflaw	Date: April 3, 2004 @ 7:46 AM Some people can't pass a mirror without looking at it. Some musicians can't pass a chart without trying to climb it.
Rodrica	Date: April 3, 2004 @ 1:14 PM Don't know about you lot, but once I've originated, arranged, produced and mixed my own songs...I'm usually sick of the sound of them coz I've had to listen to them loads of times by that stage!!...there's no way I'd be tempted to self-stream...it would send me nutz!!
ebarbarella	Date: April 3, 2004 @ 1:38 PM @ Rodrica ... I just self stream too... I ll do it some time to time but that we should celebrate that the ones who do it with the intention to "climb the charts" "they just won't get a count for it when it's them" and thats dmusic!
YaBoyDrew	Date: April 4, 2004 @ 9:42 AM yea im with rhyme416 on this.
Maffmatix	Date: April 4, 2004 @ 10:40 PM Wow that's one huge cluster-fuck of emoticons. Anyways- yes this chart hogging crap is mad annoying, but how is "Eminem - Power 92.3 Freestyle" on here? It was top listened? Hmmm.
djatari	Date: April 5, 2004 @ 8:36 PM that's some jerkoff uploading other peeps work.

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