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fruityloops illegality.

admin-sever15	Date: June 22, 2003 @ 2:41 PM If you clowns are using a warez version of fruityloops or a similar program, it's illegal to post your music up here. am I right?
jmweirick	Date: June 22, 2003 @ 2:46 PM good question, but i'm going to say it's legal. becasue while the copy of fruityloops is "illegal" the songs you make are your own intelectual property, so there for you have any right to do what you want with them.
jeffyeakel	Date: June 22, 2003 @ 3:01 PM What about if you use the demo version?
admin-sever15	Date: June 22, 2003 @ 3:13 PM Perhaps the legality stays so long as one does not obtain any sort of profit from the usage. At least for the demo.
jeffyeakel	Date: June 22, 2003 @ 3:22 PM I saw nothing saying you couldn't do anything of the sort, besides save as .flp files. It allows you to render them as .wavs and .mp3s so I figure they'd eliminate that feature from the demo if they didn't want you to do it...
admin-sever15	Date: June 22, 2003 @ 3:30 PM did you actually READ the user agreement?
jeffyeakel	Date: June 22, 2003 @ 3:39 PM Um.....Oops I see that my slug has gotten into the salt depository again. Gotta go...
Expose	Date: June 22, 2003 @ 11:23 PM Bullshit.
azhazhellfire	Date: June 23, 2003 @ 4:49 AM i actually got my version as a gift, it's pretty old now, but if i hadn't got it given to me then i would've downloaded it. what you've said is bullshit, i just had another read through the dm agreement and the fruityloops agreement and i can't see anything that even vaguely resembles what you're claiming.
1219	Date: June 23, 2003 @ 6:15 AM who cares, make music any way you can! if you can afford it, buy it, if not fuck it...
JFF	Date: June 23, 2003 @ 7:58 AM If I ever make any kind of $$$ from music, i'll buy 10 copies
Svensta	Date: June 23, 2003 @ 10:13 AM This is close to saying that should you inadvertently (or actively) steal a co-workers pen from his cube, anything you write with it is invalid and not to be considered yours by ownership.
admin-sever15	Date: June 23, 2003 @ 11:19 AM This was intended as more of an inquiry than a statement of absolute certainty.
jmweirick	Date: June 23, 2003 @ 3:44 PM if you look into it it would not be illegal, because you created it, it's your's. if it would be illegal because of that then you are saying that anything you create with fruityloops is property of the creators of fruityloops, since that is not true the neither is true.
Cryxan	Date: June 23, 2003 @ 9:18 PM I agree with what people have been saying. What would be illegal is your use of the software, not the music created with it.
sinai	Date: June 24, 2003 @ 7:38 AM unless of course, you used it to make illegal bootlegs and remixs that you've downloaded off kazaa...
admin-sever15	Date: June 24, 2003 @ 9:56 AM Subject: Re: User-end agreement Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:54:08 +0200 "Thanks for your interest in our software. In order to license & copyright your music productions made with Fruityloops, you need to comply with these requirements: * You need to have at least a licence for FL Studio Fruityloops edtion or Producer edition before you can use anything in any commercial production. To order your version of FL Studio please choose here: (all versions include Life Time Free Updates to the edition you order), For FL Studio Producer Edition (US$149) http://www.flstudio.com/order.asp?P_Code=31020 For FL Studio Fruityloops Edition (US$99) http://www.flstudio.com/order.asp?P_Code=31010 * You can not use or sell any of the songs/loops that come with FL Studio/Fruityloops. If you want to use parts of it, you can contact the original creator and discuss this issue further with him * You can not license, copyright, sell or distribute in any way the individual samples & sounds, or make samples packs out of it. * However, you can copyright/license any production of your own as long as it is entirely yours and complies to above rules. Consider FL Studio/Fruityloops to be a word processor. You can not sell the dictionary that comes with nor can you sell the word processor application it self and you can not publish the demo word-processing files as your own books or articles. However, any article or book you write yourself, is yours to do with it whatever you want (if you have bought the software). I hope this clarifies this issue to you."" id="50888">Well, I asked the Fruityloops Team personally, and this is there response: From: "The FL Team" Subject: Re: User-end agreement Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:54:08 +0200 "Thanks for your interest in our software. In order to license & copyright your music productions made with Fruityloops, you need to comply with these requirements: * You need to have at least a licence for FL Studio Fruityloops edtion or Producer edition before you can use anything in any commercial production. To order your version of FL Studio please choose here: (all versions include Life Time Free Updates to the edition you order), For FL Studio Producer Edition (US$149) http://www.flstudio.com/order.asp?P_Code=31020 For FL Studio Fruityloops Edition (US$99) http://www.flstudio.com/order.asp?P_Code=31010 * You can not use or sell any of the songs/loops that come with FL Studio/Fruityloops. If you want to use parts of it, you can contact the original creator and discuss this issue further with him * You can not license, copyright, sell or distribute in any way the individual samples & sounds, or make samples packs out of it. * However, you can copyright/license any production of your own as long as it is entirely yours and complies to above rules. Consider FL Studio/Fruityloops to be a word processor. You can not sell the dictionary that comes with nor can you sell the word processor application it self and you can not publish the demo word-processing files as your own books or articles. However, any article or book you write yourself, is yours to do with it whatever you want (if you have bought the software). I hope this clarifies this issue to you."
admin-sever15	Date: June 24, 2003 @ 10:01 AM To simplify, you may licence/copyright all you want as long as you own the program. If you are using the demo, products may not be used commercially.
jeffyeakel	Date: June 24, 2003 @ 10:07 AM Well that would clarify it, except you misspelled "their" at the beginning, sorry.
pog	Date: June 24, 2003 @ 11:19 AM however, if I were to say that I sampled it off a friend of a friend's tracks, and he has a licensed copy of fruityloops, thus another loophole is created.
SiMuL	Date: October 22, 2003 @ 11:25 PM Bah! whose to know what program you created the song with anyhow?!? I agree with: if you can afford it, buy it. If you cannot, does that mean you should deny your creative ability simply because some rich asshole doesn't have quite enough money?
Tudris	Date: October 23, 2003 @ 2:33 AM The problem with these programs is that they've been built for professionals, and thus given a professional price (though still overpriced it may be). As an amateur artist, finding an affordable, entry-level software studio is nearly impossible, because nobody makes them. Okay, there may be some, but I'd hardly call them entry-level; more like something a guy wrote in a few hours with dreams of riches in his head. My point is, being an amateur artist doesn't mean that we can live without decent capability. Unfortunately, the only programs that have such capability are the high-priced, professional-grade products that are out of reach. Naturally, wanting to explore our musical ability without breaking the bank (and before hitting it "big"), the amateur artist will do all he can to get the software he or she needs. Now, when the artist comes to a state where making music is making a living, it would be a shame not to pay. But, until then, us amateurs will have to pirate. Such is the nature of so-called "equal opportunity". This would also apply to other fields, such as graphics (cough, Photoshop, cough). Note, that when I say "amateur", I'm not referring to the artists on DMusic; lotsa VERY professional sounding artists here. I am referring to myself in this instance.
JFF	Date: October 23, 2003 @ 3:48 AM
Psipher	Date: October 23, 2003 @ 3:50 AM what if u have a legit copy of fruity loops but its on an illegal copy of windows?.... just a thought! should i drop mr gates an email and ask him?
zer0th	Date: October 23, 2003 @ 8:20 AM lol anway if this is of any use: A freeware sequencer, "jeskola buzz." Not to sure on where there site is at but a quick search should find it for you. A bit of a hard interface to get used to thou but overall a very powerful tool (I think it may be open source as well if anyones interested)
alcoholicskunk	Date: October 25, 2003 @ 12:09 AM What if you have a legit copy of fruity loops and a legit copy of windows.... but the computer is stolen? I bought Acid 2.0 about 3 years ago and in that time they've come out with 3.0 and 4.0.. I'm sorry but I'm not paying $100-$200 a year just for some new effects or the ability to compose in 5.1 surround when I only have two speakers and a sub woofer.
ChillinBuzz	Date: October 25, 2003 @ 6:48 AM jeskola buzz - www.buzzmachines.com ( i use it ) anyways, another pointless point. after you have converted to WAV and/or MP3, OGG, whatever, how the hell would anyone know what program you wrote it in? just a thought
Izekial	Date: October 25, 2003 @ 3:12 PM The two slow songs have some F snare and bass drums around, but that's about it), using Pearl snare drums and Peavey keyboards (for bass drums, distorted effects). What you do is record your entire arsenal of drum sounds in Sonar, then you put all of them in a file. When you go to FL, add the file to your tool bar on the left. Then when you make a song just use the sounds you created. If I do another album I'm going to record a mess of real drums, including real cymbals, and nearly all of the percussion samples on my keyboard (tambourines, maracas, the works). That way the FL samples will be made obsolete, but you can still conveniently structure all the drum tracks.
Thaspian	Date: October 25, 2003 @ 4:09 PM I downloaded a registered Opera. I made a few journals with it. Does that mean my journals are illegal?
mtekk	Date: October 25, 2003 @ 7:42 PM hmm, does it matter? They are your combination of words, they are your property. that's how i see it.
dgtzr	Date: October 25, 2003 @ 11:00 PM I was copywrited at birth. Everything I do is owned by someone else. Legality is someone elses problem.
Tudris	Date: October 27, 2003 @ 1:45 AM That reminds me... http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,60757,00.html
pog	Date: October 27, 2003 @ 3:23 AM Yes it's illegal... but so is buying alcohol for minors. That doesn't seem to stop them from getting hold of it.
Alleagenz	Date: October 27, 2003 @ 9:03 AM If your tune gets recognised then buy the real thing, easy really but for now while your just getting feedback, who cares
Electroharmonix	Date: October 27, 2003 @ 9:06 PM sigh makes me think if most of my tracks would be fraudulent then...considering that I've used Demo versions of FruityLoops 3.5 and FLStudio.
sween	Date: October 29, 2003 @ 1:05 PM Hahaha Ive just read what everyone has said, it made me laugh coz its not such a big deal, as Alleagenz said - if your tune gets recognised then buy the real thing.. maybe I should have put that sentence in quotation marks, or discussed it with Alleagenz before using it. oops! is that illegal??!!! Hahahahaaa www.thesween.com
shadow-emcee	Date: October 30, 2003 @ 3:19 PM they cant prove u used FL to create the loop they can prove that you have used the individual sampls n sounds,but if youre using your own like i am,then theres nothing to fear
Electroharmonix	Date: November 4, 2003 @ 9:03 PM so basically, if I were to install a copy of FLStudio I downloaded, my tracks would be illegal? o.o
djfacemachine	Date: November 6, 2003 @ 12:32 AM hmm... well... i'd never even heard of fruity loops until a friend of mine offered to give me a pirated copy. now that i understand how it works and such, i use a lot of instrument samples that i find on royalty free sites or things i make on other pirated music software. however, now that i know how powerful the program is and how much use i can get out of it, i seriously wouldn't mind putting out a couple hundred dollars or however much it is to own a LEGAL copy of it. but until i get the urge to go out there and spend my alcohol money... this stolen copy will have to do.
Electroharmonix	Date: November 8, 2003 @ 6:55 PM DJFacemachine...your words are Godly.
cardboarddea...	Date: November 9, 2003 @ 11:30 AM My friend's brother claims to be able to know what software was used to make music, just by listening to the finished track, but I find that claim highly dubious. The biggest pain I find is when certain music sites (let's call one of them mp3.com, cos it is) don't allow you to upload a track due to copyrighted samples. Fair enough, but they seem to fail to realise that there are MILLIONS of copyright-free sounds out there. It's just very hard to convince someone your samples are from these sites...This makes me sad. xxxxx a very sad CDB
pmscpc	Date: November 10, 2003 @ 9:32 AM Illegal samples ? Pirated software ? They'll be making drugs illegal next.
sinai	Date: November 10, 2003 @ 7:49 PM pass the X and cat tranqs while there's still time
sween	Date: November 10, 2003 @ 8:51 PM Bollox to this crap!! So long as you make a quality song, no one can tell you "oh, you used my samples/loops. Im gona sue you!" coz it'll cost them more to sue you than it would to make the bloody sound. Its yours if youve used it to make an original song. Youve thought of the sound, youve just used a few of someones beats to make it. not a problem! www.thesween.com
DaveAR	Date: November 21, 2003 @ 9:42 AM You know, after all this we'll probably discover that Eric Clapton used a stolen guitar to play Layla or something equally ridiculous. No one would care.
shadow-emcee	Date: November 26, 2003 @ 6:26 PM its all gettin silly the drum loop for Nas-I Can has been used so many times by major producers and i dontthink its ever been claimed ownership.
johnnygnote	Date: November 28, 2003 @ 5:54 AM FL should be illegal Reason Rules
fallfandave	Date: December 2, 2003 @ 6:03 PM well i do all me stuff on FL and i like it... i compose it note for note .....nobody will back me in my weird notions of music....all my music is 100% original....in fact i play random notes so i know i am not ripping ppl off ...i only delete what i dont like....n then i sing on it...what is the fuckin problem?
sinai	Date: December 3, 2003 @ 8:55 PM you wanna know what else?!?! i stole the fucking copy of FL that i use to rip other people off!!
johnnygnote	Date: December 6, 2003 @ 5:49 PM Sinai :rotf:
johnnygnote	Date: December 6, 2003 @ 5:50 PM Oops
comorbid	Date: January 18, 2004 @ 7:31 PM If your tune gets recognised then buy the real thing, easy really but for now while your just getting feedback, who cares ©Alleagenz 2003 But...how would someone be able to recognize the samples you used if you've altered them beyond recognition with effects?
figfarmer	Date: January 18, 2004 @ 8:42 PM What an idea! It's no different than using a stolen drumstick or guitar pick. How is that going to make it illegal to upload? I've never tried the program myself. Next week I have to learn one calle Pro Tools though.
lordDeaconGreen	Date: January 20, 2004 @ 3:45 PM I wander if You got to pay FENDER to use the use of the quitars that Are making music, or if Yamaha is going to explode up in your face because you stole they drum set from an old X friend or if Techniqes are going to be pissed caused you ripped of another X friends turntables. It's funny that A company that promotes the creation of MUSIC is going to get pissed off because you create some fat as hell tunes from one of they Machines, rether you ripped it from the net or not... I tell frity to SUCK MY THUMB, because they sound like a group of Mafia related arrgant pricks. I usally don't get fumed like this but they shouldn't be selling programs over the net if they don't want their progams to be cracked. Get over it.
lordDeaconGreen	Date: January 20, 2004 @ 3:47 PM Sinai- TESTIFY... Some of us are POOR.
AdamsGod	Date: November 17, 2004 @ 1:07 PM i have the liscenced FL software.. but i didnt but it, i downloaded it from kazaa along with the crack. does that meen that i cant sell my music? i find that hard to believe.
Midknight	Date: December 6, 2004 @ 12:13 AM uhm even if it WAS illegal, there is no way to actually prove you used an illegal copy of fruityloops to make it.
pog	Date: December 6, 2004 @ 6:32 PM No, you would not get into trouble for stealing your friend's guitar or turntable unless they pressed charges. The thing that worries me is that some posters are a little misguided because there is a big difference between out-right theft, and copyright infringement... for example, admitting to copyright infringement in a public forum is possibly enough information to get yourself sued.
sinai	Date: December 6, 2004 @ 6:53 PM perhaps pog...but mebbe some of us are trying to get our fifteen minutes that way
w0rds	Date: December 6, 2004 @ 10:01 PM http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20041115_135458.html http://untergrund.net/winwarez.jpg nice, isn't it? and here's an promising project: http://bloodshed.net/wired/ its interface resembles reason, yet v0.1 though, but that's enough to be another big step to open-source software, i think maybe it could be ported to windows someday too

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