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Drum Recording Tips (again)

ps-I-forgot	Date: July 6, 2004 @ 11:51 AM Hello, I need advice on a live recording I'll be doing with my band this Thursday. Basically, there will be 8 tracks, I've allocated 2 for guitars, 1 for the bass, 2 for the lead, and 3 for the drums. What I need to know is: With three mics, in a live recording environment, what type of mics should I use, and where should I position them to assure the best, most effective type of recording? Other questions: 1. What brand or type of mic should I use with a $300 budget (total for all three mics)?
LordAndrew	Date: July 6, 2004 @ 12:12 PM You should probably get the type of microphones that attach to your drum set... i don't know how much a set of those costs but they work really well.
woodhead	Date: July 7, 2004 @ 12:19 AM another aspect you could try, is to run as many mics as you want but run them through a board, use track one for your kick and 2 for your snare then use three for toms and over heads it will work as long as you can run a board that can do this.
woodhead	Date: July 7, 2004 @ 12:22 AM I use a set of these for live apps, they work well and no probs with them http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/sid=040706212035069240086031491896/g=live/s=mics/g=live/s=mics/search/bigpid/base_id/56308/
100thmonk	Date: July 7, 2004 @ 3:19 PM do you have full separation in separate rooms,or are you recording in the same space? i.e. will there be bleed, or are you going to make sure that the tracks are isolated? if not, then i would suggest trying the akg d12 for your kick drum(the egg one) and a pair of condensers like the sennheiser e614's set up overhead. generally it is preferred though to work like woodhead has described above. if you have a mixer, the same mics could still apply, but you could add a shure beta sm58 to the snare and if you like a bunch of shure beta 56's for your toms. you hsould be able to rent most of this stuff for around the $300 you have. if you want to own and all you have is $300 i would suggest going out and buying as many used shure sm58's as you can(probably 4-6) and use them to get your sounds. the good thing abt sm58s is the are quite flat, and thusly quite true to the sound the are recording. they will get a decent sound on just about anything, and they are reasonably priced. another company which has nice mics and is cheaper new than shure is called AUDIX. i have had the pleasure of using their microphones live on many occassions, and the are quite good. the sennheiser e604 is supposed to be a snare mic(don't waste your time), but if you set it up on a stand and throw it in front of a guitar amp, you may find it's one of the best sounding guitar mics you've ever heard.
100thmonk	Date: July 7, 2004 @ 3:21 PM they are flat.....they are recording.
aricana	Date: July 13, 2004 @ 9:26 AM "if not, then i would suggest trying the akg d12 for your kick drum(the egg one) and a pair of condensers like the sennheiser e614's set up overhead." I agree. Are you/did you mean record a live gig? Or record live in the studio? For a live gig recording, the ones mentioned above would suffice - and you'd get some of the overhead sound through the vocal mikes at the front of the stage - SM58's are ace for that.
bayareadrums	Date: July 28, 2004 @ 5:52 PM Beta 56A's have a great dynamic range and I've used them on everything from snare, bass, guitar cabs, toms, vocals.. That is if you can still find them...
tinusch	Date: September 5, 2004 @ 6:13 PM I use AKG-miks and shureM57 for the snare.
fuhkengruven	Date: December 14, 2004 @ 10:20 AM for the snare you can not beat an sm57, for overheads you can get some nady cm88's they are about $60 a piece at musicians friend.. they also make a nice kick drum mic , i used it alot before i purchased an akg d112 , for $179 you can get the whole 7 piece nady drum mic kit.. its not bad , i use them for live sound applications tip 1 , aim the snar mic right where the drummer is hitting the head tip 2 for your overheads pan one left and one right , but not hard paned leave a little bit on each channel.. and dont place the mics way outside the drum set , bring them in , when you are looking at the overheads they should both be over the two toms , not directly over the crash's .. tip 3 kick drum , take the resonate head off , put a pillow in the kick drum and aim the mic right where the pedal hits the batter head , but at a slight angle about 3 inches from the head itself. http://www.burnstudios.com/drums.jpg thats my project studio site, www.burnstudios.com
Vipercussionist	Date: April 10, 2005 @ 12:59 PM fuhkengruven That pillow in the kick is cool, but how would you say get a John Bonham or Buddy Rich or Gene Krupa tone??
davidpartay	Date: April 19, 2005 @ 6:51 AM I disagree with recording the bassdrum with no resonant head, etc. I've seen and been involved with a few recording situations where the bassdrum is tuned 'as-is', and they sound great in recordings. Even when I did a couple of tracks with a torn resonant head it still sounded like a well-recorded bassdrum. I've also heard opinions (from sound guys) that SM57s are only 'ok' for recording drums with - they're just a cheap microphone in that regard. Which is fine, especially if you're looking to have a value for money recording. I personally don't see too many dramas with the SM57s myself, both on toms and the snaredrum. Also, when you're recording the snaredrum it's best to use two microphones - one for the batter and one for the resonant side. I didn't understand why myself until I actually saw how huge the amount of control you have over the sound of the snaredrum at the desk when you use the two microphones rather than one.
fuhkengruven	Date: April 20, 2005 @ 10:11 AM ok, here it is .. if you want a heavy rock metal sounding kick .. take the resonate head OFF .. and put a pillow up against the batter head of the kick drum and angle the kick druck mic away from the snare . or it will pick it up .. the pillow gets rid of undertones that can ruin a good kick drum sound .. and to eq it for this style of mic placement, cut around 500hz, boost the 3 to 4hz and boost up around 50 to 60 hz , you will have to play with this one to find out where the kick drum resonates... now if you want a big full kick drum like john bonham, place the mic outside the kick drum hole, becarefull tho , sometimes this will sound very boomy. and will give you fits when mixing the bass guitar along with it.. whenever you have two things taking up the same frequency they tend to cancle eachother out .. like if you have a bass player that plays with a full fat and rounded tone . you want the kick drum mic INSIDE THE KICK DRUM .. if you have a bass player that plays slap or funk and has a pointy sounding bass sound you want the kick drum mic outside of the kick drum .. and reverse eq the bass .. what i mean is if you cut the 500hz on the kick .,boost the 500hz on the bass guitar .. as far as two mics on a snare .. thats all fine and dandy untill mr phase comes in .. you will have to experiment with that .. mic positioning ect .. and and you can not beat a sm57 on the snare .. or for your guitar for that matter , it gets the grittyness .. lots of respectable studios use sm57's as they are the standard in the industry ..
fuhkengruven	Date: April 20, 2005 @ 10:12 AM http://burnstudios.com go and listen some recordings i have made
fuhkengruven	Date: April 20, 2005 @ 10:14 AM and if all i had was 3 mics to mic drums for a live recording , i would use a mic on the kick, a mic on the snare .. and one overhead .. put the snare mic on the batter head and aim it right where the drummer hits it .. away from the hihats ..

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