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FraDonaghy	Date: March 31, 2005 @ 3:14 PM Leaving comments on songs can be somwhat of an artform itself. Who in your experience leaves the best/worst comments on your songs? What do you find helpful, or overly critical in a comment, and what are the worst cliches you have heard?
imemine	Date: March 31, 2005 @ 3:21 PM My answer is "You Rock Dude" to almost all of the above. Woof and Notary04 (IMHO) give the most insightful and constructive comments. I’m sure there are others but this is off the top of my head. Anyone who takes the time to comment frankly is very appreciated.
DaveWL	Date: March 31, 2005 @ 3:23 PM Treebone – is the best commenter – her comments are often more interesting and colourful than the songs shes commenting on. Vickxx Vapor Dubs I found always gave great constructive cricitism but encouraging at the same time.. Sadly his been missing for a while. People like Dkeifer, Fred DeMillio always make you feel like they really listened to the song. Worst clichés are maybe “cool song”, or “it rocks” although I’m guilty of using them too.
FraDonaghy	Date: March 31, 2005 @ 3:29 PM I would agree 100% about Treebone's comments. She really listens and tries to see the good in every song. I appreciate technical advice too, as I don't have a great recording standard with my music. However, sometimes it is best to ignore technical flaws and see the song that is trying to escape beneath. A lot of people commenting on my music have mercifully ignored that aspect of my ineptitude
BOWILLIE	Date: March 31, 2005 @ 3:34 PM im guilty of that too. even if the song is kick ass great some of the time the prior comments say it all..so no use repeating some body..btw..this thread is a cool thread..and it rocks too!
FraDonaghy	Date: March 31, 2005 @ 3:37 PM
DaveWL	Date: March 31, 2005 @ 3:44 PM Good point Bowillie makes - sometimes you come to a song and it's already got 20+ comments -what else is there new you can say
imemine	Date: March 31, 2005 @ 3:52 PM Yea, good point that DaveWL makes about BOWILLIE’S point! ……….and right about Treebone, Dkeifer, Freddy and Vickxx too! Halaka’s another trouper too!
FraDonaghy	Date: March 31, 2005 @ 3:54 PM The reason I started this thread was to see what people see as good/bad/useful comment behaviour. I'm never sure what to write on a song, and sometimes take my cue from prior comments as well as the song itself. That may not be fair to the song sometimes though. Maybe if there was a way to hide previous comments until you had posted yours, that would rule out deliberate repitition, or the anxiety of trying to think of something new/useful to say. I have been guilty in the past of completely misunderstanding a song (furiousball) and making a wally of myself in the comment.
tsand19151	Date: March 31, 2005 @ 3:57 PM i love getting comments from DaveWL and dkeifer. they alway leave such positive thoughts. Rodrica, too
DaveWL	Date: March 31, 2005 @ 4:05 PM Oh yeah Rodrica - can't forget her shes definetly one of the best. It's hard commenting on Tim's tracks as every one is sublime brilliance and you run out of ways of saying that.
onewhodreams	Date: March 31, 2005 @ 4:49 PM Oooh, that's a hard one I think Woof, moam, stratmanstl, imemine, fredmiller and Traf leave insightful comments but there are so many others that do too... too many to list. I like the style of comments Gary Tucker, ebarbarella, and dennytate leave... lots of &
BOWILLIE	Date: March 31, 2005 @ 6:48 PM i would like to comment obout the comment about bowillies point..i wear a hat..does my pointy head show? and what i do is close my eyes until i get to the comment spot..so my ideas are not confused..then i read the others to see if any compare..
Hatsy	Date: March 31, 2005 @ 7:13 PM I shut my eyes when I scroll down the comments as I don't want to see what anyone else has written first! We find we mostly have a loyal band of commentees who always make us smile when reading their charming prose-like reviews, to name a few, Saetan, dkeifer, Notary, tsand, Gary Tucker, Bowillie, Borty Bee, Rodrica, Stratwizard, Woof & Leplume, I just know I'm gonna miss people out who we love to hear from, see, Frad for a start, anyway I love the colourful comments whether they are short, long, straggly or tall, but I do get miffed at the wise-asses who just come by (and thankfully they are few & far between) to poke their nose into a cheerful & thriving community to Lord it over the rest of us and try to sound clever, when in actual fact the pulling to pieces of a certain sound or instrument is often way wrong and sometimes the instrument in question is not even on the track! I love those ones! Or you get the drum expert who wants to see you squirm but uses so many abbreviations that the text is a cryptic crossword & therefore rendered null & void. Apart from that I find most comments are awesome, I appreciate you cannot have good things said all the time but sometimes it is obvious somebody is trying to bring you down a peg or two publicly and this isn't really what it's all about. I enjoy writing every comment, it's a happy involvement and if a song isn't your cup of tea then pass it by, there's always something new & exciting on dmusic & it's by & large a wonderful environment for encouraging others and having the pleasure of knowing your songs will be listened to by caring ears. Thought I'd chuck my in for what it's worth, also would like to thank everyone who has ever given our songs a listen, it makes for a great day and I hope to be able to return the compliment whenever time allows. Oh and an afterthought I feel really embarrassed when I visit someone's page who has been treated to a bit of a critic rampage, and will always listen more because of this and try to re-dress the balance, I guess everyone here works hard on their music & art & it doesn't take much to see the good in someone's work, the effort shines above a dodgy mic or a hiss on the intro! Some of those less than perfect takes are endearing & real, I'd listen to it all day in preference to some of the lack lustre junk available commercially. - Oh and I forgot Lachatte too, a great promoter of dmusic. There's many more but I could be here for another hour....
GTLive	Date: March 31, 2005 @ 10:49 PM I wish we could hide the comments from the world without losing them. Recently I asked a member for opinions on a song, and was flamed for doing that. The reason? I have 46 songs that have accumulated comments over time. None of them have less than ten. I don't understand what that has to do with me, all I wanted was a person's thoughts on my song. I am about to move "Comment Statistics as a deterrent to listening" over to the General Bitching Post. As for me I love all comments. It's being ignored I can't stand. Special thanks to those who mentioned my name in here, that's real nice
sinai	Date: April 1, 2005 @ 5:20 AM nah, i've never had a reason to wanna hide my comments, even if someone really ripped into it. (best flame yet: "i can't believe you let me waste bandwidth on this shit!") taste is taste. all the good and honest reviews are worth it. original question? rodrica is always cool about it, as is zeropage, gatherer, gary tucker, ronnie71, tsand, etc... shit theres alot of them... thanks ya'll
Rodrica	Date: April 1, 2005 @ 6:17 AM I always welcome a heads up when someone has something new up. It's tough keeping up with all the new uploads. I don't think there's anything wrong with asking people to listen to your material, irrespective of how many comments you've got. Nobody here should lose sight of the fact that we are a music site and music is here to be listened to. Spam? Ha! We're here to promote our music aint we? I don't care if someone has 100 comments on their song or none...If I like it I always think it's nice to let them know. It's always good for an artist to know what kind of audience they attract. And I never criticise a simple "I liked it" in my comment box. That's good enough for me...but if someone wants to elaborate, then even better!
kingo	Date: April 1, 2005 @ 7:53 AM leaves the best comments.
zedsalt	Date: April 1, 2005 @ 11:45 AM For me to listen to even a couple of tunes here, I have to commit a good chunk of an afternoon or night (streaming just doesn't work with my lousy connection, so I have to download, which takes about an hour and twenty minutes to two hours for a three-minute song). Partially as a result, I haven't listened to more than three or four songs that I haven't commented on. All of my "no comment" tunes have been solid, somewhat conventional pieces of music that stand a much better chance at popularity than any music I'm ever likely to write...by choice by all involved, I'm sure. They reminded me of tunes by large numbers of well-known artists, so RIYL style comments really wouldn't have bore much weight. I haven't been leaving many comments on tunes by the same artists, because my "check this out" list is literally pages long. It didn't get that way by paying attention to the number of comments, and like Treebone, I don't look at others' comments before writing mine. I do have a buddy here who is served by...if you want to call it that...the same ISP as I. He doesn't consider the number of comments, but DOES lend a lot of weight to the kind of comments songs are getting when deciding what to download.
BOWILLIE	Date: April 1, 2005 @ 12:57 PM and don't be jaded by the term new arrivals (newbies) that have just joined this site...some of these artists are very hard hitters ..very good musicians that deserve a listen and a comment...although some i commented on havent bothered to return or respond to my effort...oh well..i guess every one was'nt raised with manners..im not fishing for comments..its just a recently aquired peeve of mine.
kingo	Date: April 1, 2005 @ 1:19 PM There are a lot of artists here who just have songs here, and rarely, if ever, participate in comment-swapping or mutual listening or whatever else we do here. To me it's not a big deal, though once I figure out someone's here in that capacity I rarely bother to leave comments on their stuff.
FraDonaghy	Date: April 1, 2005 @ 1:33 PM To be fair, not everyone has good internet connections and can't be swapping comments as much as they would like to. Other people sometimes only comment in order to try and get a comment in return for themselves. I hate the whole idea of holding a grudge against a particular user if they don't check out your music or comment on it. Maybe they didn't like it, and thought the politest thing to do was say nothing. I try to balance as much as I can with my internet capabilities, and comment on the majority of songs I listen to, but if someone I checked out didn't return the favour I wouldn't care. And if I really liked their music, rather than going there just to try and get my ego massaged in return for it, I'd go back again too.
FraDonaghy	Date: April 1, 2005 @ 1:35 PM By the way - that was not directed at either of the previous commentors - I was just speaking my mind on the topic in hand.
BOWILLIE	Date: April 1, 2005 @ 2:03 PM no offence taken on my part frad..i agree 100%..thats one of the reasons we have two music sites as knightmoods..when we first joined the site...we used joes dial up ...slowww...i got dsl super fast! the diff.was night and day..so i took over the leg work on our music.and every one loves a good massage!
kingo	Date: April 1, 2005 @ 2:39 PM I AM OFFENSED!!!! I AM OFFENSED!!!! HELP ME I AM OFFENSED!!!!!!!!!!
BOWILLIE	Date: April 1, 2005 @ 4:25 PM im a guard rail! im a guard rail! i just added frad to the top of my best commenters
leplume	Date: April 1, 2005 @ 5:06 PM Comments are a double edged sword. If you leave a comment that is critical in any way then people get down on you for being critical. If you don't leave a comment then people can misconstrue that as snobbery. If you leave a comment just for the sake of leaving a comment, well, that just seems ingenuous, doesn't it? Wait, that's three edges! damn, I hate it when the old epithets don't work right...
GTLive	Date: April 1, 2005 @ 7:47 PM I tend to leave comments whether I like the stuff or not. I try to be honest and respectful at the same time. I think we are an interactive music site, yet there are people frowning on both interaction and music promotion too. That don't make sense. Anyway, my comments tend not to be dissective because most people are more technically sound than I. So instead they get my feelings as Joe Listener. I recently got a note from someone asking me to stop commenting on their page and shouting in their box. With that person, I apologized for disturbing, and moved on. But unless you ask me in that way, I assume you are on DMusic for music. I assume you are here to interact as well. By the way I am quite appreciative of all the silent fans who listen without commenting, I just never say because I don't know who they are.
Hatsy	Date: April 4, 2005 @ 6:53 PM I always think good comes out of bad & generally if someone has been criticized over zealously there will be triple the amount of support coming from other directions, it's just human nature for someone being picked on to find friends there to haul em out, dust em off & say, hey, 'you're great, get back in there' the same as it is sometimes human nature for a person to be having a bad day & go fire off at somebody. When that happens it's not pleasant but the nice guys & gals come out to play & really put the sun back
furiousBall	Date: April 13, 2005 @ 2:12 PM dkeifer leaves wonderful comments, it's like he works in a library or something. he must like words a lot at least... word-liker. Woof, Dizeazed, mux, Gatherer, zedsalt, Halaka, dennytate, tim, onewhodreams, and omnipotent all leave really thoughtful comments...there's others too. this isn't a popular thing to say but the most annoying comments to me are those that consist of more emoticons than actual words. i always try to listen to what works really well in someone else's song and also what they could have done better. it's a tough thing to leave anything negative stylistically. the only negative things i usually mention are to point out shortcomings in production when i hear them. that's how i got better at recording, lots of advice from dm people.
sween	Date: April 16, 2005 @ 12:15 PM furiousBall, onewhodreams, rodrica, TreeBone, imemine, moam, saetan, freddemillio, oh too many to mention all leave good comments I like abit of constructive critisism although there are people that dont.. I thankfully have not come across many.
ebarbarella	Date: April 18, 2005 @ 1:00 PM very cool forum! but i will not mention just some ppl cause there are too many to mention dmusic reading this I agree with Treebone's inputs
ebarbarella	Date: April 18, 2005 @ 1:02 PM and some emots express more than words
imemine	Date: April 18, 2005 @ 1:41 PM @ ebarbarella
GTLive	Date: April 18, 2005 @ 2:34 PM Frances Plante-Scott who has pretty much refined the art of emote-o-phonics. They say "a picture is worth 1000 words", and I think very visually myself so this works for me. I can see where others may not like it though. :nod: :hug: :angel: :Peace: :leaf: :razz: :lmao: if you know what I mean ;)" id="131518">I agree with ebarbarella about that icon thing. In fact the best comments I get come from Frances Plante-Scott who has pretty much refined the art of emote-o-phonics. They say "a picture is worth 1000 words", and I think very visually myself so this works for me. I can see where others may not like it though. if you know what I mean
Hatsy	Date: April 20, 2005 @ 5:48 PM And if a picture paints a thousand words, music paints a thousand pictures....I run out of emots for what I want to say Now let me see if this one comes out ok from my retarded memory....
Hatsy	Date: April 20, 2005 @ 5:51 PM (smug) = !!
mcspice	Date: April 21, 2005 @ 10:28 AM this site is crazy hot
Distilled1	Date: April 21, 2005 @ 8:35 PM Im bad at the and shit But when I have time and I am not to distilled with :cocktails: I will try and comment as I listen the first time as each part of the song progresses(sic) {see to much already } I love them all. and I have to agree alot of the times there are so many comments that say what I would like to say I just say "I couldn't say it better than halka " I will try the not reading first what a great idea macks own head:
kingo	Date: April 21, 2005 @ 9:29 PM No one can ever say it better than me, though, is the thing, man. So don't feel bad. I'm like a phantastic armchair, really. I almost don't need a reality to be in, I could just be the whole thing. So don't feel bad. About that.
DaveWL	Date: April 22, 2005 @ 4:43 AM Well said Halaka - I couldn't have said it any better myself.
BOWILLIE	Date: April 22, 2005 @ 5:49 PM a potatoe in a armchair..hmmm..i can see that.......
furiousBall	Date: April 25, 2005 @ 4:25 PM does the phillie phanatatic have a phantastic armchair? i bet he does and when he puts his feet on the ottoman, a big red tongue comes flying out of it
justinother1	Date: April 26, 2005 @ 9:02 AM but,van,wouldn't he put his "pheet" on the ottoman???
zedsalt	Date: April 26, 2005 @ 12:15 PM And wouldn't the tongue come "phlying" out?
furiousBall	Date: April 26, 2005 @ 12:16 PM I think the answer lies here... http://shop.store.yahoo.com/phillysportsstuff/philphan3pie.html
koiulpoi	Date: April 28, 2005 @ 9:49 PM I like furiousball's comments. Apparently dkeifer and I are the "elvis and costello" of the modern age.
darkgrrrl	Date: April 29, 2005 @ 1:18 PM sorry my comments always suck but I like listening

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