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is REASON better than FRUITY LOOPS?

smine	Date: November 20, 2004 @ 1:44 AM is REASON better than FRUITY LOOPS?
pog	Date: November 20, 2004 @ 4:21 AM technically, yes... it's 32 bit, and fruityloops is 16, but then you look at the usability, and with fruity, it's a lot easier to get a bangin' tune than it is with reason (reason has a lot of buttons that most people would never think of using). So I guess it's another case of ... whatever you're comfortable with.
plungerboy	Date: November 21, 2004 @ 9:12 AM umm Fruity loops is a mesh off clogged wires so yes its better
plungerboy	Date: November 21, 2004 @ 9:38 AM i mean no. its not!
MissKnowItAll	Date: November 24, 2004 @ 6:43 PM people keep telling me that it is better. but i'm just not letting go
Evolved	Date: November 26, 2004 @ 7:17 AM The ever so frequent question which is a better sequencer.... Reason - No VST support. Fruity - Support VST Instruments. But if you ask me I like Reason better, probably because I like to play with wires. and I do used it sometimes as a musical sketch pad. the closed to the ouside world way of thinking is a very easy way to create a track, at least for me. only after that, I rewire, export midi, and do all the other tech stuff. But as the guys above me said, this is not a question of which is better. it is a question of which one is good for you...
leeroyrivers	Date: December 26, 2004 @ 9:26 AM agreed with evo
pog	Date: December 27, 2004 @ 12:45 AM ...upon further research, fruityloops can work in 32bit mode, so I guess... apples and oranges is the answer.
AdamsGod	Date: December 30, 2004 @ 2:12 PM i love FL.. the only problem i havewith it is the actual sounds.. the drums are just not good enough.. but i use beacuse i know how to.
Snoogans775	Date: January 2, 2005 @ 5:39 AM can't get past that 16-bit barrier
AdilC	Date: January 19, 2005 @ 6:50 AM I'm sure Reasons has its advantages, but personally I use FL because it is so damn good at making dance music that litterally makes girls take of their underwear.. But when I try to use it to make some drummy music/ ambient stuff.. the sound.. it's just sounds.. not right.. I have never been able to work out what it is.. maybe 16 bit.. by the way whats the difference between 32bit and 16bit is it noticable?
AdilC	Date: January 19, 2005 @ 6:53 AM Here is what I think of how fl sounds.. an example of FL's Sound compared to proffesionlal music you hear on tv.. GD ol TV - BBBRRRRRpppppppppppp FL - bbbrrrrrpppppppppppp
2step-4eva	Date: January 21, 2005 @ 1:25 PM well reason has lots of wires but they seem pretty pointless to me. and i dont have reason cos i cant get hold of a free copy that works. therefore it is probably better but 4 now i will use FL. hm Adil im not sure about ur comparison between TV and FL...this would be my version: TV: Ba'Dammmmmmmmmmmmm FL: bu'dummmmmmmmmmmm
bLINK2005uk	Date: January 21, 2005 @ 4:22 PM fruity loops better ???? is the grass allways greener ???
koiulpoi	Date: January 30, 2005 @ 7:50 PM I thought FL was 32 bit.
illikon	Date: February 3, 2005 @ 6:31 PM I've been using Reason for about a year now (Mostly for hip-hop and trance) and it's waaaaaay limited. Here's a list of features that fruity has that I frequently use that Reason does not offer in versions 2.5 or 3: Two-click sample auto chopping, loading entire songs or accapellas onto the playlist for easy mastering or remixing, auto-syncing the playlist sample to the tempo or auto-slicing the entire thing start to finish (And its also editable on the playlist), suuupppper dope time stretching that beats any other prog I've ever used, and it can bounce tracks to mp3 @ 320/KBps. Now this is all off the top of my head, I'm sure theres lots more, but those are the features I use all the time and Reason doesn't have a candle to hold up to that sh!t. But one thing Reason does have Fruity beat on is the CPU load, you can run dozens of Malstroms and Subtractors n all that with half the load of a single VST. Anyways, thats just MHO. Aaaand, if you just wanna use Reasons synths and whatnot for sound quality purposes just REWIRE that sh!t man!!
illikon	Date: February 3, 2005 @ 6:32 PM P.S. Reason can only bounce to Wav or Aiff
illikon	Date: February 3, 2005 @ 6:35 PM Aaaaand furthermore, www dot hqsamples dot com dot ua if you want sounds
optionexplicit	Date: February 12, 2005 @ 12:42 AM I run 'em both (fruity loops 5 / Reason 2.5 along with essentially every NI plugin known to man) using Reason as a rewire client in fruity loops. I use fruity loops primarily as a sequencer or a sort of "glue" to layout my VSTs and Reason tracks. The default drums in fruity loops are kinda weak - but that's what samples are for. Reason crushes any VST plugin in terms of CPU load (illikon's right). Basically it's not really a one or the other type a deal - unless it's a budget issue. In which case go with fruity loops...
Lux-Aeterna	Date: February 14, 2005 @ 1:07 AM FL certainly has a very cheap price, easy-to-use user interface. A lot of amateur artists who mainly use it are here, I think. But, I was dissatisfied with the sound not awesome and not gorgeous at all. They were totally narrow minded child's toys though I checked FL4 before... So, I am just taking FL into consideration as one of the VSTi on Cubase SX3... Reason has a friendly user interface, and it is very interesting for me.
Mshort813	Date: February 15, 2005 @ 3:54 PM Reason is a lot harder and more expensive but your work will turn out a lot better if you use reason. FL is affordable and easy to use but you can't do as much with it. Reason is better if you are serious about making songs and you will take time to figure it out. I have Reason and I love it but I also like to play around with FL.
DJopa	Date: February 16, 2005 @ 3:08 AM It's how you like it.. I personally like Reason better than fl.
Uproot	Date: March 22, 2006 @ 12:48 PM The only downfall i see with fl studio is that it can only be rewired as a slave, works well when you get it plugged into nuendo. But the programmers should make a move on enabling fl studio to use reason as its slave. Unless im doing something horribly wrong. Fruity loops has the simplest structure ive ever used, however, the sounds you create are not as full and complex as sounds that can be made on reason.
hantu	Date: March 22, 2006 @ 1:06 PM "the sounds you create are not as full and complex as sounds that can be made on reason" i think that is a load of kok bugger, but i could be wrong. and all of this "the sounds are better" "the drums are shit" malarky is complete They are cups, fill em with what you want.
leedsquietman	Date: March 22, 2006 @ 8:09 PM Reason is mostly a group of virtual synth and drum sounds, it does not record audio or support other vstis but it has hundreds of killer sounds built in which are tweakable and the quality of the effect is great in 2.5 and 3.0. It has great pianos, rhodes, strings, woodwinds etc. samples and great analog sounds in subtractor and quirky off the wall sounds in malmstrom. Malmstrom, Subtractor and some nnxt samples also have hot basslines from acid house bleeps to upright acoustic bass. FL is more designed for putting loops together and as a mini DAW that does allow audio recording. It comes with less built in sounds but you can use vstis - it is more like Acid pro in it's usage in that it is designed as an easy to use program where you can mix beats, loops with audio such as vocals, guitars etc. Reason requires more effort to work it out and is designed for people who play keyboards using a midi keyboard - some people use FL just for loops and audio. Reason requires that you rewire it into sonar, cubase, logic, etc. for better mixing and/or adding audio to your reason files for best effect (or you can use audacity etc to add vox and guitar), so many people just use it's sounds rewired into a DAW (I do this, I very rarely record something totally in Reason and mix in reason) Nerds tend to like the tweakability factor in reason plus it has virtual wires that are kind of amusinf (press TAB and it is like you have a hardware rack of synth linked up to a mixer and effects etc). Both are good programs but fulfil different needs, so shouldn't really be compared - Reason is a whole lot cheaper than buying a standalone drum box, standalone sample player and standalone analog and digital synths and standalone effect plug-ins for distortion, reverb, delay, compression, chorus/flange, etc, etc. and delivers a lot of bang for buck.
jimbobber1985	Date: March 23, 2006 @ 11:56 AM Shams right, you get the right VST's you can make FL sound as good as you want. Dont stick to using the default samples either
orgasmotron	Date: March 23, 2006 @ 12:02 PM why not just rewire reason into fruity loops, use both at once, and avoid this whole hooplah? usually what i do is this: 1) bassline+synths+sound fx's in FL studio, cuz you can use VSTS and i find it easier to compose in, using the Piano Roll. 2) drum loops+beats in Reason using the Dr. Rex and Redrum, plus the MClass compressor is freaking sweet! 3) Flesh out the beats with some hits in FL. 4) Mix it all+Master in FL. but jah know, potato pa-tah-toe. and yeah, the wires in Reason are fun, but lack of VST support means it pretty much sucks. oh and I just read optionexplicit's post and realized we said the exact same things. wicked.
leedsquietman	Date: March 23, 2006 @ 9:31 PM Yes but Reason IS a VST!!! Or at least most people who use it, use it as a VST rather than a music production studio...People buy reason to use it's own inbuilt sounds, plus you could buy refills iunstead of using other vstis or tweak the crap out of the presets to make new freaky sounds. Do you expect Hypersonic or Korg Legacy etc. (which are also vst's) to allow other vsts to hook up with them?? That sure ain't happening right now ! It's a bit like saying that Battery sucks because you can't rewire Redrum into it or The moog softsynths are crap because you can't rewire a sample player into it and use the sample players sounds solo or merged with the moog... (still, some of this stuff could be HOT if it were to happen) If propellerhead were to make a product that incorporates Reason with an audio recorder then I'm sure vst support would be included, but the market already has acid, FL, plus the usual suspects (cubase, sonar, logic, samplitude etc) so commercially I doubt it would be worth it. If you could only buy one tool and didn't own sonar, cubase already etc. then sure, FL would give you decent sounds, mixing + audio so would be a better choice but if you own Sonar, Cubase etc already then FL doesn't add much spice to your setup, duplicates many functions (some would say to a lesser degree) and reason's soundbank, synth, effect and drums rewired make a powerful tool.
orgasmotron	Date: March 25, 2006 @ 4:27 PM actually reason isn't a vst, its a standalone program, which is why you have to rewire it into audio hosts instead of just loading it in a channel.
leedsquietman	Date: March 25, 2006 @ 9:44 PM Yes it is a standalone program but many people use it extensively as a vst, so it is a standalone program and a vst. Most people who already have a good sequencer/audio recorder (i.e. Cubase, Logic, Sonar, ProTools etc) use it's functionality as a vst prominently to access the synth sounds, sampled sounds and drum sounds, rather than using Reason as standalone.
leedsquietman	Date: March 25, 2006 @ 9:54 PM Actually I think I need new medication because orgasmatron, you're right that audio needs to be rewired into your DAW although cubase etc can control the midi in Reason. I just get defensive about reason because I love it's sounds and especially redrum, so apologies for spouting BS !!! I have nothing against FL as a program, GREAT works have been produced by creative mins using it - it just seems to attract a number of dufuses to it because it offers fairly easy to use tools like looping and beat slicing etc that a minority abuse (use the same presets over and over again) and think because they cut and pasted a few preset loops that they are now a legendary producer !!! If you could only have one music software, then FL IS a better choice than Reason because it allows audio recording but Reason's sounds and drums are awesome...
Ataxia2	Date: March 26, 2006 @ 1:01 AM Dude... I hate reason.I mainly hate the piano roll on it, but there are many other things I hate about it. Main thing I do love about both of them is putting them together. I make songs using both the user friendly and rave-able fruity loops, and use cool synths and pads using reason.
EchoMinor	Date: March 26, 2006 @ 2:39 AM yeah FL Studio does sometimes get a bad name due to so many people using it to "yo check out my mad beats!" i only use it to add instruments into the backing tracks i make aside from guitar and bass. going to buy a mandolin so FL is even more less used compared to accually instruments played by me.
upfront	Date: March 28, 2006 @ 3:10 AM it is definatley a fruity loops ting .reason is poop
leedsquietman	Date: March 28, 2006 @ 7:09 AM Reason's strength is it's soundbank, drums and synths- like a rack of virtual synths. It is not designed as an all in one digital workstation/recorder. Many people who diss Reason are those who cannot play a keyboard and rely on sampling and loops. Which is fine, but if you opened your mind, took some time to hook up a midi keyboard and play with some of Reason's amazing sampled sounds and or synths/drums etc. then you might think differently as to how useful a tool it is, rather than focusing on it's most obvious weaknesses (does not record audio or include a beat slicer unless you bought Recycle and run the cut down Reason Adapted) If you play stuff in with a keyboard then you don't need to worry much about the piano roll. If you learned to play midi drums or even step program Redrum, it gives you way more versatility and control than cutting and pasting a few drum loops. For it's money Reason offers 2 virtual synths (subtractor and malmstrom) which cover a variety os sounds, an excellent sample player (NNXT) for all your pianos, eps, rhodes, horns, strings, bass, whatever sounds, amazing drums in redrum, decent effects in 2.5 and 3.0 and the ability to do a LOT with rewire. You could buy 2 virtual synths, a drum machine and sample player but it would cost a lot more and not be available in one program.
upfront	Date: March 29, 2006 @ 3:07 AM i can play the keyboard . reason is shite
jimbobber1985	Date: March 29, 2006 @ 11:37 AM YES!!!!^^^
shadowself	Date: March 29, 2006 @ 11:46 AM You guys can keep your FruityLoops. I love Reason.
shadowself	Date: March 29, 2006 @ 11:47 AM And BLUE is better than ORANGE!! Orange is SHITE! It's POOP!! Yo yo yo BUY MY BEATZ!!!!!!!!!!!!
jack	Date: March 29, 2006 @ 12:44 PM Reason 3 rules for live stuff, too
rokzroom	Date: March 29, 2006 @ 8:14 PM Shhhhhhhhh.
imemine	Date: March 29, 2006 @ 8:37 PM Personally, I prefer apples to oranges. But that’s just me.
orgasmotron	Date: March 30, 2006 @ 8:29 AM froot loops are hellah better then trying to chew through those virtual racks 'nd cables. so crunchy and colorful.
shadowself	Date: March 30, 2006 @ 8:56 AM Better to YOU. It's all about preference. I just prefer a 32-bit application that allows me to create non-repetative music.
shadowself	Date: March 30, 2006 @ 8:57 AM I would also like to be able to spell repetitive.
hantu	Date: March 30, 2006 @ 9:00 AM "that allows me to create non-repetative music" Its YOU that allows YOU to create non-repetitive music, not the app.
shadowself	Date: March 30, 2006 @ 9:52 AM Okay, I should rephrase that: "Makes it MUCH EASIER to create non-repetitive music".
leedsquietman	Date: March 30, 2006 @ 1:25 PM so WHY is reason sh*te? I could say that FL is shite because of all the beats spammers who cut and paste a few loops, call themselves 'producers' and continually spam this site with 'mad beatz for sale' or 'yo homiez, git yo doper dope beatz, wussap broz' etc. But I know of people on this site who use FL appropriately and make some great music with it, so I won't go down to that level - in the end, it's the workman not the tools that makes something sound good or bad. If Reason isn't for you then fine, go and buy a bunch of other softsynths and drum machines (instead of redrum, which even many devoted users of FL admit is one awesome drum machine) Saying xyz is shite without substance shows a lack of reasoning and intelligence, IMHO.
iOrbit	Date: March 30, 2006 @ 6:40 PM I will simply end this discussion by saying: Little sound dj Yes thats right. Bow down to its greatness. BOH!
shadowself	Date: March 30, 2006 @ 6:42 PM Leeds: There's no lack of Reasoning in my house!
shadowself	Date: March 30, 2006 @ 6:55 PM In case anyone is interested, my original songs "Bright Side", "Lost In An Alley", "Just Another Year", the Falkner cover "My Lucky Day", and the Kevin Gilbert cover "Water Under The Bridge" were done almost entirely (except for vox and guitar) with Reason. Reason is quite versatile. Many people use it for techno/electronic stuff, but I don't. I won't put down FL, as I have not used it for a few years and don't have the experience with the newer versions to give an honest review. I don't normally use loops, as I am an experienced keyboard player and like to program all my keys and drum parts in realtime on my keyboard, with some tweaking and quantizing later. FL seems to be great for people who work more onscreen with loops and pattern programming, while Reason is more of a hybrid which incorporates both loop-based music and realtime playing. The sequencer part of it is not as good as SONAR, but it's adequate. The sounds, however: wow. Right out of the box, there are stellar orchestral and piano samples, as well as a couple of AWESOME synths: Subtractor which uses subtractive synthesis and the Maelstrom which uses "graintable" synthesis for some extremely cool, and ever-changing sounds. I was trained in a studio, and I like being able to hit that tab key and having all the wiring there to patch anything into anything else. The patching is half the fun of Reason. It's perfect for the geeks like me who love to experiment - the possibilities are infinite. But again, it's all about preference and what you want to use it for.
leedsquietman	Date: March 30, 2006 @ 9:45 PM shadowself : "I don't normally use loops, as I am an experienced keyboard player and like to program all my keys and drum parts in realtime on my keyboard, with some tweaking and quantizing later. FL seems to be great for people who work more onscreen with loops and pattern programming, while Reason is more of a hybrid which incorporates both loop-based music and realtime playing. The sequencer part of it is not as good as SONAR, but it's adequate." Ditto. (except use cubase/nuendo instead of sonar). You don't have to be a trance producer or The Prodigy to use Reason, it's just a collection of sounds, synth and drums after all, I mostly play rock and alternative stuff. There's no lack of 'reason'ing in my house either !! Interesting that the person who says reason is 'shite' (and advocates FL) has one posting that sounds like loops cut and pasted to a big extent (possibly with a sprinkling of performed piano, but could be samples for all I know) so that has all hell quantized out of it and could well have been generated by a computer for all the soul/feel it has.
tsand19151	Date: March 30, 2006 @ 9:49 PM ...Reason Rocks for me as well...........
orgasmotron	Date: March 31, 2006 @ 5:48 PM REASON IS BUTTERY GOODNESS. i just hate sequencing in it. hence combining both. everyone is happy.
EvalLin	Date: April 2, 2006 @ 3:32 AM At some point most programs, or even expensive Synths, don't match up to real intruments, but people like them because they sound unnatural, which is interesting to the ear, so I think both are good, it's kind of like purple elephant's, there not real, but it would be interesting to see one...
jof1029	Date: April 2, 2006 @ 5:43 PM ive never used reason, so i cant really comment on it, but i do get annoyed at people who just use preprogrammed loops in FL. i really just use it to add extra instruments to my music, but i write everything in the piano roll and never use that preprogrammed stuff. i mean, come on, if you arent actually writing out the parts, is it really your song? you have to work out what you need instead of just finding something else that works. i just love having access to any sound i want and to be able to write a part using that sound. if reason can do that just as well or better, i should probably look into it.
upfront	Date: April 4, 2006 @ 4:30 AM agreed you have to write your own stuff as what the fucks the point . I write all my own stuff and and have messed about briefly with loops just to see and did not like it .if it aint your own it is shit.
djkaritsu-flp	Date: June 9, 2006 @ 7:07 AM lol i try to prove everyone wrong on aspects of FL i love it and to prove listen to my stuff i make everything in FL only hope that helps
djkaritsu-flp	Date: June 9, 2006 @ 12:37 PM yes diffinatelly make your own stuff using loops meh im not fond of that technique wait tahts not technique but Fl's Piano roll is awesome
jimbobber1985	Date: June 9, 2006 @ 1:09 PM I think because its called Fruity LOOPS, it gives people a lot of preconceived ideas about the program. The only loops i ever use in FL are drum loops but then i slice em up and mess about wiv em so in the end it aint a loop anymore. The main thing that people i talk to who have Reason go on about is its drum machine so im thinkin about gettin it and rewiring it into FL (a la orgasmotron) for drums. The beauty of FL is that its a workbench. You put the tools on it. Also its very simple. Thats beautiful too.
leedsquietman	Date: June 9, 2006 @ 5:20 PM Reason has awesome drums, either by programming them in the awesome Redrum drum computer (step programming or midi programming), or loading up loops in Dr. Rex loop player, or combining both...
jack	Date: June 9, 2006 @ 5:27 PM It's not just good for drums though. I sequence all my songs entirely in Reason, and the (limited, yes) synth units and samplers it provides offer plenty of options for tweaking. Just my two cents.
leedsquietman	Date: June 9, 2006 @ 5:48 PM Yes, even though I mostly play rock/alternative stuff, I use Reason and it's sounds heavily, I particularly like the samples piano/eps/strings etc (can be tweaked up a treat) and the malmstrom synth. FL is also a good program that can make great stuff, it's just that some people don't get past cutting and pasting a few preset loops with it, so they are not maximising the potential of the program.
yann333	Date: June 10, 2006 @ 3:27 AM Point 1: The sound of REASON is better than FL. Evidence: I tried to export an aif file from REASON to FL for comparsion, while for the same wav file, REASON sounds more full and better. Point 2: The sequencer of FL is better than REASON. Everyone ever tries both programs will understand what I mean. The sequencer of REASON really sucks and inconvenient. It makes me stay with FL.
leedsquietman	Date: June 10, 2006 @ 9:01 AM Since I own Cubase SX, I can do sequencing in that and rewire the sounds in Reason. Reason's sequencer is not too bad once you get used to it BTW - but the piano roll is a bit annoying compared to FL.
mechanicaltimi	Date: June 11, 2006 @ 9:26 PM They are both good. I use FLP6.0 but I used to use reason, 1.1 but never bought 2.0 because I didn't see a justifaction for it. FLP is great for all songs. From my experience, Reason is BADASS for electronic anything, and its not bad at other styles. But... for 350ish dollars, FLP is absolutely a necessity if you want to reduce your studio size and have still have high quality stuff... Look at a couple my songs, theres a big contrast there, but they are all made using FLP and Audition. (Only hard ware I have anymore is a Nice SoundBlaster card, and keyboards plus guitars of course.)
Bluenevus	Date: June 23, 2006 @ 9:40 PM I have both. I like the quality of reason. I like the fact that the it looks like the analog synths. I play the piano so I midi in and its fine. But, I make mistakes and it is much harder to click away in reason's piano roll than it is in FL. I like Reasons analog familiarity but FL is pretty easy to use. I wouldn't say one is necessarily better than the other. Each as its strengths and weaknesses.
Fraser	Date: June 27, 2006 @ 1:51 AM I dunno... I dont like how in all music software, the controls look like actual knobs. The reason they're knobs on hardware is because its easier. I'd prefer numbers or a slide on software (Preferably numbers). I dont like how the companies try to simulate hardware. You just cant get the accuracy sometimes with the bloody knobs
hantu	Date: June 27, 2006 @ 4:00 AM hahahaha! they can be annoying sometimes, but then again, if everything was numbers instead, that could be crazy maybe a editable popup on the nobs
EvalLin	Date: June 28, 2006 @ 5:57 AM if you mean is the program reason better no...it differs from person to person...now maybe the idea of reason is better that fl...because our current notion of reality is based off our ablity to reason...?
atulshukla	Date: July 11, 2006 @ 6:43 PM FL studio is like sky is the limit... If u plugged a right plugin u will get the sound u want....
magictrax541	Date: July 22, 2006 @ 2:20 AM I've messed around with reason, but seem to make better sounding beats with FL 6 producer edition and steinbergs hypersonic...I also agree with previous statements, FL's standard some are weak.
bLINK2005uk	Date: July 22, 2006 @ 12:02 PM Well u know ejay is the brown sauce dad of this argument . END OF TOPIC
Tumzza	Date: July 23, 2006 @ 7:01 AM Without any experience of the two,i heard from my friends,Man fruity loops sound needs more refining its far from real.But the composing is more user friendly than reason..Just the enterface says it!!