DMusic.com | for indie musicians and fans | Free MP3 music downloads - Forums: The General Forum: why do you think you should define what good music is?

Forums > The General Forum

why do you think you should define what good music is?

bastardo23	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 12:31 PM really, who are you, and why do you think you have the skill and expertise to tell what is good?
sinai	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 3:15 PM good music too whom?!? everyone defines what is and isnt good music to themselves if someone else wants to listen to their opinion, so be it, if not, so be it
milladrive	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 5:30 PM I think I know what bastardo23 means. All too often, we hear people say some music sucks, as if it's fact. As if they themselves are the authority on what's good and what's not. I'm someone who thinks there's no such thing as "bad music," but is such a thing as "music I don't like," so I often call people to the carpet when their statements reek of factual opinion.
BedroomSessions	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 6:00 PM i get your point. but there is such thing as bad music. sorry. there is. i made a point of using as many full stops as mossible here......
BedroomSessions	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 6:01 PM .....possible.....
milladrive	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 6:28 PM And who decides what's "bad"?
Thaspian	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 7:30 PM I agree. Last year, I was listenin' to some CD and this kid asks if he can use my CD player for a minute or two since he was bored. We had a sub for this class, which means sit around for 40 minutes doing nothing, unless you feel like tearing the room apart. I say "the last track's the one I was listening to", and I get "oh, ok, I'll tell you if it's good or not." Who would he be to tell me if it was good or not? Would I be listening to it if _I_ didn't think it was good? And secondly, if I liked it, and he didn't - I'm the one who likes it, and he's not the one listening. I am. If I'm the only person utilizing the music, why would any other opinion than mine matter?
Thaspian	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 8:05 PM i get your point. but there is such thing as bad music. sorry. there is. i made a point of using as many full stops as mossible here...... Albeit what I said above... this goes for William Hung.
woodhead	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 8:16 PM Hey it is all good, simply because you dont like does not mean it "sucks" you just dont like it IMHO
milladrive	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 9:18 PM woodhead has the right idea. ...and so does Thasp, even if he negates his whole point with his second post.
Thaspian	Date: May 31, 2004 @ 10:45 PM I have limits, ya know.
Emoceon	Date: June 1, 2004 @ 2:20 AM well personally if my ears start to bleed...than i'm probably listening to some pretty bad music....although im sure there are some strange people who are into that...
100thmonk	Date: June 1, 2004 @ 2:55 AM have you ever actually seen that?(emoceon) hey some people don't like gruyere, does that mean it is not good cheese. if ya don't like it, get the cheese your used to.(i'll bet most people live in a mozza & cheddar world which is kinda too bad, the worlds full of all kinds of different cheese, and if you can stand a little adventure and the occasional pungent stench, the rewards can be magnificent.)
Intergalacti...	Date: June 1, 2004 @ 8:06 AM Yeah I hate it when people do that. For e.g on the 'Is Punk Dead' thread Deadlock and a few others have been arguing that punk music is 'crap' and 'sucks'. This is not fact this is his opinion but he is gettin all worked up because someone disagreed with him. Emoceon, is that weird though? No one can say that people are weird because of what they are into. If they wanna cut their ears then let them who's to say its weird? What gives us (the human race) the right to even consider what weird is. For all we know we could be the only 'humans' in this entire galaxy and every other planet could have the same race of 'aliens' on it. Now I'm not sayin what I just said is right I personally think that what I just said is utter bull shit but what gives me the right to say that?
BedroomSessions	Date: June 1, 2004 @ 10:22 AM yeah but if someone served up a pile of shit sprinkled with monkey urine and dried sheep sick...would you like it? and my mum says half the taste is in the smell
BedroomSessions	Date: June 1, 2004 @ 10:23 AM oh and intergalactic...have you been cutting your ears again? BAD BOY!!!
bastardo23	Date: June 1, 2004 @ 11:01 AM well sessions.. your arguement is very valid to a point.. unfortunately the worst elements in out world have been perpetually using this kind of "logic" to justify the most hideous shit. as a matter of fact, i don't doubt that "a pile of shit sprinkled with monkey urine and dried sheep sick" would suffice as a description for any food someone thought they did not like. we're not trying to have a discussion about whether killing people is bad... we're maybe trying to discover what other people respond to though, and i think we just get a little confused. it is a huge presumption, that what we "know", is the same as "knowing" what others "know". "knowing" is limited by the actual experience we have with a given subject. so, as an example sessions, your arguement would be skipped as some sort of evidence, because we all seriously doubt you know that eating a pile of shit sprinkled with monkey urine and dried sheep sick, is a bad thing. it's a humourous sort anecdote, but not evidence. oh, in case you didn't know, Van Gogh cut his ears cuz he went nutty over some broad. Was he wrong? do any of us have any reason to say he was wrong?
BedroomSessions	Date: June 1, 2004 @ 11:36 AM i was speaking literally about the pile of shit sprinkled with monkey urine and dried sheep sick. noone would like it. i was just pointing out that to an extent it is possible to judge whether music is good or not. the difference is being able to tell someone truthfully when their music is rubbish, but at the same time not letting your opinions get in the way. ie. i dont like punk so this is a pile of shit. thats just wrong. im assuming this thread was started in response to my earlier one on worst band ever? i just find it interesting to hear different opinions, it would be so dry and boring if noone had their own opinions on things!
jimiceanal	Date: June 1, 2004 @ 12:05 PM all music is subjective. end of story.
BedroomSessions	Date: June 1, 2004 @ 12:12 PM next edition of the book. i guess its all based on opinions anyway, without different opinions it would suck. i think in a way everyone has a right to say what is good or not, in their opinion to answer your question. my main objective was to make the thread more interesting, everyone was just agreeing with eachother, like yeah i can appreciate all music and that crap. i really dont think thats true
bastardo23	Date: June 1, 2004 @ 1:27 PM right on bedroom. i didn'[t really doubt that u were just airing your feelings. the thread definitely was not started as a response to your thread. it is a response to absolutism i.e. noone would like it... i don't think you can say that about everyone..(i'm joking and serious at the same time). your opinion is yours, don't presume what you know as truth is the same as what others do. there is no time for you to make that presumption. this is just the first place where communication breaks down. how can you speak of eating the pile of shit sprinkled with monkey urine and dried sheep sick, if you never have. unless my deduction that you have not is wrong, in that case how does shit taste, i've always wondered, but i never had the moxy to eat it...
thought-fox	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 8:57 AM Well ... I believe that there are areas in the brain which receive the music and know when something has gone off key or whatever, and so they send out a sort of pain signal which says "this is shit!" so it's not entirely a matter of taste. Matters of taste are prefering a genre (jazz rather than rock). But really, there is loads of stuff which connects music psychologically and biologically with the natural rythmns of the body, and bad music just jarrs on those. Good music shouldn't be too predictable in my opinion. It's all very well to be lulled in a nice comfortable place, but I like to be surprised, receive little zaps of pleasure through listening. all day!
bastardo23	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 10:50 AM very much appreciated fox, but, again, these ideas of "natural rhythms for the body" and "bad music" are subjective...(i.e. for some, a rhythm or tune may be attractive, whilst for others it may be aversive.) and for that matter the only way that Good music shouldn't be too predictable can function, is if we release our senses of what we think is good.. otherwise everything becomes all too predictable. new information is something we have never known before.
thought-fox	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 10:57 AM It's not though. When speaking of the biological, we all have pretty much the same heart rate, you can't be subjective about that. I'm not talking about what's 'attractive' but what clashes with the senses.
bastardo23	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 11:22 AM no, but when coming to a discussion of what music has "natural" rhythms it is merely a construction to say it is bad music. what rhythm is unnatural... as a matter of nit-pickey linguistic fact, the word unnatural is a spent technology. unnatural, would convey, outside of nature.... what exactly can you describe which is outside of nature(as we know it today)... haha... information, and unpredictabilities..
BedroomSessions	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 12:05 PM i cant get hold of the monkey urine, damn it. you should get together with some people to try out the others, its an experience
kingo	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 12:11 PM thought-fox: even going "off-key" is a subjective thing. Something that sounds jarring to western-trained ears won't necessarily sound jarring to others. Furthermore, whether or not something is attuned to natural rhythms or not doesn't dictate whether or not it's "good." Some people like things that aren't attuned to those natural rhythms, that intentionally disturb those rhythms.
bastardo23	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 12:14 PM i've seen gg allin do it(minus the monkey urine), but something tells me that that dudes idea of fun was just not my personal thing, so i'll just skip out meeself.. but thanks for the suggestion bed.
bastardo23	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 12:30 PM yes thank you too halaka, most non western scale systems have a number of other tones for their scales, which fall out of the standardized western tuning. a perfect example of this fucking up would be, the first standardized book on irish harp playing.. i cannot remember the author, maybe you know of the book i'm speaking of. anyway, he was a brit if i recall correctly, and he decided to analyse and codify the harp music of ireland into one volume on the subject. but in doing so, he took no regard for the subtleties of tuning, and squashed the notes that were outside of "equal temperment" into his scores without even so much as a note on there accuracy or even which ones may or may not have been in "equal temperment". consequently, what was thought of as a wonderful musicological work, is quite tainted by the presumptions of western tuning(also called equal temperment.) oh yeah and bout odd rhythms being unnatural, has anyone listened to balinese music? amazing stuff, but i've heard people respond to it's rhythms as if it were going to uproot them from reality.. very unnusual musical system, unlike anything anywhere in the world.. there, it would be considered very uncool to tune your band the same way any other band is tuned.. neat eh..
Intergalacti...	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 12:39 PM Even if somethin is off-key why don't people like jazz thats 'on-key' Now I agree with you somewhat with the whole natural rhythms but why do we have this utter urge to say somethin is crap when its clearly talented. I'm in a band with many people like that. And why is popular music always better than the more talented music. I know I go on about this guy a lot but when Jamie Cullum and his band play all the harder than average jazz chords and rhythms on the drums and bass lines that could make even the craziest man add a whole new meaning to the word crazy, he is considered rubbish compared to the more popular less talented four power chords throughout the entire song punk band or the more popular open string-drop D tuning throughout the entire song death metal band. It all obviously has to do with being stubborn and not giving new things a chance. This relates back to maybe a parent issue or maybe where people grew up, BUT (I know I'm gettin borin) then why do I (someone who lives in not a well off place but a 'nice' decent house) have more respect for varied types of music than someone who is well-off and considers music as his life? Even though I have growin into a family of music lovers and music players.
BedroomSessions	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 12:51 PM and in conclusion, everyone listen to jeff buckley, hes a legend. grace is the saddest album ever, most of all because it shows the kind of stuff he would have been producing NOW had he not drowned really felt like plugging the guy!
DevonPowell	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 2:58 PM Interpretation is as individual as a snowflake (ah, poetic). Intention, I believe is key. Calling something "Bad", "good", etc...does that MEAN that goes for everyone, or the writer/person making the criticism alone? The answer: Could be. There's probably more than a few people who will agree with the writer of a critique, and then there will be those that won't. Just because 10 people say a song is "shit" doesn't mean there aren't 10 other people who think it's "THE shit". I think it's all about intention, especially around here and particularly regarding comments on others music. If it's clear your intention is to rag-out on someone, vs. helping someone consider different ideas, you will come across as either a know-it-all #&!#er, or someone who really wants to see someone grow musically and be of assistance in that journey. Best I can do here is relate my own personal experiences: I've listened to many songs here that some wouldn't consider, IMO, to be "good" and call it such. However, I would state differently: I'd say that I just don't have an appreciation for that particular artists' song(s). This doesn't mean the song(s) are "bad", just that I don't particularly care for the mood it creates, the tones/sounds/visualizations,etc. Most of the time, I won't comment on these, because it's a personal difference between myself and what the artist is trying to convey. "Personal" meaning it's MY issue, not the creators. However, there may be times where I feel like I can offer ideas that might be of interest to the artist, regardless of wether I can appreciate the music or not, and if they are open to it, maybe they will think about the critique and take something from it. Intention.
Intergalacti...	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 4:13 PM Is it a good intention or a bad intention. If you are to comment on someones music/art then you should be willing to see that however bad it is or good that it is someones heart and soul been poured into it. When I comment on someones work I don't say I dont like this type of music so I'm gonna say its shit I say something like the following; 'Now I'm not hugely into this kind of music, for some reason it doesnt appeal to me but for someone who enjoys this kind of music I would like to hear more of whatever and whatver.' See the point is whatever kind of music someone composes then you should give them some credit because even writing words/lyrics/poetry is hard enough and then for a musician to imagine these words spoken/sung with music behind it is incredible. No matter what kind of music you like, no matter how influenced you are by one thing, artists are talented even to imagine a piece of music with a melody over the top even if its played badly or sung even worse, they obviously have a wide enough mind to see what they want to hear. Bringing it altogether is the technical bit of it, and if someone is no good at playin piano for example just say to them 'your piano part is a bit sketchy and i think you could practice this more and improve it' theres no need to be mean about something like that. Thats how wars start.
milladrive	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 4:28 PM Adding qualifying words to a statement can help define an opinion clearly. Examples: "That music sucks!" or "I think that music sucks!" "That music is truly bad." or "I don't care much for that music." See the difference.
Intergalacti...	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 4:54 PM Yeah theres definite difference there, and the second ways of sayin things are not as harsh.
dicktruth	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 6:10 PM There's not so much good and bad as there is what you like and what you don't like. If I don't enjoy a band, I will call them shit but that doesn't make it so. There's always someone who will like a certain type of music, which in my opinion makes it good music (if a band has fans, there must be something positive about them). Did that make sense?
100thmonk	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 6:28 PM aiieet dick!
100thmonk	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 6:34 PM oh yeah, Is it a good intention or a bad intention. the truth will suffice for me. i can tell whether its useful to me, and if there is another motivation behind it anyway. it's just a drag to have absolutists running around, expecting people to agree with them for no reason beyond the fact that it's what they believe... sometimes being burned just once is all it takes for someone not to put there hand in a flame again. so burn me if you think i need a little heat!!
Traf	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 7:44 PM You can aquire a taste for anything if you allow yourself too... My first pint of guinness tasted like crap but I love it now.. I'm necking a brandy at the moment and it taste lervly, but if I gave it to a 2 year old, they'd spit it out... It's just the same with music...
Emoceon	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 8:14 PM THERE is GOOD music THERE is BAD music...thats all there is to it....and besides....this topic shouldn't even be discused...its like asking IS THERE A GOD?...its never going to be resolved within a group..its just up to you....
100thmonk	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 10:48 PM its never going to be resolved within a group..its just up to you. finally hit it emoceon, but the reason that it needs to be up to you is because there can never be a consensus. you cannot hear what i hear, ever... thusly it would appear that there is no good or bad music, outside of what an individual knows about themselves. it is an observation of personal truth to say there "is bad music", not a staement of actual fact. when something is, that means that there is no other alternative than "is not". you ought to try some of milla's suggestions.. you might find your life a bit more interesting and flexible. no matter what the appearance, there are always more alternatives than two.(even though we seem unable, or unwilling to find them)
100thmonk	Date: June 2, 2004 @ 10:54 PM what is it your trying to resolve anyway, the original question is why do you think you should define what good music is..? not whether or not good music may exist.. really folks, how is it people go around using this type of absolutist language? it's a slippery slope, full of presumption and ignorance.
Traf	Date: June 3, 2004 @ 4:34 AM oh...
Intergalacti...	Date: June 3, 2004 @ 6:21 AM Yeah but just comin back to what dick said, 'if a band has fans isn't it good music' Dance music has a lot of fans, and although it is always catchy and good to dance to or whatever, are they good songs? Is the artist even known? If the RIAA choose a hot model to sing and she can't and the song is clearly not very good. Then how is it so popular? If theres no talent behind songs how can it be anygood is what I'm tryin to put accross?
dicktruth	Date: June 3, 2004 @ 6:29 AM I dunno, I suppose dance fans aren't into the musical side of music, such as melodies and choruses and what have you. Generally a beat and a simple lead line would be enough to get someone on the dance floor. A good song to most dance fans (and most fans of pop music in general) is something that is easy to dance to. I don't like being called 'Dick'
Intergalacti...	Date: June 3, 2004 @ 6:33 AM Sorry dick, uhh I mean dicktruth Yeah ok its good ENOUGH to dance to but is it actually good music is what I'm asking. Is there enough talent in it to call music.
thought-fox	Date: June 3, 2004 @ 7:32 AM I was trying to take the discussion back to basics by saying there are receptors in the brain that know when they hear a bum note. It's bum notes and poor musicianship that set off the discomfort alarms in the brain. This shouldn't be confused with musical preferences which ARE subjective. Those receptors in the brain work on all kinds of music from all kinds of cultures, nothing to do with the western key etc etc. I can listen just as well to exotic musics or wild, experimental jazz pieces with pleasure. It's that very unfamiliarity which adds to the experience. Ancient tribes when they first starting knocking on hollow logs and making noises in their throats surely started to choose which noises were more pleasurable than others. In this way we get harmonies ocurring naturally all over the world. Certain members of those tribes would have been singled out as 'better' than others at making those noises. So what I was trying to say, halaka, about the rythmns of the heart, was probably badly chosen, but was because I was answering bastardo, (and by the way, bastardo (I love saying that name!) I can't see where I ever used the word 'unnatural'?) when he said those receptors in the brain were still subjective. I can't see that they are because they are instinctive. There are sensitive egos to consider when commenting on this subject, because 'bad' music goes hand-in-hand with 'bad' musicianship. But not hitting a note right doesn't mean that a musician is past hope. Far from it. I've heard some 'bum' notes on some sites, but recognised that the singer is a really good composer and lyricist, so I give credit for that and don't dismiss them. Just as when I write and can't find the right word, use a 'bad' word that doesn't convey what I'm really trying to say. That won't make me throw my pen away if someone points that out to me. We as artists should be learning and growing all the time. But I think there are some people in the world who aspire to be something they are just not equipped to be. I know a guitar teacher who is a very good teacher and is really admired and respected by his pupils. The majority of them come every week and have 'grown' musically all the time, they have picked up the techniques he shows them and practiced, and are a real joy and pleasure to him. But there will always be one or two who also come every week, with whom he has to leave the room, he says, and hit himself about the head to distract himself from the pain of listening to them 'trying' to play. But what can be said to that aspiring (perhaps deluded) person? If they want to try and learn, they should be given the opportunity. I think if something is produced with genuine intention, it deserves an interested ear, just like we would watch our children in their first school play and applaud them even though they forget half their words and trip over! But I end with stressing, there are biological receptors in the brain which tell us when something is wrong, just as our eyes might when we look at animals in formaldihyde and try and convince ourselves it's art. We can assure ourselves the creator is an artist, try and search for 'meaning', appreciate invention, skilled handcraft etc, etc, but at the end of the day the brain says, "I'm uncomfortable with this".
kingo	Date: June 3, 2004 @ 7:44 AM Thought-fox: I hear what you're saying. But here's my point: even if we grant that there are universal responses to certain sound combinations, there are still going to be some people who enjoy those responses and others who don't. Some people look to art to make them uncomfortable, some don't.
thought-fox	Date: June 3, 2004 @ 8:37 AM I agree absolutely. I like to be surprised by inventiveness and experimentation, but back to the topic, not by poor musicianship.
Intergalacti...	Date: June 3, 2004 @ 9:11 AM Yeah it ahs to have somethin appealing not just the fact that it sounds different because of the sheer music destroying sound. Which brings me back to dance music lol
bastardo23	Date: June 3, 2004 @ 11:00 AM It's bum notes and poor musicianship that set off the discomfort alarms in the brain. nothing to do with the western key etc etc. I can listen just as well to exotic musics or wild, experimental jazz pieces with pleasure. But I end with stressing, there are biological receptors in the brain which tell us when something is wrong. (you have put your meaning onto these ideas, you cannot prove conclusively that there is some kind of consensus about this.) thought-fox, i think halaka is just being nice. there is no reason to "grant", (other than being friendly) that there is any consensus here.. the topic is not abt who is a good musician, or why.. but rather, what qualifies you as the expert to decide good from bad etc. now on that topic, you have not justified your personal perspectives on this at all. you have just re-iterated your personal view, and essentially voided other perspectives in the process. i.e. your pleasure could be anothers pain etc, like halaka pointed out. to concede to his statement is to concede that there is no general consensus...
kingo	Date: June 3, 2004 @ 12:11 PM Furthermore: Some people like art/music BECAUSE it's amateurish. "Outsider Art" and "Found Art" are very appealing to some people. A song that includes blemishes and mistakes can be much more engaging (to some people) than one that's shiny and polished and "professional" sounding.
bastardo23	Date: June 3, 2004 @ 12:13 PM HALAKA!!
thought-fox	Date: June 3, 2004 @ 1:21 PM OK guys. I was ust having a go at a discussion. I thought I had a valid point. Looks like I'm playing on the motorway with juggernauts. I'll go and find a thorn bush to curl up in.
bastardo23	Date: June 3, 2004 @ 1:44 PM don't go that way fox.. if i was tossing rocks, i didn't intend to hit you... oopsee..
BedroomSessions	Date: June 3, 2004 @ 1:50 PM this truly is a pointless discussion. there is no right, wrong, good, bad i guess. it really is all subjective. bad playing i believe makes something bad, in my opinion? but i think 98% of people will agree with me on that...there are certain artists you listen to on here and you have to stop because halfway through you think HOLY CRAP I CANT TAKE ANYMORE OF THIS. and lots of other people have done this. i usually dont comment on this unless its seriously appalling- and admittedly i canbe a dick about those sometimes. thats just the way i am, i speak my mind.
bastardo23	Date: June 3, 2004 @ 2:18 PM presuming that your clear about that, and your not claiming some kind of absolute knowledge of what is good, cool. question, do you think 98% of dmusicers would find something they didn't like, or do youthink 98% of dmusicers would agree with you about what is good or bad? do you see the distinction i am seeking here?
BedroomSessions	Date: June 3, 2004 @ 2:23 PM yeah i was talking about them agreeing with me. on the songs that are a pile of shit. lol
bastardo23	Date: June 3, 2004 @ 2:37 PM
Traf	Date: June 3, 2004 @ 7:53 PM If I like a bit of music then it's good music as far as I'm concerned.. In my head, that's how I would define good music... If I didn't like it why would I think it was good music? Don't we make our own definitions as to what is good music? Isn't good music just good music? I can't help it if I like good music can I? All the good music I don't like is only good music to someone else... Hope that's cleared it up for everyone..
thought-fox	Date: June 3, 2004 @ 7:56 PM Clear as fog Traf! I just think there is 'bad' musicianship. After that everything is MUSIC and it's personal opinion whether you like it or not. End of story. Goodnight. And please can I have a brandy?
100thmonk	Date: June 3, 2004 @ 9:22 PM I just think there is 'bad' musicianship thanks fox.. this is way different than your initial statement... i presume you understand the nitpicking as a poet yourself..
thought-fox	Date: June 4, 2004 @ 7:47 AM is good, nitpicking can be fun. I'm a woman, so I can change my mind unpredictably! But seriously, this has been interesting, maybe I've learnt something? (Not to get in deep water with the big boys)
BedroomSessions	Date: June 16, 2004 @ 11:57 AM ok everyones going to hate me for re-opening this argument :haha: but i was having a thought while i was having a wee earlier, thinking...if as some people argue all music is subjective and noone can say any music is 'bad' surely that doesnt give us any right to say that any music is 'good'. for example i may say the beatles are a 'good' band and someone else disagrees, so ultimately they are not a good band on this basis. it gives no differentiation. does anyone agree with this? sorry guys....
kingo	Date: June 16, 2004 @ 2:40 PM You're exactly right. "Good" is just as subjective as "bad."
YaBoyDrew	Date: June 16, 2004 @ 5:59 PM good comes from the heart
kingo	Date: June 16, 2004 @ 6:57 PM "good comes from the heart." Then where's bad come from?
BedroomSessions	Date: June 16, 2004 @ 7:14 PM from your ass
100thmonk	Date: June 16, 2004 @ 10:48 PM i think the point of indicating the subjectivity of these terms is mainly to try and remind ourselves that what we think is not what others think. all perspectives have their subtle differences. for that matter the simple fact that our nervous system lay between our mind and any given event, makes us never in the present. so it is a bit of a wonder that we can come to some idea that we appear to agree upon. myself, i like to remind myself as much as possible that the idea of consensus is very unlikely. i don't really care if something is good or bad unless there is some sort of basis beyond mere personal opinion to claim it, like abhorent recording quality, or hateful lyricisms for example. (again this is merely opinion, but at least it would clarify the basis upon which the judgement was made, making a claim of knowledge into some sort of mild form of information.) as you can tell i love having this subject revisited.

Post A Reply
From:	guest	(Icons - Linking)
Post: