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moam	Date: July 19, 2004 @ 4:21 AM I'm not quite sure if there has been a topic about religion but I guess I'm going to start one even if there is already one made... So I'm not a religious guy. Infact, I almost hate religion because of the fact that it has brought me nowhere but down... I fell in love with someone who I deeply cared for and found out that we couldn't be together or even have a shot at dating all because she is mormon and I am not. I used to have atleast a little faith but now I hate it all. Also, I have not once seen any sign or proof that something such as "God" exists... But I must say that I really don't know what the afterlife is like or what happens when we die. Anyways, I just want to know everyone's view on religion because that really interests me. I don't mean to offend anyone's beliefs or anything but...yeah. Enough said.
Cryxan	Date: July 19, 2004 @ 5:00 AM Oh yes, we have religious threads from time to time. Sometimes they die a quick death and sometimes they turn into flamewars fueled by those whose conflicting beliefs are more important to them than their desire to get along with others. Since you ask... I don't buy into any organized religion and I don't believe in mythical beings. But I won't argue with anyone to try to get them to see it my way because there's absolutely no point to it. :]
Cryxan	Date: July 19, 2004 @ 5:01 AM Wait, why is this in "Complaints"?
SoulBeats	Date: July 19, 2004 @ 5:13 AM Because mormons are evil?
Cryxan	Date: July 19, 2004 @ 5:35 AM lol.. I thing General is a better place for it.
rapidhopeloss	Date: July 19, 2004 @ 6:23 AM I'm a Mormon. And I'm not evil.
rapidhopeloss	Date: July 19, 2004 @ 6:40 AM So there
fighterpilot	Date: July 19, 2004 @ 7:42 AM lol...yeah, its the way the world works. ppl need sum1 to plead to "save them" when they're in deep need, otherwise where will the world be without hope? ppl would just commit suicide, kill freely and the world would be fucked up indeed. as if its not fucked up already, religion is just part of the madness
Svensta	Date: July 19, 2004 @ 8:49 AM Yes, the human race seems hardcoded, through some psychological/emotional fault to be predisposed for religion. What's the old saw? "If God did not exist, then man would have created him." Pretty accurate, completely accurate, depending on who you ask. We DO have religious threads, and they usually get cranky fast. As for mythical beasts, I think I believe in them. Right now there is a pixie named Jameson's Irish beating my head with a rubberized mallet
onewhodreams	Date: July 19, 2004 @ 11:09 AM I believe in God and I believe in his Son But I'm not going to argue with anyone about it
kingo	Date: July 19, 2004 @ 12:47 PM We have faith there is a plant. Proof is our faith. Faith is our proof.
moam	Date: July 19, 2004 @ 1:37 PM Oops about putting it in the wrong forum. At the time, I thought of religion being a complaint. But yeah, a good friend of mine explained that asking where the proof is in religion is like evil or something. She said that to have faith is to have hope that there is a god and that when you die that you will live on with him or something. That makes sense. It's just hard to believe in something that you think hasn't helped you your whole life or shown itself to you, you know? I guess I need to see to believe...but oh well, keep your thoughts coming.
djfacemachine	Date: July 19, 2004 @ 1:50 PM ah religion... i think religion can be really great for a lot of people. many people need something to believe in to keep them going. a lot of individuals also (maybe unfortunately) need to believe in religion to keep them from running around raping and pillaging pirate but for most relgious people i think the main benefit they get from their faith is being able to know that somewhere, somehow, something is going to make sure that they are ok. unfortunately, religion can also cause a lot of harm. there probably isn't anything i dislike more than a religious fanatic. if someone believes strongly in something, fine, that's great and i'm glad for them. but why try to FORCE that onto someone else? how will forcing their beliefs onto someone else make that religion any better for themselves? many many many people have died in wars which were started over religious beliefs, and to me, that seems pretty unnescessary. so, religion is really good if it's what you need and if it gives you a sense of wellbeing or a reason to do some of the things that you do. religion is really terrible if it makes you feel as if people who don't share your same beliefs are wrong and should be forced to have their minds changed to agree with you and if they don't agree they should be punished. for me personally, i'm not religious at all. i like to do things because they make me feel good for doing them. when i don't steal (rape or pillage) its not because i'm afraid of being smote by an vengeful god, but because i feel i'm doing the right thing. on top of that, i'm one of those people that would need more proof of some higher being. also, i tend to be more scientific in my thinking and it seems to me that things which happen can be justified by science. disclaimer: while i am not religious myself i do not in any way wish to offend anyone who is. i believe that religion is a good thing for a lot of people and if someone believes in a higher being i would not attempt to disprove their faith or convince them that they are wrong.
sinai	Date: July 19, 2004 @ 5:39 PM doesnt matter much in the belief side anyway, i'm inclined to think that any God that existed would judge us on our merits in life, not whether or not we really worshipped our asses off or not.
sinai	Date: July 19, 2004 @ 5:39 PM damn double wording
imemine	Date: July 25, 2004 @ 9:56 PM “Religion is the opiate of the masses.” Karl Marx Huh, Huh, any takers?????
sinai	Date: July 25, 2004 @ 9:59 PM Dude that guy sucked big sloppy dicks!! You should be ashamed!!!!
sinai	Date: July 25, 2004 @ 10:00 PM no...no...wait...that was RICHARD Marx...umm...sorry bout that dude
Cryxan	Date: July 25, 2004 @ 10:04 PM The Marx quote is an overgeneralization, but on some level, I agree with it.
Izekial	Date: July 26, 2004 @ 5:39 AM So God cock blocked you... sorry to hear that. Most people here are not religious, just so you know. I am, but the topic usually doesn't get much further from what you see in this thread. I tend not to discuss it. Religion should be shared, not preached. It's in our mythology. Those who don’t wish to hear or learn of it have the right not to, as those who pursue it have the right to dig. My only advice to you would be that you should approach it as a personal issue, something you could learn about for yourself... or hate for yourself. Either way, preaching isn’t always welcome. I know some pretty outspoken atheists, and they’re just as annoying.
imemine	Date: July 26, 2004 @ 2:56 PM This is a viscerally volatile subject and I hope not to anger anyone but I feel that it’s a good topic to talk about for the sake of possibly seeing a different perspective. (And then having a great big group hug!) I fail to see how we can “over generalize” Karl Marx’s quote. It is what it is. I am a religious (or should I say spiritual) person but I will keep those beliefs to myself for the sake of this forum. Religion is pure and may hold different interpretations for all people. Organized religion can breed abuse due to ones association of interpretation and the subsequent assumption of power. I think that Marx’s quote speaks to the abuse of religion. Some people use religion as a crutch to not go out thinking for themselves and live life. Others use it to manipulate. Here are some prime examples. Bombing abortion clinics. An “eye for an eye” to support the death penalty. “Spare the rod and spoil the child” to support child abuse. Israel and Pakistan (I’m not taking sides) Britain's War in Ireland (I’m not taking sides) And speaking of opiates, Bin Laden’s war against the U.S. using Islam as an excuse for killing (Islam is a peaceful religion, Just ask Yusuf Islam , formally known as Cat Stevens). Further more, if the organized religious zealots in the U.S. have their way (you know who you are), we will increasingly accelerate the cramming down the throat of their religion to the entire galaxy. The list goes on for centuries. This is nothing new in evolution of tyranny. We have been stoning and clubbing each other to death in the name of my Gods better that your God since the beginning of time. Now the tools of destruction have gotten better and the divisiveness more intense. When will it end? And if there is a God, does he approve? Mine doesn’t! How about yours?
silverwolf121	Date: July 26, 2004 @ 4:47 PM All i can say is i guess we'll all find out if theres anything out there when we die,of course we'll be dead so its not like we can go and tell everyone. I believe that there is a higher power...God, fate, Isis, The Greenman, Aries, whatever. Whom or what ever you worship or believe in is your right to do so. I happen to mix my Catholic and Wiccan belifs togther. This works for me. It floats my So religion, in whatever form is cool, as long as its not Heaven's Gate cult or drinking poisen Kool-Aid or dying in a terrorist strike for Allah, thats a whole different kettle of
sinai	Date: July 26, 2004 @ 8:58 PM God, by the way, really enjoys white wine spritzers
jess1561	Date: July 27, 2004 @ 2:49 AM Religious quotes first... "If you take the Christian Bible and put it out in the wind and the rain, soon the paper on which the words are printed will disintegrate and the words will be gone. Our bible IS the wind and the rain." -Herbalist Carol McGrath as told to her by a Native-American woman. "The only devils in the world are those running in our own hearts; that is where the battle should be fought" -Gandhi "Where shall we get religion? Beneath the open sky, The sphere of crystal silence surcharged with diety. . . The midnight earth sends incense up, sweet with the breath of prayer--Go out beneath the naked night and get religion there." -Sam Walter Foss "Nature and Religion" there probably isn't anything i dislike more than a religious fanatic. Also known as a "fundie" but why try to FORCE that onto someone else? Christians call that "witnessing" But they don't persay "force" it on you... they just try to get you to turn to the light and be "saved" Either way, preaching isn’t always welcome. I know some pretty outspoken atheists, and they’re just as annoying. So true, Izekial! Some people use religion as a crutch to not go out thinking for themselves and live life. Others use it to manipulate. Couldn't have said it better myself! Now... The thing about discussing religion is to remember that it IS personal to some people. One should not bash a religion they have never taken part in, nor should one push their religion in such a discussion. ...
Woof	Date: July 27, 2004 @ 3:39 AM Well, since the question is "what's your faith", I'll reply that mine is Christian, with the qualifier that I have no faith whatsoever, in organized religion. Communion with God is a beautiful thing... perhaps the most (oh and I hate this word) awesome... thing I've experienced in my life... however the work of the church (and I've been involved with several variations) always seemed to be more involved with man's work and interpretations, than God's. Lots of judgment, and lots of politics, and lots of popularity contests. I hated it.
JohnnyBB	Date: July 28, 2004 @ 12:35 PM Steve Winwood man! Bring me a higher love! deet deet dee doot Bring me a higher love, ohhhh ohhh! deet dee deee doo I love that song. I'm not sure it applies really, but the lyrics kind of sound like its a religious type song. As for religion in general, I'm about as easy going a Christian as you'll find. I don't believe in proslytizing to people who aren't open, if people are looking for something they'll find it. The only thing that gets my goat, is when the knowitalls from other religions or atheists get in my face when I'm just trying to have a good time man. Even atheists rely on a faith in science. In the end, theres faith, or theres nihilism really. I'm very open to the theories of God through science as well. But all science is based on a faith in what your eyes see through the microscope and what your ears hear from the scientists who came before you. Most of the science that comes into conflict with religion is theoretical science. I stopped subscribing to the teachings of the Old Testament long ago, and since then have had no problem reconciling religion and the natural world.
imemine	Date: July 30, 2004 @ 12:11 AM “The question is not whether God is on our side. The question is whether we are on God’s side.” – Abraham Lincoln