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About Heaven

invocati	Date: April 4, 2005 @ 7:59 PM Everybody wants to go to heaven... But nobody wants to die to get there!!!!! A paradox to say the least.
sinai	Date: April 5, 2005 @ 1:04 AM i'll go anywhere that serves free jello shots...
onewhodreams	Date: April 5, 2005 @ 1:08 AM You'd shoot up with jello??
Hatsy	Date: April 5, 2005 @ 8:19 AM Has anyone ever almost been there? Like an out of body experience or something, like those people who nearly die and see the bright light ahead of them and then someone brings them round on the operating table?
Svensta	Date: April 5, 2005 @ 9:13 AM I can't help but think half of those experiences are really just the doctors and nurses holding a cardboard tube up to a paitent's eye while on the operating table. You know,those great big surgical lamps and all....
wardaforce	Date: April 7, 2005 @ 11:45 AM "Everybody wants to go to heaven... But nobody wants to die" One of my favorite lines by Peter Tosh. Along with. "Birds eat it."
kingo	Date: April 7, 2005 @ 1:06 PM Uhm. If I knew that by dying I'd get to go to heaven, I'd have absolutely no problem wanting to die to get there. Assuming heaven were really bad-ass. I don't think that's so much a paradox as a not-paradox. Most people who have faith that they'll get to heaven after this life also believe they've gotta do a buncha crazy shit here before they're guaranteed a spot. THEN there are the terrorist-type guys who believe they'll get to heaven by blowing themselves up; and they go right ahead and blow themselves up, so they obviously want to die to get there. So the whole thing's gibberish, I reject the premise. Amen.
BOWILLIE	Date: April 7, 2005 @ 3:34 PM after looking at recent space photos of earth...i have come a realization that there is no ...up there ..as in heaven..every thing is contained on this lonely ball we call earth. so maybe the hindus have it right by the reincarnation belief..everything is reprocessed and redone so as every soul can achieve nirvana..just a thought..being as there are billions of souls and billion of lives to understand..that could take eons...
GTLive	Date: April 7, 2005 @ 8:24 PM You die You go into the ground To fertilize the earth Another person is born The population stays the same The race moves forward As nature intended This is heaven Simple, except for that human nature being selfish wanting to live forever as an individual thing. We are masters at self deception too, look out.
onewhodreams	Date: April 7, 2005 @ 9:38 PM "Most people who have faith that they'll get to heaven after this life also believe they've gotta do a buncha crazy shit here before they're guaranteed a spot." No, no, no... God says come as you are and just believe. "You die You go into the ground To fertilize the earth" ...and your soul/spirit has two choices of where to go, which, during your life, you made that choice. "Simple, except for that human nature being selfish wanting to live forever as an individual thing." I certainly would not want to live forever on this earth, but from what I understand and believe Heaven to be, eternity is something I look forward to.
sinai	Date: April 7, 2005 @ 9:48 PM i doubt it can get much worse than this earth sometimes, but as for the after, i'll just enjoy my little pieces of heaven i have in this hell, live my life to the fullest and most enjoyable that i can, and let my merits as a person speak for me when i'm gone. heaven or hell, i'll make it worth it either way.
imemine	Date: April 7, 2005 @ 9:48 PM “after looking at recent space photos of earth...i have come a realization that there is no”………………… intelligent life on earth. If we really want to have this discussion, we must first sit down together with a big ole jug of whiskey! Otherwise we get nowhere! Then when it’s solved, we move on to politics!!!!!
onewhodreams	Date: April 7, 2005 @ 9:55 PM
leplume	Date: April 7, 2005 @ 10:13 PM Hmmm...heaven....politics...yeah, pass the whiskey!
BOWILLIE	Date: April 7, 2005 @ 10:17 PM yea! whiskey politics and religion..nice combination..leave the guns at the door....
GTLive	Date: April 7, 2005 @ 10:20 PM I wasn't talking about any of that stuff! I thought this was the Bio thread!
imemine	Date: April 7, 2005 @ 10:30 PM Yes indeed---check the guns and bring on the banjo players! YeeeeHaaaa!!!!!.....pass that jug over here and lets pick the next Pope! Then we run him--(or her-Yea RIGHT) for President. And then we vote on the next Dog......opps, slightly dyslexic... I meant God. wants to shoot gun into air but remembers checking it at door
zedsalt	Date: April 8, 2005 @ 1:06 PM They've actually weighed the human soul, lifeforce, chi, whatever you want to call it...the huge bundle of energy that leaves a body when it ceases to function. There is so much damn-nigh weightless "energy" there that it weighs in at around three-quarters of an ounce!!! Imagine how much light it would take to weigh that much, how much electricity... I've never found whiskey conducive to good decision-making (is whiskey what informed the whole Pope/President combo idea?). On the other hand, if that big puff of white smoke that announces the selection of a new Pope...if that ISN'T documentation they're burning, well...
jordanthegreat	Date: April 8, 2005 @ 1:18 PM twenty-one grams
DevilsBadDau...	Date: April 8, 2005 @ 1:23 PM I don´t belive in heaven or something like that(I think that the "hell" doesn´t exist,too). And I think the "bright light at the end of the long tunnel" is just a try to explain the experience of nearly passing away. There´s a simple biological explanation to answer this "tunnel" question but I don´t wanna hurt somebody(if I wrote it down in this thread) cause everyone has the right to belive in whatever he/she wants... just enjoy you´re life cause you have enough time to think about those "tunnel" things when you´re dead
kingo	Date: April 8, 2005 @ 2:18 PM "Whiskey don't make liars, it just makes fools. So I didn't mean to say it, but I meant what I said." - James McMurtry
jordanthegreat	Date: April 8, 2005 @ 2:21 PM 21 grams is the weight of the soul! want to know the weight of an ounce? 28
noimportantone	Date: April 8, 2005 @ 4:39 PM If you die and go to Heaven, Earth is the only Hell you will ever know. If you die and go to Hell Earth is the only Heaven you will ever know. 21 grams of truth.
onewhodreams	Date: April 8, 2005 @ 4:45 PM Nice one noimportantone
jordanthegreat	Date: April 8, 2005 @ 6:11 PM yeah i just watched the movie man
Hatsy	Date: April 9, 2005 @ 5:25 PM You don't know anything before you are born and I think that's what it may be like when you die, just one long notihng that you don't know anything about, but I'd like to think it was heaven...
Hatsy	Date: April 9, 2005 @ 5:26 PM I always make typo's on my pivotal words Make that 'one long nothing....'
jordanthegreat	Date: April 9, 2005 @ 6:28 PM yeah that's possible, but what isn't?
zedsalt	Date: April 10, 2005 @ 1:41 PM Ever since he learned to speak, my nephew (now 7 yrs. old) has been claiming to have known things "from before [he] was even bornded" (sic) Who am I to argue?
sinai	Date: April 10, 2005 @ 5:22 PM exactly the attitude i take zed. for all i know, Jesus is dancing the can can with Lucille Ball's ghost in an abandoned factory in Detroit right now. i'm not there looking to be 100% sure he's not, so who am i to swear he isn't.
Hatsy	Date: April 10, 2005 @ 7:07 PM Sinai!! It's a wonderful thought....
zedsalt	Date: April 11, 2005 @ 12:34 PM With what I've been given to understand about Heaven and how one gets there, I just figure that if there's something I'm doing or have done that I think would hurt my chances, I need to address that issue NOW, regardless of what may or may not happen when I die...hopefully many, many years from now, in a comfy bed, with a full belly, accompanied by a good woman who is just as crazy about me as I am about her. And for those who think/feel you can only get the Keys to the Kingdom from a single source in a singular manner, I'm sorry, but I just CAN'T see bigotry as a virtue. No matter how much people have tried to pervert the big messages of all the major faiths (even while the prophets were around to dispute it), they all say the same thing about religious diversity. I'll use a Judeo-Christian version, if you don't mind; it's what I was raised with: "As is each individual need, so is My [God's] image".