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shadowself	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 11:29 AM " id="217262">Got a website and want to use it to DO GOOD? Check out http://www.explorerdestroyer.com I have installed the script on my site at the most extreme level: Internet Explorer users can no longer access my website. If you want to see how it works, check this out: http://clarkemcmurray.com If you are using a non-IE browser, you will get a boring white page with a link to my real site (I'll be making this look nicer later), but if you are using IE it will display a page stating that the site is not compatible. There is a button on the right which will take you to a location where you can download Firefox. Help spread the goodness.
kingo	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 11:35 AM That sort of just helps to keep people off yer website, it seems to me.
K3VIN	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 11:54 AM sick site.. but i dont see waht the problem is with visators have ie?
shadowself	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 12:09 PM That's fine - the site's just a personal one. All my music is here. My goal is to help stop the spread of spyware and viruses that plague Internet Explorer users. Some people need a kick in the ass to switch, and if they care enough about seeing my site, this may be the kick they need.
GeneHilbert	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 12:19 PM I don't know Dude, I would very much like to access your web site, but I won't stop using IE in the foreseeable future. I can see you argument here, but I would never deny millions of users’ access to my web site for philosophical reasons….
Exdavid	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 12:20 PM I use both IE and Mozilla. IE is convenient and Mozilla is all different and some options seem to be missing but it's damn stable. IE is like sex without a condom so you are just asking for problems.
Exdavid	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 12:27 PM so basically your just making money? I think I gave you a few dollars. What about other browser?
shadowself	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 12:43 PM Internet Explorer users can be as much as 21 times more likely to end up with a spyware-infected PC than people who go online with Mozilla's Firefox browser, academic researchers from Microsoft's backyard said in a recently published paper."" id="217280">I work in the Internet industry, and I have been using Firefox for years now. There have been ZERO pages in over a year that that I have had to use IE for. Exdavid, which options in Firefox are missing? There is likely an extension to take care of whatever you need. Gene, I am not denying anyone access - I am denying access to Internet Explorer. There's a difference. If someone really wants to see my site, they can download all 4 megs worth of Firefox. It does not conflict with IE if you choose to keep using it, it's just smaller, safer, and faster. The layout is basically the same, as is the functionality. It's just missing the security holes. It deals with HTML according to W3 standards, unlike IE. Maybe you would never deny visits to your website, but we're very different people. Your browser choice is your prerogative, but I just think that people need to start opening their eyes to the dangers of using Internet Explorer. http://www.informationweek.com/windows/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=179102695 "Internet Explorer users can be as much as 21 times more likely to end up with a spyware-infected PC than people who go online with Mozilla's Firefox browser, academic researchers from Microsoft's backyard said in a recently published paper."
shadowself	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 12:44 PM And yes, I make one dollar for every person who downloads and installs Firefox (not per page visit) - but I woulda done it for free too.
shadowself	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 12:48 PM I you think I am doing this just for the few dollars I may make, you can download Firefox directly here: http://www.getfirefox.com
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 1:19 PM IE sucks ass. It always has. Why people stick to it so rigidly, maybe because they just think "it will never happen to me"... well it "happened to me" that's why i wont use it unless i REALLY have to. One horror story doesnt sway ppl, just tell em how in 2004 some malicious site dropped a keylogger trojan on your pc and stole your CC details... Opera, Firefox, Mozilla... miles ahead.
shadowself	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 1:21 PM There is only a 1 in 10 chance it has NOT happened to you. "The overall trend shows that 90 percent of all consumer computers have spyware... http://www.technewsworld.com/story/42844.html" id="217287">ChillinBuzz: maybe because they just think "it will never happen to me" There is only a 1 in 10 chance it has NOT happened to you. "The overall trend shows that 90 percent of all consumer computers have spyware... http://www.technewsworld.com/story/42844.html
shadowself	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 1:23 PM And this is exactly why I am doing this.
EvilPicnic	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 2:23 PM Your intentions are good, but I don't particularly like the way you're trying to force us to change browsers by not letting us enter your site until we switch. Yes, perhaps firefox is better than IE, but I don't like being pressured, in any way. And knowing that I can't view this website is really annoying, in a niggly way. For some odd reason knowing that I can't see it has made me really want to. I resent that. [Grrrr....]
shadowself	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 3:11 PM I am not forcing anyone. If you feel pressured, you do not have to visit my site. It's like telling me I am forcing you to download an mp3 player because I do not post my music as WAV files. If you really must visit my site in your swiss-cheese browser, add "/index2.html" after my domain name.
shadowself	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 3:14 PM Also, you can continue to use Internet Explorer as well as Firefox. The two browsers co-exist quite happily. Picture it this way: my personal website is like a club for non-IE users (Opera, Safari, etc. will work on my site). Using another browser is like getting a membership. What I am resenting is how people are hinting I run my own site.
EvilPicnic	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 3:25 PM ^^But don't you? You made the decision to bar IE users from your club. Doesn't making decisions based on personal preference like that imply that you run it? Hey man, my post was tongue-in-cheek. This probably has spurred me to get Firefox, something I've been thinking about doing for a while. But that doesn't mean I have to be appreciative. I don't like being spurred to do things.
TonyV	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 3:27 PM I'm taking your advice half-heartedly at the moment. I have several websites for work that require IE, but I'm trying Firefox for personal browsing.
K3VIN	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 3:28 PM shadow do they ip race that stuff.. cause i can download that shit 1000 times if you want ... split the profits
kingo	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 3:34 PM You can't resent that, you're not allowed. You opened the can of worms yourself. I had a friend years ago who did this EXACT SAME ALMOST SAME EXACT ALMOST thing. The only difference was he hated Netscape (pre-Firefox, obviously,) and so he forced everyone to use IE to view his page. I didn't like it then either. I'm not saying you should do anything different, as it's your page and you should run it how you want. I'm just saying... I'm not actually saying anything. Halaka.org looks horrible on IE. I hate IE. I just figure if people want to view the site on some horrible ass of a browser, they can go ahead. OH AND HEY. My little PDA/Cellphone/Gadget runs windows CE. I can't get firefox for that. I'm forced to use whatever the hell version of IE comes with it. So YOU WON'T SEE MY GODDAMN PDA/CELLPHONE/GADGETTHING VIEWING YOUR TOO-GOOD-FOR-MY-ASS WEBSITE. So there.
8111	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 5:02 PM Iwhen I saw the thread title, I thought this was ging to be about old Ibanez guitar Explorer-copies...
shadowself	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 5:14 PM EvilPicnic: This probably has spurred me to get Firefox, something I've been thinking about doing for a while. But that doesn't mean I have to be appreciative. I don't like being spurred to do things. Tough love, buddy. Tough love. K3V, I get a buck if someone downloads and installs it. Even if I could, I don't want to cheat the system. That's not why I am doing this. I am sick of spyware. I am sick of viruses. I am sick of people bitching about the effects of them. I am sick of family dumping virus-infested computers on my lap to fix. I am sick of customers blaming my company because their computer runs like ass because they use a spyware magnet browser. I am not forcing anyone to do anything. You don't have to go to my site, and you'll notice I have posted a way to view my site in IE in an earlier post. It's a personal website with images, art, and links to here - you're not missing much. I would not do this with a business site, or any site I want a lot of traffic to or revenue from. And I hate Netscape. But I don't care if other people use it, because it's not a spyware/virus magnet. So I am indifferent.
Veracohr	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 7:44 PM If you somehow got every IE user to convert to Firefox, people would just spend more energy finding things to exploit in Firefox instead. It doesn't matter what you use, someone will want to screw you over somehow.
TameasDust	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 7:54 PM IE 7 is coming out soon but only if you can prove that you have a legal version of windows on your computer ... if it finds that you don't it will put a popup on your screen and in your taskbar that says you don't ... IE 7 is supposeed to look almost like firefox but not work as good
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 7:56 PM Firefox was derived initially from Netscape - although it's true that they mostly rebuilt it pretty much from the ground up. And it's also true that Firefox is waaaaay better, faster, more streamlined than Netscape. For people who are worried that Firefox is going to become the new IE as it's market share grows and people start attacking it, there are other browsers such as Opera that are not spyware-magnets, are secure, fast and follow coding protocols without Active X etc. I have used IE about 3 times in 2 years, where sites would not open in Firefox and nowadays, I would mostly just avoid the site. Mostly any browser is preferable to IE.
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 7:58 PM Firefox was derived initially from Netscape - although it's true that they mostly rebuilt it pretty much from the ground up. And it's also true that Firefox is waaaaay better, faster, more streamlined than Netscape. For people who are worried that Firefox is going to become the new IE as it's market share grows and people start attacking it, there are other browsers such as Opera that are not spyware-magnets, are secure, fast and follow coding protocols without Active X etc. I have used IE about 3 times in 2 years, where sites would not open in Firefox and nowadays, I would mostly just avoid the site. Mostly any browser is preferable to IE. And Opera is available for PDA/cellphones and stuff, but they do charge a small fee for the pda version.
shadowself	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 8:03 PM Veracohr: If you somehow got every IE user to convert to Firefox, people would just spend more energy finding things to exploit in Firefox instead. It doesn't matter what you use, someone will want to screw you over somehow. Absolutely true - but they will have a tough time using those exploits to do the kind of damage they can do with IE. Not for lack of trying! Opera is an excellent choice as well. They have decided to remove the advertising from the free version - kudos to them. And: Mozilla for your cell phone. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
Israfel	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 8:04 PM shadowself..i love ya for your tenacity! kudos!
K3VIN	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 8:19 PM you know i was jokin.
twodimensional	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 8:37 PM Use Lynx!
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 8:39 PM oi, where's my graphics !!
kingo	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 9:41 PM Thanks shadowself; I'll give that mozilla a shot on my gadget soon.
AgentMGD	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 9:44 PM Mozilla is the best ...haven't used or updated my IE since installing Mozilla 2 years ago
Exdavid	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 10:14 PM Is there any browser that has keyboard shortcuts similar too IE or allows them to be changed?
shadowself	Date: April 28, 2006 @ 12:33 AM Here are Firefox's keyboard shortcuts in a chart with IE and Opera for reference. http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/keyboard
EchoMinor	Date: April 28, 2006 @ 4:27 AM whats so damn great about firefox anyways...have never had any issues using IE, just dont see whats so magical and great about it. i tried it once, it just looked like another browser
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: April 28, 2006 @ 8:02 AM Safer browsing, less resources on your computer, downloadable extensions for customization of look/feel and function, tabbed browsing, faster processing of some web pages, no Active X to be exploited by gremlins that install spyware in your computer without you even knowing and much more ! Or Mozilla or Opera or Seamonkey, heck even AOL or Netscape - use anything else and you'll have a safer internet ride with more features and less bloat.
zedsalt	Date: April 28, 2006 @ 10:43 AM I got rid of all the Mozilla software on my computer. I considered going through the effort of finding, deleting, and if need be, replacing just those parts of the package related to their "BFast" coding for hiding data miners from sites that paid off Mozilla, but that sounded like a lot of work...
EchoMinor	Date: April 28, 2006 @ 3:51 PM well i've been using IE sense the beginning and i have never gotten spyware, adware, or any other garbage from it. and i'd know sense i am overly paranoid of that sort of thing and check often. only time i got spyware was from downloading kazaa. its obviously not enough less resources sense when i used firefox for a week i saw no major difference. sometimes i think firefox is just becoming the trendy browser to use instead of IE. IE works for me.
shadowself	Date: April 28, 2006 @ 6:59 PM OK, you're onto me. I use Firefox because it's trendy. Yup, I like to keep up with the trends! All that information and those links to security tests above - all balderdash. I made all that up. I just want to look cool because I use Firefox. I use it because I like the look of the logo.
shadowself	Date: April 28, 2006 @ 7:00 PM Your Department of Homeland Security is pretty damned trendy too.
jess1561	Date: April 28, 2006 @ 7:40 PM IE is shit. And I don't really feel like telling you why I use firefox ...
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: April 28, 2006 @ 9:42 PM http://secunia.com/product/11/ This industry used and approved provider of security alerts currently considers 101 security holes in IE6 with 21 unpatched compared to 30 security holes in Firefox 1.5 with only 4 of those unpatched. Make sure you keep the anti-virus/ anti-spyware scans regular FourCalendar. I understand it's what your used to and convenient and does the webpage browsing aspect as you want it. If you want to stay with it make sure you get all the patches and keep those spyware/virus scanners running regularly. Firefox is no more trendy now than IE once was back in the day when everyone was using Netscape. Agree that you shouldn't base your choice of browser on 'trandiness' - the reason I use firefox with opera as my second browser is because I have seen too many people who weren't as lucky as you including my wife that used IE and it contributed to massive spyware/trojan problems and yes, some of this was ignorance on their part but when you get spyware in, with IE it multiplies like rabbits breeding by downloading and installing stuff through a back door with no alert it is doing so - opera, seamonkey, firefox etc are not prone to this you will get pop-up alerts and warnings at least and some spyware that calls home silently through IE because it uses IE specific Active X controls just cannot happen in any other browser.
shadowself	Date: April 28, 2006 @ 10:33 PM I'm sorry, but the idea that people are going with Firefox because it's trendy is possibly the most ignorant idea I have ever seen on the subject.
Veracohr	Date: April 29, 2006 @ 2:21 AM I use Firefox, but I think I'll point out it's biggest drawback: it takes FOREVER to start (comparitively). I like it because I like the look best, I like the tabs, and I like the built-in pop up blocking. But it's got a couple issues, at least on Mac, right now, that have been there for the past few revisions, and haven't been addressed. I kind of get the feeling the quality will sink more and more with it, but that remains to be seen.
shadowself	Date: April 29, 2006 @ 8:48 AM Firefox takes about 5-7 seconds from a cold start on my machine. Yep, it's a bit sluggish. IE will start faster, and I am wondering if that is because it's already pretty much running due to its integration with Windows. I am satisfied with it otherwise. If the quality starts to slip, I'll just move to Opera instead. But nothing short of a gun to the head will get me using IE again.
Veracohr	Date: May 2, 2006 @ 1:55 AM On my Mac OS 10.2.8, it takes about 20 seconds or more before it starts and fully loads Yahoo. But that may be partly my computer.
ChillinBuzz	Date: May 2, 2006 @ 7:36 AM Firefox isnt so heavily tied to the OS... from what i believe. and we all know how insecure Windows is... as for this IE7 authentication crap, you KNOW it will only take someone a few days to patch that so why do they bother??? Firefox on my machine is about the same speed as IE to open, maybe a second or two slower, not surprising considering i have a half dozen extensions and a 5 page long bookmark list. The only thing FF gives me an issue on is my Yahoo Mail, it has a habit of crashing the browser at some point after i close the mail page.. still does it even after reinstalling, so i pushed my Yahoo pages over to Mozilla. job's a good un. As for Non-IE/Non-FF websites... yep... some degree of flexibility must exist so that users wishing to explore can still at least interact with that site
AthenasGhost	Date: May 7, 2006 @ 12:34 PM Was this just a way of advertising your site? lol jk But thats amazing dude, I use Firefox BTW!!
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: May 7, 2006 @ 6:18 PM Remember that IE is always running or the explorer.exe part of it is and people never include this in resource hogging overtures - this is also partially why it is a millisecond or two faster at opening. Even if you run another browser explorer.exe will be running as IE is tied to the o/s. Opera 8.54 is faster and uses slightly less resources than firefox when viewing 6 or less pages but also more pages don't load correctly in Opera and although it has some 'extensions' capability not as many as firefox and it isn't open code, plus some people can't get past the previous text-ads. Firefox displays many sites with lots of graphics faster and can be tweaked to load pages faster. It is all round a better and safer browser than IE. Of course, I recommend switching to firefox or opera but people will use whatever they please, telling people they are stupid to carry on with IE is like telling an obstinate smoker that cigarettes are evil cancer sticks, so they bleat on about freedom of choice etc. and are less likely to convert when people keep bugging them. Also firefox uses less resources typically than opera and IE if you have 8 or more tabs/pages open.

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