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Tallisman	Date: December 30, 2006 @ 12:34 AM Saddam Hussein has been hung. The Iraqi people are arguable no better off. Weapons of mass destruction have yet to be found (unless you are looking at the US and at N. Korea and ___________) Weapons of mass propaganda are rampant. and, how do you feel? Boogiewityabadself!
mocarlton	Date: December 30, 2006 @ 1:55 AM umm.. well i heard about it at a family dinner... and i think the iraqi people are gonna be angry... but with no leader.. there are going to be more casualties of "the war of god" so ya... i think it will all settle down soon
leedsquietman	Date: December 30, 2006 @ 2:09 AM The Kurds and Shi'ia will be deliriously happy in Iraq but the Sunnis who make up about 50% of the population are mostly pro Saddam. More insurgency and deaths will surely follow. More innocent people and American and British troops will die. I hope that their deaths will not be in vain and that things will progress for the better but I'm not sure. I have 2 cousins in the army out there being shot at right now, so my prayers are being saved for them this New Year.
GeneHilbert	Date: December 30, 2006 @ 3:51 AM Oh yeah..... When were you in Iraqi? Take your ass over there and ask the Kurds and the Shi'ia how they feel about how much better or not they are. Don't assume.......... Know
ChillinBuzz	Date: December 30, 2006 @ 4:11 AM Well, now the reason for blowing the country apart is gone, how about we just get the f*ck out? The original job is done. And the armies that messed the country up in the first place aren't exactly putting the place back together.
leedsquietman	Date: December 30, 2006 @ 5:44 AM Saddam Hussein committed genocide on the Shi'ia and Kurdish people during the 1980's within Iraq, so as I see from news reports and people here in Canada who are immigrants or refugees having huge parties and information from my cousins on the front line, there ain't no love lost for old Saddam on the end of a rope...
GTOriginal	Date: December 30, 2006 @ 7:55 AM Saddam is one swingin' dude. Wouldn't wanna hang with him though. Tell you what they did this all wrong. They shoulda waited til New Years, then instead of dropping the ball... Hell I'd go to Times Square for that
BOWILLIE	Date: December 30, 2006 @ 9:31 AM dang me..dang..get a long rope and hang me.. up from the highest treeeee.. baby dont you weep for me..
BOWILLIE	Date: December 30, 2006 @ 9:33 AM aw nuts..i guess yahoo dont wanna share neck stretching picts
Tallisman	Date: December 30, 2006 @ 10:26 AM Leeds: i saw a report on CBC The National... it was several Kurdish people being interviewed. the predominent sentiment shared by them was disapointment that Saddam never offerd any apology for the crimes he committed against their people. One man had felt that justice was not served. That in fact jail would have been more fit (i guess a longer suffering). It is so amazing, the diversity of perspectives and opinions. BOWILLIE: I'm actually happy to not be gazing and any neck-stretching images. He may have done many ruthless and aweful things, but even the worst of the worst deserve an element of dignity in death - IMHO. cheers, Tallis
DeadraveN	Date: December 30, 2006 @ 10:36 AM I disagree. Measure for measure I say. Did the inhabitants of those mass graves recieve any digninty? The world is better off without Saddam in it, and I'm gonna start marketng a new style of pinata
Tallisman	Date: December 30, 2006 @ 10:52 AM they should have recieved some dignity. personally i tried to avoid amusing myself, or satiating a morbid sense of curiosity often appeased by perusing images of thier lifeless bodies littering streets and fields the rampant interweeeb for the eagre onlooker. I believe that thier dignity will come through the world's recognition of these atrocities, and our shunning of these types of behaviours. an eye for an eye - I know that i would mess that up and not really help any situation.
imemine	Date: December 30, 2006 @ 10:59 AM Ah yes---the ole two wrongs make a right theory!
GTOriginal	Date: December 30, 2006 @ 11:08 AM The very first sentence in this thread is rather disturbing. I mean the man was just hanged, so what difference does it make that he was hung as well? Except, maybe to a few camels and other misc field animals?
DeadraveN	Date: December 30, 2006 @ 11:54 AM On 30th Dec 2008, imemine said: Ah yes---the ole two wrongs make a right theory! says the old photo-shop pro ha ha ha
LegoBreaks	Date: December 30, 2006 @ 4:14 PM I guess It sucks to be a look alike bodyguard for Saddam
AceHenshawIII	Date: December 30, 2006 @ 4:40 PM On 30th Dec 2008, LegoBreaks said: I guess It sucks to be a look alike bodyguard for Saddam that would rather suck lol,hey werent you hanged? shit! it didnt work, DO IT AGAIN!
LostYears	Date: December 30, 2006 @ 4:40 PM u know this whole trial just made more problems than it solved... the trial itself was a fiasco with saddam and his lawyers frequently bein removed for contempt of court. and killing saddam publicly could solve problems, it did remove a leader but he hadnt been in a possition of power since before they pulled him out of that hole in the ground.... personally i think if they had just shot him there, covered the hole and not said anything about it this saddam thing woulda blown over a hell of a lot faster. but thats just my take on it.
GeneHilbert	Date: December 30, 2006 @ 5:10 PM Nope..... trial by peers + convicted of crimes + execution of sentence + confirmation = Dead Removing all doubt......
hate9wicket	Date: December 31, 2006 @ 12:43 AM lest ye forget...Saddam was a stooge and a puppet who outlived his usefullness. Yes, like Pinochet, I'm glad he's dead, but Iraq was not the proper place for a trial, and it seems his trial and thus the sentence rendered was expedited somewhat. The Hague would have been the best choice, we've managed to sweep our mistakes under the rug yet again.
imemine	Date: December 31, 2006 @ 9:07 AM On 30th Dec 2008, GeneHilbert said: Nope..... trial by peers + convicted of crimes + execution of sentence + confirmation = Dead Removing all doubt...... Will the Arab community see it that way?…….and the rest of the world? ……and yes hate9wicket---and interesting pattern we have going on with that. We once supported Al-Qaeda when we wanted to fight the Soviets! Looks like Rummy being awful chummy in that photo there. Is that a WMD in your pocket or are ya just happy to see me?
BasicBoy	Date: December 31, 2006 @ 9:22 AM he deserves everything he got. if it was up to me i would of given him a slow and painful death
Tallisman	Date: December 31, 2006 @ 10:16 AM did the Kurdish people get what they deserved? A formal apology? Any sort of restitution? The the Iranian people get what they deserve? Is Saddam now on the verge of becoming a martyr and therefore the causes for which he stood? It seems to me like he met his end with unfinished business. He is now dead, but has he atoned for his crimes, mistakes, for his evils? Or has the buck, here, been passed? one could argue the point that he never did get what he deserved, despite execution. he espoused some horrid ideology, which he carried to the grave--causing those who suffered under his rule to continue suffering. Did he not deserve to recant, repent, apologize, and atone before? just wondering. -t
zedsalt	Date: December 31, 2006 @ 10:54 AM No doubt, guaranteed life imprisonment IS a fate worse than death, but as long as someone like him is alive, his followers have some hope he could return to an active role as their leader. After all, people like that fall in and out of favor with powerful, stick-their-noses-in-everybody-elses'-business governments all the time. Would that position be a more powerful position than martyrdom, or less? Hell if I know, seems like a pretty close call to me. And I can't think of a satisfying, tidy way of doing away with someone like him. I mean, really, is there such a thing as "adequate" when it comes to apologies and/or restitution for the sort of things he did/had done in his name? I figure atonement and repentance are between him and his maker. I'm not suggesting we forget any of this, but we do have more pressing matters to address.
Tallisman	Date: December 31, 2006 @ 11:02 AM Interesting questions and thoughts here! I have done some victim mediation and healing circles in the past... nothing to this scale (obviously), but the healing process for the victims is often accelerated when attempts are made to apologise and when the oppressor/aggressor/tyrant asks for forgivness for their errant ways. As a member of humanity, I feel pain and disgust for what was perpetrated against my Kurdish and Iranian brethren. I would have liked to hear him admit he was wrong. And then send him to make things right with his maker.
cantillon	Date: January 2, 2007 @ 3:52 AM No mention of the regret western leaders must have for actively supporting Saddam while he committed the "crimes against humanity".... or for supplying him the chemicals with which to bomb the Kurds. No mention of why the video we got to see (at least in the UK) was SILENT. According to at least one Iraqi (who watched it with sound), people there view it as a propoganda exercise for the simple reason that the west's reporting of his words was essentially inaccurate.... lending strength to the view that the Iraqi leadership are GWB puppets. His death will have almost no effect on the political process (despite Maliki's requests) and no positive effect whatsoever on the level of violence ordinary Iraqis face day by day. Therefore, his death appears to be mostly irrelevant.
joycedavis	Date: January 2, 2007 @ 9:02 AM sadman hung aroung way too long. ---jd
Tallisman	Date: January 2, 2007 @ 11:17 AM booooo.
aflunky	Date: January 2, 2007 @ 11:44 AM I still think his hanging should have been done live on Pay-per-view. I could have done security (Knowing my boss, he'd probably would have had me escort him to the rope) and I would have done a great review on it. Oh well, can't make it to ALL the cool events...
Tallisman	Date: January 2, 2007 @ 12:11 PM see above.
zedsalt	Date: January 3, 2007 @ 10:46 AM Turns out that it wasn't quite as dignified an affair as they'd hoped, and I do think that's a shame...I mean, I'm quantifying that in my mind as I'm typing...an ugly sectarian breach of decorum vs. attempted genocide and all...but it is regrettable and worst, is bound to fuel more violence. I couldn't help but think, though, "So bad behavior at an official function was caught on a cell phone camera and sent all over? Well, if the goal was getting Iraq to look more like America..."
LostYears	Date: January 3, 2007 @ 11:06 AM i saw the footage of the execution and i thought it was some kind of hoax but i guess that was real footage... its a fucking shame, going thru all that trouble to rid the world of saddam and then tarnishing that hard work with something as distasteful as the execution turned out to be, i men did he deserve it, no i thik he shouldnt have gotten the acclaim that he did but to make him go in such a shameful way is just going to make him a martar and pour gasoline on the already burning fire of the civil war.
GeneHilbert	Date: January 3, 2007 @ 11:29 AM zedsalt.... Cheap shot
Tallisman	Date: January 3, 2007 @ 1:54 PM I agree with Zed and LostYears... the fiasco is disgraceful.
GTOriginal	Date: January 3, 2007 @ 5:03 PM I agree with the above ^ statement, only apply it to the entire Bush presidency.
Svensta	Date: January 4, 2007 @ 7:52 AM Saddam was a bad man, in that he was ruthless and cutthroat. It is dangerous for a leader of a nation to have those tendencies to an extreme. He actually kept the region fairly peaceful (from a global perspective) because he was a bloody-handed tyrant. You can't make much global-stage noise when you are terrified of Saddam's secret police coming for you in the night. Which is pretty much the crime they condemned him for, on a mass scale. He was a bad man who needed to be put down. The method (the trial and the farcical hanging and cell-phone video) was just another example of using the wrong tactic to fix a problem. The country should have never been invaded, merely had its infrastructure levelled. Saddam should have never been captured, merely shot like a rat in that spider hole they found him in.
Tallisman	Date: January 4, 2007 @ 1:51 PM I agree with much of what you had to say. My question: What was the point of capturing him? He has yet to show remorse. He has yet to offer an apology. So why did they capture him? How has justice been better served than had they just shot him on site?
cantillon	Date: January 5, 2007 @ 4:24 AM I don't think there was ever a single coherent point in anything the west have done to Iraq. Any reasons the west give change when they start to loose credibility. It's what children do when they're caught lying. From the WMD set to go off in 45 minutes, Saving the Iraqi people like some humanitarian crusade, installing democracy in the region, regime change (part of the US plan, but confusingly not part of the UK plan... apparently) and so on. When it started becoming clear that the WMD would never appear, we gradually went from a 45minute warning of almost certain death to "possible evidence of WMD programmes". Each time their nonsense is exposed, they think up some new nonsense and blame their mistakes on "intelligence". Anyone critical is damned as some sort of weak looser almost as though they were afraid their half baked plans would be exposed. Now the situation's become so bad in Iraq, the "masterminds" behind the appaling stupidity of it all are trying to blame the Iraqis themselves for not "stepping up to the mark". Meanwhile, in order to protect us from the consequences of their actions, our glorious leaders are slowly taking away basic legal rights - like being innocent until proven guilty, like protesting outside parliament, like being stopped AND cautioned under section 44 of the Anti terrorist legislation for wearing a t-shirt.... I wonder how we, as a nation can afford so many CCTV cameras to protect us from potential terrorists but we can't afford to train our junior doctors this year. Sorry, slightly off topic, but I get so wound up about it. Was there a point in capturing him ? I'm fairly sure even the most fervent neocon wouldn't have said "to lynch him", but I think the point went something like: "if Saddam is willing, he could be the best possible source on the location of any concealed weapons in Iraq." CNN - Dec 2003 At the same time Rumsfeld also claimed: "...one of the things that the Saddam Hussein family and his clique of intimates were doing is they were providing money to people to go out and engage in acts against the coalition and the Iraqi people, so that's ended." - That was over 3 years ago. And GWB said (to the Iraqi people): "This is further assurance that the torture chambers and the secret police are gone forever. You will not have to fear the rule of Saddam Hussein ever again." What he never mentioned was what would replace it. Unfortunately, if the only thing the west can do is keep coming up with sound bites, it's going to keep getting worse.. although I can't imagine how it could be much worse than it already is.... maybe if Israel attacked Iran that would do it ?
JDFreeSoul	Date: January 5, 2007 @ 9:42 PM No matter how he died, he had to die like every dictators. So now everyone is looking for Bush's rope.
AceHenshawIII	Date: January 5, 2007 @ 10:14 PM well if everyone is looking for Bush's rope... then why didnt we hang every president that brought america to war? http://retiary.org/misc_pages/us_presidents_and_wars.html seems that sense washington, we have constantly been fighting someone, just with BUSH we were the most unsuccessful about doing it without thousands of casualties.
JDFreeSoul	Date: January 7, 2007 @ 1:04 AM I don't think they're only talking about starting this war against terrorism, which was in fact a vengeance since the beginning because his father never succeeded what he just did. You really think everyone starting a war are dictators? A dictator is an absolute ruler, a tyrant, and no matter what the world says he will do what he wants and use his men for a useless purpose, always finding reasons (good or bad) to keep the war going to have their name and actions written in the history books forever so peoples remember them, they're looking for fame. I say there is a difference between making a good war and a bad one, like you said, this one is a very unsuccessful one, and it will be for a long time.
AceHenshawIII	Date: January 7, 2007 @ 2:05 AM not calling the past presidents dictators, just saying...war has been the norm for presidents, dictators... we go to war, not all make sense. but it is what it is. large countries fighting large countries, small countries fighting big countries. and their is a difference between good war and bad obviously.
Tallisman	Date: January 7, 2007 @ 2:10 AM On 7th Jan 2008, JDFreeSoul said: A dictator is an absolute ruler, a tyrant, and no matter what the world says he will do what he wants and use his men for a useless purpose, always finding reasons (good or bad) to keep the war going to have their name and actions written in the history books forever so peoples remember them, they're looking for fame. Most of the world didn't want this war. Bush did. Most of the world wants it to end. polls in the states also point out the unpopularity of this war... one dude wants it...
Tallisman	Date: January 7, 2007 @ 10:56 AM It seems to me, JDFreeSoul, that based upon your comments,one could make an argument for Bush being A dictator[...] an absolute ruler, a tyrant, and no matter what the world says he will do what he wants and use his men for a useless purpose just a thought.
ChillinBuzz	Date: January 7, 2007 @ 9:55 PM we can go assist in blowing up a country but can't defend our own, we can talk about reforms across Europe while our health service collapses... and this is from recent experience, we can send out cheap medicines all over the globe when we feel like it but we have to export and then re-import them to save money... I wonder about the money we seem to always have plenty of when getting involved with stupid wars and the monitoring of our own people through CCTV & ID cards, and what about RFID chips in products & black boxes provided by insurance companies for your car (meant to measure the distance you travel but conveniently clock your speed, position and motoring habits AND are accessible by the police force)...I fail to see the logic in anything this govermnent is trying to achieve, nevermind collaborating with a terrorist organisation under the thin disguise of the Bush Administration, other than to bring Hitler's vision back to life in some sick and twisted way.
MCHAZARDOUS	Date: January 10, 2007 @ 6:44 PM WE GOT A BANGIN SONG ABOUT SADDAM ON OUR WEBPAGE----CHECKIT OUT!