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aflunky	Date: June 13, 2008 @ 2:36 PM ...As ME?
moam	Date: June 13, 2008 @ 6:36 PM Me! Me! Me! I was I cooler than all y'all bytchizzz
aflunky	Date: June 13, 2008 @ 11:59 PM I saw a bumper sticker a while back that said "So, The Dixie Chicks were right after all?"
zedsalt	Date: June 14, 2008 @ 3:31 AM I was against the idea of electing him back when all I really knew about him was that he was George H. W. Bush's son, had worked as...what do you call those guys who hang out at the small town diners and chat up landowners who might have oil under their property?...and was governor of Texas when they were doing things like executing prisoners who had been exonerated by DNA evidence. Seriously, folks, what part of this fiasco were we NOT supposed to expect?!?
moam	Date: June 14, 2008 @ 3:31 AM bahahahahaha
evansorchid	Date: June 14, 2008 @ 3:35 AM I think the man is developing a serious case of 'Senioritis' January just seems so far away.....
Ghostie	Date: June 14, 2008 @ 4:53 AM Never ever like him!
ShadowMom	Date: June 14, 2008 @ 5:46 AM I thought you were going to say smartass... And you would have won that one hands down.
GeneHilbert	Date: June 14, 2008 @ 7:54 AM Third term.......
ShadowMom	Date: June 14, 2008 @ 5:52 PM Okay, Flunky, you're number 2, you'll have to try harder.
zedsalt	Date: June 15, 2008 @ 3:24 AM Gene's words might turn out to be not merely prophetic, but an understatement. The Obama camp's labeling of McCain's policies as "doubling down" on W's is a pretty apt description. And this shift from portraying McCain as the AntiBush to the SuperBush was hardly an act of political suicide. The fact that the campaign is sticking with it after securing the nomination should tell us that they expect it to be a winning strategy.
killoFunk	Date: June 15, 2008 @ 6:06 AM 'course, the MSM isn't to blame for ANYTHING these past 8 years... are they?
ShadowMom	Date: June 15, 2008 @ 7:38 AM I'm doing my best to keep the out of my reach, but it is hard sometimes!
zedsalt	Date: June 16, 2008 @ 3:14 AM I have to admit: I had to do a search to figure out what an MSM is. And assuming we're not talking about methylsulfonylmethane, the Morehouse School of Medicine, or a website urging us not to wait any longer to begin our Christmas shopping, I'm going to assume that was a reference to the mainstream media. Really, though, isn't that a lot like blaming the gun and not the shooter? (See, folks? I'm not necessarily a Liberal in each and every sense). I guess the difference is that guns are used, quite often, to shot things other than people, and the mainstream media only veers away the wack-job-ultra-far-Right agenda when some celebrity gets an opportunity to use his/her notoriety to try to talk some sense into people.
Distilled1	Date: June 16, 2008 @ 7:27 AM /course this has nothing to do with it either... The Democratic party controls both the House and Senate in the current Congress the 2 party system is a failure can we go back to the 2 party Pro admin. Anti Admin? I think that, those sounds more clear than Rep. Dem. and Left Right bleeding lib hard core bible banger stuff... either your for a ton of Government and them telling you what to do or your anti government and think that there should be less and less government intervention in our lives. (and those of major corps. that gt bailed out on our tax dollars!
zedsalt	Date: June 16, 2008 @ 7:54 AM Man, don't remind me! My family put a LOT of time and hard work into helping elect what turned out to be a DINO (Democrat In Name Only). Now, there's nothing we can do but sit back and watch as, vote for vote, he takes the same direction as his Republican Executive Branch lapdog predecessor. When discussing approval ratings, journalists rarely fail to mention the fact that Congress' is even lower than the President's. Damn straight! We thought we were voting to restore the balance of power.
ChillinBuzz	Date: June 16, 2008 @ 8:04 AM What is the point in having a Congress of two sides when the one-sided terrorist sat atop can just veto whatever the hell he wants? Anyway, there will be a "third term" and I'm sure all the asskissers will rejoice in the name of "freedom". What a wonderful word, freedom. Freedom means to kill over a million civilians in an illegal war, to threaten to attack another country, to actually HELP improve heroin exports from a country whilst "fighting terrorists", to put up cameras on every street corner, implant chips and force the working class onto a national register... "for our OWN protection". We've been walking down this path for over 100 years and it seems little will change it. Wiping out Iran will not cure the current discord with Islam, it will merely strengthen it. They will acquire nuclear technology no matter how hard anyone squeezes them... For fuck's sake, if Israel can be trusted with nukes, almost anyone can. But hey... We're fucked anyway, so I say break open the borders and let's start killing each other. That'll keep the population down... And I might actually see some decent weed in this country too.
zedsalt	Date: June 16, 2008 @ 8:12 AM And in regards to gov't intervention/intrusion, I've said it before, but I can't help but think that the people that are saddest about this are the true Conservatives. From the Reagan Error...um, Era...onward, the only thing the people calling themselves Conservatives consider "big government" is when government lends a hand in feeding, housing, educating, and/or employing the People. The biggest spenders in the history of U.S. government are also those favoring the greatest federal involvement in every aspect of not just private life but private business. Charity to rather than from the megacorporate world, the end of private life and private business (except where it applies to privatizing traditionally governmental services), foreign outsourcing to the point of threatening our status as a center for manufacturing, corporation of agriculture to the point of ending the era of the family farm and the end of our status as breadbasket to the world, wrecking the educational system (and our future along with it), extending this unwarranted goverment intrusion all over the globe...this is what has come to define "Conservatism".
zedsalt	Date: June 16, 2008 @ 8:14 AM And seriously, all the best weed in grown indoors right here at home.
killoFunk	Date: June 16, 2008 @ 4:07 PM Had to do a search to figure out what MSM was? I bet that's where you learned how to spell methylsulfonylmethane, too. And, no it's not like blaming the gun... unless it's a very poorly manufactured weapon. And since when has any celebrity made enough sense to talk it into people who have it in the first place? The only celebs the MSM pays any accurate attention to are the ones speaking strictly from their "feelings", which usually makes no sense anyhow. I don't see the connection between the MSM and a whack-job-ultra-far-Right agenda, not even the single outlet you must be eluding to... FOX News maybe? The MSM is ultra far left and has been for forty or fifty years... that's why they hate Fox so much, not to mention the internet... doesn't Dan Rather and his 1974 MSWord document ring any bells? And let's not forget the 'tingle' going up Chris Mathews leg... Yes, Distilled1, the 2 party system is a failure... too bad the MSM doesn't highlight that as much as they like to highlight what might not be going as well as it should be in Iraq... like the 'Surge'... oh wait... that must be working since we haven't heard anything about it in the MSM... Look up the death toll in may '08, NVM... http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/06/02/iraq.death.toll/ And Congress' ULTRA LOW approval ratings get downplayed like Ted Nugent's' at a PETA convention. And Buzz, our esteemed congress since '06 hasn't gotten anything done except investigation after investigation after inves... etc... poor Scooter Libby is doing time for Richard Armitage... read http://www.slate.com/id/2168642/ and as for the "path" you say we've been walking down for 100 years (blah blah blah) that's the ganksters... and they're on both sides of the isle... and U.N. resolution 1441 gives "any member state" the authority to do exactly what we're doing... Heroin exports? c'mon, be real... the civilians being killed are being killed by their own extremists... the MSM just blames it on our BRAVE men and women, just like most libs over here... ugh!!! Though you do have a point.."Wiping out Iran will not cure the current discord with Islam..." the discord with Islam is their hatred of non-believers. Did you know that the Koran gives a muslim three options in dealing with non-muslims... 1. Convert 2. Subjugate 3. KILL And they don't have to tell us the truth about anything, Will somebody google that for us? Israel hasn't threatened anyone except in response to threats... and even then, not with nukes... like Mymood Imadinnerjacket has done repeatedly, for who evers sake!!! And what do you potheads have against a good dose of smack anyhow??? That's a bit one sided if you ask me. And the true conservatives are only saddened by the fact that the MSM picked McLame as our candidate... ever hear of a liberal "maverick", Joe Lieberman comes to mind... :thinking: And as far as "wrecking the educational system", thank the teachers unions. Can't fire any of them for poor performance. Talk about rainbow fish... I'm not the only one who voted for Georgy who is disappointed, but the constant drone of negativity toward the U.S. and our Military in the MSM has done more harm to OUR image than ONE man has. Just watch the MSM when we get OBL this year... "we haven't gotten Bin Laden yet...yada yada yada..." but when we get him... he will magically turn into "just one man"!!! Funk off!
zedsalt	Date: June 17, 2008 @ 3:57 AM Oh, I wouldn't say it was poorly manufactured- just count the number of "1984"-style, "War is Peace" "Freedom is Slavery" lies repeated in one single post c.4:07 pm yesterday! To me, the most maddeningly impressive/impressively maddening of these is the notion that there is such a thing as a mainstream Liberal media. Let's play a little game: sit down with 150+ channels of t.v., a radio with the ability to tune into every broadcast in your area, and a stack of newspapers from every U.S. market...now, find me something OUTSIDE the reader/listener-provided content that could be construed as Liberal...or Centrist...or closer to Moderate than it is to the Fascist/Nazi end of the spectrum. I don't know about Fox; we don't get that here. Psyche! Yeah, just kidding; Fox is almost literally ubiquitous. The hard part is telling it from any other television news dept. When a weather warning covers up the station i.d. bug, one has to rely on knowing which anchor works for which station. And...what was it? About three years ago?...we all learned that often, they're reading reports sent to them by the politicians.
zedsalt	Date: June 17, 2008 @ 4:03 AM The sort of thing that I always hear a celebrity "feels" are pretty common sense ideas, like, "Constantly changing justifications for a war kinda make me wonder if the war was justifiable", "It doesn't make sense to me that people die of hunger in the U.S.", or "How is using embryos for research worse than filling 55 gallon drums with them and dumping them on the ocean floor?".
zedsalt	Date: June 17, 2008 @ 4:22 AM kF, I can only assume that your disgust with the mainstream media has led you to eschew it entirely. I don't see how else one could miss the constant references to Congress' approval ratings, the ironic fact that the only time we're fed comments on how well the war in Iraq is....generally...going are people saying "We never hear about the good we're doing over there", or the unavoidable assertions that The Surge has been, and continues to be, tremendously successful. ...but wait a sec'...you appear to be implying that it's a Liberal idea that it is going well! Whoa, talk about "1984" doublespeak!
zedsalt	Date: June 17, 2008 @ 4:43 AM As far down the totem pole as Libby was, I'm still surprised that the blame for that particular bit of treason landed THAT high in the hierarchy (Cheney is on record as culpable, but no one goes after a sitting veep, right?). Afghan citizens ARE being killed by (largely) local extremists- the same ones who decapitated anyone found to be growing opium poppies back when said extremists ruled the country. There's a book which could completely reverse your ideas about the Koran. It's titled "The Koran". I know, I know, "But everyone says so, over and over!!! How can it NOT be true when it's repeated so often?!?" Well, that applies to pretty much every aspect of this discussion. According to the man in charge of drafting The Short List for McCain's running mate, Joe Lieberman is on The Short List for John McCain's running mate. Smack is no worse than pot? Wow. Just...wow. As I recall, the teachers' union was AGAINST the idea of making the entire system revolve around one standardized test. And they obviously had cause for concern: look at the statistics regarding how many of them have been fired for having students who didn't test well. Look at all of the Arts progtrams that have shut down in favor of "teaching for the test", while every piece of empirical evidence we have on the topic shows that the strength of the visual art and music programs* pretty much determines a school's test performance. (*and foreign language)
killoFunk	Date: June 17, 2008 @ 3:17 PM zed, you're going back and forth on yourself so much I don't know where to start... or is that end... No liberal bias in the MSM... find something outside the reader/listener provided content ... blah blah blah ROFLMAO!!!!
GeneHilbert	Date: June 17, 2008 @ 5:32 PM Oh Dude..... NO Liberal Media...... Oh My God.....! Please.... Get your heads out of you asses. If you can't see the spin or lack of objectivity then you are not looking or are just naive. Since I know you are not naive, I can only assume that you just believe the bullshit. Even the Clinton machine now believes it. Where they were once the media darlings - now the other shoe has dropped. Can't say I'm sorry – goes around comes around. The great black hope has arrived. Now you poor socialist starved underachieving misfits have your saving grace. Choose wisely I say. It has always been the most disturbing part for me - that you all blame George W. first and America second for all the world’s woes; famine, flood, earthquake, global warming, genocide, suicide bombings, corruption, ethnic cleansing…. Etc, etc……. Whatever….. It’s my fucking fault for being a proud American. Well… Fuck You…. No other nation on this planet has ever done or given so much to the cause of freedom or humanity as the USA. Do you ever say shit about China, Russia, North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Sudan, Somalia, etc……….? Let me answer for you……… NO Now who fans the flames of contempt, lies and distortions of your misguided angst? Spokes people like Pelosi, Reed, Kennedy, Kerry, Dodd, Biden, Murtha, etc…..Who prints these voices and contemptuous nuggets? Moveon.org, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, BBC, Al Jazeera, NY Times, LA Times. AJC, etc.? Fuck Dude....... Show me the objectivity anywhere here? One article……. Find one on any damn page……. just one….. Try the front page…… That will keep you busy. So…… since you all are so in the know and objective...... You tell me where you are getting fair and balanced news?
billrhynes	Date: June 18, 2008 @ 12:19 AM why, Bill O'Reilly of course
billrhynes	Date: June 18, 2008 @ 12:20 AM
billrhynes	Date: June 18, 2008 @ 12:23 AM People, not just Americans, need to wake the fuck up. Watch Zeitgeist. With a grain of salt perhaps, but watch it now.
zedsalt	Date: June 18, 2008 @ 3:28 AM So you, killoFunk, personally, can't come up with a single example of what you consider to be a Liberal bias in the mainstream media? Well, don't feel bad; it may just not be possible for any person of reason and average-or-better intelligence, thinking for him/herself. I'll try a more specific tact to provide an example; maybe that'll help. After the Vice President and President went on camera and admitted that there was never any evidence of WMDs in Iraq, intranetwork memos circulated through ABC, CNN, and NBC that their writers and anchors were NOT to do the same. They were directed to continue to refer to "a failure to find evidence". Cheney and Bush could keep their jobs while admitting it was a lie; Williams and Blitzer could not. When I looked at that fact, coupled with the fact that no one who appeared angered by it was defined by anyone )least of all themselves) as anything BUT Conservative, I formed the personal oinion that the instance was a case of Conservative bias in the mainstream media. Form your own opinion based on the information you gather. Despite what we've all been told, thinking for oneself is NOT some kind of Liberal trick.
zedsalt	Date: June 18, 2008 @ 3:38 AM Hilbert's post is a perfect example of what happens when we shirk our duty as citizens of a democracy and buy the lies that are repeated enough to become "common knowldege". Getting intellectually and idealistically lazy has a pretty high price when enough people go that route. And killoFunk, you're wrong; I never really have learned how to spell "methylsulfonylmethane". I just copied-and-pasted it (twice now), and that practice doesn't encourage actual learning. Parrots, mynah birds, and people who regurgitate propaganda don't really understand the meanings of the words they speak.
killoFunk	Date: June 18, 2008 @ 5:35 AM So you, killoFunk, personally, can't come up with a single example of what you consider to be a Liberal bias in the mainstream media? Don't have too, you just did with the 'memos' you cited... they were instructed to continue using the word "failure"... with everything to do with GWB, but you missed it, just like you miss the fact that the MSM is liberally biased in the first place... try this little exercise... find an UN-flattering Photo of Obama in the MSM. Then find an UN-flattering photo of Bush... And Gene... well spoken, exactly right.
killoFunk	Date: June 18, 2008 @ 5:46 AM From the NY Times... Mr. Bush sought to take full political advantage of soaring fuel prices by portraying Republican lawmakers as imaginative and forward-looking and the Democratic majority in Congress as obstructionists on energy policy. Link... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/washington/19drill.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin How do they 'know' what he was seeking? They suggest that political advantage is the motivation... NOT the fact that WE NEED ENERGY INDEPENDENCE, plain and simple, enough even for you, zed!!! During the presidential primaries, one candidate suggested a 'federal gas tax holiday', another suggested that the 'oil companies pay for that gas tax holiday' ... It doesn't take a genius to figure out how the oil companies would offset that added cost of business... My question to you zed... which candidate said what?
ShadowMom	Date: June 18, 2008 @ 6:23 AM Hmmm... how about another paragraph from that same news story? Just to be fair... “I know the Democratic leaders have opposed some of these policies in the past,” Mr. Bush said. “Now that their opposition has helped drive gas prices to record levels, I ask them to reconsider their positions. If Congressional leaders leave for the Fourth of July recess without taking action, they will need to explain why $4-a-gallon gasoline is not enough incentive for them to act.” Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sure you will, but is he blaming the preservation of ANWAR and possibly the Gulf of Mexico-- which IS dying-- on the Democrats? Like that's a bad thing? And how is it their fault gas companies are making windfall profits? And, where's the oil that was supposed to flow from Iraq?
Distilled1	Date: June 18, 2008 @ 7:22 AM what oil is that? flow from the war? I didn't think thats what we were there for, should take it I think... ANWAR is safe, the drilling they want to do is cleaner and safer... they are opening the fields in LA again thats scary there... also there are such strict EPA standards we have refineries sitting... right? we must become self reliant for our energy. thinking we can keep getting it from opec on the cheap is a pipe dream. I just filled my 12 gallon mazda 3 tank up 52$ thats insane!
farfor44	Date: June 18, 2008 @ 2:46 PM Enough already!After reading all of these comments it becomes very evident that KilloFunk is a Republican team player,and a deflector of blame for the Bush administration's failed policies.Its been obvious to me for a while that Gene Hilbert is in that same camp.I'll Try to be very clear about this,I choose a democratic form of government over a Republic form 100%. if that makes me partisan or liberal(nice word derived from liberty)then so be it.We've had this misconception in America since almost the beginning, that the two party system is two political parties..NOT TRUE! They are two different forms or systems of government~from the inception of the country we've had admirers of the ROMAN REPUBLIC and The GREEK DEMOCRACY forms. I choose the latter..when one really thinks about it the the REPUBLICANS only come to power by force or deception. Yeah I'm a socialist! I love SOCIETY,but then I'm a social being OK then on to Killofunk's statement suggesting that Islam is a terrorist religious organization..I'd like to remind you of the Christian Crusades,the Christian persecution and imprisonment of Copernicus and other scientists,for stating in public that "the Earth was not flat,and not the center of the Universe". Shall I remind you of the Salem Witch Trials,brought to you in all its splendid glory by the Christian Church. Shall I remind you of the Catholic Priests who fondle young boys! Now I ask you who is the terrorist organization??? When it comes to assigning blame,I'll repeat what you Republicans said when Bill was President~George is to blame"after all he is the commander in chief" Bush and Cheney are Oil Men,connected at the hip with the major Oil companies~Oil is a Neanderthal form of energy,this is the 21st Century time to make oil a thing of the past There is a movement underway to prosecute GW Bush for Murder brought to us by Vincent Bugalosi (Charles Manson's prosecutor)Hes already stated"There will be no statute of limitations on this crime" So hes fair game even after he's out of office! Yea! The laws Bush changed so he could go after so called 1960s radicals,is now going to apply to him Bush and Cheney's crimes,makes Bill's stain on Monica's blue dress seam pretty meaningless...
killoFunk	Date: June 18, 2008 @ 4:22 PM I don't think he's blaming them for "the preservation of ANWAR" and such as much as the opposition to any advancement in current technology... they don't want nuclear plants or new refineries and it seems wind power is ok unless it's in their back yard... nimbyism, like Ted Kennedy dumping fuel in the bay a few weeks back... ugh! Why is that ok? It does seem the it is the Democrats who pander to the environmentalists, that may be the true blame he's trying to lay on them. On the other hand... how many corporate capitalists will dump toxic shit in our water supply for the sake of another dollar? That bugs me as well... is this one of those 'double-edged swords' we've heard about? I was under the impression that Iraqi oil was going to "reimburse" us for the cost of "liberating" them from Saddam... that's when it turned into "a war for oil", thanks to the Democrat leadership AND the MSM. I've heard the analogy that if ANWAR was a football field, the area they wanted to explore and possibly drill on would be a postage stamp... who knows for sure. But we haven't had a new refinery in the US for thirty years... the technology has got to better by now, doesn't it? Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. And, no Far444, NOT a republican team player... more libertarian (another nice word derived from liberty) I just don't think our media should take sides, and they obviously do. They take the dems side all the time... like I said, find me an UN-flattering photo of Obama(from the MSM). Then consider how Obama's church is not to be brought up, but Mitt Romney's "mormanism" was all we heard about... Damn it, media guys... make up my mind! Yes, the Crusades falls into play because I see that as an example of the Gov't in bed with A religion... and I don't see that as a good thing... like Sharia law. (besides, wasn't that the Puritans?) I'm turned off by a totally Democratic form of Gov't, it translates to MOB RULE! But then, rules don't seem to matter much to the Democratic party. Just look at the Fla and Mich primaries... The state party officials KNEW the consequences of ignoring the rules and moving their primary dates, but when it came time for the consequences to 'kick in', then they wanted to change the rules and ignore said consequences. Look at Pelosi who is supposed to be the spearhead against Bush's "domestic wire-tapping" while ignoring a blatant case of actual domestic wire-tapping in her own state... read up on the Pellicano trial and look for Mark Arneson's name. He's the police officer they keep referring to as "retired" when he actually resigned in disgrace because he was the pivotal tool for Pellicano's wiretaps... UGH! The bias in the MSM is, IMHO, the reason for the blind hatred of Bush, the falling value of the dollar, and the declining world opinion of the U.S.! I'm a PROUD AMERICAN and they are ruining the country. Their constant use of misleading terminology... 'Anti-immigrant", NO- Anti ILLEGAL immigrant! 'Bush's war', NO- the U.N.'s war---IF they would ever actually DO anything besides resolution after meaningless resolution! 'Mortgage crisis', NO- the failed act of congress to force lenders to "make loans available to low income families", an A.R.M. is a stupid thing to sign... but at least they were available... So, who's power has been acquired by deception? Who's side does the media take? That's just the way it appears to me. And one more thing... the issue with Clinton wasn't the stain, it was purgery(sp?)... another one of those pesky rules! Funk out,
Distilled1	Date: June 18, 2008 @ 5:33 PM "'Mortgage crisis', NO- the failed act of congress to force lenders to "make loans available to low income families", an A.R.M. is a stupid thing to sign... but at least they were available... " Right on... I am still out of work as a home builder Construction manager 8 months and counting, we lost oh 2800 lots the company sold out and laid us all off the VPs just about the whole damn company! the #2 Builder in the USA! and the others #1 and down are all going belly up as well ... because no one can buy, and many never should have... I am in foreclosure.. (still special forbearance paying double each moth ... ) and I have a 30yr at 6.3% !!!! after 12 years I may have to sell in a market no one can buy and lose my ass! this wasn't Bush this was the damn shit Kilo said above! force banks to give high risk loans and a ton of hide this do this with credit Oh I should stop!
aflunky	Date: June 19, 2008 @ 12:26 AM Wow, damn, I wasn't expecting it to be a political argument, I just wanted to see who else thought Bush sucked. Oh well, I should have expected this. I could go and give a huge intelligent speal on why Bush was a mistake for the US, but I'll just say 3 words... Enron, Iraq, Katrina. PS, feel free to Bash me, I don't care.
farfor44	Date: June 19, 2008 @ 1:35 AM Thats cool flunky,I for one won't bash the messenger..KilloFunk if you're not a Republican team player Why are you constantly repeating Republican talking points and blatant lies..The Republicans are responsible for the Housing crisis,by way of their deregulation of the lending institutions~They have taken away the very tools that control these institutions. I watch congress and the Senate whenever they're in session~the very last bill the Republicans passed before they lost the majority is the one that requires a super majority to pass any bill so the democrats would be unable to get anything passed. Just watch congress daily,and it becomes very clear..The Republicans are responsible for the Recession,the illegal Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The spiraling deficit, The failing levies that are causing all the flooding in the midwestern states just like New Orleans..I could go on and on their failures are monumental.. just a point of interest for ya funk~their's no libertarian candidate for President so I guess you'll have to vote for Mccain eh!
zedsalt	Date: June 19, 2008 @ 4:10 AM I never saw those memos mentioned outside Zenger (the only news publication I've seen with anything resembling Liberal leanings and hardly mainstream). But it's kind of like the old joke with the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?", isn't it? I hate to state something so utterly obvious, but saying that someone failed to find something IS saying that there was something there to be found. The Bush/bin Laden photo thing might have made something resembling sense, if the media had every bit as much access to bin Laden as they do Bush. We've seen what gas tax holidays do on a smaller scale. I don't see anything to suggest that they'd serve any purpose beyond political grandstanding. The windfall profits tax that the Congressional Republicans and the DiNOs shot down, on the other hand, was perfectly designed to make it impossible to circumvent. I don't know if k'Funk is old enough to remember this or not, but remember when we had a president who did everything in his power to promote alternative energies? By the same token, he presided over the largest increase in refineries in U.S. history (many of which have since atrophied, and we're no where near being able to process the oil we are pulling out of U.S. soil). Sadly, history has painted that president as a failure, partially due to then-record inflation caused by so many U.S. citizens doing so well financially that it devalued the dollar...which is more than a little different from inflation caused by trade deficits and high oil prices.
zedsalt	Date: June 19, 2008 @ 4:13 AM A Libertarian, eh? Cool. I voted for Ron Paul the one time he was on the presidential ballot here in Happy Hoosierland. You know Ron; he's the guy who dropped out of the race recently so as not to draw Conservative votes away from McCain. If only Ralph Nader had such a good grasp of the obvious...
zedsalt	Date: June 19, 2008 @ 4:19 AM I'll tell you why I agree that the ANWR issue has a distinct element of NIMBYism- the recent talk about drilling on the edge of the continental shelf near Florida. A potential environmental disaster near a big batch of voters scares these pol's a LOT more than the idea of one in some far off pristine wilderness.
zedsalt	Date: June 19, 2008 @ 4:56 AM Pro-alternative energy? Pro-science? Against toxic waste dumping? Thinking that the war should've led to lower oil prices? Anti-predatory lending? Careful, there, you're starting to sound more Liberal than Libertarian... When did Osama bin Laden join the Democratic Party? I have to admit that the mainstream media didn't keep me very well informed on THAT one! Regarding "mob rule"- yeah, just look at where "leading by public opinion poll" and "waffling" got us. "...the greatest period of national peace and prosperity since the time of Hammurabai", to quote the ultimate newsmedia outsider, Hunter S. Thompson. That's been the core principle of the Conservative platform since the Reagan years: the people just don't know what's good for them. When Cheney was asked to respond to the 2/3+ plus populace opposition to the war, his answer was, "So?" Our Governor pushed through legislation that had disapproval ratings in the high eighties, and he's using it as a campaign promo. The NeoCons have dropped the word "Liberal" from their catchphrase "the Liberal Intelligentsia" in describing their opposition. The inferrence is clear: smart people oppose us, but the good news is that most people just ain't real smart. Um, newsflash: the UN was opposed to the Iraq War. Their opinion was that the resolutions you mentioned had been effective in keeping Hussein from acquiring WMDs in the period leading up to the war. Regarding the Clinton marital infidelity "scandal", let's not forget that the perjury was in regards to marital infidelity. I count that as the third most embarrassing aspect of the Clinton adnminstration: the fact that we, as a nation, paid any attention to such an ultrapersonal issue. I put it right behind the '93 walkout (seriously, why haven't we put needles in their treasonous arms yet? What traitor has done more harm to our country?) and MFN trade status for China (seriously, WTF?)
farfor44	Date: June 19, 2008 @ 5:10 AM My hatred for bush is not blind hatred~Hes destroyed our economy,our military,our education system,our Judicial system,Medicare & Medicade. not to mention his desire to privatize Social Security..Deregulation,and Privatization are both enemies of Democracy and that in a nut shell is what Bush is all about.. 83% of Americans want Bush impeached.That speaks Volumes... This is Bush's WAR~If you recall the U.N. was against the invasion of Iraq from the beginning,Bush called the U.N. irrelevant! The last time I read anything on the Salem Witch Trials,It was made very clear The Puritans were Christians! Funk you seem to be hung up on the MSM,and I agree you do hear nothing but Propaganda on the MSM. They spew corporate lies,after all they are owned by corporate entities. On power gained by deception and force,I point to the stolen election of 1860(Lincoln) 11 southern states votes were not counted in that election resulting in those states withdrawing from the Union~To force them back into the Union and to accept him as their President Lincoln started the civil War,not to end slavery but to take the pressure off the Republicans who stole the election! If he truly wanted to end slavery he would've signed the 14 and 15 amendment to the constitution.Andrew Jackson a democrat signed both amendments... Again Bills stain on the Blue Dress was not a crime(maybe a sin) but not a crime..If perjury carrys any weight,Bush has purged himself repeatedly for almost 8 yrs. I'm with Spike,I cant wait till Janurary
farfor44	Date: June 19, 2008 @ 5:51 AM Oops! I meant to say Andrew Johnson signed the 13th and 14th amendment!
zedsalt	Date: June 19, 2008 @ 7:51 AM I always try to see things from "the other guy's" point of view, and toward that end, I did my best to try to find bias in the quote from the NY Times kF posted yesterday. Earlier this afternoon, I came up with a scenario in which the Times COULD accurately be accused of bias. If there was both at least one U.S. Senator named "Democrat" and at least one U.S. Representative of that name, and neither was a member of the Democratic Party, it could be said that Bush's comment about "the Democrats in Congress" might have lacked political motivation. But I just looked at the rolls. No one named "Democrat".
zedsalt	Date: June 19, 2008 @ 8:04 AM Oh, and "...Obama's church is not to be brought up"?!? I just did a search using the two following phrases: Obama & Wright (229,000 results) and Obama & Pfleger (492,000 results). I left off the quotation marks, so you can just copy and paste them, if you like. I had to go back several pages to find a result that was NOT from a "MSM" outlet. I'm sorry if I'm exposing you to a lot of mainstream media here, but that was kind of your point, right? That they're the ones who just aren't talking about Obama's religion. And while I'm at it (apologizing), sorry I misread (more than once) your comment about the photogenic Obama. Geezy Looeezy, Zed, wipe the sleep out of your darn eyes!
hate9wicket	Date: June 19, 2008 @ 2:29 PM I think the only bias you will find with the media, mainstream or alt. is that w/ the reporter being biased thinking their story is important, should be aired or printed, and the bosses are full of shit. http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=1304 I have noticed the Iraq War being pushed back to page 8 or whatever in the paper, nobody wants to talk about the pink elephant. Nobody wants to remind us of