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The Verdana Movement (VM)

emu	Date: March 1, 2003 @ 2:59 PM Seriously, where did this come from?
Nepharius	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 5:39 AM dunno but interesting.
johnnygnote	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 7:49 AM Does this work?
johnnygnote	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 7:49 AM I tried the font command and it didn't work in the forum.
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 2:16 PM it seems only to work in the journal. well, the font face command anyway.....
Fiji	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 3:04 PM Who all has joined the movement?
Expose	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 3:45 PM Change the name so it doesn't sound like M$ virtual machine{java} and I'll join it
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 3:49 PM Thasp, only you would see a link to a bleeding MS package. hoot:
Expose	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 3:53 PM When you're *insane*, and have been screwed over by them{MSN}, you tend to .
Fiji	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 3:53 PM Sorry Thasp, the name is staying. Are you in?
Expose	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 3:53 PM I'm in, but I'm not abbreviating it!
Fiji	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 3:59 PM You can do whatever you want with it, as long as the name stays the same.
Expose	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 4:07 PM I am in for the Movement of Verdana!
Cryxan	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 4:18 PM ahem Fiji, you misspelled Verdana in your journal. Thasp, Movement of Verdana is to Verdana Movement as Dmusic is to DMusic.
Fiji	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 4:19 PM I did what?
victorsskull	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 4:21 PM VM=D
Fiji	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 4:23 PM HELLZ YA Guppster!
Fiji	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 7:04 PM Ok, we've had like 5 more people join today. This is really cool. :vm:
starseven	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 7:07 PM what is the Verdana Movment?
starseven	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 7:08 PM ok, fiji asnwered my question..... i didn't ntive a font had changed. when and where did this happen?
RyanS	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 7:09 PM Umm.. my name is Ryan.. I use Verdana..
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 7:10 PM oh whats the use, they dont give a shit so why bother fighting ooh, that was harsh.
Fiji	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 7:27 PM If we don't say something, who will. We're the heart and soul of this site. Without us, there is no DMusic. There's an empty site.
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 7:49 PM exactly. now, somebody else tell me why we bother to fight. like an admin for instance?
Jennae	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 8:29 PM im just surious as to how big of an improvement the fonts are making and or how much space they are saving. Maybe there is a way we can save space, and keep the font we've had for so many years. Is there any way of finding a compromise here so we can get on with things?
Expose	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 8:43 PM boycott-riaa.com. Cryxan, who has had some of the most concise, mature, wise and noteworthy comments and ideas here. Frawgster, well, makes DM funny to read. :D There are many more people, and many more achievements, made by the people that matter here{the people that are pro-DM themselves}, that are trying to be heard that make the site great. Don't silence them. :\| " id="35217">text isn't really a big part of saving space. It's graphics. The truth is, that, the internet, is evolving past dial-up bandwidth. Webpages are becoming bigger, and filled with more effects. This growth, should not be stunted by dial-up. I mean, it is ironic; a site based around multimedia, trying to accomadate dial-up users. How long does it take them to download an MP3 128k or above here? Exactly. They're going to be spending forever downloading the content here, so I'm sure that taking back content to save space and makes things load faster, won't really matter to them(as impatient dial-up users, wouldn't be listening to music here in the first place). Said by Fiji: Without us, there is no DMusic. There's an empty site. True. Milla, someone at the moment, who is unhappy with the font, made the emoticons, mods the site, and is always usually the first to help someone. The artists make the music that keep the site going. I made tonsa stuff in the software section, and something on blocking the evil ones. Jennae's spunk and inituative spawned the best of many of us, a great collab, and most of all, brought the idea of a DM compilation CD here. Thumbtack, has done, tons of coding here, and is here almost 24/7/365 to make DM a great place, wheather it's wqith glitches, changing the site, or %99 of the news section which is all him, in addition to boycott-riaa.com. Cryxan, who has had some of the most concise, mature, wise and noteworthy comments and ideas here. Frawgster, well, makes DM funny to read. There are many more people, and many more achievements, made by the people that matter here{the people that are pro-DM themselves}, that are trying to be heard that make the site great. Don't silence them.
creativetim	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 8:55 PM Is it really all that big of a deal? I think the font is more elegant and it is in fact saving more space. In my opinion I think you should save your energy for bigger things, becuase the font they choose won't be the last greivence here, I'm sure of it.
Jennae	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 9:07 PM yep
Expose	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 9:08 PM I think it was changing DM, part of it that defined it as that it is. I think it's that if we put up with this change, we'll be forced to put up with far worse. I think it's the principle. Am I wrong? :shrug:" id="35223">I don't think it's all the font. I think it's the fact that they took it from us, without asking, and said it was "for the best" to justify it. I think it was changing DM, part of it that defined it as that it is. I think it's that if we put up with this change, we'll be forced to put up with far worse. I think it's the principle. Am I wrong?
creativetim	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 9:28 PM Times must, and do always change, it's inevitable.
Expose	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 9:31 PM Yes, but you have to keep some of the old if it's still good. Saying that the font being smaller and better for dial-up users, actually contradicts that; since moving forward, would mean, not trying to conform to out of date(technically speaking) technology.
creativetim	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 9:36 PM I don't care what they said, I don't even know what they said that "justifies" it. This is not our site, we are simply a part of it.
Expose	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 9:40 PM , would there be a site? Or a forum for the font to be used on, or a shoutbox for that font to be used on? Good point; but it isn't as cut and dry as it is with other sites. You take away community with other sites, they'll be crappier. You take away community on generic forums, they'll be crappy news sites. You take away community on DM, and DM dies. Even Michelle, the new president, admitted herself that the community makes DM. What they said to justify it, is that it made it load faster, which should keep people happy with any connection." id="35240">And without us being "simply a part of it.", would there be a site? Or a forum for the font to be used on, or a shoutbox for that font to be used on? Good point; but it isn't as cut and dry as it is with other sites. You take away community with other sites, they'll be crappier. You take away community on generic forums, they'll be crappy news sites. You take away community on DM, and DM dies. Even Michelle, the new president, admitted herself that the community makes DM. What they said to justify it, is that it made it load faster, which should keep people happy with any connection.
creativetim	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 9:47 PM I understand you need people to have a community, but the fact still remains, this isn't our community, we may feel like it is, but it's not.
RyanS	Date: March 2, 2003 @ 10:25 PM http://images2.dmusic.com/users/r/y/a/ryans/6267.png" id="35248">Verdana on IE: http://images2.dmusic.com/users/r/y/a/ryans/6267.png
Fiji	Date: March 3, 2003 @ 12:17 AM This is our community Tim. They supply a place for it, and we make it. Example: Our neighborhoods. The governement supplies the land. Does that make it their community? No. It's the people in it that make the community. A community is a group of people having common interests. Do the owners have the common interests here. Or do we? We do. We (by we I mean all present/former DMusicers) started this community. The site designers didn't. They gave us a site, not a community. Without the community, there is no DMusic. There's just an empty site. And like Thasp said, it's more the principle of the matter. I feel like we should all have a voice here. On what goes on and what-not. Maybe before anything was done, a poll could have been taken with all the options that would have suited them as well as us. That way we would all be happy. This sudden change not only changes DMusic, but arouses concern about what's next on their agenda.
Jennae	Date: March 3, 2003 @ 12:22 AM yep to that too!
Expose	Date: March 3, 2003 @ 7:37 AM Yay! All we need is the Opera to get Verdana back on DM.
creativetim	Date: March 3, 2003 @ 8:33 AM I'm sorry, but no. Look at the logistics here. There is a sole or group of owners who own this community. I'm not disagreeing with the fact that we make up this community, but I'm saying that it isn't ours. What ever happened to everyone saying, it's free, so why bitch?
Svensta	Date: March 3, 2003 @ 8:52 AM I have to weigh in with Tim on this one. Honestly, the site would go on if none of us had ever found it. What has been impacted is the community. I think the rehashing of the front page was to the detriment of the community. not some internal formatting shift. When you go corporate, you make some changes to make the site more corporate. This was a VERY laid-back 'hang-out' type of site, and now it's becoming more of the corporate music label site. In a way it is good, in that it is the infant that might grow up to be the Giantkiller. That being said, changes are inevitable, and are usually frowned upon. I was rather upset with the change in layout as it really did push the community to the rear. I will not be satisfied they are honestly trying to keep the community as essential to DMusic, until they re-do their tabs up top and create a 'COMMUNITY' tab. Right now, this is like a forum on a hardware site, nice but not essential anymore (this is what I perceive THEIR attitude to be) A font change isn't really worth getting into a war over, imho.
milladrive	Date: March 3, 2003 @ 9:14 AM I thoroughly miss verdana. I will not be happy until she returns.
mcarp555	Date: March 3, 2003 @ 11:50 AM The message instead is, "I'm someone with no history (look in Google if you don't believe me), and I'm more important than any of you. DM will be a music hosting site, and everything else is superfluous. Don't like it? Tough." At least a year from now when DM is as much fun as Vitaminic, we'll have the perverse satisfaction of saying "Told ya!"..." id="35297">Good points Sven, but the font is more of a symbol than anything else. If the new Prez had been open with the community, and said, "Hey look, DM needs to grow in a more serious way. We need a tight corporate front page, but I'll give you a Community page with all the neat stuff you love.", and not changed the font, who would have batted an eyelash? The message instead is, "I'm someone with no history (look in Google if you don't believe me), and I'm more important than any of you. DM will be a music hosting site, and everything else is superfluous. Don't like it? Tough." At least a year from now when DM is as much fun as Vitaminic, we'll have the perverse satisfaction of saying "Told ya!"...
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 3, 2003 @ 1:12 PM We ARE disposable, at any time, regardless of whether we fight back or not, so if there's even one small thing we dont like, why not fight back? We stand by and not question a thing, the site alters beyond all belief and some will end up walking. Those who fought against some really unnecessary changes will most likely get silenced for being no more than insignificant "trouble makers" - either way, you can sit and watch or stand and make yourself heard. An engine needs oil. Not all brands of oil are the same and have the same desired effect. And thats DMusic's community. If sacrificing a few artists and their ideas for a wider picture is necessary, dont ever, ever, forget those who got dumped on whilst achieving your dream..... Those you crap on whilst on your way up, will do the same on your way back down :peace: Welcome to the Corporate Independent Digital Community :rofl: " id="35299">I think the font situation is over the top, but it didnt have to be that way. By EITHER side I agree with Sven in that the community has been "downgraded" to back page news, so to speak, as part of this drive towards a new DMusic and a tab for the community seems a better compromise than the dire offerings so far but will it be noticed? We ARE disposable, at any time, regardless of whether we fight back or not, so if there's even one small thing we dont like, why not fight back? We stand by and not question a thing, the site alters beyond all belief and some will end up walking. Those who fought against some really unnecessary changes will most likely get silenced for being no more than insignificant "trouble makers" - either way, you can sit and watch or stand and make yourself heard. An engine needs oil. Not all brands of oil are the same and have the same desired effect. And thats DMusic's community. If sacrificing a few artists and their ideas for a wider picture is necessary, dont ever, ever, forget those who got dumped on whilst achieving your dream..... Those you crap on whilst on your way up, will do the same on your way back down Welcome to the Corporate Independent Digital Community
milladrive	Date: March 3, 2003 @ 3:03 PM I've been seein' a lotta talk that this font issue is just symbolic of larger more significantly ominous things. In all honesty, I disagree. To me, this font is a font. Nothing more. Our community may be building up this whole thing to represent a much larger issue, but I'm not. And it may not mean a hill of beans to others, but it matters to me. I simply think we've made a bad choice in changing from a font that worked just fine without complaint for seven years and was easy to read (especially at size 1), to one that is harder on the eyes and more difficult on which to focus. I spend a great deal of time reading this site and modding what needs to be done, so I simply prefer my eye strain to occur much later in the day. I will not be satisfied until verdana is restored to its rightful place. Simple as that. Aside from current choice of font, I will continue to support this site and its community, artist and non-artist alike, as best as I can, and will do whatever I can so that Larry doesn't need to sell one more stringed instrument to keep it alive. ...and don't anyone forget it. Quite frankly, I'm pretty disappointed by the semi-personal attacks. Believe it or not, people, Michelle is on our side, and I don't think she was sent here from some evil parallel universe to turn this place into crap amid the hollers of the loyal. She has been hired to do a job, which is to make DMusic profitable, and there is no doubt in my mind that her best intention is to do it as successfully as possible, without jeopardizing incredible amounts of integrity. Some things needed to be done first. It can't be done all at once, and I'd like to think we know how to remain cordial and understanding as the changes and alterations occur over the coming days. Feedback is a must, as we all know, and if it needs to be loud, then so be it. ...but hey, let's try to be nice, okay? If she fails, we all do, and DMusic may no longer exist. Tearing her a new bellybutton isn't gonna accomplish a thing. jmo. Now, that bein' said, hear me clearly. I thoroughly miss verdana. I will not be happy until she returns. I. Will. Not. Be. Happy. Until. She. Returns.
Fiji	Date: March 3, 2003 @ 3:06 PM Strong words from a strong man. Well put Milla.
ChillinBuzz	Date: March 3, 2003 @ 3:17 PM Milla, a finer grade of oil in DMusic's engine semi-personal attacks are not nice, and i know i am guilty of a few but not in any way that i would intentionally insult someone, I support this site until such time comes it becomes impossible to stay over the differences, should that day ever arrive. But feathers still got ruffled no matter who knowswhat is going on, I think the sudden alteration and the new arrival launched already jumpy minds into an understandable sense of foreboding and recent interactions havent dispelled that feeling. That said, the best way to address a restless mob is to shout from the top of the hill, which I hope to hear shortly from our new President.... Get Michelle in here more often, we are capable of rational and intelligent conversation and I promise to not let Mr Carp bite her leg what small price is Verdana? it was easier to read and it looked a damn sight better. but if its gone... well....
Jennae	Date: March 3, 2003 @ 5:01 PM I ditto what Milla said!
Expose	Date: March 5, 2003 @ 7:26 AM /me bumps up this thread. As soon as something becomes a hot topic, it dies. Wierd.
Jennae	Date: March 5, 2003 @ 8:21 AM it's the lights in the sky Thasp! They have weird powers over us! and um......no I still feel the same. I thoroughly miss verdana. I will not be happy until she returns. I. Will. Not. Be. Happy. Until. She. Returns.
Svensta	Date: March 5, 2003 @ 8:52 AM This is a hot topic?
Jennae	Date: March 5, 2003 @ 8:57 AM hot topic is a clothes outlet, no this is a thread sweetie
milladrive	Date: March 5, 2003 @ 9:16 AM I'd say this is one of my top 3 hottest topics at the moment. I thoroughly miss verdana. I will not be happy until she returns. Btw, I can't believe nobody's noticed that my comment was posted at 3:03pm 03/03/03.
Jennae	Date: March 5, 2003 @ 9:38 AM damn those numerology lacking people! I noticed, I just failed to comment on it. and yep! This is important! I thoroughly miss verdana. I will not be happy until she returns. reguardless to who else fails to see it.
leflaw	Date: March 5, 2003 @ 12:42 PM We are still looking at fonts etc.
Fiji	Date: March 5, 2003 @ 1:33 PM I really appreciate the feedback ... honestly. Any word from above it good. Thanks. Now all we need is a little more feedback every now and then. That would be great.
Jennae	Date: March 5, 2003 @ 1:59 PM damn leflaw is making his rounds today! awesome! Fiji hit it right on the head! We always love to hear form the admin team. And I must say Milla and Thumb do a most excellent job and mingling amougst us phesants really makes a difference. I thoroughly miss verdana. I will not be happy until she returns.(VM)
TheWitchingHour	Date: March 5, 2003 @ 2:09 PM She's missing boo
RyanS	Date: March 5, 2003 @ 3:23 PM
leflaw	Date: March 6, 2003 @ 8:27 AM I can give you more feedback,now that Michelle is around. See? We are experimenting with layouts. I made subtle changes to Dmusic version 7 over a yearuntil I got it where it was two weeks ago. It was far from perfect. You have to keep an open mind. For all you guys know, we have an investor who HATES VERDANA Only kidding. I like to think of Dmusic as a concert place or a club with unlimited seeting, or a place to hang out and do whatever. Its a tall order to conceptualize and code. I do agree that we need to get back to news, hardware, and fundamentals. We are, just a bit slowly.
Fiji	Date: March 6, 2003 @ 3:17 PM I personally would like to continue to see updates of how the site is coming along. I think that would make everyone feel a little better when thinking about the future of DMusic." id="35695">I think this, right here, is relieving a lot of the tension going on right now. It has come to my attention that this site is not governed by a democracy. It's more or less a totalitarian. And I realize we "peons" have no business sticking our noses up this sites butt demanding feedback. But it is very well appreciated. I personally would like to continue to see updates of how the site is coming along. I think that would make everyone feel a little better when thinking about the future of DMusic.
Jennae	Date: March 6, 2003 @ 3:37 PM

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