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white youth immitating from the movie "drumline"

trillcitypoet	Date: April 23, 2003 @ 3:56 PM Since the debut of the popular movie, about a historically Black college's marching band, White marchers are now high-steppin', dancing and using R&B and hip-hop songs to add a little flavor to their half-time shows. "I always tell my kids we're going to be the best all-White Black band in Ohio," Dennis Dellifield, a band director at Allen East High Schol in Lafayette, Ohio, told the Journal. What do you think about White marching bands trying to be "the best, all-White, Black marching band"? Is it a good thing, bad thing, or does it matter? " id="42785">According to the Wall Street Journal, the movie "Drumline" has White, middle American high schoolers marching to a new beat. Since the debut of the popular movie, about a historically Black college's marching band, White marchers are now high-steppin', dancing and using R&B and hip-hop songs to add a little flavor to their half-time shows. "I always tell my kids we're going to be the best all-White Black band in Ohio," Dennis Dellifield, a band director at Allen East High Schol in Lafayette, Ohio, told the Journal. What do you think about White marching bands trying to be "the best, all-White, Black marching band"? Is it a good thing, bad thing, or does it matter?
smelv1n	Date: April 23, 2003 @ 5:21 PM it's fucking dumb, that's what it is. how is music black?
ashleighj	Date: April 23, 2003 @ 5:25 PM sometimes you try to think so elagantly that you lose sight of the simple truths. :)" id="42800">yes.. that's exactly the sentiment i was trying to put into words when i first saw this.. and it was as simple as saying "it's fucking dumb, thats what it is". sometimes you try to think so elagantly that you lose sight of the simple truths.
invocati	Date: April 23, 2003 @ 5:38 PM I hate these writers who write about White this or black that. They love throwing logs in the fire and pitting white against black. I'm sick of it! They need to get a life!
creativetim	Date: April 23, 2003 @ 6:27 PM I agree with smelv1n and ashleigh.
QUEEN-CITY-INC	Date: April 23, 2003 @ 6:53 PM I agree with all 4 of you , Its some bullshit , Then they say Whites shouldnt rap b/c it is for blacks , how come the first rap was from a white girl , but thats not tha point , music is music , who cares what color you are , that whole white vs black is getting old , let it die
trillcitypoet	Date: April 24, 2003 @ 6:02 PM thank god i wasn't the only one feeling this way
Svensta	Date: April 24, 2003 @ 7:19 PM Tool." id="42959">I agree with all the agreement in here. Mister Dellfield needs to wake his ass up. Transfer him here and we'll put him on the 4 train with a sign that reads "white but wants to be black" Tool.
2mnysite2fin...	Date: April 25, 2003 @ 3:24 AM im assuming you meant Blondie...LOL she was actually showing respect to the then, new genre by making a rap song. she wasnt the first rapper... Now how much of the rest of the article am i missing...or was that all of it... im interested on clicking on a link if you have it or at least something i can type into my address box to get me to this article... "Since the debut of the popular movie, about a historically Black college's marching band, White marchers are now high-steppin', dancing and using R&B and hip-hop songs to add a little flavor to their half-time shows." now what part of that do you see as the swaying of opinion for people to take sides and say that they are pitting the races against each other...all of what i can see is what they present as facts... and maybe if your a racist who feels whites should stick to white things and blacks to blacks things you might be offended by: "White marchers are now high-steppin', dancing and using R&B and hip-hop songs to add a little flavor to their half-time shows." seriously, i dont get your points to this racial division...clue me in "I hate these writers who write about White this or black that. They love throwing logs in the fire and pitting white against black. I'm sick of it! They need to get a life!" ^^^ now when did that happen in this article? the quote is the only thing close to being a statement that can be misconstrued as an issue of the races being pitted against each other, and even then the only issues i see are from the thread posters who havent met Dennis Dellifield...all the statesments were based on a perception of an underlying message that can be percieved in more than one way... "I always tell my kids we're going to be the best all-White Black band in Ohio," Dennis Dellifield, a band director at Allen East High Schol in Lafayette, Ohio, told the Journal. where exactly is someone pitting the races? is he teaching a white self hatered by way of the term "Black"? Or is it him teaching the music he's fond of and implying the term "Black" to mean something else... nowhere in the article does it say "black music", its only assumed by thread posters...how do you know when he says "Black band" he's talking about "Black music" and not talking about soul or rhythmically blessed or any other possibility for that matter. even though weve made remarkable achievements when it comes to racial equality, recognize rasicm doesnt just go away after 30 years after the civil rights movement, especially when its been embedded into peoples minds for so long... and saying, "music should just be music, not black music, not white music, just music" is a good step towards fixing this problem, but we are far from being ok...to say "Transfer him here and we'll put him on the 4 train with a sign that reads 'white but wants to be black'" is sure sign that we still have room for improvement... reading "white butt wants to be black" when compared to the article, in my perspective implies that indeed, people still feel that black music is black music and white people who teach this "so called black music" should feel bad about it As far as im concerned the only race divinding issue i see is in this question " What do you think about White marching bands trying to be "the best, all-White, Black marching band"? Is it a good thing, bad thing, or does it matter? " just proposing this question leaves it open for racist statements, and essentially pits the racists against the non racists. and if you go even further.. you can pit the black racists against the white racists..Moreover, without defining what the teacher meant by "Black band" the question cannot be reasonably answered...i could have a different answer for every different implications of the word "black" when correlated to "marching band"... " id="43052">LOL @ "how come the first rap was from a white girl" im assuming you meant Blondie...LOL she was actually showing respect to the then, new genre by making a rap song. she wasnt the first rapper... Now how much of the rest of the article am i missing...or was that all of it... im interested on clicking on a link if you have it or at least something i can type into my address box to get me to this article... "Since the debut of the popular movie, about a historically Black college's marching band, White marchers are now high-steppin', dancing and using R&B and hip-hop songs to add a little flavor to their half-time shows." now what part of that do you see as the swaying of opinion for people to take sides and say that they are pitting the races against each other...all of what i can see is what they present as facts... and maybe if your a racist who feels whites should stick to white things and blacks to blacks things you might be offended by: "White marchers are now high-steppin', dancing and using R&B and hip-hop songs to add a little flavor to their half-time shows." seriously, i dont get your points to this racial division...clue me in "I hate these writers who write about White this or black that. They love throwing logs in the fire and pitting white against black. I'm sick of it! They need to get a life!" ^^^ now when did that happen in this article? the quote is the only thing close to being a statement that can be misconstrued as an issue of the races being pitted against each other, and even then the only issues i see are from the thread posters who havent met Dennis Dellifield...all the statesments were based on a perception of an underlying message that can be percieved in more than one way... "I always tell my kids we're going to be the best all-White Black band in Ohio," Dennis Dellifield, a band director at Allen East High Schol in Lafayette, Ohio, told the Journal. where exactly is someone pitting the races? is he teaching a white self hatered by way of the term "Black"? Or is it him teaching the music he's fond of and implying the term "Black" to mean something else... nowhere in the article does it say "black music", its only assumed by thread posters...how do you know when he says "Black band" he's talking about "Black music" and not talking about soul or rhythmically blessed or any other possibility for that matter. even though weve made remarkable achievements when it comes to racial equality, recognize rasicm doesnt just go away after 30 years after the civil rights movement, especially when its been embedded into peoples minds for so long... and saying, "music should just be music, not black music, not white music, just music" is a good step towards fixing this problem, but we are far from being ok...to say "Transfer him here and we'll put him on the 4 train with a sign that reads 'white but wants to be black'" is sure sign that we still have room for improvement... reading "white butt wants to be black" when compared to the article, in my perspective implies that indeed, people still feel that black music is black music and white people who teach this "so called black music" should feel bad about it As far as im concerned the only race divinding issue i see is in this question " What do you think about White marching bands trying to be "the best, all-White, Black marching band"? Is it a good thing, bad thing, or does it matter? " just proposing this question leaves it open for racist statements, and essentially pits the racists against the non racists. and if you go even further.. you can pit the black racists against the white racists..Moreover, without defining what the teacher meant by "Black band" the question cannot be reasonably answered...i could have a different answer for every different implications of the word "black" when correlated to "marching band"...
RyanS	Date: April 25, 2003 @ 5:48 AM black music, white music.. who gives a shit. Music is music, no matter who plays it, whether they're white, black, yellow, red, purple (yikes!)
Svensta	Date: April 25, 2003 @ 8:41 AM are from the thread posters who havent met Dennis Dellifield..." The beauty of reading and intelligence is that you don't HAVE to meet someone to get a feel for them. Read their words. If they are going to be publicly speaking on something, they better damn well go over what it is they want to say, or suck it up when the criticism rolls in. I take umbrage that he's referring to race in the scope of music. As Ryan says above, music should transcend race. There should be no cultural dividing lines with music. If an Arab wanted to write celtic music, go for it. Why not just be the best marching band?" id="43076">"...the only issues i see are from the thread posters who havent met Dennis Dellifield..." The beauty of reading and intelligence is that you don't HAVE to meet someone to get a feel for them. Read their words. If they are going to be publicly speaking on something, they better damn well go over what it is they want to say, or suck it up when the criticism rolls in. I take umbrage that he's referring to race in the scope of music. As Ryan says above, music should transcend race. There should be no cultural dividing lines with music. If an Arab wanted to write celtic music, go for it. Why not just be the best marching band?
RyanS	Date: April 25, 2003 @ 2:32 PM Arab writing celtic music? That would be very interesting to hear, actually!
Svensta	Date: April 25, 2003 @ 3:22 PM Hey why not? Didn't the Beatles write with an Indian influence? And Juno Reactor are two limeys with Arab influences
monsquaz	Date: April 26, 2003 @ 8:06 PM I propose a theory that it may be the fact that there are so many whites who look foolish when trying to act black, and this has jaded us into assuming that whites trying to delve into anything that was innovated by blacks are always asking for trouble.
Guest	Date: April 2, 2009 @ 6:32 PM Black is Better black Is Better
TheDreadPirate	Date: April 2, 2009 @ 8:10 PM personally when it comes to marching bands there is a place for traditional styled marching, and the urban style. Personally when it involves body movements its best to stick to your ethnic style. case in point, white person dancing to hiphop = silly looking... black person doing irish dancing such as riverdancing? = silly looking... just my personal opinion.
Distilled1	Date: April 2, 2009 @ 8:50 PM Me only have one ambition, y'know. I only have one thing I really like to see happen. I like to see mankind live together - black, white, Chinese, everyone - that's all. ~Bob Marley
ChillinBuzz	Date: April 3, 2009 @ 7:09 AM As someone said years ago here, it's getting old. Having said that, if a black/white person aspires to be the opposite colour in whatever they do, I see that as recognition and a compliment. We're all stuck on this shithole of a planet together so let's get over this colour crap already. Nobody's better than anyone.
zedsalt	Date: April 3, 2009 @ 9:28 AM If there wasn't a range of skintones, some folks would find some other basis for defining little categories of human, and music would still make the world ignore them. Besides, wasn't it high time for an infusion of a little innovation into the field of marching bands?
zedsalt	Date: April 3, 2009 @ 9:30 AM That wasn't easy- I went that whole post without making a joke about how being involved in marching band keeps those little crackers from running the streets and getting into trouble!
vilifiend	Date: April 3, 2009 @ 3:53 PM my first impression: gag me. its getting old, alright. but you know what? we've made leaps and bounds with the newer generations regarding this kind of thing. something like this cannot just be told to dissapear. its like asking for a religion to change their thinking, almost. its dying, and we can't really expect the old timers to change. time will pass, and it will be gone. to me, what shows the step in the right direction even in this racially directed article... is he's tipping his hat. its a compliment. maybe some people have to learn to enjoy the differences first before they become neutral. as artists, i think we really exceed in high horse-dom. but you know what... that kind of fuels the fire, too. we took a whole lot of time getting as fucked up as we are, it aint gunna happen overnight. nice quote, distilled1. it really saddens me when people hear the name bob marley, most people only think of the guy portrayed smoking a blunt, and the stoners that follow. but you know what? even though he had strong religious beliefs, his message of unity was absolutely profound. man, he wasnt just three little birds or i shot the sheriff. the index is quite large. sometimes i feel like bob taught me love. bob marley will never die.
Guest	Date: April 3, 2009 @ 8:19 PM Culture is an interesting thing. Why is it when a black man puts on a suit and works a 9-5 he is not criticised for adopting an alien culture? Equally, why is it fine for a woman to wear trousers, but if a man wears a skirt he's got a sexual fetish. We are all equal, but some are more equal than others.. and it's ok to try and act like them. 4 legs good, 2 legs bad.

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