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mtekk	Date: October 30, 2003 @ 11:33 PM See marrage is supposed to be about love, not personal greed/ bennifit, therefore there shouldn't be a tax break for either marrages. aside from that, the tax break was because the strait marrages whare producing children, and the more children that there are, the more workers ther are, and the better off the country is, it's a bennifit for those who are responsible for their reproductivity (and also persuade people to get married and have only one partner instad of humping everything that moves, to help prevent the massive spread of AIDS) just my :twocents:
starseven	Date: October 30, 2003 @ 11:38 PM i respect your point of view.. but still..... gay peopel can love each other the same as srtait peopel can.... and i think if they are together.... they shoudl be able to share the same rights as others.... it has nothign to do with greed
kredd	Date: October 31, 2003 @ 12:17 AM gospel of thomas????
starseven	Date: October 31, 2003 @ 1:07 AM yes.. the Gospel of thomas... it;s a part of a group of books knows as the Apocrypha... also know as the Deuterocanonical Books of the Bible in catholism.....basicly... in plain englsh..... you have a bunch of old dead guys.. who find a bunch of good stories....most of them writen by the same peope... or by many of the same people....now.. some of thes writings... went along with the ideas thes old dead guys had.. while other did not. for insatce one book called "the life f adam and eve" talks about lilith... Adams First wife, before eve. and about how she was banashed because she wanted to be adams equal. now imagine what kinda of trouble a stroy like that , could cuase back then... A woman being a mans equal.. who ever heard of such thigns.. so what they did.. is they put together a book.. but the book was edited... they left out all the stuff that didnt meet their agenda.. and they called that book the bible......and they used this book.. to gain power, and controll over the people... that's the short version.. if you want the long version... go to a library or somethign.. if you ask a preist what the differeace is.. he will tell you that the aporypha are writing that are not belived to be the word of god.. and that is the main differance... the truth is... ther eis no difference.. they came from the same place.. the only difference is the message... so what good is the bible if you;re not getting the whole story?.....it breeds nothign but fear, because t is afrom a religion that uses fear as a weapon...and when you have fear.. you have HATE... which is why we are even talkign about weather or not gay people shoudl have the right to marrige....it;s because a bunch of HATEFULL christain groups.. thinks it;s "unholy"... and therefore they deny people of rigtha they shoudl have... my adivce woudl be , dont come in here preachig hate... or quoting your bibe.. because it's all the same.. and it has no place here
starseven	Date: October 31, 2003 @ 1:15 AM oh.. i did forget to mention one important thing..... a reacuring theme in the apocrypha.. is the point that you dont need a church to have faith.... it basicly says that christnianty i a belive system... and shoudl not be ruled liek some sort of government or kingdom.... that there isno need for a pope.. you don have to go to a church... you just have to belive.. and do the rigth thing, that's all you need to be a good person.... so the church did not wan this idea cathing on.. because at the time.. the church had more power than most kings, and they were not about to give that up...an interesting side note.. is many peopel belive sections of the aporypha.. are the closest things to the actuall words directly spoken by jesus christs. ....that of course i am sure....
princess-angry	Date: October 31, 2003 @ 2:51 AM well christantiy is just one WRONG religion that teaches onomocity (or however ya spell it) I mean, they want you to hate anyone who's not "perfect" and they scare little kids about "hell" and being tortured for sinning. I belive there is no "hell" and no "heaven" physically, I belive in reencarnation where if you are good, you get a good after life, if you are bad, you get a bad afterlife. There is no Physical "heaven" and no physical "hell" The "churches" have also made it so you have to pay to get "accepted" by the lord and they claim to give the money for the poor, but it is way turned around, they use the money to make newer and more expensive churches and expensive robes and stuff like that... My preist had a 4000 dollar robe!!! The servant robes were 200 dollars! and they had 24 of them! they also had various preist robes varying from 900-9000 bucks! The cups for the "holy bread and wine" were like 200 some bucks/set for regular season and the holiday ones were about 3 times as much! Even the candles are expensive! like 200 a piece! And they give to the poor??.....nope, I'm afriad not, thier "giving to the poor"in commercials is actually done by PAID actors/actresses! Also, There is no way anyone can possess that kind of power like in some parts of the highly edited for content bible, they made it more dramatic. There has also been so many lives taken for "religious" wars. Mostly innocent women/children! for what, a fairytale legend? So what, I can kill people that don't belive the story of the beast in "Beauty and the beast"! I mean, C'MON PEPOPLE, GET A GRIP ON WHAT SCEINCE HAS PROVED AND GET WITH THE PROGRAM! CHRISTANTY CAN BE SUMMED UP IN A FEW WORDS MARKETING, MURDER,AND MAKE BELIVE!
princess-angry	Date: October 31, 2003 @ 3:06 AM Also chistanity has made it so disabled and physically deformed people are from "the devil" and they make them feel bad. Why I've known some really awesome people who have had physical deformities! They were some of the nicest people I've met! This one kid who only had half an arm (was born that way) got picked on at chruch all the time! I stood up for him one day and He gave me a big hug for it! Me and him were freinds till he moved away ( I sure don't blame his family!) I wish I would have stayed in contact with him! I still miss him. This kid who was in a wheelchair named Jacob was great too, he could't walk, but I helped him alot also. He couldnt talk right but I helped him progress to talk as good as most people! It was kinda fun becuase he did so well! I think he had something wrong with his voice box, but he sure overcame it very well! I have also helped in preschools taking care of kids-n- stuff, pretty fun! All but the teachers never seemed to treat the kids very well, I complained to the principal and the superintenant about it and they got a new teacher! The kids were great, this one never wanted to leave me! I feel good for doing nice things like that, and the's how, in my belief, I am being good to God.
CountryMusikMan	Date: November 8, 2003 @ 7:17 PM Thomas you Quote is also known as the doubting Thomas which shows your intellect StarSeven . The doubting Thomas he doubted Jesus.
CountryMusikMan	Date: November 8, 2003 @ 7:19 PM Only Through Jesus Christ Our Lord can you be save. Your Good works mean Nothing To Him. If you do them for your own Glory
CountryMusikMan	Date: November 8, 2003 @ 7:21 PM I have dealt with Legion. Naysayers can't bother me.
starseven	Date: November 10, 2003 @ 10:23 AM um... what?... did you really need 3 posts for that?.......anwyays.. if you dont agree withthe gospel of thomes.. there are many more books that were left out of your bible.. maybe you shoudl read int a bit.. educate your self... stop being amidless drone =)
djfacemachine	Date: November 10, 2003 @ 1:27 PM looks like this thread has turned into a commentary on relition... religion is too touchy of an issue for a lot of people. personally, i don't know THAT much about any given religion. i didn't grow up religious. i have never been to church with my imediate family, however, i HAVE been to church services. i made a personal choice to go, probably out of curiousity more than anything. anyway, thats besides the point. at this time in my life, i don't believe in any sort of god or higher being. from a scientific standpoint, it seems irrational to me. it is really intersting to see how religions have changed according to the way society has changed. religion is not a set thing. it can adapt to fulfil the new ideals of present society, making itself more desirable to any given individual. religion has its ups and downs. pros: religion is a really great thing for a large number of people. it gives them something to believe in, places them into a close knit group, and gives them a reason to be good to others. cons: religion has been the cause of many wars and numerous deaths and some people are only good to others out of fear for a vindictive god. i could go on forever. but alas, i must go to the liberry.

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