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billhudson	Date: August 30, 2003 @ 1:43 PM OK folks, Its going to be that time once again. How are you going to vote? I can hear it now, Baby Bush cares about the earth. Say goodby to the EPA and hello to all the big guys who keep making this a dirty place to live. If this bunch gets in again. Still Pickin' BillH.
GeneHilbert	Date: August 30, 2003 @ 2:13 PM Bill – volcanoes, earth quakes, hurricanes, tornados, forest fires, floods, tsunamis aren't nature's tidiest creations. And don’t forget all the trash & pollution you are responsible for as a consumer. So.... PLEASE don't start some whinny-ass liberal socialist political banter here. I hear enough of that bullshit in the media. I'm still waiting for Martin Sheen, Susan Sarandon, Barbra Streisand, Michael Moore, Sharon Stone, and Sean Penn to pack their bags and move to France. You see how much they believe in the integrity of their viewpoints when called on their rhetoric.
sinai	Date: August 30, 2003 @ 3:18 PM well, heres your rifle gene dont forget to stop by north korea and sort them out to
sinai	Date: August 30, 2003 @ 3:20 PM by the way, you gotta move out of your house, we seem to have found an oil reserve under their, and if we dunt tap it people are gonna bitch that they gotta pay 1.70 a gallon instead of 1.65
monsquaz	Date: August 30, 2003 @ 4:39 PM http://monsquaz.freeservers.com/RBC.html" id="60494">Bush isn't the real president, he's just a figurehead. Cheney is a shadow president, and he's the one who's running the country. http://monsquaz.freeservers.com/RBC.html
Veracohr	Date: August 30, 2003 @ 6:41 PM Every whiny-ass liberal socialist, raise your hand.
smelv1n	Date: August 30, 2003 @ 6:49 PM Hey Gene, lemme guess... You take every word Ann Coulter writes as the sole and pure truth?
billhudson	Date: August 30, 2003 @ 6:52 PM Still Pickin' Bill H. " id="60501">As a proud liberal Gene, I have the right to say this. And as a consumer, I also have the right to save this earth and maybe just a little part of it. One has to look all the good liberals have done over the years. Just read your history, its all there to read. Oh by the way if you want "I hear enough of that bullshit in the media", just go to the fox people. They have a pile of it. Still Pickin' Bill H.
Cryxan	Date: August 30, 2003 @ 7:40 PM My family left our homeland to get away from socialism, and but it's happening here more and more.
Veracohr	Date: August 30, 2003 @ 9:41 PM What is it about socialism one would want to get away from? Can I ask what homeland that is, Cyrxan?
milladrive	Date: August 30, 2003 @ 9:50 PM ..and I agree with her. Now, I don't think the world is in peril from the human race. I happen to think the earth will be here long after we destroy ourselves. However.... I will pull for... anyone but Junior Warbucks for president. If that moron gets back in the White House, I will lose my faith in the system. Oh wait, that's already gone. heh
Apertome	Date: August 30, 2003 @ 10:19 PM How about poverty, oppression, famine, fascist governments, and that whole thing where you don't control what happens to the money you earned? If you think that the Bush administration is oppressive, controlling, dishonest, or whatever, remember, you can at least SAY you think so, verbally, in writing, on your ballot, etc. Worst case scenario (in your eyes), he's in office til '08. I was in the Czech Republic a couple of years ago, and while it's recovering pretty well from its socialist days, you can still clearly see remnant effects -- from teenagers doing hard labor on the side of the highway to entire neighborhoods of dirty, rickety old buildings, etc. In many places there are still loudspeakers on the poles from the power lines, once used by the government to keep a tight grip on the people. I don't claim to be a history buff, but it's plainly obvious that socialism took its toll on the people, and rebuilding is a long, slow process. As for Fox News, yes, I do watch it, along with most of the other major networks. So what?" id="60538">"What is it about socialism one would want to get away from?" How about poverty, oppression, famine, fascist governments, and that whole thing where you don't control what happens to the money you earned? If you think that the Bush administration is oppressive, controlling, dishonest, or whatever, remember, you can at least SAY you think so, verbally, in writing, on your ballot, etc. Worst case scenario (in your eyes), he's in office til '08. I was in the Czech Republic a couple of years ago, and while it's recovering pretty well from its socialist days, you can still clearly see remnant effects -- from teenagers doing hard labor on the side of the highway to entire neighborhoods of dirty, rickety old buildings, etc. In many places there are still loudspeakers on the poles from the power lines, once used by the government to keep a tight grip on the people. I don't claim to be a history buff, but it's plainly obvious that socialism took its toll on the people, and rebuilding is a long, slow process. As for Fox News, yes, I do watch it, along with most of the other major networks. So what?
Expose	Date: August 30, 2003 @ 10:20 PM My parents both voted for bush. Shows ya what type of people like him. And they both, wanna see him re-elected.
sinai	Date: August 30, 2003 @ 11:00 PM he will be re elected, easily it's almost shameful to call myself a democrat anymore with how scatter fucked our leaders are they can't even agree on which color of white they wanna use as a flag to wave it's pathetic, this country will endure, but it aint gonna be easy and it's all our own fault
Cryxan	Date: August 31, 2003 @ 1:48 AM Thank you for that, mux. The American school system released me into the wild as a Democrat, but once I became politically aware, I changed my party to Libertarian, and I vote pretty much party line.
JFF	Date: August 31, 2003 @ 7:40 AM :poo: that's not fair, u get a gallon for the same we get a litre (well maybe 1 n a 1/4 litres)." id="60573">"1.70 a gallon instead of 1.65" that's not fair, u get a gallon for the same we get a litre (well maybe 1 n a 1/4 litres).
billhudson	Date: August 31, 2003 @ 8:08 AM http://www.jimhightower.com/ He said one thing that was as funny as hell. "They keep saying we are not going into Iraqi for the oil. Well they sure as hell are not leaving without it." As to fox, just read Al Frankin new book. There is some funny stuff. Next thing you know baby Bush is going be be an environmental guy. Still Pickin' Bill H." id="60575">While I was in NYC I was listening to Jim Hightower http://www.jimhightower.com/ He said one thing that was as funny as hell. "They keep saying we are not going into Iraqi for the oil. Well they sure as hell are not leaving without it." As to fox, just read Al Frankin new book. There is some funny stuff. Next thing you know baby Bush is going be be an environmental guy. Still Pickin' Bill H.
monsquaz	Date: August 31, 2003 @ 1:19 PM http://www.outofthinair.homestead.com/NBSRParty.html" id="60595">Y'know, there are more political parties than just the Democrats and Republicans. Here's a party that I respect: http://www.outofthinair.homestead.com/NBSRParty.html
erikshawn	Date: August 31, 2003 @ 1:35 PM godamn americans trying to talk politics when they dont know shit...confusing socialism and communism, totalitarism and fascism, maybe u should read some political philosophy and some political science, maybe even some sociology, before even thinking of having such debates...Bush jr is an asshole, the us is hated by the wHOLE world, only they're not aware of it, and the french were not the only ones to be against the war, only about a million or so of smart americans were smart enough to show their disagreement. Shove your "liberty fries" up your star-spangled asses!
billhudson	Date: August 31, 2003 @ 1:43 PM Still Pickin' BillH." id="60597">thanks erikshawn, I was wondering when someone out there knew that too. When I did a music tour of Italy, my best paying gigs were Italy communism party. I told one guy," you can't have alot of money and be a communist". He just look at me and said,"why not". Made me think. Still Pickin' BillH.
Veracohr	Date: August 31, 2003 @ 3:09 PM So you're talking about extreme socialism there (including or not including communism). I understand that. But I don't think the socialism model is out of the question for certain areas. As a system for an entire government, maybe it's hard to make it work well, but as a limited-use system, I think it could be good. And isn't Sweden socialist? They aren't doing to bad with it. I think the American health care system could benefit from a socialist model. I despise the capitalism of health care." id="60601">"How about poverty, oppression, famine, fascist governments, and that whole thing where you don't control what happens to the money you earned? If you think that the Bush administration is oppressive, controlling, dishonest, or whatever, remember, you can at least SAY you think so, verbally, in writing, on your ballot, etc. Worst case scenario (in your eyes), he's in office til '08." So you're talking about extreme socialism there (including or not including communism). I understand that. But I don't think the socialism model is out of the question for certain areas. As a system for an entire government, maybe it's hard to make it work well, but as a limited-use system, I think it could be good. And isn't Sweden socialist? They aren't doing to bad with it. I think the American health care system could benefit from a socialist model. I despise the capitalism of health care.
erikshawn	Date: August 31, 2003 @ 3:32 PM hear ye hear ye!u can say that again!
milladrive	Date: August 31, 2003 @ 4:46 PM Well, as we see just from parts of this thread, there are pros and cons to every society. There are drawbacks to socialism, drawbacks to communism, and drawbacks to capitalism. ..and positive features of all. I think finding the right combination and putting them into practice successfully is the trick. I think one of the problems is that they all have labels and come in a package. If we remove the labels and open the boxes, it may be possible to put into practice the good features of each, while eliminating the bad ones. Just my
dsch	Date: August 31, 2003 @ 4:58 PM refrains from further 9-11/Bush rant" id="60611">You know what makes me really really ill? "The September 11th Memorial Republican National Convention." No joke. refrains from further 9-11/Bush rant
jolt199	Date: September 1, 2003 @ 10:08 AM For the second time in American history, the political party of the president at that time took over the majority in both the House and the Senate. So then by that logic, Bush must be doing something right, eh?
jolt199	Date: September 1, 2003 @ 10:09 AM You know what is the closest thing to being socialist while still capitalist? Left Wing.
dsch	Date: September 1, 2003 @ 11:45 AM Fear tactics and brainwashing count as doing something right? Huh. Who knew? And as for socialism, examine the principles behind it. Nowhere in the principle is there any mention of a dictatorial head figure, and nowhere is there an expressed intent to screw up the entire political system. Political scientists develop their theories to be beneficial to the people to be organized by said systems. Thus, there is nothing malevolent or wrong about the principle of socialism. I happen to think it's an excellent principle, though it would be a difficult (if not impossible) one to implement with such a large country. Why don't you do some reading on that, before you dismiss it as invalid for a name alone.
dsch	Date: September 1, 2003 @ 11:48 AM (Note that I'm not defending or supporting the way socialism and communism have been implemented in the past. Those systems were horrifying and unjust, living hell for those who weren't partial to the Party. I'm going purely by the political theory of the thing when I say "excellent principle." Do I think it could work in reality? No.)
billhudson	Date: September 1, 2003 @ 4:46 PM Oh, by the way Jolt, no he is not doing something right. As a matter of fact there is a long list. But we know what side of the tracks this guys from. Anyone with a nose on their face can see it. Or maybe no one notices the elephant in the room. What elephant? Still Pickin' Bill H.
Veracohr	Date: September 1, 2003 @ 4:51 PM I agree with dsch. The intent behind these systems is always good, but the implementation does not always turn out well. Communism, in theory, is an excellent system, but it has proven to not work in practice without undue hardship on the people.
SinisterX	Date: September 1, 2003 @ 5:42 PM I hate politics bleh. and, personally, no one will beat Bush next time around. *mho) the dems are too whiny, if they would stop with their Bush bashing long enough to get their message across to the public (if they even have one), then mybe they would stand a change.
sinai	Date: September 1, 2003 @ 7:44 PM indeed sin, it's the dems fault for gift wrapping bush the election and now they are running around like cochroaches in a well lit kitchen i juss hope they can get their act together before "president dick cheney" is ever muttered on CNN
Maffmatix	Date: September 2, 2003 @ 2:38 PM Daaaayum. I hate politics too SinisterX, mainly because of all the fuckin whining and bitching these cats are doin, in stead of being productive. Wahhh Wahhh Wahhhhhhhhhhhhh
dsch	Date: September 2, 2003 @ 10:12 PM Dare I ask what's productive about saying we're not being productive? Personally, I find political science an interesting topic and one of worthwhile discussion. Though this isn't really political science...It makes me sad that the Democrats are so utterly disorganized. Bush's mistakes keep piling up, but if there's nobody on the other side visible enough to seem better than those mistakes, Bush will have four more years to make still more mistakes. Blast.
Acumen	Date: September 2, 2003 @ 10:35 PM I'm really glad Bush isn't my president, and I'm also glad that Canada has more than two parties to choose from, and more than two nimrods to choose from. I could do a rant on how things have been shitty since bushy got in power... but I won't do that right now... I got Diablo II to play.
Veracohr	Date: September 2, 2003 @ 11:03 PM A few of the Democratic hopefuls are getting their act together and acting like real candidates this time around. I'm 24 and I've never voted. I think I did a mail-in vote on a couple state bills once when I was 18 or 19, but otherwise I've never voted. But after Bush, I'm gettin' my ass to the polls. I'm still not convinced that the population's vote makes that much difference, but at this point I figure it can't hurt! What, an hour of one day out of my life to help ensure I don't have a president like Bush again?
fu-dog	Date: September 2, 2003 @ 11:07 PM " id="60959">I've been in a rut since before Bush was elected... how could they legally keep Nader out of that big debate? It'd be beneficial to have another party or two that were established and considered part of the actual voting pool. Perhaps then it'd be a little bit harder to corrupt everyone, and middle-of-the-road politics may become more functional. To quote Ferris, "isms, in my opinion, are not good." Not that Anarchy is the way, but why are people always discussing the recent major governmental forms as though they're the endgame. I don't hear much from anyone about building a new, more functional -ism. Why? I say we toss capitalism and socialism into a blender with a pinch of sugar and see what happens.
mracky	Date: September 2, 2003 @ 11:12 PM I remember this thread from back in 1991...
GeneHilbert	Date: September 2, 2003 @ 11:16 PM Winston Churchill " id="60961"> "If you're not a liberal when you're 20, you don't have heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 40, you don't have a brain." Winston Churchill
sinai	Date: September 3, 2003 @ 12:07 AM how come you aint in iraq yet?
CowgirlBebop	Date: September 3, 2003 @ 8:41 AM I can't vote anyway. Wait! I'll be able to vote in the '04 election. Cowgirl counts down to 18th birthday Oh, and Gore Vidal (speaking of liberals) once said about American politics: "We have never had a popular government in the sense that they feared, nor are we in any danger now. Our only political party has two right wings, one called Republican, the other Democratic. But Henry Adams figured all that out back in the 1890s. 'We have a single system,' he wrote, and 'in that system the only question is the price at which the proletariat is to be bought and sold.'"" id="60998">I'm sick of politics. Having said that, everyone should read "Why Not Me?" by Al Franken. Even if you're not liberal. I can't vote anyway. Wait! I'll be able to vote in the '04 election. Cowgirl counts down to 18th birthday Oh, and Gore Vidal (speaking of liberals) once said about American politics: "We have never had a popular government in the sense that they feared, nor are we in any danger now. Our only political party has two right wings, one called Republican, the other Democratic. But Henry Adams figured all that out back in the 1890s. 'We have a single system,' he wrote, and 'in that system the only question is the price at which the proletariat is to be bought and sold.'"
GeneHilbert	Date: September 3, 2003 @ 11:08 AM This is sad but factual. I hear a lot of bitching about what you don't like and how things suck. So... Here's your forum - Let's hear your idea's for change - If you were "President of the United States". How would you tackle these issues? Medicare Reform: Homeland Security: Social Security: The useless fuckin' U.N.: Foreign Affairs: i.e. Iraq: Nigeria: Afghanistan: Saudi Arabia: Israel & Palestinians: Environment: Welfare Reform: Economy: Political Contribution Reform. The list goes on and on. Pick one - just one. Let's see how you do. " id="61010">"We have a single system, he wrote, and in that system the only question is the price at which the proletariat is to be bought and sold." This is sad but factual. I hear a lot of bitching about what you don't like and how things suck. So... Here's your forum - Let's hear your idea's for change - If you were "President of the United States". How would you tackle these issues? Medicare Reform: Homeland Security: Social Security: The useless fuckin' U.N.: Foreign Affairs: i.e. Iraq: Nigeria: Afghanistan: Saudi Arabia: Israel & Palestinians: Environment: Welfare Reform: Economy: Political Contribution Reform. The list goes on and on. Pick one - just one. Let's see how you do.
billhudson	Date: September 3, 2003 @ 3:18 PM I am very surprized you left out two very inportant ones........... The schools and our future. Ya ever watch Jaywalking? Bingo= they needs tons of more money. I have lived with a teacher once and how he got through I don't know. Why do teachers have to use their own money on supplies? This is not cool. Another one you did not mentioned is the Military. Now here is all ya got to do. Take a look at the pie and where the money is going? And tell me who needs to be cut. Still Pickin' Bill H." id="61028">Ok, good one Gene! I don't know why the right always says we are bitching. Here is then one of the centers, The Southern Poverty Law Center. Morris Dees runs it and I heard him talk the other day. Beside the Bomb threat it was very Inspiring to hear him talk. Real people, very real problems. Now lets see if I was the President, well damn, I guess I would pour millions into the arts. All kinds. Does anyone know that the city of Berlin spents more on the arts then the whole USA? Medicare Refore- you bet ya. Lets look at it this way. If ya got the money, ya got the health. There is something wrong about that. As I travel around this country the stories I have heard, and how people ever get throught it I don't know. So we all know there MUST be a change. Homeland Security- well I think that is tied in with Foreign Affairs. What we need to do is join with the rest of the world. And not be the big USA and come in. And what that means is deal with the UN and not dictate to them. And listen to people have been in that area for years and years, France, England. Social Security- make sure there is money there. MMMMMM, lets see how about not getting more bombers next year. The useless UN- Well made my point on that one= join the rest of the world, why not, ya might learn something,who knows. ( for futher info please go to Al Franklins book.) Environment- well here is something that is easy. Get ride of Bush and his side of the fence. Ya want to know why, just do a little digging and see where they stand. If it was different.... I would be on their side. In the next 50 years one thing is for sure...we better do something. Because we cannot keep going this way,well just talk to the Scientist communities and hear what they have to say! Welfare Reform-, maybe bring something like the CCC back. There are allot of roads and so on that need to be rebuilt. And there are allot of old timers that would love to show them a few things to learn a trade. Economy- #1 make sure our own USA companies cannot go over seas and use slave labor. Who would think in this day and age we (meaning USA companies)can just go over sea and do it. That would bring more jobs here and not a 1,000 miles away. Poitical Contribution Refore- well as Will Rogers would say, " This country has the best politicians money can buy". That shows ya things are about the same as it was back in the 30's. But that does not make it right and on it goes. More money, more adds,simple, the While house is bought and sold. Does something need to change? Does a bear?, well you know. I am very surprized you left out two very inportant ones........... The schools and our future. Ya ever watch Jaywalking? Bingo= they needs tons of more money. I have lived with a teacher once and how he got through I don't know. Why do teachers have to use their own money on supplies? This is not cool. Another one you did not mentioned is the Military. Now here is all ya got to do. Take a look at the pie and where the money is going? And tell me who needs to be cut. Still Pickin' Bill H.
GeneHilbert	Date: September 4, 2003 @ 3:43 PM Did you see John Kerry's candidacy announcement. What a joke. The guy is a moron. And he is the No. 2 contender. Can you imagine this countries condition after all we been through with a President Gore - OH MY GOD. Let’s focus on the U.N. - the UN had control of the Oil for food program with Iraq. 12 years they milked money from Iraq. Kofi Annan was paid millions in bribes by Hussein to look the other way. While Iraq was supplied with anything they wanted. The French, Germans, Russians, all went against the UN Security Council Resolutions 706 - sold them arms, machinery, vehicles, video equip. anything they wanted. For 12 years with the help of the U.N. Hussein publicly gave the world the finger while continuing to support terror, human rights violations and chemical, bio, & nuclear weapons research. Come on..... with friends like that who needs fuckin' enemies. Kofi Annan is a fuckin crook, bald faced lying piece of shit. Don't believe a word he says - he talks out of both side of his face. Trust him, or the U.N. with him as Secretary-General - well.... NOT ME." id="61215"> Bill - see that's what I mean. Those are all generalities. Not one issue is specifically dealt with. That is the problem with the Democratic Party. They have no policy answers. They lack the ability to deal with issues specifically. All cries of "Wolf" and scare tactics focused on people’s fears & ignorance. Did you see John Kerry's candidacy announcement. What a joke. The guy is a moron. And he is the No. 2 contender. Can you imagine this countries condition after all we been through with a President Gore - OH MY GOD. Let’s focus on the U.N. - the UN had control of the Oil for food program with Iraq. 12 years they milked money from Iraq. Kofi Annan was paid millions in bribes by Hussein to look the other way. While Iraq was supplied with anything they wanted. The French, Germans, Russians, all went against the UN Security Council Resolutions 706 - sold them arms, machinery, vehicles, video equip. anything they wanted. For 12 years with the help of the U.N. Hussein publicly gave the world the finger while continuing to support terror, human rights violations and chemical, bio, & nuclear weapons research. Come on..... with friends like that who needs fuckin' enemies. Kofi Annan is a fuckin crook, bald faced lying piece of shit. Don't believe a word he says - he talks out of both side of his face. Trust him, or the U.N. with him as Secretary-General - well.... NOT ME.
CowgirlBebop	Date: September 4, 2003 @ 4:10 PM http://entertainment.msn.com/news/article.aspx?news=132811" id="61219">Does anyone know that the city of Berlin spents more on the arts then the whole USA? Really? That's odd. Johnny sez: http://entertainment.msn.com/news/article.aspx?news=132811
billhudson	Date: September 16, 2003 @ 5:17 PM http://www.takebackthemedia.com/triwimp.html Still Pickin' Bill Hudson" id="62235">LOL, OK Gene, I've what to post this for a while but have been up to my ears. I could go on and on how baby Bush and his crew was so ill prepared for this war and what happens after killing is done. Now his is going to the UN, go figure. Is the USA in the world? One has the impression theses guys are making it up as they go. But here is a neat little film you might enjoy. http://www.takebackthemedia.com/triwimp.html Still Pickin' Bill Hudson
Karmatic	Date: September 16, 2003 @ 8:27 PM I'm going to vote Bush. Not a doubt in my mind. Everybody criticizes him but he's done nothing wrong. Every time you blame him for something, just think about this: what would Gore have done in his situation? Not much more. So stop being left-wing hippy fucks and do something besides complain.
milladrive	Date: September 16, 2003 @ 8:37 PM Why do I hafta choose between two parties, anyway? I don't particularly like either of the two major parties. :shrug: And, uhh, how old are you again? You'll be "voting" for whom now? :o ;) heh :p" id="62248">"..left-wing hippy fucks.." Hmm. Why do I hafta choose between two parties, anyway? I don't particularly like either of the two major parties. And, uhh, how old are you again? You'll be "voting" for whom now? heh
sinai	Date: September 16, 2003 @ 8:44 PM let's juss blow it all up, return to our caves and give it back to the apes
Karmatic	Date: September 16, 2003 @ 8:50 PM I don't believe in being in one party over another, I'd rather pick the better cantidate than vote striaght-ticket for one.
flamingpyro	Date: September 17, 2003 @ 12:14 AM GREEN!
billhudson	Date: September 17, 2003 @ 11:37 AM > takes to defend freedom.") Politicians don't say, "Whatever it takes > to make sure > > every child in this country has a decent education." Or, "Whatever it > takes to deal with the worst health pandemic in the history of the > world (HIV/AIDS)." When it comes to the military, there is neither a > sense of proportion, nor of trade offs. > > This state of affairs is a tribute to the military contractors and > political leaders who have ridden to power by instilling fear in the > populace. It can be traced in no small part to campaign contributions > and lobbyist influence, but the problem runs much deeper than that. > Fear has > > penetrated deep into the culture. > > But the administration's overreach in Iraq now offers an opportunity > to create a new sense of priorities. It is now even more apparent > than it was before the war that Iraq posed no security threat to the > United States. And the sums of money requested by the administration > -- and more will be coming -- are so extraordinary that they > practically demand consideration of alternative expenditures. > > After all, you really can do quite a bit with $87 billion. Still Pickin' Bill Hudson " id="62273">Here is what a friend sent me, makes one wonder...... For example: The World Health Organization (WHO) and other UN bodies estimate the cost of providing treatment and prevention services in developing countries for tuberculosis, HIV/AIDS and malaria at $12 billion a year. The WHO Commission on Macroeconomics and Health estimated that donor investment of $27 billion a year, including expenditures on TB, AIDS and malaria, as well as to eliminate death and suffering from other infectious diseases and nutritional deficiencies, could save 8 million lives a year. That's eight million lives. A year. The UN Development Program estimated in 1998 that the annual additional cost of achieving basic education for all was $6 billion. Prefer to spend some or all of the money at home? Even in the United States, where the dollar doesn't go as far, $87 billion can perform some pretty impressive feats. For example, according to Business Leaders for Sensible Priorities, it would only cost $6 billion a year to provide health insurance to all uninsured children in the United States. You can provide Head Start and Early Head Start to all eligible children for $8 billion annually. You can reduce class size to 15 students per teacher in all first-, second- and third-grade classrooms for $11 billion a year. For $87 billion, you could eliminate the backlog of maintenance needs at national parks nearly 15 times over. You could cover more than half the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)-estimated 20-year investment needs to ensure safe drinking water throughout the United States. You could more than double the annual capital expenditures needed to improve public transportation in the United States, according to estimates of the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials. You could provide almost half of the overall funding EPA says is needed to provide clean watersheds in the United States, including through wastewater treatment, sewer upgrades and nonpoint source pollution control. It just so happens, as the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities points out, that $87 billion is almost exactly what all departments in the federal government combined spend annually on education, training, employment and social services. So you could fund that for a year. If you looked at the $87 billion as found money, and wanted to do something unorthodox, you could eliminate California's state budget deficit two times over. And, you would still have enough left over to enable the Detroit Tigers (baseball's worst team) next year to field a team full of Alex Rodriguez's. Rodriguez, at $25 million a year, is baseball's highest-paid player. A full roster -- 25 players -- of Rodriguez's would cost $625 million. We accept that having imposed devastating economic sanctions on Iraq for a decade and twice waged war on the country, the United States has a major obligation to support reconstruction in Iraq. But three-quarters of the president's request is for military expenses, not reconstruction, the request follows a previous $79 billion appropriation, additional requests are certain to follow, and much of the money being spent on reconstruction is being funneled as poorly scrutinized corporate welfare to Bush and Vice President Cheney's buddies at companies like Halliburton and Bechtel. If one steps back for a moment, it is evident that there is a long list of expenditures that would do more to improve the world, and more to improve U.S. security if reasonably defined, than what the president proposes to do in Iraq. A strange circumstance has evolved in the United States. Military expenditures can be justified at almost any level. ("Whatever it takes to defend freedom.") Politicians don't say, "Whatever it takes to make sure every child in this country has a decent education." Or, "Whatever it takes to deal with the worst health pandemic in the history of the world (HIV/AIDS)." When it comes to the military, there is neither a sense of proportion, nor of trade offs. This state of affairs is a tribute to the military contractors and political leaders who have ridden to power by instilling fear in the populace. It can be traced in no small part to campaign contributions and lobbyist influence, but the problem runs much deeper than that. Fear has penetrated deep into the culture. But the administration's overreach in Iraq now offers an opportunity to create a new sense of priorities. It is now even more apparent than it was before the war that Iraq posed no security threat to the United States. And the sums of money requested by the administration -- and more will be coming -- are so extraordinary that they practically demand consideration of alternative expenditures. After all, you really can do quite a bit with $87 billion. Still Pickin' Bill Hudson
thumbtack	Date: September 17, 2003 @ 12:09 PM So who do the liberals call to defend them when their ideas blow up in ther face and they need help The consevatives. "We got the guns" Clinton gutted the military, its a shadow of its former self. We don't even defend our borders..instead we issue drivers licenses, and send their kids to school, provide welfare. Any other country in the world illegal immigrants are considered invaders and jailed or shot..
billhudson	Date: September 17, 2003 @ 1:27 PM Still Pickin' Bill H. " id="62277">thumbtack, lol, as of right now in the Bush back yard there are some changes going on. They now see how ill prepared they were. The stacks are very high and this guy screwed it up, plain and simple. Take a look at what the in the enconomy world are saying. "They keep saying they're not after the oil, well they sure as hell are not leaving without it"-Jim Hightower Still Pickin' Bill H.
furiousBall	Date: September 17, 2003 @ 1:43 PM http://www.georgeinthebox.com/" id="62278">http://www.georgeinthebox.com/
billhudson	Date: September 17, 2003 @ 1:49 PM thats a funny one vandaman. Now wher can we put the poor guy? Got beer? Still Pickin' Bill H.
davidcooper	Date: September 17, 2003 @ 2:04 PM If you don't like America then you can geeeeeeeeeeeeet ouuuuut, to quote South Park. It's worse over here in England with ol' Tony "Tax" Blair and his cronies who like to eat the occasional money pie and invent new taxes with which to tax people of all their money so they end up getting loans and getting in debt!
davidcooper	Date: September 17, 2003 @ 2:05 PM Still, you've got to laugh haven't you (I've always wanted to say that).
billhudson	Date: September 17, 2003 @ 2:33 PM I told him I was from the Bronx, not Russia. Still Pickin' B.H." id="62286">I remember a teacher telling me," Why don't you go back to Russia?" I told him I was from the Bronx, not Russia. Still Pickin' B.H.
billhudson	Date: September 18, 2003 @ 9:44 AM "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism. It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service. I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested. During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents. - Smedley Darlington Butler, Major General - United States Marine Corps [Retired] Still Pickin' Bill Hudson [Awarded two congressional medals of honor, for capture of Vera Cruz, Mexico, 1914, and for capture of Ft. Riviere, Haiti, 1917, Distinguished service medal, 1919, Retired Oct. 1, 1931, Republican Candidate for Senate, 1932] " id="62354">Got this this morning and it just shows how things do and don't change.. Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC. War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses. I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag. I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket. There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism. It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service. I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested. During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents. - Smedley Darlington Butler, Major General - United States Marine Corps [Retired] Still Pickin' Bill Hudson [Awarded two congressional medals of honor, for capture of Vera Cruz, Mexico, 1914, and for capture of Ft. Riviere, Haiti, 1917, Distinguished service medal, 1919, Retired Oct. 1, 1931, Republican Candidate for Senate, 1932]
DetroitJimmy	Date: September 26, 2003 @ 2:58 AM now is almost successfull at removing your bill of rights. My Namesake Uncle died in WWII so that I could say anything I want about anyone I want in this country while George Bushes Grandfather was selling steel to Tne Natzis to make antiaircraft shells to shoot down my uncles' plane leaving Germany after we supposedly won the war.We are being 'led like sheep to the slauter. And they're blaming the whole world and you believe it. Don't try to revolution. The National Guard were designed right after the war to prevent upheaval from US Citizens 30 years before U and I were born. God Dam " id="63007"> I got an easy one. look up "Bush Family" on the internet. Find out Grampa Joe Bush and his croneys got caught selling steel to the Natzis Financed through his investment buddys bank they owned together, He owned the steel companys and the contracts threw the US government got tried for treason or something and found guilty. George Senior and Saddam buddys at one time. Georgy Wargorgy, Your dumb little DUI president Was in a jam around 1985 with another Bush family bank scandal to add to they're Investments around the same time Georgy had new friends The Binladin family where he and binladins invested with the Bush family in oil fields in America that never evolved. You think it was any mistake Binladin hit the twin towers?..an investment establishment?. They are not mad at you and me. If Bush was not in office the Twin Towers would still be standing. You people seem to forget so convieniently and wonder how shit happens out of the clear blue. Your Pres now is almost successfull at removing your bill of rights. My Namesake Uncle died in WWII so that I could say anything I want about anyone I want in this country while George Bushes Grandfather was selling steel to Tne Natzis to make antiaircraft shells to shoot down my uncles' plane leaving Germany after we supposedly won the war.We are being 'led like sheep to the slauter. And they're blaming the whole world and you believe it. Don't try to revolution. The National Guard were designed right after the war to prevent upheaval from US Citizens 30 years before U and I were born. God Dam
mracky	Date: September 26, 2003 @ 3:12 PM Did anyone see Bush address the United Nations? I saw him on a tv in an airpost where you couldn't hear his voice. His left thumb periodically rubs the fingers of his hand. It is strikingly reminiscent of Bogey in the final scene of the Caine Mutiny, where Queeg is shown to be mentally instable.
billhudson	Date: September 28, 2003 @ 11:50 PM Point is.... you save alot of money if you don't spend it on the army,navy,air force. And it seems to be working in a small country. Funny one mracky, makes one wonder if he is going to start doing the Dick thing. Still Pickin' Bill H." id="63384">Good point De-troit! Listen to Jim Hightower (who is funny as hell) and its interesting how wars get started when there is alot of money around. No money=no war/tons of money=a few folks want not some of it, but ALL of it. I was At Pete Seegers place the other day. And had to go to NYC. Pete said, "well I have to go too, lets ride all together" I said ,"why do you have to go to NYC?" He told me the goverment from a small country between Spain and France wanted him to play for their goverment while they were in town. And Pete told me this country does not spend very much on the Army and so on. As a matter of fact they don't spend anything on it. And ya know what? All their products are cheaper. So trucks are coming in from other countries and making a mark up. Point is.... you save alot of money if you don't spend it on the army,navy,air force. And it seems to be working in a small country. Funny one mracky, makes one wonder if he is going to start doing the Dick thing. Still Pickin' Bill H.
stizz	Date: October 1, 2003 @ 7:42 PM