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Woof	Date: January 16, 2004 @ 4:32 AM Well, I guess I've been around this bbs long enough now, to start pissing people off... and with elections coming up in November, here in the US, I thought it might be a good time to reminisce about the seemingly unbeatable GW... There's the tax cuts, which were a nice reward to the faithful rich. Of course, there hasn't been much of a middle class over here, since before the Reagan administration. So now the corporate interests are sure to stay in control of the poor (that's us, folks). Then he wanted Saddam's head on a platter. Told us we were going after weapons of mass destruction, despite the inspections not finding any. That didn't seem to matter, of course. He wanted Saddam's head. So we went in anyway. No WMD's were found. So the reason for the invasion was changed, instead of admitting he made a mistake. Now, we were there to free the Iraqis. Of course, we weren't there to free the Iraqis, when we originally went. We were there to find WMD's. But that didn't matter. GW wanted Saddam's head on a platter, and he got his wish. Then we get to rebuild Iraq. Guess who gets the contract? Halliburton... Dick Cheney's old company. No bidding. No competition. Just a huge multibillion dollar contract for a giant corporation. More rewards for the upper class. But it doesn't stop there, either. Now, after turning the largest surplus in US history, into the largest deficit in US history, King Bush wants a space program. And I'm willing he's going to get it. Will there be any money left over, to cover the uninsured, or extend unemployment for the 3.5 million who lost their jobs since 9-11? Who knows? GW will get his rockets. So... I have a feeling that this is just going to go on, and on, for four more years, 'cause even though I like Clark, it looks like Dean will be the democratic candidate running against Bush. And a lot of democrats like Dean... I do, too... but he appears weak, in the light of the mighty Bush's magnificence. This bothers me. Mostly, this bothers me because it's gone this far, without showing any sign of stopping. How far is too far? Well, apparently we're not there yet. Growing up, I was taught to question authority, which is what I'm doing here. I don't believe that's unpatriotic. I'm behind our troops in Iraq 100%. They have orders to follow, and IMHO they're doing a job that a lot of us would never take on. I do, however, question the motives of the leadership that sent 'em there. November is not that far away. And I'm wondering if nothing short of a Deux Ex Machina will be able to inject some levelheadedness. I'm no genius... and so I'll close this post somply by asking: What the heck is going on? All The Best, Mike.
Cryxan	Date: January 16, 2004 @ 5:20 AM I think the worst thing by far that came out of that administration was the Patriot Act. We lost so many rights with it it isn't even funny. I don't like the Republicans OR the Democrats. I've been voting pretty consistantly Libertarian lately.
TameasDust	Date: January 16, 2004 @ 7:59 AM In canada we elect people to have them go away for four years or more ... we don't really care what they do as long as they don't come over for dinner
Woof	Date: January 16, 2004 @ 9:50 PM Tameas... wish I was there... Thx a million for the references, Cryxan... I had to research the Libertarian party, 'cause I've been fairly unfamiliar with where they're at... but I like what I've found, so far... although I doubt they'll be taking over for Bush... the only sad fact. For the benefit of those unfamiliar with the party, their official website can be found at: http://www.lp.org/ Also, there's a sort of biased, but very effective overview of the rights we've lost, due to the Patriot Act on the EFF site (gotta love the EFF!!!!). Here's the link: http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance/Terrorism/20011031_eff_usa_patriot_analysis.php Much Appreciated, Mike.
sinai	Date: January 16, 2004 @ 10:00 PM yeah...the Democrats are the worst excuse for a political party, Bush wouldn't even be in office if they could keep their head screwed on straight, I'd like to see Clark, but you're right, it's more than likely Dean either is better than Bush anyone but Bush dead elvis, better than Bush
Woof	Date: January 16, 2004 @ 10:14 PM "dead elvis, better than Bush" "Bush must go." ...Michael Moore, in his letter to Wesley Clark, urging him to run for the presidency. Thanks, Mike.
Cryxan	Date: January 16, 2004 @ 10:27 PM Yo Mike, thanks for your interest in the party. Yeah it definitely isn't in a position to take over the presidency yet, but the party had been growing steadily, and I think there's hope. It's filled with people who are sick of gov't control, and that population is growing every day. But first, step one: dismantle the two-party system we've cornered ourselves into.
sinai	Date: January 16, 2004 @ 10:31 PM yup...love me some Mike Moore
Woof	Date: January 16, 2004 @ 11:11 PM You betcha! Anyhow, I'm not into promotion, but I wanted to mention that I have put up some links that may be of interest, both generally and politically... a couple of the ones near the top of the list (except for downhillbattle) are personal friends' sites, the rest are not. If you've got an extra hour sometime to surf the web, y'all might find some of this worthwhile: http://www.redcandleonline.com/links.html Hope This Helps, Mike.
JC123	Date: January 20, 2004 @ 9:40 AM Heh... Taking the Libertarian quiz, I'm more in line with the green party than the Libertarian. I like my freedom and believe that people can do whatever they want in their hourse but punishing people for finding cures (no matter how temporary) is just wrong. I'm just wondering is the vote going to be split by Dean and Clark come election time...?
TameasDust	Date: January 20, 2004 @ 9:58 AM something on the green party and not being allowed on a flight ... http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17540 was in the news somewhere ... too tired to think right now
JC123	Date: January 21, 2004 @ 11:26 AM wow... just... wow... This is one reason I don't necessarily want to join politics...
Slurgi	Date: January 21, 2004 @ 11:59 PM Well said RedCandle, although you referenced to good ol' Michael Moore, a man i'm like just about as much as i do Bush. On the plus side, i attended the democratic caucus in Iowa (since thats where i live... and i'm just barely old enough to attend and the general opinion of the people there was that they were for ABB. Thats Anybody But Bush. I cant say i care too much for Dean, but Kerry and Edwards seem good. Gephardt too but he's gone. When talking to classmates in government they were afraid that Kerry wouldnt be a good leader because he would be 'too afraid to go to war' since he has been there. What a bunch of crap. If he's been there, he is the man that would know if war is worth it, unlike Bush, who has lived oh-so-happily with his political family. I will never vote for someone with the last name of Bush, ever. They are just... really... stupid
ronnie71	Date: January 22, 2004 @ 2:29 AM too bad we dont have any real choices coming in this election.... the last time was joke.. democrat or republican they all feed off the corporate dollar so the issues never matter just how many votes one can buy.. FUCK 'EM ALL
CowgirlBebop	Date: January 22, 2004 @ 9:29 AM I'm a Libertarian Yay. But I'm still voting for Edwards in the caucus. How stupid are the caucuses anyway? I mean, it's us (MI) and IA, and 10 other states, and that's it. Everyone should just have closed primaries---much better. But yeah, Bush sucks, and the State of the Union was embarrassing.
Svensta	Date: January 22, 2004 @ 9:46 AM I'm an independent myself. As for all this Hussien-WMD bullshit, does ANYONE actually believe life would be improved with Hussein still in control of Iraq? It needed to be done, whatever you wanted to use as a motivating factor. Anybody tells you different, they are usually a flaming democrat, or just a Bush-hater. I really do wonder if we will EVER be able to shake free of the two-party system. I think it would be the only TRUE bipartisan effort to make sure American politics stays that way. So much money, power and influence have gone into keeping the status quo. I voted for Perot twice, mainly just to see what would happen if there were a few dozen million people thinking the same way.
ashleighj	Date: January 22, 2004 @ 11:48 AM "There's the tax cuts, which were a nice reward to the faithful rich. Of course, there hasn't been much of a middle class over here, since before the Reagan administration." two ways to look at this one.. the richest americans pay the largest percentage of taxes. (you've heard of "higher tax brackets", i'm sure.) i forget the exact statistics, but the richest 1% pay about 30% of all income tax, and the richest 50% pay about 90% of all taxes. so you could say they _do_ deserve a tax cut. or the other view.. these rich people earned their money one way or another, and then the government takes away some of it. the government isn't giving these people a damn thing. they're just taking less from them. as for no middle class.. we have a huge middle class. we have cars, we have refrigerators, we have nice tv sets, some own homes. i can't call that "being poor". rich? no. but certainly not poor. as for saddam.. bush messed this whole thing up from the start. incidently, they were proclaiming this was about liberation from the first day troops landed. what a lie. anyhow, the reason to go over there should have been to enforce saddam's compliance with 17 U.N. resolutions. and it should have been done before bush even got elected. but anyways... "Will there be any money left over, to cover the uninsured, or extend unemployment for the 3.5 million who lost their jobs since 9-11? Who knows? GW will get his rockets." it's not (or shouldn't be, at least) the responsibility of government to provide health or unemployment insurance. or rockets for reasons other than strategic defense. gee, haven't we heard that excuse for rockets before? reagin (sp?) maybe? "Growing up, I was taught to question authority, which is what I'm doing here. I don't believe that's unpatriotic." it's not unpatriotic. these people who think questioning the government is unpatriotic don't have a clue why this country exists in the first place. so keep on at it. signed, ashleigh j libertarian voter opposed to g.w. bush's b.s. (not that i'm totally sure my vote is being counted now that we've got diebold doing it.....) oh, since this is a bush rant, i may as well toss it all in.. first, he wants to ignore the constitution long enough to start his faith-based initiatives thing where he gives my money to churches for me. now he wants to ammend the constitution to make sure no gay people will get married. 'cause they're the ones making marriage so devalued. not those people who get divorced after a few months and leave hundreds of thousands of children in single-parent homes. george, dear, if you can ignore the constitution, why can't anyone else? bastard.
Svensta	Date: January 22, 2004 @ 11:52 AM You know, those are some good facts in regards to taxes, Ash, and NOT because I happen to agree with you. It DOES make sense that in ANY form of tax break, those that pay the most taxes would see the most benefit. And yes, globally, you cannot consider us 'poor'. Poor are the lean-tos in dirt-road villages where there is no penicillin. Poor is NOT lacking the money for a Hummer H2 and having to settle for an economy car. If you have cable tv and more than one car, you really can't call yourself 'poor'. The middle class is epic-sized. I also feel questioning authority is the best way to better it, and is not unpatriotic. The government is designed to be questioned, reformed, and/or torn down and adapted.
Gatherer	Date: January 22, 2004 @ 1:21 PM I'm also an Independent (belonging to the 20% who voted for Perot) and against the two-party system; I feel I have a unique perspective as I've worked for both Democrat & Republican candidates. It does cause confusion in the ranks because my voting record shows equal participation in both Dem & Repub caucuses. The people who keep the books don’t know how to classify me, just what I like. It sounds unbelievable, but I'm recruited to help because I don't speak the party line and don't care for politics per se. Because of this, I tend to concentrate on the things that I, the average voter, would want to know. I also don't care what party they belong to, as long as I can fundamentally agree with what the candidate espouses. What I discovered was a very structured, non-creative, robotic element that the two party system has created and nurtured. God forbid if a Dem decides to endorse a Republican or vice versa. The pressure to conform to what is expected is enormous. To me, the real appeal of any candidate is when they have the guts to cross party lines. I have no respect for people who vote straight party line; no respect for people who don’t think for themselves and vote for the same candidate their spouse votes for; and absolutely no respect for people like Katherine Harris, a wealthy socialite, bored being an events chair so she buys the seat of Florida’s secretary of state, and now looks to run for US Senate! Sadly, it’s all about money and who you know... As for GW Bush? To know that the Bush family had a meeting to decide who should be president first, GW or Jeb, is laughable. Because GW was the elder, we have been blessed with a prez who has less real work experience than most of us at this site. I do admit, though, that I know nothing about owning a baseball team. Hey, did I get off-topic?
Gatherer	Date: January 22, 2004 @ 5:11 PM Upon re-reading my post, I realized that clarification was needed so I don't inadvertently insult anyone! Voting straight party line is okay as long as the voter knows for whom he/she is voting. Too many people will vote for the candidiate in a particular party, regardless if that person is the scum of the earth, just because of party affiliation. It's like they don't want to know the truth to keep their bubble from bursting. Ok....off my now.
Jazzmary2U	Date: January 22, 2004 @ 6:10 PM Ashleighj.. your vote DOES COUNT.. and more, if you get a coupla friends to vote, too.. that is the ONLY WAY things will change this year.. Don't forget, folks that the president is only one person.. one third of US congress will change, too.. just as important, because then some of this garbage.. like the Patriot Act, for instance or the stupid copyright legislation will be voted into history.. so get informed, get pissed, get registered, take your and VOTE THE BASTARDS OUT!!!
ashleighj	Date: January 22, 2004 @ 8:32 PM mary -- i'll keep voting, but when diebold's election machines have reported candidates to have a _negative_ number of votes.. that's what i'm talking about, not the "one person can't matter" syndrome. do a google search for "diebold memos" if you'd like to know all about it.
Woof	Date: January 23, 2004 @ 3:02 AM Jeez! I'm really happy to see so many activists here! Ya just never know, unless you ask I'm thinking about a lot of the things that have been mentioned here... of course, I'm still wondering about some issues... but I do find it reassuring that there are good folks out there, who are trying to make things a little better. I still don't know about the class thing... I know we're living well here, as long as we're living well here. (that's not gibberish... there are a lot of folks I've talked to recently... single moms who had to sell their trailers, people out of work for a year or more... filing for bankruptcy because their savings ran out... seniors who have to live on $10 a week for groceries, 'cause their medication's too expensive... people moving out of their homes, and in with friends and relatives... that sort of thing.) I guess if it's looked at like rungs on a ladder, it's all relative... the ability to move up a rung, with each generation. That's the sign of a good economy. How many of us are ever comfortable staying at a stagnant level of productivity? We always want better for our, and our familys' future. But better is not where we're at these days. Folks are in trouble. So deep in debt, that homelesness or being on the dole are sometimes just six months' loss of pay away. I don't mean to sound ungrateful for what I've got. Believe me, I appreciate all of it. But that doesn't mean it's all that secure, either. Our future is becoming increasingly uncertain. And I think Americans are sort of paranoid these days, because they realize that. And frightened people often do desperate things. As M. Moore pointed out, folks who live in Canada have a sense of inner peace. They know that they'll be taken care of, one way or another. They'll eat. Thay'll have health care. A roof over their heads. Americans can't say that. As for Saddam, I think everybody agreed he had to go. It's how we went about doing it, that fractured our alliances. The allies that we cried out for, after 9-11, weren't standing up for us anymore. Even now, many are neutral. The question remains: Do the folks in power here, feel as though we now have license to wage war, unprovoked, against whomever we see fit? I don't know. But there is a suspicion it's true. Like I said, I'm no genius... nor am I extremely studied, politically... and all of this could be really wrong... at the risk of being over-the-top, all I can say is that I see a man in power, who has a lot of power... and it appears that his actions are as vainglorious, as they are historic. That bothers me a lot. And better Dean or Kerry than him. Better others, as well... but the election being won is the only way I can see power changing hands at the moment. All The Best, Mike.
Celdivison	Date: January 23, 2004 @ 3:12 AM Yes. Its already in the air. Smell it? I sure do. Its the smell of our dying government. Rotten. It just rankles that a complete fucking moron has control over the direction of my life. Oh? Whats that you say? Bush is NOT a fucking moron? Well your in luck my young padawan for I have provided a LINK to prove OTHERWISE http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view.php?id=131059
Woof	Date: January 23, 2004 @ 3:29 AM "The past is over"... have to remember that one!

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