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ConcreteVisionz	Date: February 8, 2004 @ 11:43 PM I been listening to different people on this site and it seems that everybody i listen to has NO TALENT at all....dont these people get embarrased to let the world hear them???????i know there are people on this site that are actually good, i just haven't found them yet....not only that but alot of tha people i've been hearing are gettin props like a mu!@#fu$%^....does anybody agree???? Also check out my site and leave me a comment please, i have artists from my studio up here http://concrete_visionz.dmusic.com
Veracohr	Date: February 8, 2004 @ 11:46 PM Don't you get embarrassed about your poor punctuation skills? Don't you get embarrassed about the fact you you misspelled "visions"? Insulting people isn't usually a good way of attracting people to your music.
TameasDust	Date: February 9, 2004 @ 12:12 AM Insulting people is a very good way to get ignored in a hurry ... right after the major ripping your bound to attract ... I personally have listened to many on here ... from beginners to experts and all have their great music ... music they put their heart and soul into ... I may not like or greatly like what they have done, but I respect the hard work they went through to produce their music ... with an attitude like yours you would fit in quite well at soundclick ... as you are as anal retentive as the rest of them
ConcreteVisionz	Date: February 9, 2004 @ 1:08 AM i respect everybody that puts their heart and soul into their music or anything for that matter, but just because u want to be something doesn't mean its possible..... my cousin is the same way, for some unknown reason he TRYS to rap, and i tell him the same thing, just stop trying ( as a profession or further anything in it)....but to just do it is perfectly fine....just because somebody aint good doesn't mean that it doesn't help them out by gettin stuff off of their chest....but if somebody is tryin to make it in a certain field, so they dont waste time and money and a life, they need to be told if they should persue a career in that field, its only right for everybody involved....i give constructive criticizm, even to my self...i have listen to some things i have done and wondered how tha hell i thought it was hott...oh yeah and veracohr, im not embarrassed about anything. Everything i misspelled is like that purposely. One thing you might not know about in music is, not everything has to be proper..that is actually one of the greatest things about music...but it seems u dont know much about music(obviously)
TameasDust	Date: February 9, 2004 @ 1:12 AM oh oh ...
SpicoliInc	Date: February 9, 2004 @ 1:38 AM Flicks booger on Concrete
MikeGruz	Date: February 9, 2004 @ 2:15 AM Yeah, I agree, you should always crush somebody's goals and aspirations if they're not "there" yet. I mean...I'm sure that Hendrix wrote "Machine Gun" the very first moment he picked up the guitar--and I'm sure if you listen to studio bootlegs of the Beatles in their Sgt. Pepper phase, it sounds just like the finished product.... I'd flick a booger too, but I flicked my last at the wall a couple hours ago
MikeGruz	Date: February 9, 2004 @ 2:17 AM What a dumbshit.... flick found one!!
cryo-e	Date: February 9, 2004 @ 8:46 AM I think you'll find Veracohr knows quite a bit about music.
Svensta	Date: February 9, 2004 @ 8:54 AM Another short-lived member, methinks.
johnnygnote	Date: February 9, 2004 @ 9:12 AM When I was playing music in Austin TX during the 70's there was this young guy who would come out on the street to play, He really sucked..but he loved what he was doing and he didn't care if people liked it or not because he did. I would encourage him and even toss him a buck or two occasionaly. At the time I was hanging out with some pretty heavy cats, Famous musicians that I won't bother to name. Most people would nake fun of this young guy but he just kept on playing and singing. Soon I left Austin and then Texas and headed out west and didn't return to Austin until 1994 for a reunion at a Bar I use to play at. There was this band that night they got up and started to play and they rocked. The singer was one of the best singers I had heard in a long time. It was the kid who sucked 20 something years before. Never judge a musician or a person who isn't as good as you or as good as you think they should be. Some day they may end up being better than you and even maybe famous.
kredd	Date: February 9, 2004 @ 10:53 AM tru dat...
ConcreteVisionz	Date: February 9, 2004 @ 11:27 AM im not sayin shut down their hopes and dreams but constructive criticizm is all, instead of gassin somebody's head up thinkin something is hott...instead of sayin yo yo yo its hott, say its hott but i think if u did this it would sound better, or sayin what they need help with....tell them they are getting better or they can do better, give them constructive opinions...have you guys ever seen American Idol?????simon does that, he gives honest constructive criticizm from a professional point of view......maybe i have high expectations.....but im definitely not sayin shut somebody down completely cuz i wouldn't like that if it was done to me, but people have given me constructive criticizm and it worked....i've been told if a song is wack or if its missin something or if i should do or say something different...it helps....now if those same people told me, its hott, its hott, i would be makin the same old mistakes over and over again
TameasDust	Date: February 9, 2004 @ 12:13 PM if this ain't a put down in this link I dunna know what is http://www.dmusic.com/forum/promotions/8058#3 ... and who made you god to be the leader of all things music ...
mawcs	Date: February 9, 2004 @ 12:26 PM destructive is discouraging like "you can't be serious...y the hell did u put that song on your site?" You are destructive. You really think that somebody you insulted is going to have anything nice to say to you? Are you seeing a whole lot of people listen? Lots of comments after this? You won't catch me listening or commenting until you apologize. (sorry to everyone else, I'm in a bad mood.:dismay:)" id="85242">(I declare this forum greyscale!) @ConcreteVisionz You should be And btw, your stinks. Get it out of here. I saw that post that Tameasdust linked to before I got here. I haven't seen anything constuctive come from your keyboard. And, in case you misunderstand: constructive in encouragining like "Hey I relly like ____, but maybe try ____ to give it more feel." destructive is discouraging like "you can't be serious...y the hell did u put that song on your site?" You are destructive. You really think that somebody you insulted is going to have anything nice to say to you? Are you seeing a whole lot of people listen? Lots of comments after this? You won't catch me listening or commenting until you apologize. (sorry to everyone else, I'm in a bad mood.)
CowgirlBebop	Date: February 9, 2004 @ 2:24 PM I'm laughing because every time that guy posts his grammar/punctuation skills get worse. Oh, am I being mean?
Veracohr	Date: February 9, 2004 @ 2:26 PM I know you misspelled things on purpose, Concrete. I was being facetious. Sure, not everything in music has to be popular, but I AM the DMusic spelling I don't see why anyone should be embarrassed about doing their best and having fun. Not everyone who make music is trying to "make it".
BenRebel	Date: February 9, 2004 @ 4:01 PM NO one should be embarrased to post here because I thought it was to grow get comments from others that have been doing this stuff longer or at least have better options to think about.. I know I'm always learning
ConcreteVisionz	Date: February 9, 2004 @ 4:07 PM I understand that, Verocohr. Like I said, there is no problem with what you are saying. Maybe I am just too anal. I am a competitive perfectionist. I was under the impression that the people on this site were trying to "make it". I thought they were trying to be heard, trying to promote themselves. And I do agree with you guys 100% that people shouldn't be shut down. Also, I admit I was wrong for saying that (you can't be serious....), and I apologize if it offended anyone. I will practice on CONSTRUCTIVE not DESTRUCTIVE criticizm, ok.
BenRebel	Date: February 9, 2004 @ 4:31 PM The one thing most should remember some of us have been doing this for years and we are at diffrent stages in this games but just because I may have been doing this for more than 18 years do not mean that someone doing it for 5 year will not have something of value in his or her opinon of my work I value it all good or bad .. there are some in here that although very raw in its performance I see the value if it was done a little diffrently. some brag that maybe should not.. some do not see there own value but what do I know everyone that has talked to me know this is a business to me so my outlook is diffrent I enjoy it yes.. I love making music there's nothing like it.. but this is a business to me.. hey my son loves my stuff but sometimes tells me sometimes "dad I don't like that beat" I ask him why .. and "he tells me" and sometimes I say go in your room !! lol ! (no I don't)sometimes he has a piont.. there is alot of value in that ........but I will tell you years a ago someone well known came to my house when i was first starting out and your music is crap ! (but you told me why he said that) two years later I got my first deal and ran into him at a label and all he said was "you listened to me..I was hoping you really wanted this because I knew you had promise" hmmm there is a piont in all this lol I forgot what it was lol....
four15wear	Date: February 9, 2004 @ 4:50 PM ok, i see that concrete has already apologized for the "you can't be serious" line he posted in one of my threads, but i gotta put down my 2 cents worth (and for some reason i can't post in my thread, so i'll do it here). First of all, i asked for some constructive criticizm (thanks mawcs) for my beats, NOT the one song that i have on my page. That song was just me and my friends having fun and we did it in an hour with $50 worth of software (i don't have 5 grand to drop on a home-recording studio and if i did, i wouldn't spend it on that cuz i'm not that serious about my music). Music (in my case, hip-hop) is just a way for me to be creative and to have fun while at the same time expressing myself... Would you tell someone that likes to draw to stop drawing because they're not as good as Picasso, Rembrandt, or Da Vince? No! Music is the same way, and i'm sure a lot of people on here don't make music for recognition or money; they do it for the love of music. Andrew "Yun Relic" http://ics.dmusic.com/
jess1561	Date: February 9, 2004 @ 9:42 PM You can't judge every artist from just hearing a few!!! -Jess
Thaspian	Date: February 9, 2004 @ 10:00 PM Why the hell would a rapper, of anyone, try to say who else sucks? To answer, yes, I do find I hate a lot of independent music. Call me insane, but when you take away standards, you get pretty shitty stuff. I mostly prefer independent techno stuff, rap occasionally, yet independent rock just sucks most of the time.
Woof	Date: February 9, 2004 @ 11:01 PM I'm just gonna reply to this thread once, while it's still on top, 'cause every new reply bumps it back up, and promotes what I see as a really counterproductive message. Bottom line: People have tastes, and they have standards. That's fine. For one person to state that their standards are the measuring stick by which all music should be judged, goes beyond cocky or egotistical. It's just plain ignorant. Ignorant. As in "ignore" the value in what somebody whose work you've just happened upon, and blow it off as pointless 'cause maybe the production values don't suit your particular taste. It's a lousy thing to say, and goes down in print as a putdown on other artists to make your own stuff sound like Gods' gift to the site. Music reflects the thoughts and emotions of the person or people who make it, and from what I've read in these very judgmental, self-centered, thinly veiled promotional attempts, this is not a person I want to know, much less, listen to. Concrete, in all frankness, you're behaving like an ass. Join the community, and support the artists if you want to be part of something bigger than yourself. Otherwise, I suggest you set up camp where your self-proclaimed superiority won't get interference from individuals that you perceive as lesser than yourself. Preferably on webspace far away from here. This is not the way to make friends. But it's not about cameraderie to you, is it? It's about success. Yours. So go "make it", then... and leave those of us who want to interact, free to do so. Must be lonely at the top...
dantys	Date: February 9, 2004 @ 11:07 PM
kredd	Date: February 10, 2004 @ 1:12 AM dude, he apologizes and 6 posts later people are still goin' off. he said he was sorry...let it go. :hugs: but if it happens again you are in 'time-out'
kredd	Date: February 10, 2004 @ 1:16 AM - there we go
johnnygnote	Date: February 10, 2004 @ 2:09 AM BenRebel well said. Kredd you are right on Concrete I've said it before to others just kick back and ease in to the community, I understand where you're comming from and you're apology is noble. things can get out of hand around here real fast. It's like BenRebel said. A lot of us are at different stages of the game some "been there done that" and some "still haven't been there and want to do that". Yoo cool man, just let it hang
MikeGruz	Date: February 10, 2004 @ 2:31 AM Yeah, sorry bout the boog man...didn't hit you in the eye, did I? I think one of the main problems with forums, email, chat, and whatnot is that things can be taken too literally. I mean, if you think about it, when you talk to somebody in person, you get a good idea of what they're trying to say just by listening to the tone of their voice and their facial expressions and so on. It's a lot harder to get the whole gist of the conversation without those things, which can be frustrating.
CrescentShadow	Date: February 10, 2004 @ 6:39 AM i can only imagine hes a rapper. i've yet to see any hip hop artist not be arrogant and self promoting..
ConcreteVisionz	Date: February 10, 2004 @ 9:32 AM nah mike, i dodged that boog, its all good...i have the speed of a mongoose and cat-like reflects
Maffmatix	Date: February 10, 2004 @ 1:08 PM CrescentShadow way to be ignorant.
Maffmatix	Date: February 10, 2004 @ 3:22 PM And I don't mean that in an asshole way, but what you said was a put down to the rappers on this site that aren't arogant... and trust me there is a good amount. On the subject of self promotion, what's wrong with that if it isn't over done?
BenRebel	Date: February 10, 2004 @ 4:25 PM I'm the greatest!!! :/ wait a minute I'm not a rapper
MickeyBreezy	Date: February 10, 2004 @ 4:26 PM theres no such thing as 2 much self promotion snoman.dmusic.com thasp, y dont u like us? lol snoman.dmusic.com crescentshadow, not all rappers r alike, u shoudnt stererotype us k. snoman.dmusic.com by the way check me out at snoman.dmusic.com
MickeyBreezy	Date: February 10, 2004 @ 4:29 PM DLB
mawcs	Date: February 10, 2004 @ 4:29 PM
Maffmatix	Date: February 10, 2004 @ 6:13 PM haha
CrescentShadow	Date: February 10, 2004 @ 7:42 PM I appologize to the non-stupid rappers. What i said was in the heat of the moment i suppose. possibly the reason i dont see the nonarrogant and retarded ones is because they arent the ones posting here OMFG EVERY1 LAME ME DA BEST YO... so sorry about that. the self promotion thing... this community is supposed to be driven by supporting others.. not boasting about yourself
MickeyBreezy	Date: February 10, 2004 @ 7:45 PM snoman.dmusic.com OMFG EVERY1 LAME ME DA BEST YO!!!!!!!!!1 holla
BenRebel	Date: February 11, 2004 @ 12:34 PM I support me
BenRebel	Date: February 11, 2004 @ 12:34 PM I support me
BenRebel	Date: February 11, 2004 @ 12:35 PM damn double post... finally got me
TameasDust	Date: February 11, 2004 @ 12:39 PM it was your eviltwin Ben ... blame him for the second one
djfacemachine	Date: February 11, 2004 @ 12:50 PM wow. what a buttface. i hope you get a splinter on the bottom of your foot and then it gets infected. jerk.
BenRebel	Date: February 11, 2004 @ 1:05 PM " id="85691">Yea he finally Got me
BenRebel	Date: February 11, 2004 @ 1:07 PM what the hell !! lol ok I give up
TameasDust	Date: February 11, 2004 @ 1:11 PM
Gatherer	Date: February 11, 2004 @ 1:55 PM Concrete took the high road by admitting he was wrong and apologized. He also did this fairly quickly in the thread which was refreshing to see. That's enough for me to go listen to his tracks. I do think, however, it's important to reiterate four15wear's comment about the cost of his software and his level of commitment to music. He does this for FUN and not expecting to "make it", like many (if not most) of the artists here. I'm just wondering if a lot of new users have the wrong expectations. Do they come here expecting everyone to have a professional sound and get turned off by the quality of the recording? I just hope they know that they need to look past the "quality" per se. I've heard stunning lyrics with muffled recordings and beautiful melodies with static. Does this make the music anything less than what it's supposed to be? ...that is, a vehicle for expression and something that elicits an emotional response in the listener? I think not. Just my :twocents:....
Gatherer	Date: February 11, 2004 @ 1:57 PM Gawd, I'm suffering from BenRebel syndrome.... there, all better now.
Pagan	Date: February 19, 2004 @ 5:13 AM i used to show my stuff to a freind who was kind of in the music business. and i dont think i was ever told whether it was good or bad. only if it was "marketable". I think concrete is thinking of music as to its marketability, not for its artistic merit alone. i must admit that i know what he is talking about when he said that the comments that follow a really bad song are way too complimentary, ive seen them (on my song page LOL!). i personally thought that kevbrocks music was really bad but on his comments page, people were comparing him to dylan and calling him a genius. I understand support is important but it diminishes the critics credibility if they comment positively on every song page.
TameasDust	Date: February 19, 2004 @ 6:07 AM Positive support of all music, seems to be the norm. Now just becuase I don't like a song or how it is represented doesn't mean that someone else will love the song. where do we draw the line of good or bad ... is it a personal dislike of the way the person recorded or created the song or is it a technical approval of the instruments the person plays ... that special lick that makes them different. just because a song is technically perfect don't make it a great song or a hit. where do we draw the line ???
Arthen	Date: February 19, 2004 @ 7:06 AM That's the thing. No point trying to draw a definitive line. No matter what it's no use debating till that extent. If you like it, that's all that matters, really. Sometimes you don't need an analytical explaination to just like or dislike something. You just enjoy it. Simple as that. Majority of the reasons why we choose to try and come up with a reason to why we like or dislike things are stemmed from societal pressures and alike. Question is, do we HAVE to? Why the fuck must we?
BenRebel	Date: February 19, 2004 @ 8:28 AM Gawd, I'm suffering from BenRebel syndrome.... LOL @ Gatherer aaaahhh com'on am I bad ???
BenRebel	Date: February 19, 2004 @ 8:37 AM For me personally if you don't like something I do .. thats fine "tell me why!" if you like it thats fine too but really what helps you grow good comments or bad ones? I would rather take bad comments w/a reason why they thougth it was bad or with a suggestion on how to make it better.. over alot of good ones being said just to make me feel good.
Gatherer	Date: February 19, 2004 @ 11:02 PM for that particular genre, as Pagan says, "marketable". Re Kevbrock...what I saw were people trying to make comments in a positive way...that he sang with feeling, played guitar fairly well and many of his lyrics were pretty good. Would it have been helpful criticism to tell him that his voice sucked rotten eggs? No. Would his songs have been "marketable" if sang by someone else? Possibly. IMO, we're really talking about two different things here...positive reinforcement and constructive criticism. We want to help artists by suggesting improvements but also give those who need more support a leg up by being positive about the specific things which impressed us personally. Criticizing something they can't change seems a bit mean-spirited to me. " id="87405">No, Ben, you're not that bad....I just wanted to take the heat off myself. I agree that sometimes the compliments are a little heavy-handed for some songs. However, I would have to say that seldom does anyone post "This is a PERFECT song." I've conveyed that statement in so many words for very few songs that to me were perfect, but maybe not to someone else. I've also come across some great productions, outstanding in every way, but are just not my type of music and might not make my playlist. But I would tell the artist that they are great songs because I truly believe they are, for that particular genre, as Pagan says, "marketable". Re Kevbrock...what I saw were people trying to make comments in a positive way...that he sang with feeling, played guitar fairly well and many of his lyrics were pretty good. Would it have been helpful criticism to tell him that his voice sucked rotten eggs? No. Would his songs have been "marketable" if sang by someone else? Possibly. IMO, we're really talking about two different things here...positive reinforcement and constructive criticism. We want to help artists by suggesting improvements but also give those who need more support a leg up by being positive about the specific things which impressed us personally. Criticizing something they can't change seems a bit mean-spirited to me.
dantys	Date: February 20, 2004 @ 5:24 AM My wink might be misinterpreted. Just wanna be look groovy actually... and eerrr... a sign ... eerrr.. to chek out my... tracks. Maybe.. ehm... not a long time from now I shall upload the next track(s) As a matter of fact I read most of the replies BUT I accidentally didn't read the reply before my wink posting. So I apologize to you Concrete_Visionz if this offemded you. Every mistake can happen to anyone even though sometimes it was not intend, like I feel many misunderstanding happened to me before, especially in a debate website over there. Keep on making the world dance thru the music okay...
BenRebel	Date: February 20, 2004 @ 8:39 AM Like I said in another thread many of us in here are at diffrent levels in recording,production,writting etc. if your going to comment on someones work keep in mind the level that person may be at verses your own level if a person is at a pro level I believe there skin should be tougher but also the level of the comment should compare to the evel of work done if some one is clear Pause mixing a beat (anyone remember that lol?)and two track recording dub to a cassette because thats the best they can do at this time ~ Would a comment of "Your recording SUCK help? or would you look at the work commenting on say lyrics hook etc.etc. and then say hey I would love to hear it once you have a chance to recorded it cleaner or something. but if a person Boast of having Protools HD and the recording or mixing sounds bad I see nothing wrong with steping up the level of comments
Pagan	Date: February 20, 2004 @ 6:48 PM its impossible to argue religion, politics, love or art and win. because these things affect every person differently. but to me, thats what makes it so much fun to argue it.

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