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10 Worst Guitar Solo's

geetarman	Date: October 8, 2004 @ 5:07 PM MSN has the article: http://entertainment.msn.com/music/article.aspx?news=170098 After reading the article they have a link to listen to the solo's. So I click the link and surprise! They want 99 cents to listen to each bad solo! Too fricken funny! I needed a good laugh today...
gothian	Date: October 8, 2004 @ 7:31 PM this Microsucks Monopoly guy Bill Gays is hilarious
victorsskull	Date: October 8, 2004 @ 10:41 PM 99 cents to listen to a bad solo I think I will just make one myself for free
tossom	Date: October 9, 2004 @ 2:23 PM Why wasn't John Frusciante in that list? John Frusciante has produced some real shockers in the last 5/6 years. I think the one in "Californication" takes the biscuit.
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GreatGooglyM...	Date: January 8, 2005 @ 1:53 PM That's the most worthless bullshit I've ever seen in my life. Those Microsoft's nerds should spend their time fixing bugs not writing this kind of crap.
SilverShining	Date: January 8, 2005 @ 9:41 PM I gave up on M$ ever getting it right... But anyhow, one of the all-time worst soloes IMO is in Green Day's "When I Come Around". Talk about talentless...sheesh. I could play that.
musicfeen	Date: May 24, 2005 @ 8:00 PM HAHAH SRATWIZARD, YOU SAID IT!
zedsalt	Date: May 25, 2005 @ 12:09 PM IMHO, the worst guitar solos are those that go for the most obvious solution with a predictable tone and completely lack unintentional dissonance and string scrapes, choked notes, etc. The "cleanest" players that I really enjoy don't have a supernatural knack for AVOIDING errors, but a tremendous gift for USING them.
zedsalt	Date: May 25, 2005 @ 12:12 PM Oh yeah, and I'd agree that Bill Gates and Co. are delightfully slimy.
Intergalacti...	Date: May 25, 2005 @ 2:21 PM My solo in my battle rap at the end. Jesus I wish I'd actually recorded that properly It's embarassing
kreisimees	Date: August 24, 2005 @ 1:55 PM Someone mentioned that john frusciante solos suck ... i dont see any bad in these ..
BOWILLIE	Date: August 24, 2005 @ 3:51 PM cover of the rolling stones by doctor hook.
GeneHilbert	Date: August 24, 2005 @ 5:07 PM BOWILLIE - that is one of my all time favorites. I must say for someone who has pro status and is admired and adored by many. I've heard some of the worst shit come from john frusciante.
Snoogans775	Date: August 25, 2005 @ 5:13 PM Thinking of High Fidelity... should we punish Frusciante for his latter day sins, is it better to burn out rather than fade away? Everything guitar on the newest RHCP album is equivalent to "I just called to say I love you" worst solo that I've heard, anything on smooth jazz stations pewsalloverthecarpet:
marcosalvarez	Date: August 25, 2005 @ 5:53 PM any solo of ingwe malmsteem should win this category
Alecs	Date: August 25, 2005 @ 6:40 PM i'd tend to disagree, skellig. though he may not be to your liking, I think he kicks the shit outta kurt co(ke)bain
84Hours	Date: August 25, 2005 @ 7:58 PM yngwie malmsteen is amazing.
marcosalvarez	Date: September 2, 2005 @ 11:26 AM of course any opinion is welcome and i respect all of you who like mr malmsteem playing but what i find when i hear him is a player who repeats patterns from johan sebastian bach(i love that guy) at a nonsense speed...that´s great i mean you say woah man,look how fast he is but i think... what for?....ok you are the faster player in world...so what?...anyhow i am not arguing at all folks..just that i love to talk about music.. (you know...i hate idols)
mattbanx	Date: September 2, 2005 @ 11:59 AM I would say offhand, any solo played by a pantywaste that says learn like the rest of us. I don't care how crafty they are. It would have to be very placid.
BlackMage	Date: September 2, 2005 @ 2:02 PM Yep, what Skellig said. But I gotta love his shows. As a guitarist he's boring, but looking at anyone who can play like him live is at least a very cool experience.
kreisimees	Date: September 5, 2005 @ 2:30 PM you fucking dont get it do you? good sake what the hell are you all talking about there are thousands bad guitarist but all you say is john frusciante...
GeneHilbert	Date: September 5, 2005 @ 11:26 PM Oh my....... someone's having a hissy.....
Alecs	Date: September 6, 2005 @ 9:56 PM someone bake some brownies! and, skellig, even if all you hear is Bach patterns at a blitzing speed, do you think shit guitarists like Kurt Cokebain could play like that? No. So, it may not be to your liking, but it's some amazing playing. Besides, as Lunitari said, he gives a hell of a live performance. Besides, how can he toss that guitar around like he does with getting that massively long hair of his tangled in the strap or something? Jeez. I mean it's nasty...but freakin amazing!
Alecs	Date: September 6, 2005 @ 9:57 PM oops! lemme rephrase that Besides, how can he toss that guitar around like he does without getting that massively long hair of his tangled in the strap or something? Jeez. I mean it's nasty...but freakin amazing!
GeneHilbert	Date: September 6, 2005 @ 10:31 PM You can say what you want - and everybody has opinions. But I'll tell you this Yngwie Malmsteen can play this shit out of a guitar. Love him or hate him. Not being able to relate to is virtuosity and dismissing it as redundant is ludicrous. As well praising some slack-ass-no-talent-got-lucky-want-a-be who could give a shit about quality or musical integrity and calling that art is also ludicrous. So the lesson here is - learn from whom you admire. And pass the .
zedsalt	Date: September 7, 2005 @ 12:53 PM As much as I admire the "technique freaks"...well...technique, the music does nothing for me beyond that. It's kind of like watching Gymnastics- I admire their dedication and what it's allowed them to achieve, but I don't find it even remotely entertaining. By the same token, I would never be so presumptuous as to say that just because it sounds lifeless and clinical to me, it isn't Art.
zedsalt	Date: September 7, 2005 @ 12:53 PM And I can be pretty damn presumptuous!
marcosalvarez	Date: September 7, 2005 @ 1:29 PM kurt cobain?..did he play guitar? ah yes..it was that thing hanging from his hands..
marcosalvarez	Date: September 7, 2005 @ 1:32 PM just joking..and please...easy boys...easy
Alecs	Date: September 8, 2005 @ 9:58 PM I agree with Gene Weed solves all
shouhei	Date: September 9, 2005 @ 10:33 AM imho, that guy from slayer has the worst solos ever. they sound out of key and completely out of place.
Bhairava	Date: September 15, 2005 @ 10:21 AM [Quote] and, skellig, even if all you hear is Bach patterns at a blitzing speed, do you think shit guitarists like Kurt Cokebain could play like that? No. [/Quote] You can't really validate that. There is no point comparing people who are guitarists to people that play guitar as part of song writing. It just doesn't work that way for instance comparing Elvis to Satriani. It just doesn't work like. You should only really judge people that call themselves lead guitarists on how good their solo's are otherwise the solo's aren't even the emphasis of a song. For instance if you look at Kurt Cobain playing "The Man Who Sold the World" the solo in that is actually very good except its not about how technically great it is it just works with the song well. I mean lets compare Yngwie Malmsteen to lets say Kurt Cobain and wow look Malmsteen is a better guitarist. Now switch that over who is the better song writer... And Malmsteen isn't a great song writer at all from a songwriters perspective. Infact its absolute crap. But hey people don't listen to him for songs specifically or he would't have got very far he is a guitar virtuoso. I mean this is coming from someone who doesn't even like Nirvana that much anyway and only listened to like 2 of their songs and I can see they are better song writers then Malmsteen. I've listened to more Malmsteed stuff then Nirvana anyway. Just showing you what I mean. Its should be more like... Who is better at what they do.
GeneHilbert	Date: September 15, 2005 @ 10:58 AM While I would agree with your premise to compare apples to apples and all on their merits - this thread is "10 Worst Guitar Solo's" not "Poor Depressed Suicidal Little Rock Stars". I have heard some pretty awful crap from Cobain - and while Malmsteen might be locked into Paganini and might be guilty of creating ear fatigue due to lack of variety. Worst solo's is certainly not a correct distinction and is the most absurd assumption about one of the most amazing electric guitarist ever.......
Alecs	Date: September 15, 2005 @ 7:52 PM you're right bhairiva, I don't listen to much Nirvana, but there was a tiem where I did(before I got into guitar alot) And it's not Yngwie or Cobain we should be bitching about, it's limp bizkit. DIE! BURN IN HELL YOU MOTHER FUCKERS!
GeneHilbert	Date: September 16, 2005 @ 1:30 AM :rolf:
GeneHilbert	Date: September 16, 2005 @ 1:31 AM Damn Dyslexia
woodhead	Date: September 16, 2005 @ 12:06 PM Billy Gibbons is a great guitar player, he can say in one note what a lot of other guitar players can not do in 100. The skill of your guitar playing is important but not as important as the feel and heart in your solo. a guitar player should play for the song and if one note is the right for the song then one note it is. You can over kill the solo,s and leave it cold sounding in the song and this in my opinon is the worst type of guitar solo.
woodhead	Date: September 16, 2005 @ 12:08 PM As for kurt Cobain, it is a fact that Nirvana single handely killed hair Pop metal, and being a real metal head have to thank him for that, man I hated that stuff. but any way his sound is what helped him do it and it is the sound that gets to people not how many notes you can play.
furiousBall	Date: September 16, 2005 @ 12:21 PM did someone say something about Yngwie and a strap-on at some point?
zedsalt	Date: September 16, 2005 @ 12:24 PM No, but I betcha he'd wear one if anyone ever publicized a photo of Ritchie Blackmore sporting one.
woodhead	Date: September 16, 2005 @ 4:13 PM No, but I betcha he'd wear one if anyone ever publicized a photo of Ritchie Blackmore sporting one. So true
Bhairava	Date: September 17, 2005 @ 7:49 AM [Quote] it's limp bizkit. DIE! BURN IN HELL YOU MOTHER FUCKERS![/Quote] Agreed . [Quote] While I would agree with your premise to compare apples to apples and all on their merits - this thread is "10 Worst Guitar Solo's" not "Poor Depressed Suicidal Little Rock Stars". I have heard some pretty awful crap from Cobain - and while Malmsteen might be locked into Paganini and might be guilty of creating ear fatigue due to lack of variety. Worst solo's is certainly not a correct distinction and is the most absurd assumption about one of the most amazing electric guitarist ever....... [/Quote] Yeah I see what you mean but I was also kind trying to point out that as long as a solo goes with a song well you can't really call it bad. There is a difference between an instrumental part in a song and what we would call a solo. I think we should compare solo's which are meant to add an extra dimension to a song and show guitar virtuoso to reach some kind of climax rather then a guitar bit in a instrumental thats just meant to get it to the next verse.
Alecs	Date: September 17, 2005 @ 5:29 PM "Yeah I see what you mean but I was also kind trying to point out that as long as a solo goes with a song well you can't really call it bad. There is a difference between an instrumental part in a song and what we would call a solo. I think we should compare solo's which are meant to add an extra dimension to a song and show guitar virtuoso to reach some kind of climax rather then a guitar bit in a instrumental thats just meant to get it to the next verse." ...and Green Day. YOU'RE NOT PUNK YOU STUPID MOTHER FUCKERS, WHY DON'T YOU GO PLAY HIDE AND GO FUCK YOURSELVES!?!?!?!
EtherEclectic	Date: September 29, 2005 @ 1:34 AM well it was never nirvana's agenda to break out massive solos, hell we all know he couldnt. they were a scrappy modern version of the beetles, and by that i mean, simple chord progressions, simple song writting, only there to entertain. IMO a bad solo is one that doesnt exist when there is room for it, like the band slipknot, they have two guitar players but both are playing rhythm, wouldnt they save money as a band if they turned the volume up on one guitar player and just fired the one playing the same as the other?
Bhairava	Date: September 29, 2005 @ 3:59 PM Ahem, don't go dissin the beatles... masters of melody and did what they could with what they had also major innovaters. Sure a lot of its pop but its good pop. Listen to Dear Prudence thats a cool song and while my guitar gently weeps I mean its Eric Clapton playing guitar apparantly but that doesn't matter. Just ignore the pop bits as just things from the past when they weren't really pop they were new and interesting. It took me a while to loose my ignorance of the beatles but its worth it.
GeneHilbert	Date: September 29, 2005 @ 4:10 PM The Beatle were the shit..... only negative I see is comparing them to crappy ass nirvana.... Which there really was none......
EtherEclectic	Date: September 29, 2005 @ 9:44 PM no i am not saying they were "just like or as good as the beetles, i am saying they have alot in common as far as song writting. they focused mainly on vocals as a group with the addition to guitars, drums, and bass for rhythm. and just because of the beetles overratting mainstreem following doesnt mean that every musician should respect them or that i have to have a polite opinion about them. personally i found them overratted, and rather annoying. hell i dont even listen to nirvana, i listen to alot of rush and pink floyd.
hate9wicket	Date: September 29, 2005 @ 10:21 PM I think before Frusciante got on the horse he was probably one of the best guitarists alive or ever, and covered quite a few problem areas in RHCP, I really kind of forgot about them tho when he left, what with the revolving door and drug issues, but he's clean now, his playing, from the songs I have heard, is more tender and emotional, wheras, before- he was what 19 for Mother's Milk? He had a lot to prove and show how fast his hands were. As far as worst solos, let me put it this way, if it was that bad, I wouldn't bother remembering it, I'd erase it from memory and listen to something else quick.
EtherEclectic	Date: September 29, 2005 @ 11:46 PM ok ok i do accually remember a very nasty solo....KORN! about six months ago Korn did a cover of Brick in the Wall PT2 by pink floyd, and they completely insulted pink floyd to the highest extent by covering it. one of the guitar players attempted david gilmores solo towards the end of the song. now dont get me wrong its not that technical of a solo by any means, but Korn managed to really screw it up. its burned into my mind especially sense the radio dj after i first heard it said that they just gave pink floyd a run for their money...
GeneHilbert	Date: September 30, 2005 @ 12:13 AM OctoberCadaver...... Dude they have nothing in common... you had best review the material....... I’ll give you one as an example to debate amongst…… yourself….. “Strawberry Fields” hate9wicket - Frusciante is a wannabe - always will be. If you like him that's kewl....... but musically they’re players on Dmusic that artistically and lyrically blow his fuckin’ doors off.
EtherEclectic	Date: September 30, 2005 @ 12:39 AM no i ment both bands were made famous for having simple songs, forgive me if i gave the impression i believed their were so similar because that is nothing close to what i ment. just ment, they both had simple song structures...that is not an insult on either by the way.
EtherEclectic	Date: September 30, 2005 @ 12:40 AM and whats with the harsh rudeness towards me, i am intitled to an opinion, if you dont like that then you seriously have issues.
hate9wicket	Date: September 30, 2005 @ 1:04 AM I agree there are better players everywhere, Frusciate is subtle, an aquired taste, sometimes raw, never perfect, he doesn't overplay and leaves a lot of room for Flea(the most stable and money bassist on the left coast.) It's probably been said on this thread: there are good "song" guitarists and there are "solo" guitarists, I guess I prefer the song guys and I think he was a solo guy who turned into a song guy.
hate9wicket	Date: September 30, 2005 @ 1:06 AM note to self: read before posting, missing an N
GeneHilbert	Date: September 30, 2005 @ 1:58 AM Oh…. Dude..... Lucy In The Sky, Help, The Long and Winding Road, Fool on The Hill, Something, Oh Darling, In My Life....... Please………..
GeneHilbert	Date: September 30, 2005 @ 2:00 AM Lighten up..... it's a debate...... Let’s see what you got…….
zedsalt	Date: September 30, 2005 @ 12:59 PM Have you ever heard about all the crap Harrison had to go through to get even the slightest consideration for "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"? John, Paul, the other George...they only even listened to it grudgingly and then pretty much dismissed it outright. Harrison had to get Clapton to come in during the studio's off hours. And, seriously, as sweet as Clapton's contribution was, you have to admit that it'd still be a great song without it.
GeneHilbert	Date: September 30, 2005 @ 1:13 PM Yeah.... Even the big boys have pissing matches from time to time..... I saw an interview with Harrison and he was talking about that……. Agreed.......
BlackMage	Date: September 30, 2005 @ 1:49 PM Soundwise Paranoid sucks. It is and will remain the worst solo ever. Discussion adjourned.
Alecs	Date: September 30, 2005 @ 9:32 PM aaah elegant change of subject!
DJChillie	Date: October 3, 2005 @ 3:58 AM John Frusciante is one of the best guitarists in history. He has verything you'll ever want and he is showing off all the time, leaving room for flea and chad to take over. P.S dont diss nirvana or the beatles, their both better bands then you'll even be in!!
EtherEclectic	Date: October 3, 2005 @ 5:11 PM come on anyone else for the worst solo being KORNS cover of brick in the wall? i mean come on!!!NU-Metal bands dont do solos for a good reason! they only know pentatonic scales! and thats at 90bpm
Alecs	Date: October 3, 2005 @ 5:59 PM DJChillie - I don't think anybody's dissing the Beatles, though plenty of us (I hope this isn't just me here) are dissing Nirvana. And I agree OctoberCadaver (nice name btw) that Korn basically sucks
woodhead	Date: October 4, 2005 @ 12:19 AM just ment, they both had simple song structures...that is not an insult on either by the way Keep It Simple Stupid, from one of the greatest rock bandsof all time KISS
woodhead	Date: October 4, 2005 @ 12:22 AM that Korn basically sucks Two of the most influential guitarist in this generation, they were one of the first bands to drop down to a c tuning, I mean that low tuning that just gets your guts moving. And if you listen to themm, they are them selves and they have thier own sound, not someone else's or trying to mimc some one else.
GeneHilbert	Date: October 4, 2005 @ 12:39 AM damn...... why didn't someone invent the bass sooner.....
Snoogans775	Date: October 4, 2005 @ 12:51 AM oh come on, there's a big friggin difference between a c tuned guitar and a bass. I listened to Korn, I don't anymore, just like I used to listen to Michael Jackson when I was 6 years old, there's quality there, and Korn was pop music in it's essence for a lot of distraught young people. It gave them some meaningless direction in their meaningless lives. there's nothing wrong with that. it creates meaning out fo nothing. why does everybody hate pop music, is it elitist, I don't understand this attitude, especially towards Kurt Cobain, making low-ball jokes about him being addicted to coke is fuckin lame. He was the most important thing in the lives of millions of kids. he was a sort of martyr, so diss his music, but not the man, you apathetic pricks. and for worst guitar solo, he probably made a few good contenders but for best guitar solo,
EtherEclectic	Date: October 4, 2005 @ 2:52 AM woodhead, bands have been dropping down even lower than C sense the early 90's. its just that it stayed in the realm of death metal, black metal, and the thrash bands. the band "prong" ex-killing joke often took their guitars to a Bb. they went low but at the same time new how to play well. nu-metal bands have mastered the art of the 1finger bar chord from drop d-tuning...
zedsalt	Date: October 4, 2005 @ 12:55 PM Some of the earliest recordings ever made feature bluesmen in slack tunings, down to the A below the standard E. One thing's for sure- it's a practice that predates the notion of a six string guitar, tuned to a bowed-instrument tuning like EADGBE.
woodhead	Date: October 5, 2005 @ 12:42 AM Wow got some peoples attention. lets face it who I think is god on guitar may not be for you and vice versa, but in reality, you can complain and say this guy sucks and that guys sucks, but they became famous and you are dissing them. In reality we are all gods and we all suck, and to put some one down because they "do not play to your standards" is ridicules. Face it the Beatles will always be the leaders in the British invasion, Cobain will always be the the artist who slayed the hair bands of the 80's. And for any one to think different is not living in reality. And The guys from Korn are the most innovative, you hear it some what in todays music, but wait five to ten years and you will hear it again, but with a different flare. Face it it all comes back and you will have some kid, that is amazing and his major influence will be Korn, Cobain, Dead Presidents who knows, but they are out there. One of my favorite quotes: Opinions are like ass holes, every one has one and they all stink. nu-metal bands have mastered the art of the 1finger bar chord from drop d-tuning... All metal of this age has mastered this, even Creed. But to hear "the" master. listen to the Black Crows, on of the guys in that bandplaysa true open tuning and is a true master, as well as Robert Johnson, he is the man at open tunings. Korn, I dare any one to as innovative and original as these guys, you didn't hear their sound before, and you haven't heard it since. Can you wrote a Korn tune with all the cool noises and cool movements in them. ( I know they have it processed, but use a processor, we all have them right? And once again I will place this statement "And if you listen to themm, they are them selves and they have thier own sound, not someone else's or trying to mimc some one else.
woodhead	Date: October 5, 2005 @ 12:50 AM its just that it stayed in the realm of death metal, black metal, and the thrash bands. I have been listneing to METAL since 1979, so yea I know a lot, and maybe they have but the standered for most metal was either and straight e tuning, or e flat tunning. The droped d did come in, but you stilltuned it to the e tuning then droped the e to d. Most Metal today is played with this 6 - c 5 - g 4 - c 3 - f 2 - a 1 - d Or some variance of this.
BlackMage	Date: October 5, 2005 @ 8:46 AM You people are still here? Paranoid. 'Nuf said.
sinai	Date: October 5, 2005 @ 8:49 AM anything that bob dylan has ever tried to play
EtherEclectic	Date: October 5, 2005 @ 10:47 AM i never ment for a korn argument, i was just pointing out that their brick in the wall cover was a bad solo attempt IMO..just my opinion nothing else. and i heard korn when they first came out, i remember some kid at my school almost 10years ago telling me about this awsome group he just found out about. yes early metal drop tuned the whole standard tuning, bands now adays drop tune and reconfig the whole tuning away from standard because its easier, not to be innovative. but there is no solos in nu metal songs so i give up on this thread.
zedsalt	Date: October 5, 2005 @ 12:12 PM The first Metal drop-tuner I heard of was Tommy Iommi, who did so because he found it easier on his injured fingers. All the old Sabbath tunes were done in slack tuning.
GreatGooglyM...	Date: October 18, 2005 @ 11:44 AM To be honest almost every guitar solo before 70's suck. Of course there are exceptions. Yeah, and every Nirvana solo.
GeneHilbert	Date: October 18, 2005 @ 12:13 PM "almost every guitar solo before 70's suck" You might want to reconsider that opinion....... Beatles, Hendrix, Wes Montgomery, Santo & Johnny, The Ventures, Charlie Christian, Tbone Walker, Doors, Cream, Jeff Beck Group, Zappa, Les Paul, Chet Atkins, Segovia, Django Reinhardt etc......
GreatGooglyM...	Date: October 20, 2005 @ 4:17 PM Like I told there are exceptions. Like you mentioned for example Zappa, Beck and Django. And personally, I can't stand Page's playing. Nor can I stand Beatles.
EvilPicnic	Date: October 20, 2005 @ 5:02 PM This is all opinion. Different people have different ideas about what makes a good solo: some like Steve Vai's flashiness, some Jimmy Page's passion, some like Tom Morello's inventiveness, some Wes Montgomery's sense of harmony. All these players play (debateably)equally great solos, but even so, various listeners turn their noses up at one or the other and say, 'I don't like that'. This is, for the most part, genre snobbery and a demonstation of the musical ignorance (or laziness) of the listener. A solo is there for the soloist to express themselves musically, wether this is a tasteful Miles Davis solo, or a 'sheet of sound' 'Trane solo, or even (following John Cage's lead) plain silence. As long as it communicates with the audience the solo has succeeded, as is the same with any piece of music. The only way (IMO) a solo can be truly 'bad' is when a soloist stops thinking for themselves and tries to copy someone else. How can you communicate with the audience when you don't have anything to say? Recycling other peoples' ideas is not a recipe for success. It just gets you in a cover band. Sorry this has been a bit long, summarised: 'bad solos' fall into two categories; 1) Solos I havn't understood ('I'm an AC/DC fan and anything which doesn't sound like Angus Young is a crap solo') and 2)Solos which atempt to imitate someone else in a plagiaristic way (e.g. most 80's solos post-EVH). As an example: Many people (mostly disappointed hair metal fans) deride Cobain's Smells Like Teen Spirit solo. But, if you think about it, it isn't actually a 'bad' solo. It conveys (very succinctly) exactly what that song was about, especially in that repeating end motif which echoes off into feedback. It wasn't amazingly technically demanding, but said in 60 or so notes what many guitarists would fail to say in 1000. Ok, so maybe that was a poor example, but you understand what I'm getting at. Just because I, the listener, doesn't like it, it's not necessarily a bad solo. Just something to think about.
EvilPicnic	Date: October 20, 2005 @ 5:04 PM That wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, btw, it's just an idea I had while I was reading this thread.
Bhairava	Date: October 20, 2005 @ 8:12 PM I agree with you Evil Picnic. [Quote] This is all opinion. Different people have different ideas about what makes a good solo: some like Steve Vai's flashiness, some Jimmy Page's passion, some like Tom Morello's inventiveness, some Wes Montgomery's sense of harmony. All these players play (debateably)equally great solos, but even so, various listeners turn their noses up at one or the other and say, 'I don't like that'. This is, for the most part, genre snobbery and a demonstation of the musical ignorance (or laziness) of the listener. [/Quote] Amen. Genre snobbery is probably the thing I least like about music. Its plain ignorance and completely destroys creativity. Basically the truth of the matter is if you don't like different styles of music you should really question youself as a musician. Pretty much every style has something interesting about it and its from discovering that unique thing in a style that you get drawn into understanding it. Far enough I don't like certain music too mostly when its not very musical at all and that happens in many genres rock and pop seem to be as bad as eachother as far as music goes now adays. If you can't appreciate different styles of music your ideas of music will probably be limited and whats more your missing out on a lot of great music and don't tell me you don't like the feeling of finding a new album from someone you don't know and discovering you love that music and you realise a new breakthrough in your thinking because of it.
Bhairava	Date: October 20, 2005 @ 8:15 PM Oh and one thing some people don't seem to realise is a lot of the best music out there requires you to get into it and give it a try. Listen to it over a few times when you have nothing else to do. Chances are if they are legendary their music will be awesome if you can get into it.
Alecs	Date: October 20, 2005 @ 9:36 PM grabs a soda lets the bitch session continue
EtherEclectic	Date: October 20, 2005 @ 11:48 PM the worst solo is one that includes an acordian plain and simple, when ever i see someone playing one i want to yank it from his chest, stomp on it, then drown him in the fountain he was playing near...
EtherEclectic	Date: October 20, 2005 @ 11:55 PM the worst solo is one that includes an acordian plain and simple, when ever i see someone playing one i want to yank it from his chest, stomp on it, then drown him in the fountain he was playing near...
killtrix	Date: October 21, 2005 @ 1:05 AM Well said Evil Picnic!Except the AC/DC point. Correct me if I misunderstood you, but are you saying that if a solo is'nt coherent or in the style of Angus young the solo's are bad? If so is'nt that contridicting yourself with your point of being original. Worst solo?That's a matter of opinion. Some that come to mind is from that guitar player for Poison "Can't recall his name or the song(s)"My girlfriend at the time grabbed some tickets to one of their shows when they came through Toronto a couple of years back.From what I recall after awhile some of his solos that he played got under my skin and made me cringe, they weren't bad per se,but i did find them to be very predictable to say the least.
hueseph	Date: October 21, 2005 @ 2:20 AM BAd solo's? Anyone ever heard Neil Young "solo"? I despise his solos. Random flailings. Re. Cobain: I once read an interview with Steve Vai where he acknowledged Cobain as an innovator and an artist beyond the norm. Obviously not for his ability but for his creativity.
EtherEclectic	Date: October 21, 2005 @ 2:43 AM Hueseph i was about to say the samething about Neil Young lol i saw a SNL peformance by him, the first song was his usual cool acoustic numbers, his second song towards the end of the show was a rather upbeat tune, where towards the end he started soloing, pretty much picking as fast as he could, random fingerings, random bends, alot of unneeded bends, followed by some rather hard picking while bending all as many strings as he could... all this while running back and forth from the mic to the amps... i hope this was a result of drugs!
GreatGooglyM...	Date: October 21, 2005 @ 3:24 AM "'I don't like that'. This is, for the most part, genre snobbery and a demonstation of the musical ignorance (or laziness) of the listener." What if it isn't? You can't say that taste is musical ignorance or genre snobbery. It just happens to be so that some songs/solos don't please your ear. 'bad solos' fall into two categories; 1) Solos I havn't understood ('I'm an AC/DC fan and anything which doesn't sound like Angus Young is a crap solo') and 2)Solos which atempt to imitate someone else in a plagiaristic way (e.g. most 80's solos post-EVH). " Is that your opinion? Cause you put it so that's a fact, which it isn't. No one can say what is a "good" solo or a "bad" solo. Like you're doing there. First you talk about opinions and then you start generalizing what is a bad solo. You just defeated your argument with that. No one asked for lecture either. First someone posted the article where MSN listed 10 worst guitar solos in their opinion and then people started to list their's. Of course, it's about opinions! I think that people before you already knew that.
EtherEclectic	Date: October 21, 2005 @ 3:54 AM definately opinion like comparing a fast technical solo to one of BBkings solos with his awsome vibrato. just personal preference, and it just so happens that some guitarists share similar opinions on what they think is good or bad. for example i am a big fan of dream theater, but kurts small solo on "in bloom" off of nevermind is a solo i found rather interesting and creative! just a personal opinion!
zedsalt	Date: October 22, 2005 @ 12:02 PM I had to research my collection for the sake of this reply...which made me feel kinda silly...but I wanted to be accurate. I can scat Neil Young solos from five tunes that I DON'T have in the collection, but I can't specifically recall a single Steve Vai solo after hundreds...if not thousands...of listens to "You Are What You Is", "Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar", a couple volumes of "You Can't Do That Onstage Anymore", "Them or Us", "Ship Arriving Too Late to Save a Drowning Witch", PIL's "Cassette"...dozens of listens to Zappa's "Thing Fish", Alcatrazz's "Disturbing the Peace", the tune Stevie did with Shankar & Caroline, etc. I mean, it comes down to what the guitarist was trying to do, doesn't it? If Steve Vai said, "It's always been my life's ambition to impress this one slob in northern Indiana...grew up on a hogfarm, goes by the stagename "Zed Salt"...I always wanted to impress him with my compsitional skills and guitar technique", I'd have to think, "Well, that IS impressive; here's a guy who acheived his life's ambition when we were both just teenagers!" But if he was trying to come up with something that would touch my soul the way a Neil Young solo does, something that would resonate with millions...generations...the way Neil's "spear-in-the-back dance" leads have, he has yet to succeed.
GreatGooglyM...	Date: October 22, 2005 @ 12:49 PM hehe. It's pretty much the opposite for me. 'Cause no other guitarist's solos have touched me like Steve Vai's. For example For the Love of God or Lotus Feet... Can't think anyone else...
Metaldier	Date: October 22, 2005 @ 1:44 PM QUOTE: Date: September 9, 2005 @ 10:33 AM imho, that guy from slayer has the worst solos ever. they sound out of key and completely out of place. LMFAO It's all whammy and wah my friend They need to learn to do VARIETY
EvilPicnic	Date: October 22, 2005 @ 1:57 PM Strat - that was an example of what someone might think, not my actually opinion. Maybe I should've made that clearer. It doesn't matter anyway, it wasn't mant to be a lecture, it was just me typing my opinion and, as you can see, I'm quite an opinionated person. IMO that PiL song is the best solo Steve's done. FTLOG is a blatant attempt to recreate the beauty of Watermelons In Easter Hay. Zed - I like your collection.
GreatGooglyM...	Date: October 22, 2005 @ 2:56 PM "FTLOG is a blatant attempt to recreate the beauty of Watermelons In Easter Hay." Was that a joke? I hope so...
Alecs	Date: October 22, 2005 @ 3:03 PM I dunno strat, I think Satriani's "Love thing", "Rubina" and "until we say goodbye" are all FAR more touching and emotional then FTLOG and Lotus Feet. don't get me wrong, I love those songs, but Satch has got the whole emotional thing down pat!

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