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EtherEclectic	Date: October 26, 2005 @ 7:25 PM in your opinion who is the most overrated guitarist that you know of through out rock history... excluding dmusic guitarists of course. for me it would be three: Eddie Van Halen Kirk Hammett Slash
Intergalacti...	Date: October 26, 2005 @ 7:27 PM kirk is i think, personally i feel VH gets the credit thats due to him and people are all arsey to slash and the 'real' guitarist get peeved at this however i still feel he is incredibly talented
laalaaloo	Date: October 26, 2005 @ 8:36 PM Slash is the worst by far. I'll see bout Kirk after the next album.(he used to be good) EVH it's just not my style, so I dont like it. (I can see that he's techniqualy good though) I think EtherEclectic hit the nail on the head with his list.
mudshadow	Date: October 26, 2005 @ 10:08 PM Esteban???
EtherEclectic	Date: October 26, 2005 @ 10:38 PM estaban lol he can play acoustic really well...but i'd never buy his damn guitar that is sold for 100 bucks on a tv infomercial.. something fishy about that! that list was just what i have noticed from the 80's till now... i remember when guns and roses poped out the use your illusions albums and the typical slash with a top hat, cig, and poofy hair was on everything... and then guitar mag calls him a guitar hero for their ad on the back cover. eddie: fancy lead stuff, whammy tricks, fancy tapping...but all over used with too much flange. kirk: toooo much wah petal! too much focus on his image.
zedsalt	Date: October 27, 2005 @ 12:19 PM Eddie's technique, phrasing, tone, etc. are fabulous. The only thing I can think of that could qualify him for the "most overrated" category is this notion of him as an "innovator" just because he further popularized a technique that had been around for centuries.
Alecs	Date: October 27, 2005 @ 8:12 PM i'd say the most overrated guitarist would be the bastard from green day, kurt cobain and the fellow from system of a down
societiesworm	Date: October 27, 2005 @ 8:41 PM i really like kirk and slash eddy is alrigt, but i think yngwie is overrated though i heard only a couple of his stuff it all sounds the same i know its amazingly fast but speed and technicallity isnt everything for me... black star was a little different though.
LostYears	Date: October 27, 2005 @ 10:11 PM i personally dont think kurt cobain is overated, hes not notorious for being incredibly good in fct all the major critics say that in spit of his mediocre guitar skill and voice that he did suprisingly well. now priest i think has the most overated guitar, hes known for being overthe top and extreme but just about anybody an keep up with a priest solo.
EtherEclectic	Date: October 27, 2005 @ 10:15 PM kurt was more of a grungie singer/songwriter than a guitarist. one could say Nirvana was overrated, especially sense people often mistake them for the first band to have that gritty, grunge sound they were famous for.
TheOwl	Date: October 27, 2005 @ 10:49 PM For me, Yngvie and Al DiMeola tie for first place as overrated for pretty much the same reason, namely this, All speed, no soul, nothing to say musically.
GeneHilbert	Date: October 27, 2005 @ 11:26 PM Yngvie and Al DiMeola - listen again....
EtherEclectic	Date: October 28, 2005 @ 1:29 AM ya know, telling him to listen again wont really change his opinion, after all, i've heard yngvie and i have to agree. to me it sounds like nothing but speed and good chops... and that is just my preference. but you'd probably just say the same thing i guess.
GeneHilbert	Date: October 28, 2005 @ 3:30 AM If you will notice the post is titled "Most Overrated Guitarist" those 2 guys hardly qualify as overrated. Much like reviewing a subject is hardly overrated.
EtherEclectic	Date: October 28, 2005 @ 3:56 AM well i have no idea who al dimeola is, but i didnt say yngvie was overrated, just that i shared the same opinion on his playstyle. dunno, yngvie hasnt been plastered on MTV, and all other media enough to have that overrated appeal
GreatGooglyM...	Date: October 29, 2005 @ 8:16 AM Someone said Al Di Meola... You don't have a right to play guitar dude. Burn in hell!!!! No, but seriously... it's your opinion. I'd say Kurt Cobain and Kirk Hammett. Kurt is a terrible guitarist, a horrible singer and a decent songwriter. Hammett has never been technical enough to be a shredder. He's not very brilliant on writing riffs either. I've always thought James is far more superior at writing riffs. So, Kirk falls somewhere in between a bad shredder and boring lead guitarist.
EtherEclectic	Date: October 29, 2005 @ 11:52 AM kirk had a wah addiction... on their cd's the line up should have said: guitar: james wah: kirk
GreatGooglyM...	Date: October 29, 2005 @ 12:16 PM ^Yep. The point, however, is that anyone can use wah. Even me.
shadowself	Date: October 29, 2005 @ 3:10 PM TheOwl, have you heard more than one or two Al Di Meola songs? That's like saying that you don't like Metallica because you don't like traditional Irish drinking songs.
TheOwl	Date: October 29, 2005 @ 3:18 PM I've heard several entire albums by DiMeola, and believe me, I tried to find something to like about him and just could not find ANYTHING that even remotely interested me or held my attention.
GreatGooglyM...	Date: October 29, 2005 @ 3:48 PM Of course it's a bit about opinions, but Al Di Meola isn't that overrated. I mean, how many records has he sold? He's not even close as famous as Hammett for example. Besides, he actually has skills. A lot of skills. He can play electric guitar and acoustic guitar. He can play flamenco and jazz. It's fucking wrong that he ain't more famous than he is now.
hueseph	Date: October 29, 2005 @ 4:49 PM "I've heard several entire albums by DiMeola, and believe me, I tried to find something to like about him and just could not find ANYTHING that even remotely interested me or held my attention." Something tells me you're not a jazz fan either. Di Meola did a series of CD's which were based around the works of Astor Piazzola. Entirely acoustic and beautiful. Piazzola was famous for writing tango's. Not for dancing but for listening. Now I understand that not everyone will like his stuff but he is far from overrated. There was a time when his ego got the best of him and he still gets slag for that. Underneath all the hype tho there is a brilliant guitarist. He does an awsome rendition of Some Day My Prince Will Come from Sleeping Beauty. He's worked with people world wide. Many who I doubt the majority would recognize. Artists like Aziza Mustafa Zadeh from Azerbaijan. Underrated is a better description I would say. Underacknoledged. You wanna talk about overrated? How about George Lynch, Ace Frehley, Mick Mars, Esteban(Yes I said Hack), Ottmar Leibert. Ottmar Leibert! Now here's a guy who calls himself a flamenco guitarist but reveolves his entire repetoire around a single progression! Bah!
hueseph	Date: October 29, 2005 @ 4:51 PM Uh...underacklnowleged.
hueseph	Date: October 29, 2005 @ 4:51 PM One more time...underacknowledged.
EvilPicnic	Date: October 29, 2005 @ 6:49 PM Most guitarists in the public eye are overated, just as most underground guiatrists are underacknowledged. It's the way the world works. For every EVH there are a thousand similar guiatrists who just weren't as lucky and didn't know the right people.
Traf	Date: October 29, 2005 @ 7:24 PM Clapton..
KyleEpps	Date: October 29, 2005 @ 9:07 PM this is so opinionated but i'll say The Edge, Kurt Cobain, Kirk Hammett, and Billie Joe..now i'm not saying everybody says these guys are great but this is my opinion of the majority of the publics' views of these players
KyleEpps	Date: October 29, 2005 @ 9:08 PM and personally i don't think slash is overrated..i don't think he's the best but i believe he is good b/c he can put a certain kind of emotion that can make u "feel" his music...technically not the best but musics all about soul right?
EtherEclectic	Date: October 29, 2005 @ 9:16 PM i don't mind edge really, i love his style...now bono as a band leader i'd label as overrated.. not because of vocals, but because of his constant focus from everyone on his political views.
Alecs	Date: November 2, 2005 @ 1:48 PM Yea u2 is overrated, though I wouldn't say the edge is overrated. His music is simple, but it doesn't try to be complicated. Simple music trying to be complicated is what fucks up the music industry
EtherEclectic	Date: November 2, 2005 @ 4:28 PM hell rock in general is overrated! listen to opera! that is some awsome shit!
Alecs	Date: November 2, 2005 @ 5:42 PM lol rock opera!
EtherEclectic	Date: November 2, 2005 @ 6:54 PM hey there is accually opera metal therion sirenia sins of thy beloved tristania nightwish within temptation all usually with full orchastras, and very angellic female vocals, some even more than male vocals.
MeddlingIdiot	Date: November 2, 2005 @ 11:36 PM jimi hendrix
GeneHilbert	Date: November 3, 2005 @ 12:12 AM Dude..... you obviously haven’t been alive very long....
Blaz	Date: November 3, 2005 @ 3:51 AM Kurt Kobain and Billy Joe Armstrong. They really cant play that much. And for those who said clapton and Hendrix - Can you tell me whay - they are one of the best guitarists in the world.
GeneHilbert	Date: November 3, 2005 @ 10:24 AM Well the Hendrix statement was idiotic. However - I have to agree with Traf for years Clapton was God, but as the new guns came along he seemed to get pushed aside. He quit being a Hell raiser, quit drinking and drugs. Started writing and playing jazzier and more contemplative pieces. And for the most part kids would rather listen to Dimebag, Greenday, or any other shitty noise event. But Slowhand just keeps doing his thing. The master at work.
GreatGooglyM...	Date: November 6, 2005 @ 4:18 PM Dimebag owns Clapton anytime.
Bhairava	Date: November 7, 2005 @ 4:15 PM Oh on going debate here. But for what this dude is supposed to be to some people E.G amazing, master guitarist and such like... and for being taught by Satch too but not showing much for it the most overatted gutiarist is.......... You guessed it Kirk Hammit. Mr Hammit you should be much better then you are and have come out with some rather terrible solo's I'm sorry. You must go into Room 101. You see I wouldn't really care about him just some people go around saying oh yeah he would have been as good as Vai but he just came along too late. I think thats simiply not true he just isn't good enough.
GeneHilbert	Date: November 7, 2005 @ 4:25 PM Please..... Dimebag was sloopy, sorry he's dead... but still.
EtherEclectic	Date: November 7, 2005 @ 4:26 PM if he is an idiot for saying Jimi Hendrix is overrated, then everyone here is an idiot sense we all can have our own opinion if we wish. i think jimi's playing is overrated IMO, i respect him for what he did for rock n roll, i must agree rock wasnt the same after jimi. BUT! from i think his technique is well overrated, sometimes creative, but way too sloppy for my personal taste.
GeneHilbert	Date: November 7, 2005 @ 4:26 PM Please..... Dimebag was sloppy, sorry he's dead... but still. Better.........
EtherEclectic	Date: November 7, 2005 @ 4:28 PM nope! still dead he is!
GeneHilbert	Date: November 7, 2005 @ 4:29 PM To opine does not make it factual.... or un-debatable.
EtherEclectic	Date: November 7, 2005 @ 4:32 PM well i was basing this whole thread on opinion only anywho. overration if that is word lol should be opinion based anyways. after all one could easily say public enemy was a really great hiphop group, but ya can bet Ted Nugent aint gonna like em! except use their cd as a compound bow n arrow target
hate9wicket	Date: November 7, 2005 @ 7:30 PM Not to jump anyone for their opinion,but, didn't Hendrix play a righty upsidedown? I'd like to see a righty player grab a lefty guitar and see how far he'd go...just my
EtherEclectic	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 1:39 AM didnt he also reverse the strings? anyone have a close up of his guitar being upside down strung the way it would be if played normally? not trying to call ya a liar, i just wondered that also after seeing the cover pic on guitar magazine.
GeneHilbert	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 1:43 AM he did string it normally – I have play with guitarist that didn’t – Albert King was like that – he played it upside down and then had a very strange tuning…..
GreatGooglyM...	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 3:22 AM Let me tell ya... Jimi was sloppy as hell. When I listen his fast licks, almost any isn't 100% clean. Besides, his singing was horrible. He was creative sometimes though. I enjoy his version of Star Spangled Banner. There he doesn't try to anything cleanly. He just rips it up! How is Dimebag sloppy? He was one of the most techinal guitarists in metal scene, and in overall as well. I don't know where you get your information Gene, but Hendrix used a right-handed guitar that was restrung and played right side up. That's a fact.
EtherEclectic	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 3:38 AM some could say dimes image was overrated by the public but his guitar playing was awsome. him and zakk were masters at powerful pinched harmonics. not to mention some of the crazy tricks dime did with the tremolo bar! listen to "the badge" by pantera---until that song i'd never heard someone make a horse sound with the guitar!
Bhairava	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 4:03 AM Hey Strat Wizard with Hendrix... I'm actually a pretty big fan to be honest. I like his singing myself but that doesn't matter too much he really didn't like his own voice anyway. I think the thing about him is how he used his ideas in his songs. I simply haven't heard anyone do it the same as him at all. I wouldn't care about his pioneering a lot of rock things or he would just be another random guitarist that has done so in time. But if I didn't find new interesting ideas in his music and imagination I wouldn't like his stuff.
tooles	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 4:22 AM I've never really liked Steve Vai...he's too much technique and not enough melody. I have a hell of a lot of respect for him as a guitarist, but I think that he gets too much credit as some kind of genius. Virtuosity is one thing, melody is something different.
mattbanx	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 4:30 AM I would agree with virtually all of the above, but I could name probably more underrated guitarists. All these guitarists though did keep the guitar a popular entity through the disco and new age years. I love all of them.
GreatGooglyM...	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 6:05 AM "I've never really liked Steve Vai...he's too much technique and not enough melody. I have a hell of a lot of respect for him as a guitarist, but I think that he gets too much credit as some kind of genius. Virtuosity is one thing, melody is something different." You're saying Vai is overrated? And he's getting too much credit? Wow, dude... you're really ignorant. By the way, can I ask you, what the fuck does mean "not enough melody"? That sounds pretty stupid...
mattbanx	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 6:20 AM There are people that say The Beatles were overrated and there will be just as many as this thread indicate that will dispute that. They were definately pioneers, including Vai. I don't think Eddie Van Halen is so underrated. Maybe I thimk that because he also became a dandy keyboard player. But he too is a pioneer.
mattbanx	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 6:21 AM I meant to say Eddie is not so overrated. Sorry. My mind was on thinking of guitarists like that.
GreatGooglyM...	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 6:32 AM Personally, I don't care that much of pioneers. Cause, if they wouldn't done what they done, then some else would. Besides, it's not certain that our music would be worse without them, just different.
EtherEclectic	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 8:40 AM really vai has only recently been getting more hype due to the G3 tour, before that most wouldnt have had a clue as to whom he was. and thanks strat for having the guts to say this part: "i dont care that much for pioneers. cause, if they wouldn't have done what they done, then someone else would" samething i've been thinking all my life when people throw a fit because someone disfavors Jimi Hendrix or the beetles. jimi pioneered some stuff for guitar, but had he learned the piano instead im sure someone else would have done what he done aswell. making him IMO a bit overrated in this world. think some people automatically favor him as a guitarist because of his name only.
GeneHilbert	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 10:17 AM Stratwizard - he strung the guitar NORMALLY - upside down (righty played lefty) - but NORMAL stringing low E 6string on top to high E 1st on bottom - NORMAL. Try reading my post and the prior to which they refer. I get my information NORMALLY by reading and observations.
mattbanx	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 10:25 AM There's those like me that have never learned how to tune a guitar. But I remember artists such as Leo Kottke that did a lot of open tuning. Relly expanded what the guitar can do. Anyone here heard of him?
GreatGooglyM...	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 10:50 AM "Stratwizard - he strung the guitar NORMALLY - upside down (righty played lefty) - but NORMAL stringing low E 6string on top to high E 1st on bottom - NORMAL. Try reading my post and the prior to which they refer. I get my information NORMALLY by reading and observations." That's exactly what I said. In your first post you said just "normally", which got me thinking that you meant he didn't change the order of the strings. Since you defined it now, we have an agreement, don't we?
hate9wicket	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 10:58 AM Thanks for clarifying that for me Gene, I was never sure, but from a technical standpoint, I'd have to read up, wouldn't he had also reversed the nut, bridge and pickups around, too? As far his playing being sloppy, Isn't rock and roll supposed to be a little dumb? I mean I love intellectual players like Fripp, Belew, Michael Hedges, et. al., but then again, there are guys like Gene from Ween, Butthole Surfers, Joe Santiago, who- probably never in their lives saw staff paper, let alone a theory book, still demonstrate skills that make you pay attention and wonder how they did that.
mattbanx	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 11:01 AM Eddie Van Halen can't even read music and Curt Cobain stated in interviews that he only knew a few chords.
EtherEclectic	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 11:17 AM any genre except for jazz can be classified as a bit on the dumb side if you are going to put it that way. blues, rock, country, especially hiphop. not every rock musician plays sloppy, there are just as many blues guitarists that were sloppy and rather simple.
PrincessTast...	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 11:59 AM True, true. Here's something to fight over: Hendrix, Clapton & Page are all awesome beyond awesome, but I never got what the big deal was about Jeff Beck. Just not impressed.
mattbanx	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 12:04 PM Personally, I love that dumb music. No music identifies as well as rock. Though I am sure some will disagree.
PrincessTast...	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 12:33 PM I don't.
EtherEclectic	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 1:20 PM that whole dumb thing is an awful stereotype that was pretty much based on mainstream music. and we all know that the majority of mainstream music isnt that technical.
Alstroph	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 1:34 PM In my opinion...Brian Setzer. Maybe that's just because I hate him...A LOT! ~M
mattbanx	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 1:39 PM Why?
EtherEclectic	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 2:38 PM i like his guitar, i hate swing however
tooles	Date: November 8, 2005 @ 4:08 PM " You're saying Vai is overrated? And he's getting too much credit? Wow, dude... you're really ignorant. By the way, can I ask you, what the fuck does mean "not enough melody"? That sounds pretty stupid... " I'm not trying to undercut the guy, like I said I have respect for his abilities. I just think that as a virtuoso he gets a lot more reverence than I care to share in. I think something like For The Love of God is a great accomplishment stylistically, but I just don't feel a connection with the piece's ambitions like I do when I listen to work of some less technical guitarists, like Richards or Edge. Like I said, I'm not trying to knock Vai--his bit in the movie Crossroads absolutely floored me when I saw it the first time. Vai is a superb guitarist, and I think he should be respected. I just don't much like his songs.
MeddlingIdiot	Date: November 11, 2005 @ 4:01 PM "Dude..... you obviously haven’t been alive very long...." ALL i hear from people is how great jimi hendrix was an how hes the best guitarist ever, but there are tons of guitarists that are better than him. hes getting too much credit, he was creative but not the greatest or most talented guitarist.
MeddlingIdiot	Date: November 11, 2005 @ 4:03 PM "Dude..... you obviously haven’t been alive very long...." ALL i hear from people is how great jimi hendrix was an how hes the best guitarist ever, but there are tons of guitarists that are better than him. hes getting too much credit, he was creative but not the greatest or most talented guitarist.
EtherEclectic	Date: November 11, 2005 @ 4:14 PM i think its his name alot that makes him so popular. some say he changed the music world and therefore no matter what it sounds like, people are expected i think to favor his playing. otherwise they get called an idiot for not liking him.
GreatGooglyM...	Date: November 11, 2005 @ 4:50 PM Like I stated in the other thread, I'm not that fond of Jimi either. Just because he did something new doesn't make him automatically great guitarist, does it? I've always like Jeff Beck more...
Bhairava	Date: November 11, 2005 @ 5:56 PM I had a problem with people dissing jimi for ages too. I think he is a genious but I realised what the problem was and why people disagree. I think some people look at guitarists purely as someone that plays and then purely as someone that writes for it and this is important to make. As far as a guitarist that plays yeah sure there are people that can do that better then him. As someone that writes music I think this is where he shines. I disagree that he is known purely because he did new stuff, his music is very good anyway without it being new though I don't expect everyone to like it of course but that goes with any style.
tsand19151	Date: November 11, 2005 @ 7:11 PM as a Jimi disciple I'll chime in and say why Jimi's in my blood. I would never try and convince anyone that he was the greatest guitarist of all time. I really don't believe in a "greatest". It's hard to appreciate Jimi today because there are so many cutting edge guitarist we have access to. But think back to 1967-68. The music scene was just poking along when Jimi busts on the scene with Are You Experinced?. It was so different, so new, so "who is that?" People quickly branded him genious or mad. Ask all of famous-named guitarist mentioned above in this thread and I'll bet my money 99.9% will proudly say they were inspired by Jimi's genious. He inpsired a whole generation of guitarist... I'm one of them. Finally, Jimi's legacy, in my opinion, lies not in what he did with the guitar (yes, he was at times sloppy and played out of tune alot) but with the imagination in his MUSIC. He was just begining to explore the studio and the latest music technology and lead the direction is should go. The Electric Ladyland (my favorite) album is renowned for that. The fact that his name shows up in a thread like this makes me laugh. But that's just me. I would never try and "convert" a non-Jimi believer. But let me make this very clear.....he'll always be in my blood.
tsand19151	Date: November 11, 2005 @ 7:45 PM ... and Brian Seltzer is NOT over-rated. I saw him ROCK once, damn, he can PLAY!!!!
EtherEclectic	Date: November 11, 2005 @ 8:19 PM well being able to play doesnt mean he cant be overrated, its only an opinion. i think eddie van halen is well overrated but thats my opinion, and we all know he doesnt accually sound like total shit.
tsand19151	Date: November 11, 2005 @ 8:25 PM ...but as to the question at hand: Esteban would get my vote. man, that is one cheesy infomercial. and I was only kidding about Seltzer, he may be overrated.
EtherEclectic	Date: November 11, 2005 @ 8:35 PM well if estaban does more geico commercials i may give him some credit lol have to admit the geico one is funny.
GeneHilbert	Date: November 11, 2005 @ 11:44 PM Let us consider all of the above opinions hold credibility and are true. Which by the nature of the arguments being opined with such conviction stating this to indeed be fact: One must conclude every guitarist is over rated. So since every guitarist is over rated - and every guitarist on Dmusic and dare say the world that claims to be influenced by any number of the aforementioned over rated guitarist were mistaken when they were duped into believing they wanted to be like their over rated idols. This makes us all naive and misguided. For the sake of argument we are “idiots” if you will. So since we are all idiots and the millions of us idiots around the world have defined our music, life style, art, rational, our very lives are all that based on a falsehood and an idiotic premise steaming from our ignorance in believing the emotional connection stimulated by these frauds. I can only then conclude that this makes us false and ultimately useless to the world.
tooles	Date: November 12, 2005 @ 12:27 AM Touche, dude.
mdearing	Date: November 13, 2005 @ 1:10 PM Hammett is overrated. He can't sustain a noted without bending it out of tune and making it sound as shrill as possible. But in my opinion he plays the fast stuff pretty flawlessly. Slash- I love Slash. People always say it's not about the technical prowess but about emotion and feel. That's Slash. He does have some technical ability as well. It might not be on par with Yngwie, but he's got some. But what makes me enjoy listening to him is the fact his playing is packed with emotion. Plus he has great tone. Hendrix is definitely not overrated. Hendrix played from the soul. If you bag on Hendrix then I say to you (to quote Sidney Deane from the movie White Men Can't Jump), "you can't 'hear' Jimi"! A great left handed player who played a right handed guitar just turned upside down with the strings still tuned for a righty? Actually there at two that I love. Eric Gales and Doyle Bramhall II.
GreatGooglyM...	Date: November 13, 2005 @ 1:40 PM I don't wanna argue with yuor opinions, but "feeling" and "emotion" are always in the listener. You can't say that a blues guitarist has more emotion than a guy who plays 45.2 notes per second.
Alecs	Date: November 13, 2005 @ 1:41 PM neither can you say the latter
GreatGooglyM...	Date: November 13, 2005 @ 1:45 PM Exactly. Different people feel music different ways. The problem is that people tend to say that "this guy has no emotion". Every guitarist plays with emotion. They just express it differently.
Alecs	Date: November 13, 2005 @ 3:46 PM i wouldn't say EVERY guitarist plays with emotion. Guitarists of all styles play with emotion. Bottom line you can't become an incredible guitar player without somehow adding emotion into your playing, or so I think.
GeneHilbert	Date: November 13, 2005 @ 3:48 PM I concur - or else what would be your motivation.......
Bhairava	Date: November 13, 2005 @ 5:42 PM I think when people talk blues they mean passion specifying a specific emotion. Yeah some people don't have that much passion in their playing and blues is made for passion its the whole point you can't expect it from every style and not every song needs it. Well definately passion in writing it but maybe not the performance.
Alecs	Date: November 13, 2005 @ 5:58 PM bhairava what are you talkin about? the performance is the passion. You ever seen Steve Vai play Tender Surrender? he looks like he's having an orgasm!
mdearing	Date: November 13, 2005 @ 8:22 PM Nobody can ever accuse Steve Vai of not playing with emotion and passion. He has it all, which is why he is as successful as he is. He has some of the best slow hand stuff out there, but then he can turn around and dazzle you with amazing technical ability. Vai rules!!! Bottom line, he has great songs. But then this post is supposed to be dedicated to overrated guitarists. Steve Vai is definitely not one of those. You can be a shredder and player with emotion. But in my opinion(which is all this is) you've really got to have the slow stuff down. If you can play like David Gilmore then you’re doing something right. But there's nothing wrong with playing fast.
K3VIN	Date: November 13, 2005 @ 8:46 PM hmm.. overrated guitarist.. no1s really overrated if u feel them u feel them
Alecs	Date: November 13, 2005 @ 9:08 PM i agree mdearing, my favorite example is rusty cooley. He can shred like hell lke in Under The Influence (http://rustycooley.com/MP3/clip_under_the_influence.mp3) but he also plays slow and with extreme emotion like in Epilogue For Lisa (http://rustycooley.com/MP3/Rusty-Cooley-Epilogue%20For%20Lisa.mp3)
EtherEclectic	Date: November 13, 2005 @ 11:17 PM sorry K3vin us guitar players are different when it comes to other guitar players....we are like wild animals...we sneak up on them...if they seem fragile or trying to move in on our pride we lash out at them ripping them apart like lions in africa! Ha just kidding! thinking someone is overrated is just a personal thing, some just share the same pref.
guitaroo	Date: November 13, 2005 @ 11:45 PM It is my opinion that Satriani and Van halen aren't as good as some people say...I think Allan Holdsworth or Eric Clapton is better.
guitaroo	Date: November 13, 2005 @ 11:51 PM ^just an opinion though I know alot of people like them and I appreciate all guitarists...but I just think they get to much attention. Again just an opinion
Bhairava	Date: November 14, 2005 @ 4:00 AM [Quote] bhairava what are you talkin about? the performance is the passion. You ever seen Steve Vai play Tender Surrender? he looks like he's having an orgasm! [/Quote] Thats what I mean by the passion behind the music. The music might not be passionate itself as if in a tranquil mild song, or a exercise or something but you can play it with a lot of enthusiasm anyway. Blues guitar is more about just kind of roaring with the guitar or whispering to anyone that might be there. Also I think Shred is usually more fury then passion. Or when its good a passionate fury. Its just there is definately a slight difference that matters between the styles and its difficult to describe. Anyone else hear it maybe you could help out?
GreatGooglyM...	Date: November 14, 2005 @ 8:50 AM ^You're wrong. Shred needs a lot of passion. How else would you dedicate yourself to the instrument for years...? Of course every guitarist plays with emotion. You're not thinking it enough thoroughly. Whether the guitarist plays blues, shred, punk, rock... whatever, he needs some emotion for it. The music doesn't come from nowhere. The inspiration doesn't come from nowhere. The "good" or the "bad" songs don't come from no where. There is always some kind of emotion behind them, and that we hear differently. Some don't hear any emotion in shred and some think shred, on the other hand, is more passionate than blues. Besides, why would someone play instrument, if they have "no emotion" for the intrument or the music in general?
guitaroo	Date: November 14, 2005 @ 9:34 AM I agree with Stratwizard on this....All styles of music have passion...and in my opinion especially rock
Alecs	Date: November 14, 2005 @ 4:41 PM I also agree with strat on this, but on the fact that shred takes emotions other than fury. I mean just listen to Altitudes by Jason Becker. You can't say all he felt while playing that was fury.
Bhairava	Date: November 14, 2005 @ 7:11 PM I agree with Strat too. Random huh. I agree with what you're saying man its just I think there is more to it and I can't quite put my finger on it. oh and one thing... [Quote] ^You're wrong. Shred needs a lot of passion. How else would you dedicate yourself to the instrument for years...? [/Quote] I've met plenty of people that I truly believe play purely out of wanting to be big and show off and that is their only passion. Is that a musical passion or just a passion for image? I guess thats more what I'm kind of trying to get at. People that say play shred to compare themselves to others only and try and show off as better then others. Because I think its partly competetion which drives shred unfortunately just because it allows for a lot of ego to get in if you're not careful. I mean its so amazing what people like vai can do that its hard not to have an ego about it and many people have huge ones. Obviously not all and they are people I admire for it. I think thats more what I was getting at. I hope I wasn't too confusing. I've kind of suffered because of the whole ego and shred thing at school so it really matters to me. I'd say everysingle shredder there apart from maybe one in a big group at school do it entirely for image. They all seem to listen to similar music and it feel like an unseen rule of what you're allowed to listen to or not and they seem to have similar views on most things and dress similarly for that matter. I can't stand that side of music cause I didn't conform to them and kind of got left outside because of that. Any similar experiences?

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