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You have no emotion

GreatGooglyM...	Date: July 2, 2006 @ 2:25 PM Yeah, damn straight you schmucks. I play with more emotion than you. I measured it with emotion-o-meter. I play the blues, I use bends, loooong sustained notes and I DON'T play fast. Because, if you play faster than 16th notes on 100 bpm, you have no emotion. Remember young grasshoppers, if you play fast you don't play with emotion. Those goddamn wankers like Rusty Cooley, Yngwie Malmsteen and Steve Vai. Totally no emotion.
evansorchid	Date: July 2, 2006 @ 2:34 PM I must have a bunch of emotion then. I play nothing but quarter-notes and half-notes.
GreatGooglyM...	Date: July 2, 2006 @ 2:38 PM I measured you with my emotion-o-meter. You rate on a scale from 0 to 10994506436.53234 234567.567. So, yeah you're doing pretty well. No fast licks, me tells.
Alecs	Date: July 2, 2006 @ 3:07 PM Yea, dude, I completely agree That's why Green Day and the White Stripes kick ass! Tons of emotion!!
TameasDust	Date: July 2, 2006 @ 3:10 PM who is Green Day
imemine	Date: July 2, 2006 @ 3:16 PM I love opinions when stated as fact!----or perhaps this is satire? Either way it’s funny as hell!
billrhynes	Date: July 2, 2006 @ 4:02 PM emotion is for pussies
kingo	Date: July 2, 2006 @ 4:12 PM Notes?
billrhynes	Date: July 2, 2006 @ 4:22 PM I hate notes
billrhynes	Date: July 2, 2006 @ 4:23 PM
billrhynes	Date: July 2, 2006 @ 4:23 PM oh, I'm just bein an ass today...
HenriRoger	Date: July 2, 2006 @ 5:35 PM This thread is a very old troll
ShadowMom	Date: July 2, 2006 @ 5:49 PM It seems a bit odd to try to measure emotion in bpms... emotion is an intangible. If you could quantify it that way, it would lose most of its meaning anyway.
EvilPicnic	Date: July 2, 2006 @ 6:06 PM ^^Precisely. I did once play with a young (well, same age as me) guitarist who could only shred. He couldn't play chords, riffs or anything, and he didn't have the technique to play anything slow or melodic. Which is kinda sad, because a lot of people focus on playing fast thinking that speed is the be-all & end-all of guitar playing, when it isn't. Nothing wrong with playing fast, and nothing wrong with playing slow. But to focus on one aspect of your playing to the detriment of all the others is foolish and ultimately boring, whatever that aspect is. It all comes down to taste in the end. One person likes this, the other likes that. One likes slow, smooth swing; the other likes fast, angular be-bop. Both peeps are happy until they start imposing their opinions on each other. Emotion (& music) is only what we perceive it to be. So lets just accept it for what it is. Etc. etc. GGM, you're an awesomely talented guitarist, btw. Is this thread something you feel personally about? If so, don't worry, you kick arse.
pog	Date: July 2, 2006 @ 6:31 PM Never a truer word said in jest, Bill. Emotion is for wimps. Go and play some emo ya girls blouse. Your just sayin' that because ya can't go that fast. Seriously though, picnic's got it bang on... speed is just as important as emotion and feel. It's all a part of being a developed player. If someone were to sit there bending one string for long enough, it loses meaning and thus becomes boring. It's all relative tastyness
victorsskull	Date: July 3, 2006 @ 12:51 AM pussy emo fags
Industrial-B...	Date: July 3, 2006 @ 3:05 AM I don't care how much emotion you have, if your music fails to excite me then I still won't listen. No matter if it is shred or otherwise.
GreatGooglyM...	Date: July 3, 2006 @ 3:30 AM Feeling is for pussies goddamnit! Who's that Steve Vai anyway? I hate him. And yes, I'm completely serious here!
HenriRoger	Date: July 3, 2006 @ 6:12 AM I like emotion and fast playing should I see a doctor ?
TameasDust	Date: July 3, 2006 @ 7:30 AM depends on whether or not you get the strings wrapped up in anything or not
GeneHilbert	Date: July 3, 2006 @ 7:51 AM Playing fast or playing slow is interpreting and portraying emotions. If one can only do one or the other cleanly, then either ones technique is not there or underdeveloped, they are emotionally challenged, or maybe, just maybe musical performance is not their forte.
GreatGooglyM...	Date: July 3, 2006 @ 8:42 AM Gene, I just measured you with my emotion-o-meter. I sense a strong force in you!
imemine	Date: July 3, 2006 @ 8:47 AM Jedi master Gene is! No try, only do!
billrhynes	Date: July 3, 2006 @ 11:01 AM
billrhynes	Date: July 3, 2006 @ 11:02 AM wheres the fuckin' "Yoda" emote???
GreatGooglyM...	Date: July 7, 2006 @ 1:48 PM No offence to you... but Yoda is a tasteless wanker with zero emotion. Or am I confusing him with Micheal Angelo Batio?
JamesThomson	Date: July 7, 2006 @ 7:07 PM you aint listened to my stuff then have you
CarvinAbuser	Date: July 10, 2006 @ 10:11 AM Don't look at me, I bend the string like reent-toont-teent-toont-teent-toont-teenooneenoonee.
JamesThomson	Date: July 10, 2006 @ 10:59 AM never heard a string bend like that before^^^
zedsalt	Date: July 10, 2006 @ 11:07 AM I have...once...in a garage somewhere...Joe's, I think...
GreatGooglyM...	Date: July 10, 2006 @ 12:19 PM Is it there where Catholic Girls have Wet T-Shirt Nites and then you know you've been there when you wonder Why Does It Hurt When I Pee?
Rissan	Date: July 17, 2006 @ 7:53 AM ok then... instead of making a new thread, i'll post here! mr.greatgoo... recommend me good "emotion" full guitar players! that don't play fast, and use little effects!
GreatGooglyM...	Date: July 17, 2006 @ 1:08 PM Blues is the way to go. And Kurt Kobain rocks too. Yeah, and the guys from Green Day and Blink 182. They have a lot of emotion too.
MinisterofSc...	Date: July 17, 2006 @ 4:44 PM rappers are REAL emotional...when they're yelling about those bitches and what they want done to them...it's all pretty slow...EEEEmotional
Rissan	Date: July 19, 2006 @ 9:26 AM is it that time of the month, mr,greatgoo?
GreatGooglyM...	Date: July 19, 2006 @ 11:31 AM No, it's not that time. It's that time. You know, THAT?
Traf	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 7:36 AM You don't have to worry about emotion if you play faster than 1.703 bpm. It's a well known fact that any faster than this and noone can tell what the notes were anyway, so you can play anything and tell people it's full of emotion. They might even believe you.. You just mustn't pause on any notes and then you'll be ok.
HenriRoger	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 9:02 AM There is a difference between listening to someone playing fast and watching someone playing fast . Visual emotions , the power of live music
Rikki27	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 10:32 AM well, bands like Metallica, 9/10 when they write a song and it comes to a solo, just totally improvise and it doesnt even suit the song. emotion towards there music? nooooopppppeeee
nameistaken	Date: July 21, 2006 @ 5:25 PM The emotion is in the player and the listener. Noise doesn't have emotion in it, it just conveys emotion.
GreatGooglyM...	Date: August 2, 2006 @ 4:34 PM I think Kirk Hammett is a robot. Therefore he can't have emotion anyway. But he's an old model, which is not updated. That's why his solos sound like shit.
EchoMinor	Date: August 2, 2006 @ 4:37 PM well large emotion usually means you are making up for something else
marcosalvarez	Date: August 24, 2006 @ 6:05 PM disagree...go for a sunny walk alongside Cadiz bay in south Spain and see Paco de Lucia or Vicente Amigo playing..you will understand that emotion is not a matter of forms.
hueseph	Date: August 24, 2006 @ 7:10 PM You learn em Rikki27 I know if I were in the same room with these "masters" they would bow to me in utter shame. Yes, who could could stand aginst my awesome playing? Or was that aweful? I'm not sure which. What's really funny is the thin line which determines sarcasm from sincerity is so blurred here as to be non-existent. Yer all killin' me. I'm killin' me. Goodbye cruel world.
hueseph	Date: August 24, 2006 @ 7:11 PM If I had to witness Paco De Lucia playing live, I would likely break my own hands or burn my guitar or both. I suppose I'd have to burn my guitar first. Hard to burn stuff with broken hands.
hueseph	Date: August 24, 2006 @ 7:17 PM Saw John Mclaughlin live with Shakti and Di Meola with Rite of Strings. Yeah you can't have emotion with speed. I mean how are you supposed to show emotion when you know exactly what notes to play? Don't you know that emotion can only spring from musical ignorance? :roflmao: Truly expression and musical illiteracy go hand in hand. Look at the great writers. Bach, Mozart, Coletrain, Debussy: None of them could actually read music could they?
shouhei	Date: August 24, 2006 @ 7:25 PM err... I really can't believe that they couldn't read music. if you're right then kudos...
hueseph	Date: August 25, 2006 @ 1:48 AM See what I mean? The line between sarcasm and sincerity is severly blurred here. It's like the Twilight Zone.
victorsskull	Date: August 25, 2006 @ 2:09 AM I use emotions I just broke a string and screamed son of a bitch gotta love emotions
shouhei	Date: August 25, 2006 @ 6:16 AM
shouhei	Date: August 25, 2006 @ 6:25 AM it seems I totally missed the point... nvm
GreatGooglyM...	Date: August 25, 2006 @ 8:51 AM The line between sarcasm and sincerity is severly blurred here. O rly?
Rikki27	Date: August 25, 2006 @ 11:09 AM true...if u dont have emotion, why play music? fast does not equal great
Rikki27	Date: August 25, 2006 @ 11:12 AM Okay so maybe not all the time Metallica and the like improvise Hueseph, but the majority is that they do. Battery? fast, but crap. Master of Puppets? long and hits hard, but it isnt technicaly great. Enter Sandman? possibly there only song and lead line that suits the song.
GreatGooglyM...	Date: August 25, 2006 @ 3:37 PM Master of Puppets' solo is the one of the good examples of what is wankery. Listen how pathetic Hammett sounds. He just goes all over the fretboard playing simple licks that have no relation to each other whatsover. Actually Kirk's best solo work is on St. Anger. I think he finally realized that his best solo lasts 0 seconds. Brilliant! The ironic thing is that Metallica got me into whole a new world of technical playing and subsequently to SHRED GUITAR. Interesting fact #2: Metallica actually stole the riff for Enter Sandman from a Finnish band.
BlackMage	Date: August 25, 2006 @ 4:35 PM "Interesting fact #2: Metallica actually stole the riff for Enter Sandman from a Finnish band." Insert name of said band into your next reply. And a link to anywhere you have found this info.
GreatGooglyM...	Date: August 25, 2006 @ 4:49 PM It was on some music program a long ago. They played a music video from this band and the riff was the same. As "interesting" the fact is, I have long forgotton the name of that band.
BlackMage	Date: August 25, 2006 @ 4:59 PM I would have quoted the word fact instead. Provide some more information instead of just vague descriptions. Was the song by the other band older than Enter Sandman? Was the finnish band famous? Do you realize that you're claiming something pretty serious without even giving anything concrete?
Rikki27	Date: August 25, 2006 @ 6:53 PM Metallica are at there best when they stopped focusing on speed, and went into how the song actually sounds. h wait a minute...that hasnt happened yet...
Saint	Date: August 25, 2006 @ 7:00 PM This is the lamest thread ever...playing fast doesnt lack emotion, unless your a pussy who hasnt sampled the emotions: hate,asskicking,and mass destruction.Those emotions rule and can come out in fast playing just fine. And just for the record, metallica rocks...and Kirk Hammett is your God
Rikki27	Date: August 25, 2006 @ 7:23 PM Hammet sux
jewsus	Date: August 25, 2006 @ 7:29 PM well, as much as i like technical death metal, i somewhat agree with this. but only to a point. we do all have to remember that metallica played "thrash metal" so inherently they play fast and also are gay. just kidding, some thrash bands are ok, but not metallica. and i don't mean gay as in "bad", i mean gay as is "raging homosexuals". i hear kirk takes more cock at a post concert party than most pornstars take in a lifetime. how's that for claiming something serious without having any concrete proof? seriously though, they're wankers. i could slap my balls on my guitar for 50 minutes and it would be a more productive album than anything they've done in the past 10 years.
EchoMinor	Date: August 25, 2006 @ 7:38 PM kirk hammett worships his wah petal. but then again i havent really listed to anything off of st anger so i have no idea if he still overuses the wah petal.
ollie09	Date: August 25, 2006 @ 8:32 PM well i go by what the bible says there's a time for everything. that means there's a time for speed and there's a time for being melodic. it all depends on what the rest of the band is playing/doing. and what mood your trying to feel
ollie09	Date: August 25, 2006 @ 8:35 PM maybe u should check out joe satriani. he puts kirk hammett to shame. maybe cuz he was his teacher as well steve vai and alex skolnick(testament)
GreatGooglyM...	Date: August 26, 2006 @ 4:08 AM Uh, Satriani is boring. Skolnick's fusion stuff is pretty awesome though.
hueseph	Date: August 26, 2006 @ 4:40 AM I have to admit, i wouldn't buy a Satriani album but he puts on a great live show. After a while you can hear him repeat licks though which is a bit of a shame. That's something however, that is difficult to avoid for any guitarist. Hammet, yeah he's not the best. I like early Metallica. Not for the solos but for the songs. And Yeah Hammet does overuse his wah peDal. Now, not to pick on anyone in particular but, trashing bands just because they play fast is rediculous. In all seriousness now and with all sincerity, I find it extremely difficult to take the opinion to heart from a person who's skills are so plainly lacking. Now I know and that you don't need to be a chef to know what good food is but, as it has been pointed out, it sure adds weight to your criticizm. If hammett or googly for that matter were to approach me and say "hey man you suck", fine! That wouldn't be hard for me to take. But, if say Boy George or Fred Durst criticized my playing, I would laugh in their face! Here man! You do better!
EvilPicnic	Date: August 26, 2006 @ 5:08 AM ... I think Boy George is too busy sweeping the streets to comment.
Rikki27	Date: August 26, 2006 @ 6:36 AM lol Jewsus! i thought u were gonna make a serius point, but it just turned into a rant
Rikki27	Date: August 26, 2006 @ 6:38 AM wow Hueseph what an ass
Rikki27	Date: August 26, 2006 @ 6:39 AM do u get pleasure in putting ppl down?
hueseph	Date: August 26, 2006 @ 10:09 AM I don't know. Do you? Weren't you the ones saying that Kirk Hammett "sux ass". I think my point was a valid one. All I'm saying is until your at that level of ability, your crit doesn't hold much weight. Does it? And when I say "yours" I don't mean "you" necessarily. You take that upon yourself if you wish to.
GreatGooglyM...	Date: August 26, 2006 @ 10:20 AM The bottom line is that Hammett fucking sucks. Even Fred Durst knows that.
hueseph	Date: August 26, 2006 @ 11:00 AM I have no comment on what Hammett does back stage.
Rikki27	Date: August 26, 2006 @ 11:43 AM Okay then. How do you know what my "level of ability" is? have you met me? have you heard my more guitar fueled songs? How can u critise me if we're talking about Hammett here?
victorsskull	Date: August 26, 2006 @ 11:46 AM screw hammet go liten to my tunes I have soul bitches
Rikki27	Date: August 26, 2006 @ 11:48 AM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enter_Sandman The Finnish band is called "Stone" and the slbum containing the riff was released in 1988 3 years before the black album, Black Mage.
GreatGooglyM...	Date: August 26, 2006 @ 2:12 PM
Rikki27	Date: August 26, 2006 @ 2:47 PM i knew id seen it somewhere
CarvinAbuser	Date: August 26, 2006 @ 3:13 PM If you think Satriani is a one-trick shredder, I suggest you listen to his self titled album which contains some very good blues and funk.
GreatGooglyM...	Date: August 26, 2006 @ 3:49 PM But that's what Joe pretty much is. A one trick shredder. Everytime he comes up with a new album or a song, they sound the same. Simple drums & bass background with some "bluesy" legato lines acting the solo guitar's role. He's pretty good but also very repetetive.
CarvinAbuser	Date: August 26, 2006 @ 4:02 PM I really like Joe's playing, I've been listening to him for a long time. I'll admit that I haven't really been into what he's done after Crystal Planet but I think he's very versatile and melodic. He can play metal, rock, blues, funk, jazz and classical. The problem is, I don't think he uses his versatility enough.
jewsus	Date: August 26, 2006 @ 5:12 PM "Now, not to pick on anyone in particular but, trashing bands just because they play fast is rediculous. In all seriousness now and with all sincerity, I find it extremely difficult to take the opinion to heart from a person who's skills are so plainly lacking." A) that's the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard about music. i guess people don't have ears or the capacity to hear. cos honestly, a lot of scholars can't play a lick of some of the most amazing composers of all time, let alone the regular joe type of people that listen to any other kind of music. does that mean they don't know what they're talking about or what they like or don't? of course not. and even though i'm not a complete god when it comes to playing shred guitar i have a pretty good understanding of music. i was a music major for 3 years in college before i transfered and dropped it. but honestly, that shouldn't even matter. people can judge for themselves if something sounds good to them, or if it sounds like crap. they don't need a music prof. to tell them that. B) i don't know if that insult was directed at me or not but if it is, you're trying to compare apples and oranges. i don't attempt to play thrash, i play black metal for the most part.
Rikki27	Date: August 26, 2006 @ 6:27 PM lol i thought he was directing that at me Jewsus that guys full of it
jewsus	Date: August 26, 2006 @ 10:15 PM i dunno but comparing you to kirk doesn't really make much sense either.
EchoMinor	Date: August 26, 2006 @ 10:19 PM evil, boy george is too busy coming up with different ways to put eyeliner on.
hueseph	Date: August 27, 2006 @ 3:15 AM This discussion comes up over and over again. I'm not talking about like and dislike. If you want to say you don't like so and so, that's fine and dandy but if you are going to say that so and so sucks, you better be ready to step up to plate. I wasn't aiming at Jewsus. The ability to play what is in your heads lends to your ability to portray emotion. I suppose even apes can communicate some level of emotion but compare that to a human and who would you say is the more skilled? Granted, there was a gorrilla in a zoo that was making "art" that they would sell in order to raise funds. Would you call that art? The better equipped you are to put a sentance together, the more likely you will be understood, the more likely your message will come across. If there was emotion intended it will be there. I have nothing against death metal. I'm a fan of Death (the band) actually. Gene Hoglun is one of my fav drummers. Musicians who are limited in skills tend to stick to what they understand. This is not a fact but a general rule that is USUALLY true. People who rave about blues guitarists as being "Gods" usually are struggling to get through a pentatonic scale without making it sound mechanical. Now I'm not trashing the blues. I have a great deal of respect for some of the great blues players. I don't worship them but I respect what they are able to do with what little they use. That is, maintaining uniqueness within the parameters of a blues format. That in itself is an artform and I don't claim that I could ever achieve that. With that in mind however, I can also see how the more you know, the more you can communicate. If you can do that with speed, it's even more impressive. Wether or not you percieve the emotion is another question. Some people don't get Shakespear. Others do. Now you will hear those people who hate it complain that "it doesn't make any sense" or that "it's boring". Ask a person who knows what's going on however and they will say. "It's beautiful and creepy at times,tragic, immoral and perverse at other times." In fact if you ask a person who hates Shakespear why it's "boring" they will either be honest and say "I can't understand what's going on" or they will not have an answer at all. In fact it would be more likely that they are completely incapable of expressing why they hate it. I'm sure there are people out there who hate it for legitimate reasons but how many kids go to their enlish class hating Shakespear but once they've learned to understand what's going on, learn to love it? From here on, I'm sure we're going to lead of into discussions about "What is art REALLY?" and " Is there really such a thing as BAD art?". I don't care to go into that. Rikki: Just go ahead and say my playing lacks emotion. That's okay.
leedsquietman	Date: August 27, 2006 @ 3:32 AM musicians are just musicians - it either rings your bell or it doesn't and you can't please everybody all the time, so just go ahead, practice and play in your own style and to the best of your ability, some will like it, some won't, some will pretend they don't like it but do out of envy, whatever... can you even quantify emotion?? Even something that sounds cold, contrived and repetitious may have been someone's best effort into which they put everything they had and you can bet someone will admire it, even if you think it sucks. Striking a balance between speed and technique is always a dilemma but what's wrong with admiring both?? I don't think the comments about Kirk Hammett's alleged backstage activities really refelct on his skills or lack of them as a guitar player. And considering his success in the music world I'm pretty sure he's not going to lose sleep because someone on an internet site criticized him, tell it to his platinum disc, etc... Just get on with it and play, people get too deep and paranoid on this site sometimes and focus on praising or slagging off other people's music rather than making their own. Just remember though, that you don't have to give false praise or be phoney but if you are going to criticize others you ought to have some pretty thick skin and be able to take punches as well as dish them out...and just 'cos someone says you're shit or you're amazing doesn't make it so either, don't look for validation from others, just aim to be the best you can be.
hueseph	Date: August 27, 2006 @ 4:20 AM "Just remember though, that you don't have to give false praise or be phoney but if you are going to criticize others you ought to have some pretty thick skin and be able to take punches as well as dish them out...and just 'cos someone says you're shit or you're amazing doesn't make it so either, don't look for validation from others, just aim to be the best you can be." I'm with you all the way on that one. Hey, my music sucks! That's ok though. I put my all into it and am willing to put in the effort to improve. Harsh crit is welcome.
leedsquietman	Date: August 27, 2006 @ 5:45 AM I feel what you're saying a lot in my music too, I mostly feel disappointed and lack confidence about it. I'm doing the best I can right now but wish I could chuck in my job and play until I can have confidence in my playing but it ain't going to happen (mortgage, bills, family etc). Sometimes we're our own worse critics and musicians are never seemingly in tune with themselves, we are either overbearing, obnoxious jerks who think the world owes us a living (plenty of totally crap musicians feel and act this way) or self depreciating, paranoid souls who use music as an instrument of torture on our self esteem.
Rikki27	Date: August 27, 2006 @ 7:54 AM Hueseph, not ONCE did i say i say your playing lacks emotion. I was critisising how you said that until someone is skilled, they have no right to there own opinion basically. And so what if im not the best guitarist/singer in the world? im making music I want to make, with the tools at my disposal, however low quality they are. But the fact is this, being a musician you have to stick to what you like doing and not stop doing it because someone harshly crit