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gcnmarcus	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 6:18 PM Please disable my shoutbox until you are ready to give me full control over my shoutbox. I refuse to be chained and will have a shoutbox of my own on my own site.
milladrive	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 6:30 PM lol, this site is definitely entertaining me today.
YaBoyDrew	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 6:53 PM yo fuck that shyt son shoutboxs are ill
onewhodreams	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 7:11 PM Wow... lol Today is an interesting day
MickeyBreezy	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 7:20 PM the whole point of the shoutbox is so every1 can shout(hooray captain obvious, sorry) the point is no1 wants to c just 1 persons feelings or song suggestions y do u complain about every thing at dmusic
gcnmarcus	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 7:22 PM Interesting and entertaining to see people not wanting to be controlled.
gcnmarcus	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 7:24 PM And here is the kicker, I use a spam-filter with my email accounts, I don't ask anyone to have the email removed, LOL ROFL LMAO
MickeyBreezy	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 7:24 PM ur not controlling any1 ur just pissin every1 off
gcnmarcus	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 7:32 PM If I piss you off, tough SHlT deal with it.
milladrive	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 7:48 PM No one's controlling you, gcn. On the contrary, you are free to come and go as you please. We have _given_ you a page and a site with many features. It's obvious that you are not entirely pleased with those features. We appreciate your input, but you making demands doesn't mean it's gonna get done a certain way. I tried to explain that to you eariler today. We're sorry you're not happy about certain things, but we hope ya enjoy the rest of the site.
sinai	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 7:54 PM while your at it milla...wheres my emote?!?!
milladrive	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 7:57 PM
milladrive	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 8:03 PM gcn, if you wanna be in total control of your shoutbox, then I suggest that you make a site (as I see you're doing), register for one of our hosting packages, and have your site transferred over to our platform. You'll be able to do essentially anything you want then.
sinai	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 8:03 PM sheesh...the service around this place reminds me of an airline... we got a woman's leg emote for chrissakes!!!
gcnmarcus	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 8:04 PM "you making demands" The "demand" wouldn't be there if the option to delete was there now would it? I thought the email comment was a simple enough example to illustrate this. However, where do we go from here assuming my "demands" aren't met? I found an alternative so can I please have my shoutbox disabled so anyone who wants to post can go to my site instead and not think posts on my DMusic page are read? I would prefer they not post at all if I can't have full control over my page, just like I wouldn't expect someone else to be forced to keep comments I make on their personal page if they don't want them.
sinai	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 8:08 PM see!!! i'm not even demanding... im being a repetitive pain in the ass, yeah, but not demanding!
gcnmarcus	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 8:09 PM milla, "gcn, if you wanna be in total control of your shoutbox, then I suggest....one of our hosting packages, and"...yadda yadda OH!!! You want me to pay you guys in order to delete spam. Nice tactic, but nah, I'll go elsewhere.
gcnmarcus	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 8:13 PM milla, "gcn, if you wanna be in total control of your shoutbox, then I suggest....one of our hosting packages, and"...yadda yadda OH!!! You want me to pay you guys in order to delete spam. Nice tactic, but nah, I'll go elsewhere.
milladrive	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 8:14 PM So far, you're the only user who's asked for this feature to be disabled. I don't really see the public "demand." ...which is different from the "demand" you've made here. The email feature wasn't really a decent analogy, since emails are private. Your shoutbox isn't. And since the only DMusic equivalent is the Notes, which get very little spam (and can be controlled by the administration if there is), there's no need for us to enable filters there either. We am what we am and that's all what we am. Wasn't a tactic, but merely showing you your options. If you've found an alternative, then I see no reason to continue this discussion. No one's shoutbox will be disabled, and you're free to go elsewhere. Hope you find happiness. Heh, sinai, I'm almost scared to put that emot in, 'cause then you'll hafta find sumpm else for me to hold out on. hehe
sinai	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 8:16 PM yeah, but coming up with the sumpin else will be fun in an of itself... come to think of it...i remember mentioning amateur porn links in a thread awhile back...
redrasta	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 8:17 PM Um...is it me, or since I got preggers, did everyone else get my full 9 months of PMT???
onewhodreams	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 8:17 PM This is a community gcn - we share our music with each other and our shoutboxes are just like im messages. Just to say Hello or to say we uploaded a new song, or whatever. There would be no reason anyone would post a negative comment on anyone's shoutbox unless there was a problem. Don't be so worried about it. This is a great place to meet other musicians so try to enjoy what they offer here. My anyway...
gcnmarcus	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 8:21 PM "So far, you're the only user who's asked for this feature to be disabled. I don't really see the public "demand." ...which is different from the "demand" you've made here." Look at , you will see the shoutbox service is not dedicated to me only, they provide the same service to hundreds if not thousands of users who think the same as me and probably others here. How would you know what others want if they didn't come to you to tell you this. You are right, if you are unwilling to help there isn't going to be much that will be done and that is the very reason why I don't like it, cause YOU have the control over this matter not me. On my site, you don't, but yet people can still post. On another note, you say email isn't public, but it can be. I suggest you go to quicktopic.com yahoo.com groups section, among other sources I can provide you with and you will see clearly emails can be made public for everyone to see.
Slurgi	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 8:31 PM /me realizes he posted in gcnmarcus's shout box. I was unaware you didnt want people to send messages there. Sorry
ebarbarella	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 8:35 PM I delete my comment from your shoutbox gncmarcus ... I can see that you dont want comments on your shoutbox ... Nobody knew he didnt want messanges Slurgi
gcnmarcus	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 8:40 PM Slurgi, 1. Well, you can always post at at the bottom 2. You can post at and register, if you want to be a moderator let me know 3. You can boycott DMusic's shoutbox system (yes a movement is needed I guess before common sense is acted upon) until they get the message you want control over YOUR page. And considering you are an artist I would "demand" it. They are choosing to not allow you to control your page, it's not that they can't code it in.
gcnmarcus	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 8:47 PM ebarbarella, I do want messages, but I suggest we do it where we can both control things without needing a third party intervening. Do you want full control over something that is yours, or do you want to be told how you can and can not run it?
milladrive	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 9:56 PM looking for some slant to start a "movement." THIS seems like a tactic of yours. Well, we wish you and your site best of luck." id="77269">"How would you know what others want if they didn't come to you to tell you this." ...Like I've said, you're the only one who's asked for it. I still think your arguments are specious, at best, and you're missing the big picture. Here's an example. Let's say I use ZoneAlarm as a firewall. For free I get their top-notch firewall. If I feel like upgrading to their "Plus" package, I get hacker tracking, email virus and spam protection, advisor services, password protection, mobile pc protection, and a bevy of additional expert controls. AND, if I wanna go all out, I can step up to their "Pro" version, and, along with the other features, I can have cookie control, pop-up and ad blocking, and a cache cleaner. ...Now, I'm either gonna be happy with their wonderful freeware, OR I'll upgrade to get features I can't get for free. See how it works? I don't write to ZoneLabs and give them the old, "Ohhh, so I need to PAY to get cookie control?? Well, this is preposterous! How dare you? Hey, guess what, I have my own firewall service and I'm gonna try to steal your patrons away with my offer of free cookie control unless you incorporate it into your freeware." lmao, a "movement." And I suppose you're gonna lead that movement? heh... I see what this is, ya know. gcn, you obviously have an agenda. I addressed your concerns earlier in the forum when you wanted questions asked. You were "thinking" of what level of service you wanted to use with which to help promote artists. I _thanklessly_ helped you earlier with a request you'd made in your journal. But now it appears that the whole time you were just looking for some slant to start a "movement." THIS seems like a tactic of yours. Well, we wish you and your site best of luck.
MickeyBreezy	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 10:10 PM hey sinai im already an emote sucka!!! hey bignose guy dont u understand ur never gonna get what u want, it doesnt work if only 1 person rebels dumbass
gcnmarcus	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 10:33 PM milladrive Yes, my agenda is freedom. Sorry, it isn't your agenda as well. I have moved my "slant" to another page, yes believe it or not I started here with open hands. I thought I could use the DMusic page as a base to help promote DMusic tracks to those who visit my site. I react to the limitations and now I am accused of looking for a slant? I simply want my freedom to display my page how I want so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. How is this wrong? As for your Zonelab argument, don't get paranoid no one is stealing anyone. I just find it funny how instituting an obstacle which allows spam, then turning around and saying "Yea, but if you pay, we can give you the tools to remove the obstacle" is going make you out any different than putting nails on the road and then charging people so they can pick them up with a tool you made in order for them to drive without getting a flat. If you didn't create the obstacle in the first place, we wouldn't need to pay to get around it. Zonelab hasn't openly hacked my system in order to convince me to buy their product, why should DMusic impose an obstacle in front of me in order to get me to pay for some service (obstacle = not being able to remove shoutbox/journal posts, service = subscription) And it's rediculous to assume the journal/shoutbox feature is an integral part of sharing music, I would pay for the fact I wanted to store music and have it available. The journals and shoutboxes would have nothing do with my decision to pay any music service (but it would be a big convenience to have all 3 on one page where we can control). However, I am sure you are aware there are FREE services which can do this already, it's the storage of music and ability to share it that makes DMusic an asset with value. Why taint it by turning the journals and shoutboxes into an obstacle?
woodhead	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 10:38 PM I thought I had control of my page the shout box is why I stayed here, it is to damn cool if you ask my opinon, and you are not but thought I would say it any way.
milladrive	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 10:40 PM Missed the point entirely. Again, you're the only person who has voiced their concern about this being considered an "obstacle." Most people appreciate what they have for free. If you don't like it, you have the options to upgrade, accept it, or leave. The freedom is yours.
MickeyBreezy	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 10:50 PM honestly marcus im amazed at how much they do give u 4 free. i thought 2 get anything kool u would have 2 pay but i was totally wrong milla delete this fool.....j/k
gcnmarcus	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 10:54 PM milladrive Yes, my agenda is freedom. Sorry, it isn't your agenda as well. I have moved my "slant" to another page, yes believe it or not I started here with open hands. I thought I could use the DMusic page as a base to help promote DMusic tracks to those who visit my site. I react to the limitations and now I am accused of looking for a slant? I simply want my freedom to display my page how I want so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. How is this wrong? As for your Zonelab argument, don't get paranoid no one is stealing anyone. I just find it funny how instituting an obstacle which allows spam, then turning around and saying "Yea, but if you pay, we can give you the tools to remove the obstacle" is going make you out any different than putting nails on the road and then charging people so they can pick them up with a tool you made in order for them to drive without getting a flat. If you didn't create the obstacle in the first place, we wouldn't need to pay to get around it. Zonelab hasn't openly hacked my system in order to convince me to buy their product, why should DMusic impose an obstacle in front of me in order to get me to pay for some service (obstacle = not being able to remove shoutbox/journal posts, service = subscription) And it's rediculous to assume the journal/shoutbox feature is an integral part of sharing music, I would pay for the fact I wanted to store music and have it available. The journals and shoutboxes would have nothing do with my decision to pay any music service (but it would be a big convenience to have all 3 on one page where we can control). However, I am sure you are aware there are FREE services which can do this already, it's the storage of music and ability to share it that makes DMusic an asset with value. Why taint it by turning the journals and shoutboxes into an obstacle?
ashleighj	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 10:55 PM gcn, look here. if you weren't coming across as being arrogant and demanding, you'd be surprised how friendly and agreeable people can be. minor improvements are being made all the time here, and a lot of them come from user suggestions. one time, quite a while back, i left a shout on someone's page which they didn't want there. (and with hindsight, it was poor judgement of me to leave it there.) they asked me to delete it, but by the time i got the note, it had moved into the shout-archive, so i couldn't. it would have been nice if they'd been able to just delete it themselves as soon as they saw it. see? if you'd just be polite and reasonable, the admins would probably take you seriously, and people like me would be on your side to help. but instead, you just go on and on about these terrible "obstacles" that no one besides you seems to notice. if you'd rather people send notes to you elsewhere instead of in your shoutbox, why not just make a journal entry saying so? problem solved. you no longer need to check for shouts there. keep in mind you have two pages.. the user page (with your shouts, journal, etc..) and the artist page (with your music, bio if you wish, picture if you wish). just send people to your artist page only if all you want to do is have a storage spot here for your songs. and one last thing.. don't try to tell people your agenda is freedom when you're begging for a way to delete what other people say. someone will see right through it.
gcnmarcus	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 10:55 PM woodhead, Are you able to remove spam on your shoutbox?
ashleighj	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 10:57 PM (p.s. to milla and other admins -- i never asked for that feature because i'm afraid it would be abused. please don't take my message to be an endorsment of the idea.)
gcnmarcus	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 10:57 PM asleighj, Your music sucks first of all. Second, if you don't want to control your page without the need for an officer to step in, then you have come to the right place. If you want control over YOUR page, you should be entitled to it, and for that I support you 100%
MickeyBreezy	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 11:02 PM dude ashleihj was kinda supporting u just givin u some attitude advice. how u just gonna b all like "Your music sucks first of all." u shouldnt bite the hand that feeds u
gcnmarcus	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 11:03 PM "Missed the point entirely." Have you taken the time to understand my point?
MickeyBreezy	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 11:07 PM SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!NOBODY CARES:FURIOUS:
gcnmarcus	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 11:08 PM SnomaN6453 You mean you have to have numbers before a good idea is good? If 100 people shouted to jump off a cliff, would that seem like a better idea than if only 1 said it? If ashleighj wants to support something I say, I would hope it is because she wants it as well not because she sees this as an opportunity to "unite". And if you think that is attitude, let me clarify for you. My music sucks too, and not only that I don't have the guts she does to broadcast it on the internet. Sometimes you have to think outside the box in order to find truth.
milladrive	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 11:08 PM "asleighj, ...Your music sucks first of all." ...Is that an opinion or a fact? Do you always state your opinions as facts? Based on your attitude, I would imagine so. Dude, I've spent way too much time on you already. Have you taken the time to understand mine?
MickeyBreezy	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 11:09 PM oops
MickeyBreezy	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 11:12 PM if 100 people jumped off a cliff i would have a better example 2 base my judgment on. :milla: was just tryin 2 b friendly but ur bein an ass.
ashleighj	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 11:13 PM sorry you don't like my music. i'll the the first to admit that it's certainly not for everyone. it's very rare that i see any need to control what people write in my shoutbox or anywhere else. the way you phrase it makes you look like a control freak, though.. but then again, i just came here to have somewhere free i could store my songs. then i was pleasantly surprised to find a great community hanging around. i think i have plenty of control over my page, which dmusic provides me with free of charge. i'm just saying that people would be more inclined to agree with you if you came across as being a little more... diplomatic, let's say. love ya!
woodhead	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 11:19 PM Are you able to remove spam on your shoutbox? I dont see it as spam, I see it as potential friends and some one I might be buddies with, but not spam not here. the shout boxes are ppl that are trying to meet you and basicly cyber talk and meet a new friend it is acommunity here and the shout boxes are the best way to communicate with each other and if you want to have a private discussion then you use the notes it is simple and a cool way to interact.
woodhead	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 11:21 PM asleighj, Your music sucks first of all. Now this is uncalled for, Ash is a sweet heart and if you took the time to use your shout box to meet ppl then you would know this. and Ash your tunes dont suck they are cool. geez there must be full moon tonite.
gcnmarcus	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 11:26 PM milladrive, I have always stated my opinion, you make of it what you will. Maybe the service I use shoutboxes for is just an illusion, maybe they give me the control to modify it the way I want making me think I can state it as fact when it is actually an opinion. I'll have to check, boy you sure like not addressing the issue don't you. Repeating my question doesn't indicate to me that you understand it, a monkey can copy and paste. SnomaN6453, Well, my friend, in this instance DMusic isn't even letting us jump unless we pay them for a service we can get free elswhere. Now do you see it? ashleighj, If you control your page 100%, I control mine 100%, Your friends control theirs 100%, DMusic butts out, how is this a problem? And no, you don't have control over your page. Try removing a post someone makes. It is YOUR page.
milladrive	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 11:32 PM Are you related to KevBrock, by any chance?
KevBrock	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 11:41 PM "Are you related to KevBrock, by any chance?" Either that or it's someone impersonating me.
ashleighj	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 11:41 PM control, control, control! not to mention possessive! i don't need the admins to butt out, i've never seen a site of any considerable size with admins as helpful and quick to respond as the ones here. no, i suppose i don't have 100% CONTROL of my user page. i've been here almost a year and i've needed to edit someone's comments on one of my pages exactly one (1) time. and guess what? milla got it taken care of pronto. again.. i suggest trying to be more diplomatic and friendly. call it karma if you like, it's quite true that what goes around comes around.
woodhead	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 11:44 PM Either that or it's someone impersonating me. right on kev
gcnmarcus	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 11:45 PM milladrive, I thought I was the only one, you are hurting my feelings. I have seen their posts, and I think I have a different argument here. Let me try another way to voice my opinion. If we post in public forums like this, fine we are going to get attacked and we have to be willing to take it. I am all for that and I think Brock can't take it. What I am talking about is our own personal page here, there's a difference. I think we should be allowed more control on our page then we get here. I requested under help because I wanted it removed. It has now turned into me having to defend something you guys impose on your members who are under the false impression they have control over their page when it is FACT they don't. I cite the case of them being unable to delete a post in their page as an example of this. Show me where the user has control and I will gladly take a different position. I am trying to be as "diplomatic" as I can, but I feel like I am negotiating with Mao.
woodhead	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 11:47 PM :fullmoon:
MickeyBreezy	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 11:53 PM milla singed ur nutz(what up DLB) marcus
milladrive	Date: January 3, 2004 @ 11:54 PM Whaddaya know, Kev, ya made me laugh. Listen, gcn, you seem to be under some misconception. It is not YOUR page. Read the TOS. You ARE the only one who's requested/demanded that the shoutbox feature be changed. Don't twist ashleigh's words around. She never once requested that the feature be changed. As she said, the ONE time she needed help, I graciously obliged. That's one of the reasons I'm here. Go back and read the ZoneAlarm analogy again. As I've said a zillion times, if you can find someplace that gives you what you want for free, then you are more than FREE to go there. They'll have limitations, too. Maybe other limitations, and perhaps limitations that don't bother you so much. Like I've said, you have other options, and one of them is to upgrade to get full control of your shoutbox. Another is to not upgrade and accept what's given. And the final one is to go elsewhere, as you've so wonderfully offered to do.
gcnmarcus	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 12:02 AM Got that gang, now it's NOT your page.
onewhodreams	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 12:12 AM Oh my..... This is QUITE the day here at dmusic gcnmarcus - If you don't like the way things are run here by all means don't stay. If the shoutbox abilities are not going to be changed then there really isn't much more to say.
gcnmarcus	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 12:16 AM onewhodreams, Because I don't like how the controls are given in shoutboxes and journals is a reason to not stay? Is this what you are proposing?
gcnmarcus	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 12:18 AM onewhodreams, Not liking how the controls are given in shoutboxes and journals is a reason to not stay? Is this what you are proposing?
washeduponth...	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 12:20 AM "...but nah, I'll go elsewhere." it was your suggestion not hers.
gcnmarcus	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 12:31 AM washedupontheshore, I can't go elsewhere to use a shoutbox but still use this site to listen to music and post in the forums? Open your eyes folks, not everything is true when taken out of context. If you are looking for ways to attack me fallaciously, I know very well and good you will achieve it easily. If you can take the time out to think things out and present your reading skills more accurately, we may be able to get along better. Please think of this next poster. BATTER UP.....
ashleighj	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 12:36 AM gcn -- your music sucks.
gcnmarcus	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 12:40 AM Well, that's a start LOL
Slurgi	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 11:48 AM gcnmarcus, although you said that 'as an artist' i should boycott the the shoutbox... Just be aware, there are those of us who do like the shoutbox. I happen to like it, for two reasons: 1) The community aspect. People can see what others have/havent said to me, personally. 2) Shouts are on a separate page from my actually music website. Shouts are on the personal one, on which i think the majority of users like their shoutboxes. Maybe there should just be an option for it to be disabled if people dont want it? Seems simple enough to me. I'm keeping mine...
ebarbarella	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 12:05 PM damn ... Im just a musician... I dont understand your site promoting ways ... ASHLEIGHJ ROCKS !! her lyrics are awesome and her voice is unique!!! I just have one more thing to say ... I my shoutbox the way it is ... everybody feel FREE to shout on my shoutbox whatever you want (nice! ) gnc ... my compliment to you is gone...it is not on your shoutbox no more and its not in my mine no more
EvilAdam	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 12:16 PM You can't demand anything from something that you are getting for free. DMUSIC provides a service that is needed, and the important aspect is being able to put up your music in a medium that is easily available for anyone that wants to hear it. If its either all or none with you, take none. Leave if you really need it to be so. Oh wait a second... you don't have any songs up here? What are you complaining about! You are here to SPAM some other website on here? To do that thing you are complaining the shoutbox allows us to do? Cross promotion from artist to artist? How dare we! How dare we try to get as many people to listen to our music as possible! What the hell were we thinking? But you know, I should go to that website link you posted right away, since you don't even have a band listed on this website, that means you should know everything about all the functionality here. A real artist would have their stuff up on this site once knowing they could do so. A real artist likes their work to be a appreciated. I have my music up on this website and OTHER WEBSITES including tons of it being hosted at my own site at http://www.eviladam.com/music.html . Oh my god, did i just spam this message board? Wow guys, I'm sorry, I'm terrible. For that, you should never go to http://eviladam.dmusic.com and listen to any of my music, like my newest song, "Envious, Envy Us". Definitely stay away from my http://www.eviladam.com website, and DON'T download all my songs there, or read our bio, or look at our pictures or anything like that. I don't deserve that, because I just spammed... Wow, I adverted almost complete disaster there, no? Case in point: If you don't like the way something tastes, you don't eat it. If you can't stand the heat, stay the hell out of the kitchen.
gcnmarcus	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 12:26 PM Slurgi, "Shouts are on the personal one", NO I am afraid to inform you there is nothing personal about them. Try removing a post on your "personal" shoutbox which someone else made. Then when you realize you can't do this on some "personal" page, try to do the same with comments in the journal. At no point in time did I say I didn't think shoutboxes were a bad idea. The initial posts informs the reader I use shoutboxes myself on my site. The only difference between that one and the one in shoutbox, is DMusic has no control over that shoutbox. They are choosing not to close it down, unless we pay to get around that obstacle. Now do you see it? They put up an obstacle intentionally so that they can later charge to remove it when it didn't need to be there in the first place. You can go elsewhere and get a free shoutbox yourself where you do have the control. I like the fact it COULD be on the same page as a journal linked within the DMusic site, but I would want the same control as I have in the shoutbox on my site. That's all, the freedom to control the shoutbox the way I want. As an artist you are a greater asset to DMusic and I would assume mistreating you would hurt them more than mistreating me. That's why I noted your status here. ebarbarella I'll say to you too, just because I want freedom to control my shoutbox doesn't mean I don't want any shoutbox, nor does it imply you have to remove anything. It seems like you have adopted a gung ho attitude without actually grasping the inner workings. DMusic can very easily disable a shoutbox at minimum so posts aren't made. They aren't so they can intentionally charge people to upgrade for a service that isn't needed. There are many services out there which offer shoutboxes for FREE where you have the freedom to control a personal page without having to upgrade in order to receive tools to control your page. Why limit yourself at the same cost, and then support paying in order to get something you could get at a lower cost???? Explain that one to me please.
washeduponth...	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 12:41 PM youre like a broken record. if u dont like something, too fuckin bad. loser.
gcnmarcus	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 12:44 PM EvilAdam, DMusic initiated the term demand, I simply said "I like the service, but if we don't have the freedom to control our journal/shoutbox, I will go elsewhere where I do have that freedom". I went elsewhere, it wasn't a demand just like they aren't demanding I stay here and upgrade However, that is the only stance they are taking in order for whose gain? Do you the artist gain anything by me paying them for a free service I can get elsewhere? Learn to read the preivous posts before you comment. "If its either all or none with you, take none. Leave if you really need it to be so." No, it is all or nothing with them. I am using other methods for journals and shoutboxes. They are the ones saying either you accept all there is, or YOU go elsewhere. We wouldn't be having this conversation if they split the 3 up and allowed us freedom over our journals and shoutboxes. "Cross promotion from artist to artist? How dare we! How dare we try to get as many people to listen to our music as possible! What the hell were we thinking?" I don't know what that is in response to, but my response to that is stating I like cross promotion. It's a good thing as Martha Stewart once said. "But you know, I should go to that website link you posted right away, since you don't even have a band listed on this website, that means you should know everything about all the functionality here." I agree. Tell them that. "But you know, I should go to that website link you posted right away, since you don't even have a band listed on this website, that means you should know everything about all the functionality here." I don't have a band listed in what manner? I am not part of a band, I didn't use DMusic's journal to list bands? What are you getting at with that comment? Where's the point? Before we continue, it is sometimes good to think out what you want to say before typing it out, sorry for singling you out. You aren't the only one. "A real artist likes their work to be a appreciated." Yes, that is a good thing also. Off topic, but I agree. "Case in point: If you don't like the way something tastes, you don't eat it. If you can't stand the heat, stay the hell out of the kitchen." And that is supposed to what? It neither addresses the topic nor does it bring about any useful point. If I don't like the way something is done, I look for ways to improve it. You appear to prefer another solution and not suggest any improvements, not talk to others about the good ideas, bring up erroneous arguments which in the end limit you. Think about what you are saying. You are supporting a system in place which limits you when you don't need to be limited.
milladrive	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 1:54 PM "No, it is all or nothing with them." ..You consider what we've given you for free "nothing"? Remember, the active word there is "free," and I repeat, you're the ONLY person who's complained. "They are the ones saying either you accept all there is, or YOU go elsewhere." ...Those are not your only options. We put out freeware, and we're improving on it all the time, but this request of yours just doesn't happen to be on our list of things to do. Sorry. However, we do offer the option of getting it. It just happens to be part of our paid package. We're not "intentionally charging" for control of your shoutbox/journal. Believe us, it never even crossed our minds. Martha Stewart? Didn't she employ 10yo Asian children? Wasn't she charged with obstruction of justice and lying to federal investigators (among other counts)? Great person to quote. "I agree. Tell them that." ...He was being facetious. "If I don't like the way something is done, I look for ways to improve it." ..Yes, and that's good, but what I fail to see from you is acceptance when your desires are not met. You are beating a dead horse. Isn't there some other cause you'd like to fight? I mean, after all, you don't pay our bills, but you actually PAY the federal, state, and local governments with your hard-earned taxes. Wanna talk about limitations? Here's an organization that you actually PAY but are extremely limited in what you CONTROL. Talk about a lack of FREEDOM. Why don't you write your congresspeople and tell them you're not happy with the way some things are run. And make sure you neglect to acknowledge the good work they do perform that IS to your liking. "Think about what you are saying. You are supporting a system in place which limits you when you don't need to be limited." ..So are you.
KevBrock	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 2:15 PM Is this guy for real? Why complain over a shoutbox? Looking at GCN's shoutbox, it isn't all that bad. All I see is sinai using a musical emoticon. You being worked up over emoticons spammed in your shoutbox? LMAO.
gcnmarcus	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 2:36 PM milladrive, "You consider what we've given you for free "nothing"?" What have you given? You present a shoutbox/journal I can't control and offer a price in ORDER to give me that control. Anyone can get a shoutbox and even a journal for FREE without paying you a damn red cent. Now, stop thinking I can't see through that. Maybe others are sheep to your tactics, I am not. "Isn't there some other cause you'd like to fight?" I have a general cause to expose situations like this, activeworlds.com wouldn't remove displays of pornographic material found through service so I reported it to the hosting services storing said material and they closed the accounts associated with said material. I got what I wanted, but unfortunately the person/people was/were too stubborn to not just limit the access and keep their account. They wanted to argue the case and make a fight out of it. I would hate to have to see child porn links spammed in my shoutbox and not have a way to remove it. Maybe you don't mind it, I DO!!! "I fail to see from you is acceptance when your desires are not met." My desires have been met without paying you, do you desire to have my money? Change your service. As for your final diatribe, I would gladly adopt another form of paying taxes and abide under a different form of government if I found one that is better than what I already am subjected to. There is an alternative with this, I can use my own shoutbox/journal out of your hands. I have that control. KevBrock, Try to understand the premise of this, I want to be able to delete posts. At no point in time did I report a post I wanted removed. You may be conditioned to think you need to report yourself to a policeman to do what you could very well do on your own if given the proper tools. I won't be.
MickeyBreezy	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 2:42 PM i cant believe ur still rantin on this gcn even kevbrock gave up his arguement...kev
onewhodreams	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 2:47 PM YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO EDIT/DELETE YOUR SHOUTBOX :repeat: YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO EDIT/DELETE YOUR SHOUTBOX
gcnmarcus	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 2:52 PM onewhodreams, I am not an artist signed up with DMusic I am editing the shoutbox at I can delete the shoutbox at for free Now let's look at you, You are an artist signed up with DMusic You aren't editing your shoutbox at http://onewhodreams.dmusic.net/ You can't delete the shoutbox at for free You aren't convincing me to want to be controlled. Sorry.
gcnmarcus	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 2:54 PM [correction] You can't delete the shoutbox at http://onewhodreams.dmusic.net/for free Err, that's another we get for free. The inability to edit our posts.
cryo-e	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 2:56 PM
MickeyBreezy	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 3:02 PM all ur doin is sayin the same thing over n over
gcnmarcus	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 3:08 PM SnomaN6453, It wouldn't be a valid argument if I kept changing it now would it?
MickeyBreezy	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 3:24 PM no but u could try 2 prove ur point not just re-state it a billion times. u should probly also have a valid point b4 u have a valid arguement.
gcnmarcus	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 3:30 PM ok snow, I'll redirect the last arugment I made to you then. I am not an artist signed up with DMusic I am editing the shoutbox at for free I can delete the shoutbox at for free Now let's look at you, You are an artist signed up with DMusic You aren't editing your shoutbox at http://snoman6453.dmusic.net/ for free You can't delete the shoutbox at http://snoman6453.dmusic.net/ for free You aren't convincing me to want to be controlled and pay for it at the same time. Show me a counter argument where you are getting more regarding journals and shoutboxes for free, and I will gladly refrain from pointing this out "a billion times"
gcnmarcus	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 3:34 PM ok snow, I'll redirect the last arugment I made to you then. I am not an artist signed up with DMusic I am editing the shoutbox at for free I can delete the shoutbox at for free Now let's look at you, You are an artist signed up with DMusic You aren't editing your shoutbox at http://snoman6453.dmusic.net/ for free You can't delete the shoutbox at http://snoman6453.dmusic.net/ for free You aren't convincing me to want to be controlled and pay for it at the same time. Show me a counter argument where you are getting more regarding journals and shoutboxes for free, and I will gladly refrain from pointing this out "a billion times"
Cryxan	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 3:44 PM Marcus, it seems to me that you don't understand DMusic's functions too well. People here like their shoutboxes the way they are, and a feature will not be added for just one person who is demanding it. If your worry is about people posting porn links on the user page that DMusic has provided for you, rest assured that something like that is an extreme rarity. There have been a small handful of instances where blatant porn was posted publicly, and DMusic administrators took care of it. Shoutboxes are for people who want to talk to you, and they like it when you shout back. By the way, this argument has become a bit obscured with all the repetitiveness, but becoming a subscriber does not give you the ability to delete the shouts and journal comments on the userpage that DMusic has provided for you. The upgrading comment came about because DMusic also offers webhosting, and if you purchased a hosting package and built your own site, you could do anything you wanted there, including put up a shoutbox where you can delete anyone who still might want to come over and say hello to you. If the lack of control bothers you so much, why are you still here?
Gatherer	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 3:46 PM gcn, just go to your site and leave us alone....PLEASE!
gcnmarcus	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 3:59 PM Cryxan, I do understand the functions which have been addressed here, I am sure there are others which I have not yet learned as well. Whether you like being controlled or not isn't the point, the point is that anyone not just me can get that for free. Of course you won't see many people getting that option free here because it isn't available. As for the second paragraph, why should we have to find a policeman for something we could very well do ourselves? Regarding the third paragraph, you too can pay for something you can get elsewhere for free. That's not convincing me to want to join. "If the lack of control bothers you so much, why are you still here?" My shoutboxes and journals are here because DMusic refuses to remove them. The ones in use at the moment are NOT here. Do I have to stop posting here in the forums if I don't use the shoutbox and journal provided by DMusic? Gatherer, Wish you could delete my posts don't you?
Cryxan	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 4:17 PM No, that option is not available, and it won't be made available, either. Policing is rarely needed, so there's no point in giving users these delete capabilities. If you do not wish to use your journal or shoutbox... No one has commented on your journal, so you can still edit it. Delete what you wrote there and replace it with a space. After your comments here in this thread, I doubt many will want to shout to you, except maybe to aggravate you. All in all, you can opt to just use the forum and ignore the user page that DMusic has provided for you. The solutions are very simple, but you keep insisting that DMusic changes for you. This will not happen, and you need to accept that.
ashleighj	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 4:23 PM my friend said she'd give me a toaster for free. but she lives 20 miles from here and i don't wanna drive that far. so i'm just going to go to wal-mart and tell them they have to give me a free toaster since my friend is willing to. and if they don't give me what i want for free, then they're obviously trying to control me and i won't stand for it. and if after 2 days or arguing, wal-mart still refuses to give me a free toaster, then those of you who would like me to make toast for you will need to drive 20 miles to my friend's house since that's where the free toaster is. the fact that all of you have your own toasters which you are perfectly happy with is completely beside the point. don't you see that wal-mart is trying to control you? i mean, what if someone came along and put strawberry jam on your toast when you wanted grape jelly??? we should all trample down those horrible fascist greeters at wal-mart and demand our right to free toasters! none of us should have to drive 20 miles to get a free toaster which we don't have to pay for! we should be able to get free toasters at wal-mart! those anti-freedom socialists expect us to PAY for the toasters there!! when we can get free toasters elsewhere!!! i am so mad!!! and i haven't even mentioned that the free toaster my friend will give me is way better than the ones at wal-mart. it's got five freakin' settings for how brown you want your toast! in fact, until wal-mart gets better toasters that have 5 settings, i won't even take their toaster if they DO give it to me for free! i will not be shackled and controlled by their rules! who's with me?? let's fuckin' march down to wal-mart and get our free 5-setting toasters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (okay. i feel better now. )
gcnmarcus	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 4:33 PM Cryxan, "No, that option is not available, and it won't be made available, either." The option is available, look at "Policing is rarely needed, so there's no point in giving users these delete capabilities." Taking a poop is rarely needed, using the same logic should we remove all toilets? Could get quite smelly, LOL "If you do not wish to use your journal or shoutbox... No one has commented on your journal, so you can still edit it." Read the previous posts, you will see they were removed from the poster. "Delete what you wrote there and replace it with a space." That is a temporary solution, it doesn't work in the long run. "After your comments here in this thread, I doubt many will want to shout to you, except maybe to aggravate you." I am not posting to brown nose anyone. I am voicing my opinion, and I am sorry I won't post in a manner where I will aways be liked. "All in all, you can opt to just use the forum and ignore the user page that DMusic has provided for you." Yes, that is basically how it's being treated now. "The solutions are very simple, but you keep insisting that DMusic changes for you." Look at where am I insisting DMusic do anything? Where am I insisting they do anything here? I am voicing my opinion. Are they one in the same to you? "This will not happen, and you need to accept that." Look at http://gcnmarcus.dmusic.net/ then compare it to You will see I have accepted it. Look at the initial post in this thread. I accepted it way back then too. Why cloud the issue with fallacious assertions?
Cryxan	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 4:41 PM @ ash! Ok, you've accepted it. I guess I misunderstood what you intended with this thread. Perhaps its purpose is for you to listen to yourself type. Next!
Gatherer	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 4:45 PM Actually, gcn, I don't give a rat's ass about your posts, because I can choose not to read them, just like you can choose not to use your shoutbox. I wouldn't think of asking for an ability to edit out posts in the forum that I didn't like. I also won't say anything negative about your music, because I don't plan on listening. I will, however, gladly listen to Ashleigh's because she contributes to this community in a positive way. Heck, I just might post a friendly shout on her page. By the way, any chance you live with someone? I would hate to hear the long-winded arguments on who gets to control the thermostat.
gcnmarcus	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 4:46 PM ashleighj, My site is just as close to you as the DMusic site, 1 click away. You don't have to travel 20 miles. This is commonly called a straw-man fallacy. I am not an artist signed up with DMusic I am editing the shoutbox at I can delete the shoutbox at Now let's look at you, You are an artist signed up with DMusic You aren't editing your shoutbox at http://ashleighj.dmusic.net/ You can't delete the shoutbox at http://ashleighj.dmusic.net/for free You aren't convincing me to want to be controlled. Sorry.
gcnmarcus	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 4:48 PM "I will, however, gladly listen to Ashleigh's because she contributes to this community in a positive way. Heck, I just might post a friendly shout on her page." If you don't walk in line with the other sheep, you won't be accepted? "By the way, any chance you live with someone? I would hate to hear the long-winded arguments on who gets to control the thermostat." I never looked at DMusic as my roommate, I thought they were a service.
ashleighj	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 4:52 PM gcn, first of all, your toast sucks. second of all, i'm not trying to convince you to be controlled. i'm trying to convince you to stomp down to wal-mart and demand your free 5-setting toaster and stay there kicking and screaming until you get it. don't let those bastards in their suave blue vests steal your freedom!
milladrive	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 4:53 PM @ash "What have you given? You present a shoutbox/journal I can't control and offer a price in ORDER to give me that control." ..We offer a lot more. And I'm sorry you consider our free service inadequate. To each their own. "I have a general cause to expose situations like this, activeworlds.com wouldn't remove displays of pornographic material found through service so I reported it to the hosting services storing said material and they closed the accounts associated with said material." ...So, now our journal/shoutbox features are being equated with pornography? ...Ya know what, you're such a do-gooder. I'll bet the whole world now feels better because you decided to report pornography you found (no doubt seeked out) on some website. Good for you. Isn't it nice to be able to control someone else's free expression? I'll bet your head exploded when you found those pics. But... hey, why couldn't you remove those pics yourself? Why did you hafta call the police (not all police are men) to have it removed? Activeworlds could've very easily given you that control. "Change your service." ...You're funny. "I would gladly adopt another form of paying taxes and abide under a different form of government if I found one that is better than what I already am subjected to." ...This doesn't address the point. "Of course you won't see many people getting that option free here because it isn't available." ...That's correct. ...See, Cryxan, you failed to throw that word "here" into your sentence, which is what gave him the ability to dispute it with his spam. Better be more careful. "As for the second paragraph, why should we have to find a policeman for something we could very well do ourselves?" ...You can't very well do it yourself here at DMusic. ..And that's a specious argument. You CAN go take out vigilante retribution on someone who just committed a crime against you, but you don't. It's better to call a cop. "Regarding the third paragraph, you too can pay for something you can get elsewhere for free. That's not convincing me to want to join." ...Then don't join. That's your choice. "Taking a poop is rarely needed, using the same logic should we remove all toilets?" ...This is the stupidest thing you've posted yet, imo. "Wish you could delete my posts don't you?" ...Actually, some of us can, but we don't. I for one am quite tempted, tho. In fact, the next time you spam this forum with your website, I will edit the post.
KevBrock	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 5:04 PM This guy is worse than me. He doesn't seem to give up when people simply told him "No, there is no control over a shoutbox nor there won't be able to disable it". He's like a homeless bum begging for money.
TameasDust	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 5:04 PM if you conrolled your shoutbox we wouldn't be able to call you a moron 75 times a day ... but this is among the most silly things that have been going on here lately ... controlling your shoutbox is like CENSORSHIP of public opinion ... a we don't want that do we
TameasDust	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 5:06 PM oh by the by it ain't your site until you pay for it
KevBrock	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 5:07 PM There is a reason we can't delete our own shoutboxes and edit them. I think milladrive can explain it better than I can.
ashleighj	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 5:10 PM "This guy is worse than me." don't press your luck just yet......
gcnmarcus	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 5:11 PM ashleighj, straw-man fallacy again (in less words, and I thank you for that) milladrive, "So, now our journal/shoutbox features are being equated with pornography?" Pornographic material where children can be exposed to is not a feature in my book. If you want to equate it to a feature, that tells us something about you. "Isn't it nice to be able to control someone else's free expression?" I got the same crap from members in AW about this, but it wasn't be who controlled the deletion. In the end, the hosting provider agreed with me, and it was THEM that deleted the material. It wasn't just me. I never controlled anything beyond my own account/s with the hosting service. But they gave me that control, whereas DMusic doesn't. "Activeworlds could've very easily given you that control." well, you must not know much about AW. The hosting service does give me the control, AW is just like a browser in 3D form, any pic can be accessed. Again, the hosting service did give me control to remove posts. Ironically, I have recently gone back to them and that is where you see my shoutbox referenced from. "You can't very well do it yourself here at DMusic" We can, but we aren't allowed. "It's better to call a cop." Yes, in some instances I would prefer calling a cop. In this case, I don't want to go to a policeman in order to remove a post. "This is the stupidest thing you've posted yet, imo." ashleighj, 2 people now think that is faulty logic. And milla, yes it is stupid "Actually, some of us can, but we don't. I for one am quite tempted, tho. In fact, the next time you spam this forum with your website, I will edit the post." And disregard to play by your own rules tells us more about you.
TameasDust	Date: January 4, 2004 @ 5:12 PM oh in the case of freedom ... there are priviledges here ... given to all of us equally ... we enjoy them and like the features given to us ... for those of us who want more ... $$$ ... is the aim of more features ... but since you like to complain about anything that is given to you maybe you should have no features and have to pay for any feature ... now as for attacking fellow artists here .. that is a no no ... as in your opinion don't count in the long sceme of things ... they just show how much of a moron you are ...

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