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RIAA suing the dead

TameasDust	Date: February 7, 2005 @ 7:42 AM In what could be classified as its biggest cock-up yet, the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) has sued a dead woman for swapping music files. http://www.vnunet.com/news/1161042
Alecs	Date: July 18, 2005 @ 10:45 AM what's next, suing people not yet born?
mpsycho	Date: August 6, 2005 @ 1:37 PM I heard that Gertrude copped a bunch of files from 45 Grave, the Necromatix, and Screamin' Jay Hawkins.
Snoogans775	Date: August 6, 2005 @ 4:50 PM the french have balls, we have balls too, I swear!
aflunky	Date: August 22, 2005 @ 6:56 AM Yeah, fuck RIAA
Svensta	Date: August 22, 2005 @ 8:05 AM Simple paperwork when one is filing lawsuits against a bunch of IP addresses. Looks like one of her snarky grandkids flinched her credit card to order up an account from an ISP.
mattbanx	Date: August 22, 2005 @ 11:03 PM Collection agencies. What can you say...
User42	Date: March 15, 2006 @ 5:38 PM rofl! ah, stupid people in large organizations
Fraser	Date: March 15, 2006 @ 7:11 PM I love living in Canada.
K3VIN	Date: March 15, 2006 @ 7:31 PM why dont people stop sharing then... if its illegal it's illegal. I don't get the big commotion over it, you know its wrong, stop doing it, if someone wants you to download it for free, they'll have it for free.. yes this is sad.. but she shouldn't have done it, its like if she commited a crime that had a fine, and died, her kids would have to pay for it.
shadowself	Date: March 15, 2006 @ 9:09 PM I tried to make my original music available for free on WinMX, K3vin. You know what happened? The fuckers at RIAA shut WinMX down. They are directly responsible for cutting off one of the ways I share my own music. I will screw RIAA six ways to Sunday and not feel a shred of guilt about it. Although, I do pay indy artists directly for their CDs, I would not copy those.
K3VIN	Date: March 15, 2006 @ 9:15 PM Make it free on a website... they shut it down because of the other files that were being shared.
shadowself	Date: March 15, 2006 @ 9:20 PM I do make it free on a website. This one. But that's not my point. They severed one of my ways of sharing my music legally because of their greed. Fuck RIAA.
K3VIN	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 1:11 AM no.. its because of the millinos of people who do it illegally, for every 1 pperson who uses a sharing program for good, there is 100 people using it for bad. Blame it on the idiots who don't buy cd's. If they really like the songs, they should PAY for them.
shadowself	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 1:16 AM Would you have been against blank tapes in the 80s as well?
K3VIN	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 1:22 AM it's the numbers that really do it. People have been warned not to download files, they will pay for breaking the law, big corporation or not. IDK if i would be against blank tapes probably so, my family doesn't download songs they buy them. I don't see whats the big deal about not downloading, you know you aren't supposed to. SO regardless if you think it's wrong what they are doing... its still gonna happen, its like people smoking marijuana, they bitch and complain all day about i t should be legal, then get in trouble with it, thats their fault.. just cause it should/shouldn't be illegal doesnt mean shit, the law is in place.
shadowself	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 1:24 AM I discovered Kevin Gilbert through illegal file sharing. I never would have found his music otherwise, and he is now my favourite (albeit DEAD) musician. I have spent money on the CDs of his that I can find and have downloaded the rest. Fighting P2P clients is wrong and counter-productive to the music industry. There are many bands I would not have even HEARD of if it wasn't for sharing. But I know them now, and I spend money to go see their shows when I can. That's where they make the most money anyway. CD royalties = peanuts. I am not innocent. I download music, and a fair share of it. But I use P2P mostly to discover bands I have never heard of before. If the music is good enough, I like to have the original CD. But I will no longer buy RIAA CDs. They have screwed themselves - many people on this site boycott them. I love going to see a band and handing the artist $20 for their CD. That way I know most of that is profit and they are not making a buck or so from a $20 sale.
shadowself	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 1:25 AM OH AND LIKE YOU DON'T SMOKE MARIJUANA!!!!
shadowself	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 1:31 AM The band Harvey Danger has the right idea. They released their newest album for FREE over BitTorrent. You can also purchase the CD from them if you want some extra stuff. That CD has likely sold more copies than it would have if they had gone through the normal procedure. K3v, I totally see where you are coming from - but as Bob says - the times, they are a-changin'
K3VIN	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 1:38 AM i agree with that, i think downloading songs is great... if you don't like them, delete it, if you do, go support that artist. But you are not the problem, i msaying the people who download 1000's of songs,movies etc illegally, and do not support artists. See 80%+ of the downloadders do not go out and buy all the s tuff they like, why when tehy can have it free.. sure the companies make most of the artists money.. but 1% pay off of 100,000 sales is better then 0% 100,000 downloads, plus the more the artist sells the cd, the more likely the big companies will do another contract or w/e.. i think it would be great if we could try people out and buy them if we dont like them, or just delete them, but their are too many selfish people out there that will abuse the system. and thats where control is needed.
K3VIN	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 1:38 AM i download songs... but 90% of my music i have on cd.
shadowself	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 2:37 AM Control may be needed but suing the dead and suing 12 year old girls and shutting down ways of sharing music (legitimate or not) is not the way to do it. RIAA has only succeeded in getting themselves hated by music buyers, and even musicians and record labels (see article: http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=107623 - even fairly major labels are against RIAA now) RIAA should have taken a much different approach.
MinisterofSc...	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 2:54 AM Wow...I never knew all that stuff about the RIAA. Should look into it more. Anyway. I'm sidint with Shadow here. Basically, if you took away the RIAA, how much money would bands make? Less? More? A LOT less? A LOT more? I'm guessing that if the RIAA is giving them "peanuts" for a 20$ CD...then really not A LOT less. Control may not be a bad idea. But annihilation (sp?) of sites that share music from bands like Modest m ouse as well as music from people like Shadowself really isn't the way to go about making more money. The blank tape thing, was the 80's...but now we've got blank CD's and burners. If people can't file share, they can burn CDs. If they couldn't do that they'd find some other way to make artists not make as much money. Besides, I never hear Green Day complaining about holes in their shoes. Don't we have better things to complain about? Like taxes?
ShadowMom	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 8:05 AM Shadowself...you rock!! And Kevin should do more homework. Btw, Kevin...I don't care if you have your RIAA crap on CD or not. If you download it, the RIAA says it is illegal. If you put it in a shared folder, the RIAA says it is illegal. If you rip it to your own hard drive, they are now trying to say it is illegal. They would love to see you disappear. Why? Because they don't control you ... yet.
K3VIN	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 12:25 PM burningh vds takesm ore effort then downloading, do more homework, you have to relise, for all teh good things file sharing does, 1000 more things are bad... do you know what illegal things other then copyright music there are on there... very illegal videos of people dieing and crap. Not really a good thing.. there no restrictions on the program. I think you guys are blowing this out of proportion, say you hate them, but then don't disrespect the law, its the law, the government agrees, soem artists agree, if you get caught with it i have no pity, thats your problem. Every big company isin control.
shadowself	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 1:15 PM Know what else is going to be illegal? Displaying lyrics on websites. They are shutting them down already. Know what else? Tablature and chord charts for songs. Are you supporting too, K3v? It's the LAW after all, so it MUST be the right thing to do.
ShadowMom	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 1:20 PM Don't disrespect a law just because it is a law?? Yes I will. Break it? No. But it does need to be changed. Especially when it benefits corporate greed at the expense of people. Disrespect it? Hell, yes! And the people in our government who continue to kiss corporate ass, too. They don't deserve our respect.
imemine	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 1:41 PM Kevin! "the government agrees" The “Government” would like nothing more than to seize your property, your money, your self-respect and your civil liberties turning the entire world into an Orwellian Oligarchy! Wake up man! Please.
K3VIN	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 1:54 PM Capitolism... what can u do about it, its how the world works... without big corporations controlling music the industry would not be making as much money. I agree it should be legal bblah blah blah, but peo0le abuse the system, so punishment should follow.
K3VIN	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 1:54 PM greed is bootlegging a film, greed is downloading full cds... it goes both ways.
shadowself	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 1:56 PM jesus tap-dancing christ. i give up.
imemine	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 2:03 PM The music industry? Executives are making most of the money in the music industry. NOT the people making the product in most cases! I’m not a socialist by any means either so don’t go there. Government has the ability to regulate; my beef is “what” they regulate and to what extent. Executives should make a good living if they truly provide a quality service! But NOT at the expense of everyone else and in this case, the artists!
shadowself	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 2:04 PM Well, would you look at THIS! http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060124-6036.html
imemine	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 2:12 PM Yep, it’s the old “Do as I say, not as I do”! We thought that the good ole days of payola were gone too! http://news.dmusic.com/article/19710
K3VIN	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 5:28 PM like i said even if the artists get 1% of the money and the big guys get 99%, thats still better then 0% from greedy dow nloaders.
imemine	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 5:48 PM Yea, those record label executives are practically homeless! “The Financial Times reported 'Warner Music paid its top five executives more than $21m in salary and bonuses following last year's $2.6bn acquisition of the US music group by a private equity consortium.' The article points out that Edgar Bronfman Jr, the Chairman who led last year's buy-out, received a $1M salary and $5.25M bonus. Lyor Cohen, head of the US recorded music business, received $1M and $5.24M in salary and bonus, respectively. Paul Rene Albertini, head of Warner's international operations, was paid $1.25M in salary and a $3.15M bonus. Departing Warner/Chappell CEO, Les Bider, received a $2.44M total payment. These payouts include further guaranteed bonuses or change of control payments. According to documents filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, last year's total executive remuneration was more than three times higher than Warner Music's $7M operating income for the 10 months to September 30th. “ This from March of 2005. http://searchwarp.com/swa5925.htm I’m not arguing the case for or against music downloading but really man, where is the greed Kevin? I freaking give up!
Alecs	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 7:04 PM "Capitolism... what can u do about it, its how the world works..." I dunno, I think K3vin might have the right idea. Why do something when you can back down and accept what you're told do to? Having your own opinions is a terrible, TERRIBLE thing!
shadowself	Date: March 16, 2006 @ 7:17 PM I was walking down the street today whistling a Metallica song within earshot of other people, and got sued by the RIAA.
K3VIN	Date: March 17, 2006 @ 1:06 AM COPYRIGHT PEOPLE, its how this stupid fucknig world works, if you have the same name as a rich person, u cant do shit, im saying all you guys do is complain about it, but complaining doesnt do anything, i know too many people who download music illegally, and they do not buy things, the majority of the people arent doing it for the good of nethjing, they arent looking for new artists to buy, they are downloading the artists they like, both sides are greedy, the amount of free downloads that could be cost would add up to the similar amount the riaa is making... you can have ur opinion, maybe u think raping is great.. oya rape is awesome, that doesnty mean your allowed to do it, if you do it ur gonna be punished, maybe u like downloading free music, thats fine, but have illegal songs ur not supposed to, then get in trouble, ur sol, you knew it was iilegal, regardless if u think its wrong, its the same with drugs. If its wrong complaining isnt gonna do nething...
K3VIN	Date: March 17, 2006 @ 1:08 AM mind the grammar errors.
K3VIN	Date: March 17, 2006 @ 1:13 AM i agree with most points, but making forums over and over again.. will not do anything.
imemine	Date: March 17, 2006 @ 1:16 AM “all you guys do is complain about it, but complaining doesnt do anything” You’re the one complaining man! Come on man, supply us with some FACTS! Passion is a great thing and always keep it close but –YOU-NEED-FACTS- if you are ever going to have a solid debate my frind! Kevin, I love ya like a son man but please----STFU! You’re making a fool of yourself!
K3VIN	Date: March 17, 2006 @ 1:25 AM w/e... u guys skeep going on about the riaa, nothin is gonna happen. It'll get worse, and ill laugh, because you cant stop big corporations with a bunch of stupid articles and forums.
K3VIN	Date: March 17, 2006 @ 1:27 AM theres always gonna be rich people who feed off the poor!
imemine	Date: March 17, 2006 @ 1:31 AM Kids! You know man, some day you will look back and understand how little you actually knew! Not anytime soon I suspect! Go get ‘em man! HEAD FIRST!
K3VIN	Date: March 17, 2006 @ 1:38 AM I know more then u think... i see how the world actually works.. its quite simple, but not all the business and that crap, but thats fairly simple too, theres gonna be mindless people who buy things. Just know this im not stupid, i do not know how to express my words in text, and i do not look deeply into petty matters like teh riaa, its not killnig people, so i dont care. But trust me i sit around and look through the wolrd and pr obably think and acknowledge things u wouldnt even begin think about.
imemine	Date: March 17, 2006 @ 9:51 AM I didn’t say that you were stupid; I think you’re a bright kid. You see, I knew everything when I was 18 too!
thesoloer	Date: June 17, 2006 @ 12:58 PM K3 and shadowself you're both smart and you did your homework. I think that the RIAA and the MPAA shouldnt sue individual people for downloading hit music and hit songs when it's the record companies and the artists themselves who put them up on the net. If anything, they should sue the actual artist themselve for doing such an act, and it's like getting in trouble, you do one thing, then they do another, you do one more and they do another. It's called cause and effect. You upload the song, they download it. The people doing the uploading should be sued, and not the other way around.
plungerboy	Date: September 10, 2006 @ 5:41 AM If the RIAA come knocking i'm gonna blame the dog.
K3VIN	Date: September 10, 2006 @ 1:20 PM if a dude robbed stole some shit from a store.. then died after... he just gets off all the sudden??? no fck that... same thing with music
Alecs	Date: October 3, 2006 @ 12:22 PM On 10th Sep 2012, K3VIN said: if a dude robbed stole some shit from a store.. then died after... he just gets off all the sudden??? no fck that... same thing with music NO! It's not the same thing at all! Stealing is when you take something from someone and they don't have it anymore. I gauruntee you that 90% of the people out there who download music only download large bands who wouldn't benefit from a single copy of an album being sold. I buy any CD I can if I feel it will actually benefit the musician. To tell the truth, I discovered Joe Satriani from Limewire, and I've now bought 5 of his CD's. So, if anything, file sharing has made Joe Satriani money.
HalloweenBat...	Date: October 3, 2006 @ 12:27 PM the majority of people who download do not buy the cds and people lose out on hard work.... the artist regardless if he/shes making little money off of it doesnt want u sharing his/her cd... unless it benifets them
Alecs	Date: October 4, 2006 @ 12:07 PM On 3rd Oct 2012, HalloweenBattles06 said: the majority of people who download do not buy the cds and people lose out on hard work.... Musicians make next to nothing based on their record sales. The vast majority of that money gets horded by the record company. The musicians make more money on endorsements and touring than anything else.
HalloweenBat...	Date: October 4, 2006 @ 12:09 PM thats besides the point... commercial artists depend on record sales in order to continue making money and do shows.
Alecs	Date: October 4, 2006 @ 10:22 PM On 4th Oct 2012, HalloweenBattles06 said: thats besides the point... commercial artists depend on record sales in order to continue making money and do shows. Wrong! They depend on people coming to the shows to play shows. The Stones' new album was a flop, yet they played a hugely successful tour. The "commercial artists" you mention are bullshit.

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