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An Answer to the Piracy Debate

LukeSteele	Date: March 27, 2005 @ 10:45 PM I'd like your views on this idea. What is the difference between listening to the radio and requesting your fave song to be played and listening to a stream of your fave song online? CONS OF RADIO REQUESTS 1. You may wait forever to get it played. 2. The ads you have to endure. 3. It may never happen. So my idea is this: Simply get every record company with product out there to make ALL OF their product available as a stream ONLY so that folk have the pleasure and convenience to listen to what they want at a lofi or hifi standard and then if they really like that artists latest release, they go and BUY it either online or at the record store. Im not talking 30 second samples or only selected songs here. I mean the whole damn album. This takes away the criminal element of downloading and stops people getting sued and allows us all to share the joy of this digital age. Im sure radio stations will scream in horror at this suggestion as it may remove them from the food chain but so what? The majority must rule in a true democracy. Awaiting some informed opinions, thanx. Luke
BlackMage	Date: March 28, 2005 @ 6:19 AM You can record streams.
Travelsonic	Date: March 28, 2005 @ 10:56 AM HEre is another idea, but not to solve the piracy debate, but to show that "Indie" artists want fair airtime on the radio: Protest outside ClarChannel and FCC offices, create websites, fliers, etc, but be organized. Try to get media attention and public support and eventually they might snap.
imemine	Date: March 28, 2005 @ 11:09 AM Welcome to DMusic!
LukeSteele	Date: March 28, 2005 @ 8:17 PM Sure you can record streams if you want to just like you can record FM radio. My point is to take out the middle man being radio stations who control who and what gets played and to get over the whole piracy issue. Indy artists wouldnt need to protest anywhere either, because their music would automatically be added to a record companies roster! Why wouldnt a record co take on a new artist and add them to their database if it costs them nothing and they might make money from them?
Svensta	Date: March 29, 2005 @ 8:30 AM it has some merit, but honestly, there isn't much of a middleman. The recording companies already dictate to the radio stations what is to be played and how often. Record companies spend tens of millions in promotion and whatnot for each band. I don't know that they would ever think they are getting an artist 'free'. Who would request a song from a band one never heard of?
DebRoot	Date: March 29, 2005 @ 9:34 PM Hi all been really busy to come around often but still visit time to time! Anyone else heard the Metro Goldwyn Mayor (motion picture) -v- Grokster case that happened today? ""Dictate"" I think that it is not them -V- P2P I think it is P2P -V- fascism and stopping technology in its tracks. Somehow I do not see this as a case with merit. If the labels win you could be sure of (scanned google): http://www.inca.nc/images/expo/punk.jpg This is what they would say in pictures: "um we don't question or ask we just pay our gods of labels. (we get the money to pay for washing Ceo's feet)." "we been brainwashed to look this cool". "Since defeat of any freedom of information brain waste is a good thing" "Heh knowledge is thing of the past we now bow down to corporations with big pockets." This picture in my view still looks good compared to worst case.
sinai	Date: March 29, 2005 @ 9:55 PM things are fine now from where i stand... you just can't beat free.
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DebRoot	Date: March 30, 2005 @ 1:34 AM I am going to be free today maybe could write will see.
DebRoot	Date: March 30, 2005 @ 1:35 AM (to offices)
wet1	Date: March 30, 2005 @ 2:54 AM First off, none of us are on the high seas, so there aren't any pirates to be seen or heard of. It is infringers and those that write programs that allow such that is being tried. Whether secondary liablity for infringement can be ruled legal as a means of bankrupting those they deem as contributors. The problem with the copyright holders is that if they don't allow permisson to use said copyright and you do, then you are an infringer. Copyright is given as a protection for supposedly a limited time before it becomes public domain. At which time it is free for anyone to use without any sort of legal hassle. Problems with this is two fold. One is that nothing copyrighted in your lifetime will ever see public domain with current protection times as set now. The second is that almost nothing ever sees public domain. There is no penalty to prevent a copyright holder from destroying that item before the protection time runs out. Why would a business hold on too valuable storage space for something that isn't making them money? The answer to the infringement is very easy. The answer has been there all along but other issues are at stake and the copyright holders are not going to agree unless made. Their idea is that the internet is the idea place for a market. Because of file sizes, those standards in place on the net now are those desired by the industry. 128 bit is no where near the "near cd quality" it is advertised at. It is every bit as expensive as buying the songs on physical cd and without artwork, middle man expenses, nor transportation expenses in tangiable form. The answer to the end of enfringement is licensing those p2ps. It is free advertisement that they don't to pay for. Most independant studies show that far from the "stealing of money" that the p2p actually encourages the purcases of more music as it and the streaming seem to be the only places to hear new music besides net presence such as DMusic.
sinai	Date: March 30, 2005 @ 3:05 AM and of course, it's free.
sinai	Date: March 30, 2005 @ 3:28 AM also, i'm surprised noone's mentioned satelite radio, that itself is going to change the music landscape in a big way in the near future.
wet1	Date: March 30, 2005 @ 6:08 AM I don't believe that satellite radio is actually going to make that big a splash as was initially hoped for. For one thing, the commercialism of FM has led to FM being the equavilent of what AM was years ago. Same songs being played over and over as big money influances the play list. Mostly only two songs per week see airplay as being new to the list while two others drop off. When commercials are added to this mix there isn't much air time for new stuff. FM is certainly NOT the place to hear new music you might be interested in or to be exposed to it. For now, satellite radio is following in the footsteps of satellite tv. At one time other than the major media feeds it was hard to find a commercial from the dish. Now it is regular fare on programs such a "The Weather Channel" as such corporations seek extra revenue. Eventually almost all stations will turn to the same idea that it is free pickup of money. This is the same way that satellite radio will go. No commercials at first as you are paying for the service. After several years, you will be paying to hear these commercials on your dime with far less exposure to new music. Already Japanese are shipping cars without any radio at all in them. In otherwords if you want it you will have to buy the unit and then have it installed. Doesn't sound so much like they believe that satellite radio is the future or they would be in the forefront of seeing that such was standard equipment.
LukeSteele	Date: March 30, 2005 @ 8:03 AM "quote from svensta"it has some merit, but honestly, there isn't much of a middleman. The recording companies already dictate to the radio stations what is to be played and how often. Record companies spend tens of millions in promotion and whatnot for each band. I don't know that they would ever think they are getting an artist 'free'." Reply: Why are record cos paying millions to support a handful of artists anyway when we have such wonderful talents in dmusic etc who would be also listed for listening and therefore have equal chance to be bought online at least, if not made available at some record store on CD? Quote" Who would request a song from a band one never heard of?" Reply: Why would anyone bother to listen to unknown artists at dmusic? Why are you here Svensta?
Svensta	Date: March 30, 2005 @ 8:17 AM "Why are record cos paying millions to support a handful of artists anyway when we have such wonderful talents in dmusic etc who would be also listed for listening and therefore have equal chance to be bought online at least, if not made available at some record store on CD?" Because their business model helps them select the EXACT sound/make/model/look of who they choose to promote. "Why would anyone bother to listen to unknown artists at dmusic? Why are you here Svensta?" I speak in generalities because let's face it, I am NOT the use case in your problem. I have been here, happily, for over THREE YEARS now, listening. I listen to KEXP indie radio online, I listen to Live365 stations. I buy used CD's. I buy indie CD's. I am not who you should be targetting. I am speaking of the 16 year old Avril Lavigne fan. Of the multitude of pop-fans that stand outside the TRL studios in NYC every damn night and scream senselessly in the background as they talk over yet another FOTM video from another professionally tank-grown rock starlet. Why should THEY request a song that is unknown, when all the current ways for these songs to find them are barred and locked? Explain how you are going to put the name of this song into their minds so they KNOW to request it.
DebRoot	Date: March 30, 2005 @ 9:51 PM Hi all Thank you for replying I have posted a long message that took a very long time to type in! unfortunately I was not logged in firefox seems to logged me out. I had a logged in status when started. "From: DebRoot (Icons - Linking" When I hit login although in first place was logged in and stuff it said need a message to post! lost it in cyberspace. It had comments to everyone. Have to go study right now sorry about that.

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