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K3VIN	Date: April 24, 2006 @ 2:12 PM OK so its bad that RIAA is sueing people for downloading illegal music. But I got a question, how many of you bought your computer programs, cool edit, fruity loops etc?
tsand19151	Date: April 24, 2006 @ 2:58 PM I bought all of mine. Logic, Reason, Garage Band, Peak, others, and tons of video software. I paid because I wanted access to updates, upgrades, support amd most important, the owners manuals. I use to use cracked apps many years ago. Cracked apps were never stable for me.
MinisterofSc...	Date: April 24, 2006 @ 3:02 PM I couldn't afford a single thing I've ever used. Fvck no. Buying them when I HAD the money is something I'd hope all up ons. But the rolls and the jingles are all out of my pocket. So I'll keep using the stuff I can for as free as I can. What exactly are you getting at, K3?
Distilled1	Date: April 24, 2006 @ 3:13 PM paid for all of mine
kingo	Date: April 24, 2006 @ 3:18 PM The thing about that question, Kzizzle, is that it promotes a great stream of unwashed argument. Guns are drawn, attacks are made, horrible things are said, everyone cries, the entire place falls apart. Very strongly the feelings. And moreso even than that: it's all been said here, we've discussed it until our collective face is a disturbing shade of ungood. The collective solution? There is none. There are as many morally absolute answers on either side as there are morally ambiguous answers in the center. The bible don't know from software, from goods that are readily duplicatable. Jesus he made water into wine, just like that. Step into the future, Jesus, make wine but hope whoever's got a patent on the type of wine you just duplicated doesn't catch ya. That's stealing, man, plain and simple, you make wine to give these people for free when if you hadn't done that they would've had to BUY that wine from ME, down at my wine store. YOU'RE PUTTING ME OUT OF BUSINESS, jesus, and I'm going to have to start fishing.
K3VIN	Date: April 24, 2006 @ 3:26 PM I remember a forum that said who actually boguht fl, and everyone said no, and thats not nice.
shadowself	Date: April 24, 2006 @ 5:07 PM Wasn't there a myth about Jesus taking one fish and feeding everyone? This would be like copying one software CD and providing it to everyone. So next time you think about pirating software: think "what would Jesus do?", smile, nod, and copy away.
K3VIN	Date: April 24, 2006 @ 5:15 PM Jesus is nothing to me.
shadowself	Date: April 24, 2006 @ 5:24 PM You never, ever seem to get my humour.
K3VIN	Date: April 24, 2006 @ 5:25 PM i got it lol
ShadowMom	Date: April 24, 2006 @ 7:35 PM There are so many things wrong with the questions, where to start? Too bad the issue isn't cut and dried, right and wrong. It's not.
Fraser	Date: April 24, 2006 @ 11:34 PM Yah... ITs kinda pointless arguing for or against dl'ing music and/or programs. Half the people say its very very bad, and half the people say its a-ok. Both sides have good points, but also are very stubborn
K3VIN	Date: April 25, 2006 @ 10:09 AM Stealing is wrong.
kingo	Date: April 25, 2006 @ 10:19 AM who said anything about stealing?
ShadowMom	Date: April 25, 2006 @ 10:25 AM Stealing is wrong. Sharing is another story.
imemine	Date: April 25, 2006 @ 10:30 AM My mommy always said it was nice to share! And mommies are always right.
Alecs	Date: April 25, 2006 @ 1:45 PM I downloaded Audacity because it's free. I use Guitar Pro which I "techinically" obtained illegally. I borrowed my friend's disk and installed it. Other than that I haven't downloaded any software, just music and Family Guy episodes
EvilPicnic	Date: April 25, 2006 @ 2:38 PM For GCSE & A level music it's almost essential that you use a program called Sibelius for your notation. It makes things far easier than handwriting everything, looks neater, has more options, and is generally better than other programs. Most schools & colleges have it on some computers. But when you need to write compositions, tweak them until they're perfect and submit them to examiners, spending time sitting at a grotty school computer at lunchtimes doesn't appeal. It's much better to sit at home on your grotty home computer & do the work. Unfortunately Sibelius is a £400+ program. Every music student I know has a copy at home. Only one has it legally, and she got it cheaply from her family in Malaysia. I even know a couple of teachers who openly give out cracked copies to their students. I know that using cracked copies means that those who put the effort in to make the program are deprived of money which is rightfully theirs. But...
tooles	Date: April 25, 2006 @ 2:45 PM But...?
K3VIN	Date: April 25, 2006 @ 3:31 PM From what I am seeing here, idk whats worse... a company sueing people for money, or lots of people using things and not paying for it.
shadowself	Date: April 25, 2006 @ 4:00 PM I still believe that software companies could make more money than they are currently if they sold their software at 1/10 of the price. Recording software for $1000+? Sure, people will purchase it. But many will pirate it. If the same software was sold for $100, you would see a massive increase in purchases - I would bet that the increase would make up for the lower price. It's not like once the software is written it costs them a lot of money to manufacture - CDs are worth a few cents. I won't argue about piracy, as I am a fence-sitter there. But I do believe that many pieces of software are FAR too expensive.
ShadowMom	Date: April 25, 2006 @ 7:49 PM Apples and oranges anyway. The RIAA has nothing to do with software... only music. You can't compare the two. But the software manufacturers are not involved in a sue-'em-all campaign the way the RIAA is.
leflaw	Date: April 25, 2006 @ 8:36 PM Go read Richard Stallman for a month.
leflaw	Date: April 25, 2006 @ 8:37 PM K3, I notice you are not a subscriber Don't worry, we can fix that...
LiQuidMetamo...	Date: April 25, 2006 @ 10:14 PM Get the software as educational - don't pay full retail price - any student, teacher or faculty member qualifies- I work in education and hence can get cubase sx/reason/ableton live/sonar etc. for nearly half price. It is registered as an educational user but so long as I was involved in it when I bought it that's fine and the functionality is usually 100% of the retail program (Cubase SX definately is). I could get Sibelius 4 for $298.00 CDN which is about 140 pounds - Ask for it as a christmas or birthday present (or an investment for your future, dear nice parents) instead of getting an ipod etc !! There are specialist stores that sell educational products like this. In the USA/Canada there are companies like Torcom/Studica that offer this service, surely in the UK these exist too? Agree with Shadow though, the idea of bulk/volume selling seems to have completely missed the software makers and I agree piracy would be way less if prices were lower - software companies would argue they offer functional products in the 100-200 dollar range (ie sonar home, cubase se etc.) but they lack a lot of features that experienced users or musicians may need compared to the full monty and wallet busting versions like Producer 5 and SX3 etc.
MikeLirette	Date: May 13, 2006 @ 4:58 PM Hmm I didn't buy a lot of my stuff. That was before I knew it was bad to download music and stuff. Now I buy everything
GeneHilbert	Date: May 13, 2006 @ 5:17 PM Don't worry, we can fix that... LOL..... very good....
ShadowMom	Date: May 13, 2006 @ 8:26 PM MikeLirette...not a subscriber. Do you download music here? Do you pay for it? Is that wrong?
gurdonark	Date: May 15, 2006 @ 6:36 AM I never used cracked software. I am pleased, though, that so many programs are freeware nowadays. I support voluntary creation of open source software, through donating to people who support it, but I don't believe in self-help as to proprietary software to circumvent license fees.
K3VIN	Date: May 15, 2006 @ 10:24 AM Adminleflaw Date: April 25, 2006 @ 8:37 PM K3, I notice you are not a subscriber Don't worry, we can fix that... yes BUT... it is the sites choice to offer a free service... i am not hacking for a free subscription.. i am not abusing the system.. i have one music account. I was considering suscribing... but how is a 16 year old suppsoed to pay when i dotn have pay pal or credit card.. and what difference will it make when i am incapable of taking advantage of the services just yet.

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