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there's no new decent music to create sales

robvalentine	Date: May 26, 2003 @ 12:22 PM look at the charts, (at least the uk charts)the biggest band recently is a pair of fake lesbians from russia. no wonder sales are falling, perhaps they could invest in artists with staying power, as opposed to disposable fodder like tatu, westlife, spice girls etc.
JaggedAlibi	Date: May 26, 2003 @ 1:00 PM I think the industry doesnt like staying power anymore. They want something that requires minimal investment that brings a quick huge return. Like tatu.
Jagwac	Date: May 26, 2003 @ 1:45 PM The labels need to keep releasing something to keep the money coming in. Thus you get those 1 hit wonders. Or...a better term as was previously said, "disposable fodder"." id="47210">From what I have seen, there is an ebb and flow in the industry. It's something like every 2 years that the "big name" artists release a new CD. The music from those CD's will last about a year. The labels need to keep releasing something to keep the money coming in. Thus you get those 1 hit wonders. Or...a better term as was previously said, "disposable fodder".
JaggedAlibi	Date: May 26, 2003 @ 1:55 PM The funny thing is at least in my genre of music I see bands being picked up left and right by labels because they need revenue and the more bands they have the greater their chances are of creating revenue. Or at least it seems that way. So perhpas the industry's financial desperation is actually HELPING bands. Then again I could be a complete idiot.
Jagwac	Date: May 26, 2003 @ 2:44 PM Well, there is no real assurance that an artist that a label picks up is going to make them money. Yes, I would think that the industy's finacial situation does help bands. Does it help to make good music with staying power is another thing though. It's a fickle industry. One day you are on top of the world, the next...
JaggedAlibi	Date: May 26, 2003 @ 2:54 PM You are quite right. Just because they pick them up doesnt mean they will keep them for more than a few months. Although it does give bands a chance. I mean if you get picked up at least your music is getting a chance to be heard. Sometimes I wish the whole industry would disappear and let dmusic and sites like it take over.
Jagwac	Date: May 26, 2003 @ 3:02 PM True. While it is up to the bands to make good music, it is also up to the label putting the money out to promote the band. Doesnt really matter if a band has been picked up by a label. What matters really is if the label is going to support the band. This is where I get annoyed. Some really decent music out there and the labels promote the hell outta things like Tatu. When things like that happen, it makes me think the music isnt as important as image these days. Which is sad really.
JaggedAlibi	Date: May 26, 2003 @ 3:28 PM I wholeheartedly agree.
ronnie71	Date: May 26, 2003 @ 6:23 PM its never been about the music... there is a proven formula the more money the better the artist chances i mean if we had Creed's marketing budget we be a sucess. I think it was five million dollars on thier first album and thats just for promotion on the radio old saying:money talks,bullshit runs a marathon
milladrive	Date: May 26, 2003 @ 6:44 PM http://www.negativland.com/albini.html :noriaa:" id="47242">The sad reality of it is that only an extremely small percentage of those artists "lucky" enuff to be signed to a major label ever see a profit. http://www.negativland.com/albini.html
JaggedAlibi	Date: May 26, 2003 @ 7:16 PM hell I'd be satidfied with making enough to eat and have a beer here and there. Hopefully pipe dreams can come true
VampireMoon1369	Date: May 27, 2003 @ 11:10 AM Dont tell my wife tatu is fake, theyve done a lot for my sex life :P" id="47387">Seems if the artist doesnt get rich and huge the label (who gets even richer then the artist) isnt interested. Thats the problem with greed, when doing well isnt enough but only being a "giant" will do. Im with Jagged Alibi, I just wanna make enough to quit my day job and not get shut off notices every other month. Dont tell my wife tatu is fake, theyve done a lot for my sex life
Funksaw	Date: May 27, 2003 @ 1:03 PM -- Funky. " id="47394">Unfortunately, there's really no way to do that with music. Your choices are part-timing on a minor label or self-distribution, OR full-timing on a major label. Either one will net you about $4000/yr... The era of the "rich rockstar" has passed. You ever notice that the 70's bands on Behind the Music, despite having as many problems (or more problems) than 80's bands, usually end up richer, better, touring longer? -- Funky.
JaggedAlibi	Date: May 28, 2003 @ 2:06 AM You left out an option. Full timing on a minor label. My day currently is my band although I'm currently living off my savings. All 5 members of the band put in about 10-16 hours a day promoting, doing office work, website stuff, etc etc. We may never make a dime but it won't be because we didnt try. Not sure where you got the 4000.00 equation either. I can point out quite a few bands that have made a living on a minor label.
Acumen	Date: May 28, 2003 @ 9:11 AM What Tatu is now is what the return of swing music and the "latin" invasion a few years back. I honestly don't get why people get in the music industry to promote Mombo #5. What were they thinking? " id="47425">well, it's not like they just started promoting bad music since P2P got big... bad music has existed before then. The difference is if a person "sortof" likes it though, he/she doesn't have to buy it now. What Tatu is now is what the return of swing music and the "latin" invasion a few years back. I honestly don't get why people get in the music industry to promote Mombo #5. What were they thinking?
Rodrica	Date: May 30, 2003 @ 2:55 PM Wassup with these record companies? Always wailing about falling cd sales/lost profits! So why don't they stop cloning their existing mistakes (did I say mistakes? I meant artists) and break away from that highly processed formula of theirs? Their production lines look very tired compared with the range of inspirational stuff here at dmusic. Looks like they've lost their nerve as well as their profits.
victorsskull	Date: June 2, 2003 @ 12:04 AM you tell um rodrica get out that can of woop ass
Rodrica	Date: June 2, 2003 @ 3:11 PM Nearly fell off my box there Vic! Reckon I need to chill out!
invocati	Date: June 2, 2003 @ 8:23 PM I heard this before and the record companies should stop wining and do this...Invest more in the technology that they say is putting them out of business. Cdr's, cdr players, computer programs,computers themselves, computor hardware, and anything having to do with the internet music market.
invocati	Date: June 2, 2003 @ 8:27 PM More and Should start are the keywords in my last thread!!!!
Acumen	Date: June 4, 2003 @ 11:13 AM what i don't get is how lars ulrich is so anal about P2P and saying it's killing sales, while his band's music keeps getting more mediocre every album... which may be the reason why his sales are down. and they (record labels) act as if some of their acts are going to win them some kind of championship in music... signing Mariah Carey to a redicilous contract which it cost the label money to get her out of. Instead of investing their money on up and coming artists that whose music actual matters to people, they put ALL of it in her when everyone was tired of her... that's pop music for you. one day your hot, another people had enough of you and look for someone else. p2p is not the problem. if rosen wants the executives to get the money she needs to understand p2p instead of forcing shit down people's throats. while i respect copyright issues and artist royalties... the riaa needs to back off. their methods aren't right and needs to be change
unoblee	Date: June 10, 2003 @ 7:21 PM I live in a land full of chariokee singers and cover bands. It could drive one to writing original matterial. Now if I could somehow get them noticed...
yeshu2k	Date: July 1, 2003 @ 1:37 PM Well me thinks it's this. The simpler the band the easier to produce and stick out on the market. They have another ulterior motive and that is to programme the masses puny little minds to trust in the lust of the flesh that they peddal in other products. Like clothes that make little girls want to look like slutts like Brittney. Selling Coke and of course the beer companies are the one's that put the money behind major concerts, them and cigarrette companies,(I know I spelled that wrong, so sue me. The point is to dull the minds of the masses by creating repetitive music that breeds mindless drones. Don't give them creative music because that breeds creative thought. The only way they can continue to sell you their brand name crap is to make your mind numb to reality that those Nike's that you spent 150 bucks on this month will only cost you 29.95 at Big5 sporting goods 3 months from now and be in the 19.95 in another 6. The purpose is to dull the senses, steal the industry, kill the creativity and then destroy your soul. Moooohuuhahahaaaaa. (tee hee, I love doing that)
Expose	Date: July 1, 2003 @ 1:51 PM It's good so long as you're brainwashed to think it's good. Do you really think 50 cent would be good in suppose, the 70s? He would've been laughed at. Then they came in w/ the "gangsta" rep and now drug addict bums b!tching became popular.
TameasDust	Date: July 1, 2003 @ 4:17 PM Lots of good music on here. Now if i only could find it in the stores. I so far out in the woods i have to come out to hunt bear.
Etheracide	Date: July 1, 2003 @ 7:34 PM I will admit that I listen occasinally to T.A.T.U. and other one-hit-wonder artists but their music, nor themselves inspire me or have created a personal connection with me. I picked up COLD's second album and will get Finger Eleven's new album as soon as I can get to a store (damn my car without a working engine). Those bands DO have a personal connection with me! They inspire me. They move me without me even having to think about it. They stay with me forever. Of course I've listened to both of them before they were signed and getting signed just made them more accessible. And of course their two new CD's have DVD's with them which you more-than-likely wouldn't get with an independent release. But in the long run...just because a band is on a major label, does it mean that you will like them? Not necessarily. Just because they are on a major label, does it mean that they are any good. Not always. And just because they are on a major label, does that mean that they will still be around the following year? Quite often not. And just because a band isn't on a label, does that make them bad? Hell no. I know of some great bands that were kicked from their labels because they wanted to change to a style that THEY want. And the companies didn't like that. And there are excellent bands here at DMusic. I hope them the best and that someone that can afford to give them the opportunities they deserve will come along and pick them up and actually allow them to make the music that they make best and love themselves. PS. TameasDust...I think that that icon nearly looks like the cover of SAMAEL's album Eternal. Ahh I like the album so I just thought that I'd mention it hah
TameasDust	Date: July 1, 2003 @ 8:25 PM tx Etheracide
letmein	Date: July 4, 2003 @ 3:10 AM this generation is an embarassment. the one hit wonder was created by the mindless, the non musical talent and the lazy fucking ass pricks out there. You created the one hit wonder, You did, you top 40 sucking assholes!! Why the fuck would anyone listen to the radio anyway? It sucks! there is nothing there, unless you are 11 years old!! And now for the know it all college educated parents. You are giving your fucking brats the money to create these commie music industry Jew fucks!! You have to be the dummest fucks of all!! Shit, at least Europe and Japan still support Metal bands, and not the shit LA metal bands either. Musicians that actually practice music like a real musicians!! It seems Americans have always been the music uneducated. Give them a fucking freak with a spot light on him and a 3 chord vocabulary and walla!! you got yourself a star. You should jump off a fucking cliff you musically uneducated ass holes. Thanks for chasing good music away.. Now I have to deal with this RIAA bullshit.. Dumbasses!!
GeneHilbert	Date: July 8, 2003 @ 1:48 PM We all love the creation of audible art - that's why we're here. It is this thing that UNITES US. There is good music here on DMUSIC. I've heard it. SO.... the solution is - as I see it. If you like someone's music on DMUSIC, or some other indie you've found - BUY their CD. "SUPPORT THEM" - that is the only way they know their appreciated - and it will motivate and support them to continue to do what they do - MUSIC. Plus - it keeps the money away from "THE MACHINE". We SINK or SWIM - TOGETHER. Keep Writing - Keep Singing, Keep Playing. Keep the Faith. " id="53066">Talk about WOOP-ASS....... WHEW....... letmein - fuckin-aye. Let's face it - being the best at anything has never guaranteed success. Most of the successful artist have/had a huge marketing campaign and budget. I was involved in this very conversation last night. You can sell cat shit to a garbage collector - if you sales pitch is right. I don't buy bubble gum - but the target audience does. The RIAA is "THE MACHINE" - and until there's an indie equivalent - to compete directly - it will remain the status quo. We will all have to it on our own - or group together in organizations like DMUSIC. There is good music around - but "THE MACHINE" is only interested in spoon feeding us the bullshit it markets and the artist it can feed upon. We all love the creation of audible art - that's why we're here. It is this thing that UNITES US. There is good music here on DMUSIC. I've heard it. SO.... the solution is - as I see it. If you like someone's music on DMUSIC, or some other indie you've found - BUY their CD. "SUPPORT THEM" - that is the only way they know their appreciated - and it will motivate and support them to continue to do what they do - MUSIC. Plus - it keeps the money away from "THE MACHINE". We SINK or SWIM - TOGETHER. Keep Writing - Keep Singing, Keep Playing. Keep the Faith.
Thewhythouse	Date: July 8, 2003 @ 4:20 PM i would have to dis agree...check out our track 'Hold Tight'
TameasDust	Date: July 9, 2003 @ 4:57 PM i really wish the radio stations down here would get some new music ... it is so bad you dont need a watch to know what time it is all you have to do is turn on the radio and listen to what song is playing. :headbang: as for new quality music from what i have heard on here there is a lot of talent out there! keep up the good work!
TameasDust	Date: July 9, 2003 @ 4:58 PM that should be
Karmatic	Date: July 18, 2003 @ 11:01 AM Just watch the South Park episode "Chef Aid". That sums it up pretty well -- "I'm above the law!"
Karmatic	Date: July 18, 2003 @ 11:01 AM But we need REAL bands. Not these "one-hit wonders".

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