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RIAA "studies"

alcoholicskunk	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 8:28 PM Yes we've heard all the studies about how major record sales have dropped whatever percent in the last whatever years, and that's blamed on the file sharing(which I'm sooooo sure has nothing to do with the recession or the fact that cds go up a dollar a year), But has the riaa(or anyone else for that matter), takin' a look at stuff like concert turn outs, or merchandis sales(other than cds). I can't speak for everyone but I can think of at least 20 bands that I went, paid to see, maybe bought a shirt, where if I didn't download "illeagally" I wouldn't have heard them, I wouldnt' have gone to see them, and they'd get no money from me anyway. Yes, Yes I'm really stealing from the artists.
blooddshedd	Date: July 26, 2003 @ 8:32 PM good point.... I'm more likely to see you in concert than buy your cd outright. Then if you impress me in person I might buy the cd. So it all works out for the artists in the long run
TheReason	Date: July 27, 2003 @ 12:28 AM exactly...im into to rap and how am i suppose to hear freestyles by "Main" artist..and how am i suppose to hear the disses they don't sell those on cds...yes there mixtapes but they dont sell mixtapes in stores...so how am i suppose to get that if they take my file sharing away!!!!!!!!
starseven	Date: August 7, 2003 @ 6:20 PM you dont need to look at any studies.. just look at it this way... how many times have you,or one of your friends, wanted a cd that's coming out... but instead of buying it. you just download it.... you just stole money from the artists... stop foccosing on the RIAA for a second.. and realise.. that no matter which way you look at it.. or try to dance around it... you are slealing from a fellow artist... and that is wrong.. end of story.... yeah the RIAA might be going a little overboard by sueing people with MP3's on their computer... but i am sure if you walked into walkmart and stole the cd.. in stead of going online and stealing it.. you;d go to jail
Expose	Date: August 7, 2003 @ 6:32 PM I didn't take any of their money, so it's not stealing. MP3s aren't even the same as the original CD. It's a lossy copy. So it's not the same.
Expose	Date: August 7, 2003 @ 6:33 PM Going into walmart and taking the CD, would actually be stealing it. Online, is different. It's NOT the CD. You can't download a cordless phone or a TV or an orange now can you?
starseven	Date: August 7, 2003 @ 7:18 PM no.. but what if you could dl those things?.. for free... would you still go to the store and buythem.. or would you download them?... ..yes, mp3's are lossy compression... but the point is.. most people that would have bought the better quality cd the cd which the label has invested hundreds of thousands of dollars..now instead of buying the cd .. they just go download it for free... so that money is now taken way from the artists... you might not be stealing the actuall media(cd)... but considerin that whiel the artists may only get 2-3 dollars per cd .. if they are REALLY lucky... but them not having sales... the label probably wont reniew their contract....and if they do.. they wont put nearly as much into,or pay them nearly as much... because you stole al lthe return....wheather you think it;s right or wrong... you cant deny it;s theft
Expose	Date: August 7, 2003 @ 7:25 PM Ok, now for the kicker. Ok, when I was little, I remember taping a pokemon cartoon, on Saturday morning. Well, that tape is available in the store, and I didn't get it, since I taped it for free(I have an antenna for TV, not cable or satelite, so it's FREE). WELL WHATDAYA KNOW, I JUST STOLE IT DIDN'T I? This is the SAME DAMN THING!!! Think about it! The same can be done with movies too. If you could do this for free, how could it be something sold? A member of the Dave Mathews band was on Charlie Rose some time ago as I read in an article, he asked him what he thought of napster. You know what he said? He RELEASED some of his albums ON napster when they came out, in MP3s. He said he has so much money, and when he sees artists calling it stealing he wants to puke since they're already VERY rich, and that it's just the evolution of technology. I didn't steal it unless I took money from them; which, I didn't do. People brainwashed to this black and white way of thinking is irritating.
Karmatic	Date: August 7, 2003 @ 9:14 PM Kick ass, DMB just earned that much more respect.
wlfhcommishjava	Date: August 8, 2003 @ 1:58 AM using a logo for a fan site is technically stealing but you don't see prosports blowing a nut over it.
alcoholicskunk	Date: August 8, 2003 @ 7:24 PM starseven, I'm sorry I don't think I made myself clearer before... You're right it is stealing, however for people with crappy financial cituations(such as myself), simply can not offord to go out and buy this music. True I'm sure there are people out there that can buy all the music they want, and it won't break them. I am not one of those people. So when I download something off kazaa or whatever, the artist gets nothing from pre-recorded sales.... if I dont' dl something off kazaa(unless it's 1 or 5 bands which I buy there cds anyway), the artist still gets nothing. However, if I discover a good artist on kazaa.... I may drown my woa's and go see them, where if I didnt'.. I'd just stay home and masterbate to animal porn. Name one artist that would have a problem with that. And yes I will go further than the riaa and say this about all record companies. The only reason record companies exists.. is because 100 years ago, it was not practical for a single artist to record, produce, market and distribute there own stuff. TOday it is.. So I'm not saying fuck the record labels, or fuck the riaa, I'm saying they are no longer needed. And in my opinion... if anyone's number one reason for being involved in music is making money and not for the love of music, they have no buisness with music... at all! I hope they die and soemone finds their cum-stained-bloddy corpse on the side of a highway somewhere. Sorry for that emotionally charged respone... I just got my car towed this week and found out I might get charged for litter... in front of my own place.
starseven	Date: August 8, 2003 @ 8:26 PM you make a very good argument... i am just simply playign devils advocate for a second... and pointing out that yes.. the RIAA is doign a lot of fucked up things..peopele shoudl still be mindfull of the artists.. it;s not bands like DMB that are hurt , as much as it is the new artists... who has not made a ton of money.. and is still not really esablished themselvs in the industry....those are th eones being hurt...but again.. you pose a good argument.. and it;s good to be able to have these debates .. i think it opens everyone involved up to knew ideas

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