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Go here to argue about file sharing on John Kerry's site.

Cantido	Date: March 4, 2004 @ 11:03 PM http://forum.johnkerry.com Right now, me, Gothic Angel, and others at Boycott RIAA are going to this site and carefully explaining to John Kerry and his supporters the problems of copyright law. There is some jackass user named Downloaders_hurt_artists who constantly trolls and yells at us, calling us selfish thieves. He may even be working for the RIAA! Were working very hard to make sure this joker does not get the last word in. Go here and fight for your rights! George Bush wants to crack down on P2P, so its up to Kerry to do the opposite! But he recently said some pro-RIAA stuff. This has us worried. Come on in and join the fun! Be careful what you say! Boycott's best editor, Codewarrior, got banned from that site because he posted his entire article on how he was mad at Kerry's statements. DO NOT USE LINKS TO POLITICAL SITES! Be prepared to know your stuff and argue in your own words. And this is very important. If a user PMs you asking for MP3s, suggest Kazaa and escape the converation. THEY MAY BE WORKING FOR THE RIAA. They may try to catch you for sharing major label stuff. The folks at Boycott would appreciate all of your help. Especially the Indie artists, youre arguments will be the strongest!
pog	Date: March 5, 2004 @ 12:56 AM you are a monopolising bastard for dragging us into you argument, but .... okay I'll check it out, but I can't promise anything
Cantido	Date: March 5, 2004 @ 7:31 AM Oh you KNOW you wanna join the fun and tell that RIAA troll off.^_~
pog	Date: March 5, 2004 @ 5:08 PM okay, so I went to the thread and went to put my 10c in... registered, went to reply, and it said something in the effect of.... you're not allowed to post on this thread as you don't have permission. what a big pile of annoying timewasting !
pog	Date: March 5, 2004 @ 6:54 PM oh wait... 2 hours later my account was approved posted
Cantido	Date: March 6, 2004 @ 1:58 AM Yeah, it takes a while. It took the great Codewarrior a few days to get in. The biggest problem is the RIAA troll hounding the forums, trying to flood the discussion with RIAA rhetoric and flames. Whatever he says, rebuttal. Thats the best thing you can do.
sinai	Date: March 6, 2004 @ 6:14 AM instead of juss arguing in a forum...can't we just stop buying records and continue downloading until they go broke? or, failing that, just kill a couple of people?
Cantido	Date: March 6, 2004 @ 9:49 AM Getting others to be aware of something other than what MTV tells them is pretty damn important. Kerry said some pro RIAA stuff, but Bush is about to DO some pro RIAA stuff. What if Kerry were to take the other side of the issue? And if not, at least others got to hear our side of the story. That thread is up to 3000+ but that asshole "Downloading Hurts Artists" is ruing the thread fast. I think he works for the RIAA. Judging by the way he argues, I'd say its Hillary Rosen himself! MWAHAHA!
Svensta	Date: March 6, 2004 @ 10:11 AM I vote for Sighnighs first idea. Bankruptcy is the surest indication you need to change your business model.
Cantido	Date: March 6, 2004 @ 10:35 AM By doing this we can convince a few more that the RIAA is a bunch of zombie nazis. Wont that lead to a few more in the boycott? P2P is naturally a facinating topic, and that thread is up to 3000+ views. Thats a good thing.
sinai	Date: March 6, 2004 @ 2:48 PM i'll get to it after i finish downloading these albumns
TameasDust	Date: March 6, 2004 @ 7:00 PM buy only Indie music download the rest
Gothic-Angel	Date: March 6, 2004 @ 10:29 PM Over 4000 reads on the Kerry boards RIAA thread. This dude Downloading Hurts Artists now claims that he is an independent artists that is so good he doesn't have to give his music out for free. That is a direct slap in the face to every artist here on DMusic. With the new Outreach Action Call we're going to have trolls like this all the time. Putting this cretin in his place is a good blood letting.
Svensta	Date: March 6, 2004 @ 11:40 PM I've spent over 1500 on Independent artists since I started my boycott. That's money the RIAA coulda made. fires up nameless p2p application
sinai	Date: March 7, 2004 @ 12:54 AM so is that a no on killing acoupla people?
pog	Date: March 7, 2004 @ 1:35 AM errm... who's the person that's flaming ??? are you referring to the comments of Calif. Dreamr ?
pog	Date: March 7, 2004 @ 3:45 AM I see your point now.... a little back up here !!!
Cantido	Date: March 7, 2004 @ 10:32 AM you kill on your own time, boyo.
Cantido	Date: March 7, 2004 @ 11:52 AM The troll is Downloading_hurts_artists. His name used to be Downloaders_are_theives, but was forced to change it because it was a slur. Now his name is a lie. He's claiming he's an Indie artist. Get in there and make him cry.
Gothic-Angel	Date: March 7, 2004 @ 3:26 PM Volume 2 has been started.
pog	Date: March 7, 2004 @ 5:51 PM I guess I did kinda let the wrecking ball out... how many thread are there regarding this topic... just the one in civil rights ?
pog	Date: March 7, 2004 @ 5:54 PM oh wait... the threads in other...
pog	Date: March 7, 2004 @ 6:33 PM ...let the re-neducating commence
Cantido	Date: March 7, 2004 @ 11:21 PM But what kind of rock is the pillows? My friend called them Nerd Rock, someone else called them Power Pop. (But they say the pillows are good.) I wanna play like them because I want to bring that energetic sound to the States. And contribute to the war against the Big 5 in the greatest way.
Cantido	Date: March 7, 2004 @ 11:22 PM Gaaah! Wrong thread!
IronRaven	Date: March 9, 2004 @ 12:02 AM snorts Good luck. Bush, Kerry, not a lot of difference. They are both rich men who tell the people what they want to hear one day in four. The other 75% of the time, they only time they even look at the people is when they wipe off thier shoes. They aren't listening, becuase we can't afford to buy thier ears. The RIAA, on the other hand, has undoubtedly found one way or another to have money go into thier coffers. Kerry and Bush have the same goal in mind: gather as much personal power as possible. And part of that is controlling what people think and hear and say and do. And the RIAA has the money needed to help determine that. Keep the fight up, that's all I can say. Flood your congress critters' mail boxes with real, physical mail. Buy your music away from the big 5, or if you must, second hand. Borrow CDs from your friends and neighbors. Go to concerts and buy disks there, where the labels don't get squat, while actually giving money to the artists. Fighting the RIAA with it's weapons of choice won't amount to a single thing. Fight them with the weapons that will hurt them. Most people never fight opression, and never will, becuase the status quo is good enough. So it us to be the wolves who will not be broken into lapdogs. But don't fight stupid, fight smart.
Gothic-Angel	Date: March 9, 2004 @ 1:20 AM I think we won our fight on the Kerry site. I haven't seen a post from you-know-who in over 24 hours. I think I pissed him off by not answering his rhetoric anymore. I just pitched a massively long rant and hopefully I won't get banned like CodeWarrior or censored like Undeath. But I'm going to be posting mainly on the Copyright reform thread for now on. The RIAA thread is yours guys, tear 'em up.
pog	Date: March 9, 2004 @ 7:03 AM I'm thinking out aloud here.... you prolly shouldn't have told them what software you were using to block riaa, it could give them more of a heads up on how to bust the crapola outta you next time you log in (or other users, even)
OrryBreaker	Date: March 9, 2004 @ 4:51 PM I am really active in polotics, I treat each side with respect and listen to both side, and I know that Bush nor Kerry will opposed RIAA. Why. Because RIAA has alot of money and they will donate money to both parties to opposed p2p. You may not like what I say but it is the truth, And I don't like it too. They will used both hard and soft cash to get a under the table deal. It is called logrolling. If I can remember the term right.
Gothic-Angel	Date: March 9, 2004 @ 11:53 PM The point isn't so much to sway Kerry as it is to get other people over here and to Boycott as well as DownhillBattle and the EFF site. If we get just one more person active then it was worth it. Hopefully we got more, who knows, somebody want to start a poll?
Gothic-Angel	Date: March 10, 2004 @ 12:18 AM Remember, when posting about our sites and issues on other pages to not FLAME, even a rotten dirty troll like DHA. If this dude was as right as he thinks he is he would go to Boycott and post, I'd give him 5 seconds before he was ripped a new one.
figfarmer	Date: March 10, 2004 @ 1:15 AM I find that site just too confrontational and not a nice place to debate.
Gothic-Angel	Date: March 11, 2004 @ 12:32 AM There have been a lot of new threads started at the Kerry site today that have to deal with issues that we address. Everything from Corporate Crime to Endowment for the Arts. Just thought I would let everybody here know.
Gothic-Angel	Date: March 15, 2004 @ 11:02 PM There is now a new RIAA thread at the Kerry site. Let's go post and make it a hot topic. http://forum.johnkerry.com/index.php?showforum=11 Remember bring facts, not flames. Can't let this thread get deleted or locked down.
sinai	Date: March 16, 2004 @ 2:16 AM i say we juss kill acoupla folks and blame it all on the green people
Gothic-Angel	Date: March 16, 2004 @ 4:49 PM That little punk Downloading_Hurts_Artists has attacked gdZiemann again. This is twice this little bitch has attacked George.
blubat	Date: March 18, 2004 @ 1:20 PM im copying sinai and getting rid of an ugly N/A!
krag3r	Date: March 19, 2004 @ 3:26 AM You guys have to remember, that nothing comes for free, not in the long term. Im all for p2p file sharing, but if i like what i have downloaded, i will buy it. However, leeches and sponges on p2p, downloading 40 gig a month, and just collecting, dwelling in their mothers basements, are ruining it for the rest of us. We should be boycotting them...
OrryBreaker	Date: March 22, 2004 @ 6:50 PM there will allways be those people but there still going to be the people who go to the consert and buy the music. I am trying to start going to locol bands playing at bars, and when I get broadband internet I going to get all the locol bands that I like and put them up to be donwload on p2p. p2p should be about exploring new bands not getting things for free.
pog	Date: March 23, 2004 @ 3:31 AM Orry, What a refreshing comment !!!
Pagan	Date: March 23, 2004 @ 3:07 PM I will always vote for killing a bunch of people.is there a site for that?
sinai	Date: March 23, 2004 @ 3:58 PM i however am all for getting things for free, call it stealing, i downloaded an illegal version of Kazaa, used it to download over 1200 .mp3's, nearly every music creation program i have, several videos and movies, Microsoft -fill in the name here with any program on my desktop- , and dozens of photos. call me a leach that new linkin park?!? that'll be 19.95 please or if you give me 2 dollars i'll tell you it aint worth 5
hackeroftoday	Date: March 27, 2004 @ 2:21 AM All i have to say is that the RIAA is some bull shit. These fuckers call them selfs muscians there not musicans there gready fuck heads. I am a muscian i dont make any money for my music and I dont care because I love music, These so called artist are just pissed that there not makeing as much money as they were befor but they still continue to make millions on concert tickets and merchindise. I hope those gready fucks read this, so if your part of the RIAA and you are reading this Fuck you, you gready peices of shit!
Gothic-Angel	Date: March 28, 2004 @ 9:58 PM Go to the Kerry site and make your voice known. Just be careful though, they tend to frown on the word "fuck" over there.
Gothic-Angel	Date: March 30, 2004 @ 2:19 AM There is a new thread at the Kerry forum discussing these new bullshit laws that have been proposed and the buying of our legislators. Head on over, read and post. We need someone with a good grasp of the law.
pog	Date: March 30, 2004 @ 3:17 AM "Just be careful though, they tend to frown on the word "fuck" over there." I went there for a while and put my in, but then I realised it doesn't really directly apply to me (yet) in
Gothic-Angel	Date: April 2, 2004 @ 2:08 AM Your posts were appreciated pog. Now that the IFPI bitches are on their rampage your input is needed even more.
pog	Date: April 2, 2004 @ 5:54 AM you havn't told us the name of the thread ... I can't be bothered hanging around on the page looking for it.. thread forum name and topic ???
Gothic-Angel	Date: April 2, 2004 @ 6:45 AM Sorry, it's in Other Issues and there is one named "Just when you thought it was safe to let Senate make laws" and one called "HR 3920" and don't forget our old "RIAA and draconian IP laws" they are all in Other Issues.
pog	Date: April 2, 2004 @ 8:05 AM well, I commented on one thread, but the other stuff just looks like possible things that are gonna get thrown out before they get anywhere. i mean overthrowing the supreme courts decisions... looks like that bill was prepared by a complete smartass... btw... I couldn't link to the resource page that you mentioned cos my peer guardian blocked em... I wonder why the Library of Congress, Information Technology Services would be on a blocklist.
pog	Date: April 2, 2004 @ 8:07 AM of course I was being facetious with that last comment....
Gothic-Angel	Date: April 9, 2004 @ 2:20 PM The battle on the Kerry front has taken a sour note for me. I will now also be posting on http://www.bushcountry.org/
Gothic-Angel	Date: April 12, 2004 @ 8:41 PM The jackass in the original post for this thread is now active on the Bush Country Forums under the name Kill Downloaders. http://aimoo.com/forum/freeboard.cfm?id=355166&NoCaches=Yes
Gothic-Angel	Date: April 12, 2004 @ 9:41 PM The jackass in the original post for this thread is now active on the Bush Country Forums under the name Kill Downloaders. http://aimoo.com/forum/freeboard.cfm?id=355166&NoCaches=Yes
Gothic-Angel	Date: April 13, 2004 @ 1:12 AM Meant Downloading_Hurts_Artists (aka Downloaders_Are_Thieves, aka Kill_Downloaders), that's the jackass. Didn't mean Cantido.
Cantido	Date: April 14, 2004 @ 11:42 AM Yup, I'm one of the good guys.
Gothic-Angel	Date: April 17, 2004 @ 1:30 AM hehehe...DHA may not agree with you on that one, Cantido.
AgentSquishy	Date: May 8, 2004 @ 12:17 PM Kerry's an asshole. He's a pro-abortion hippy freak. And what's more, his forum doesn't work. I can't validate!
sinai	Date: May 9, 2004 @ 12:17 AM damn shame, you seem the high brow educated type...
ronnie71	Date: May 10, 2004 @ 4:32 AM at sinai
kenlinder	Date: May 28, 2004 @ 5:28 AM Yes, the RIAA will dontate freely to all sides to get their way, and they will get their way unless one thing happens. They can control the producation and distribution to a large extent, but only as long as musicians cooperate with being screwed. So to the musicans of the world, I say "pretend you are Ronnie Regan lookand Nancy Regan in her nighty" and "just say 'NO !!!!' ". Do not cooperate. The industry has no product with no musicians. I think that the indy lables (who give better deals anyway) should get together with the musicians union and draft a standard minimum union contract. If the big boys refuse to cooperate then they go out of business and the small labels become big. Back in the 1980s this is almost exaclty what happened in the "Scree Actors Guild". The actors were getting crappy deals, and eventually went on strike - all the actors from the big names down to the extras. Everyone from the sound crew to the maid service went on strike with the "Scree Actors Guild" and they held out until the got a decent deal. They forced a livable wage out of the studios. It can be done. It worked.
kenlinder	Date: May 28, 2004 @ 6:58 AM entire article on how he was mad at Kerry's statements. It is a really bad sign of the "trustworthyness" of a politician and their "public forum", when those who disagree coherently get banned for speakiing well. I have to wonder what Codewarrior said and how.
HammerofJustice	Date: May 28, 2004 @ 1:43 PM That is why I decided not to vote for Kerry. You make an excellent point, where is all the artist dissent in all this. They say two or three things about it, but apparently that is all they say, imo this has to start with us, you want changes then boycott them, dont buy their music its as simple as that.
Azimov	Date: May 29, 2004 @ 5:29 PM As a british person im woried that all will happen to your country is that is principals of liberty will be lost because of politions sideing with companies and not their people. Whats the point in a plebicite if the plebs can only vote for two people thats not a choice. In britain we have facist and evil biggots like th BNP (British nationalist party) but atleast this gives everyone a voice not just the companies.
sinai	Date: May 29, 2004 @ 10:58 PM we just need more hippies
dicktruth	Date: May 30, 2004 @ 5:17 AM "In britain we have facist and evil biggots like th BNP (British nationalist party)" I feel physically sick whenever I see one of their boradcasts. For god's sake... who would want to say the things they say? They are basically the British version of national socialism.
camtarn	Date: August 21, 2004 @ 8:16 PM The scary thing is that the BNP exist because people support them. There are a lot of sick bigots out there. As for the comment about .au - it won't last for long. Both the EU and Australia are starting to adopt US-style DMCA-a-like laws, and already in the UK we're seeing a lot of "copyright education" - massive "PIRACY FUNDS TERRORISM" campaigns in the cinemas and so on.
djeffectz	Date: August 21, 2004 @ 10:12 PM I believe that no matter which candidate gets the election the RIAA will still have them wrapped around their little finger either way. Piracy Funds Terrorism.. oh brother.. they have stooped to a whole new level. I know what piracy doesn't fund though: large company pockets.
wet1	Date: August 23, 2004 @ 2:40 AM What the RIAA is fight for (on behalf of the majors) is their existance. All music companies are facing the same thing. At on time they cooked up a new format, repressed all the music in that new format. If you wanted it you had to rebuy it. The cd never faced the "sky is falling" routine that tapeing did. It was thought at the time of the cd coming to market that it would never reach the realm of the user to be able to make a cd on their own. Because we the public have been empowered to be able to make a cd of our own choice, how we want it and not how the majors put it out, the sky has fallen as far as the majors are concerned. The other thing that makes this a fight for survival is that everyone and their bother now uses the internet. Because of this, the market to be heard is no longer locked up. Many artists have discovered that they can make their own music, make their own cds, manage their own sales, and promote their own music without the help of the majors. Why sign a contract that gives the majors a license to steal from the artist for the rest of that artists life and then from their childrens lives? With this has come the dawning realization that the majors aren't needed to distribute music. This past year I have heard the figures of 70, 80, and 90% of music is controlled by the majors. The reason for this vague info is that they really don't want to put actual figures out. It helps hide what they wish to do. I suspect that if the truth were known, that present day musicans are far less likely to sign a contract and more likely to do it on their own. This is come of the reasons why they are so intent to close the use of the internet, the use of p2p, and the protection of their copywrites. To put it simply, they are dieing and fighting for their lives...