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Jennae	Date: February 11, 2003 @ 5:33 PM dmusic.com has and is doing a great service for many various artist here.:biggrin: They offer us artist pages,:nod: unlimited uploads of our music,:nod: free downloads of other great music,:nod: not to mention access to one of the best online communities!:nod::grouphug: Needless to say, we are all fortunate enough to have free access to all this splendor!:nod: Well, during an conversation I had with an MP3.com musician, he brought up how soon dmusic will be forced to charge for services, and limit their uploads for someone is footing a bill somewhere for all of us, and how we won't be able to remain free forever.:shock: :oops: "Wow" I thought.:cry2: :skeptical:Yeah this all does cost money, and with a growing number of musicians coming to dmusic everyday, it must be hard to manage space for all of us, especially seeing that we are offered unlimited uploading... that is unheard of anymore...:nod: (cough cough..MP3.com):oops: Anyways~ I personlly think dmusic has been a wonderful experience and an assistance for me as a musician. They allowing me to get free publicity and recognition as I see it. Not to mention the palethera of great information we have access too amoungst our colleges. My point is this(finally) I think that we should come together as musicians and assist dm in a profit making product. Something that can help dm create revenue so that they can still offer their great service for free. Thus being, a dmusic COMPILATION CD. If there are artist, willing to submit a song or two, together we can create a CD that dmusic can sell in efforts to keep this place free! If enough artist submit songs, well then we could even have a couple of CD's to offer. It's a case of one hand rubbing the other. Besides,:skeptical: who can't part with _A_ song:confused: Now mind you, just because you offer a song, it does not necessarily mean that yours will be selected, for the quality will be vital for this production. If anyone is with me on this Back me up here, because I think it's time to show appreciation.:nod: Any serious inquiries please note me! But definitely a show of hands here for whether or not peeps think this is a good idea. :gawk: :peace: " id="33177">I know I am probably posting this under the wrong subject, but Milla=P needs something to do! Anywho~ I was wondering... dmusic.com has and is doing a great service for many various artist here. They offer us artist pages, unlimited uploads of our music, free downloads of other great music, not to mention access to one of the best online communities! Needless to say, we are all fortunate enough to have free access to all this splendor! Well, during an conversation I had with an MP3.com musician, he brought up how soon dmusic will be forced to charge for services, and limit their uploads for someone is footing a bill somewhere for all of us, and how we won't be able to remain free forever. "Wow" I thought. Yeah this all does cost money, and with a growing number of musicians coming to dmusic everyday, it must be hard to manage space for all of us, especially seeing that we are offered unlimited uploading... that is unheard of anymore... (cough cough..MP3.com) Anyways~ I personlly think dmusic has been a wonderful experience and an assistance for me as a musician. They allowing me to get free publicity and recognition as I see it. Not to mention the palethera of great information we have access too amoungst our colleges. My point is this(finally) I think that we should come together as musicians and assist dm in a profit making product. Something that can help dm create revenue so that they can still offer their great service for free. Thus being, a dmusic COMPILATION CD. If there are artist, willing to submit a song or two, together we can create a CD that dmusic can sell in efforts to keep this place free! If enough artist submit songs, well then we could even have a couple of CD's to offer. It's a case of one hand rubbing the other. Besides, who can't part with _A_ song Now mind you, just because you offer a song, it does not necessarily mean that yours will be selected, for the quality will be vital for this production. If anyone is with me on this Back me up here, because I think it's time to show appreciation. Any serious inquiries please note me! But definitely a show of hands here for whether or not peeps think this is a good idea.
Alleagenz	Date: February 11, 2003 @ 5:42 PM I have some tunes Jen, no problem here.
TranceAction	Date: February 11, 2003 @ 5:51 PM Count me in. Very nice initiative here. T.A.
victorsskull	Date: February 11, 2003 @ 5:53 PM I have lots of songs but I dought they would use any
milladrive	Date: February 11, 2003 @ 6:22 PM Jen, you consistently make me smile with your intuitive and supportive ideas. It's so great to have you here.
Expose	Date: February 11, 2003 @ 6:28 PM I'd buy it probably, with conditions. If it's anywhere near the RIAA prices, no way If it's 128k MP3 converted into a WAV then sold, definately no way If it isn't those two things, then killer idea!
Frawgster	Date: February 11, 2003 @ 6:32 PM You know what. That's the best idea I've ever seen on DM. Seriously.
Alleagenz	Date: February 11, 2003 @ 6:45 PM Yep all recorded in wav, then it would have to be mastered in a studio, costly unless theres enough artists to throw in, great idea though, let see if it could work.
Expose	Date: February 11, 2003 @ 6:54 PM Well, they don't HAVE to be WAVs, transferring those around would be a bitch. Maybe something lossless like FLAC, so when you decode it it's the exact same thing, usually 20-30MB smaller. I doubt we'd see something like this though
Alleagenz	Date: February 11, 2003 @ 7:14 PM Its is tough because that word production comes into it, each track has to be a minter.
Quadrixx	Date: February 11, 2003 @ 7:40 PM Superb , count me in !!! (not that my music 'll do for the cd , but i'll buy one for sure) Great initiative
Jennae	Date: February 11, 2003 @ 7:44 PM Yes there is major production that has to happen here for sure... not to even mention the many other issues as far as making something like this happen. I am hoping though, that through our many various talents, skills and capabilities, somehow we can unite together in our efforts to make this happen. I would like to add that any musician Noting me about being a participant, also include a list of 3 songs that you would like to have considered. Again, yes this is a premature idea, but any and all assistance as far as making this a possible reality would be highly appreciated.
Quadrixx	Date: February 11, 2003 @ 8:18 PM http://www.dmusic.com/forum/general/2763#3 8)" id="33196">Maybe is Trostlos interested in helping with the production ... Offering free mastering of songs to get experience sounds good , NO ? check it out y'erself http://www.dmusic.com/forum/general/2763#3
Quadrixx	Date: February 11, 2003 @ 8:23 PM By the way , if its gonna be a CD (or more ) , it needs a cover right ?? I'd like to offer myself as a volunteer to do some graphics (then at least i didn't went to graphic school for not'n)
jkate	Date: February 11, 2003 @ 8:25 PM I hear that leflaw bloke is pretty handy as Mastering Masterers go Jennae, I think that's an awesome idea. I don't have much to contribute except snappy comments here and there, and the wrinkles to prove I have put out 2 compilation CDs already (lol) for musicians so I can tell you this: 1. Submissions have to be regulated and somehow only the best can make it in. Otherwise nobody buys a pressed turd. 2. You have to dangle a carrot in front of leflaw or another equally outstanding Mastering Masterererer of the Known Universe who will polish that CD so well that RIAA reps everywhere will think it's one of theirs until they notice NONE of the profits are lining their bank accounts. And Trostlos is a freakin' gem.
mtbatol	Date: February 11, 2003 @ 11:04 PM Due to the diverse genre makeup of this site one could be used for each genre me thinks. Yeah that would work I gather... hmmm... in that case.... **works on a rap joint juuuuust in case
ChillinBuzz	Date: February 11, 2003 @ 11:40 PM - say, multi genred albums and genre compilations? :bouncy: " id="33218">well, it seems a great idea Jen it certainly could generate revenue, but the money and the quality are the keys as pointed out, amongst other things like "do i actually LIKE the music on it?" - say, multi genred albums and genre compilations?
starseven	Date: February 11, 2003 @ 11:49 PM hmm.....sound slike a good idea to me.. i would love to include some of my music... but since it is no loger available on dmusic.. i am guessing that counts me out
RasMasta	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 12:18 AM But if we were to go through with this, it'd have to be big. To be able to make enough money for it. Also it'd be a cool idea to have a rock version and a hip hop version of DMusic Collection. :) " id="33222">It's a good idea. It would probably be like a soundtrack or the "Now Music" type albums because of all the different styles. But if we were to go through with this, it'd have to be big. To be able to make enough money for it. Also it'd be a cool idea to have a rock version and a hip hop version of DMusic Collection.
creativetim	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 1:20 AM We could have an infomercial close to that of the Time Life commercials where they sell the best of the 80's and crap! And I can act like a really bad actor, so count me in!!
TranceAction	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 2:11 AM mp3.com. Gonna u/l them tonight, so you can get an impression of my art skills. As for what genre the first CD should represent, we could try to agree to make a greatest hit kind of thingie, so as many genres is represented as possible. Well - this was just my :2cents: T.A." id="33228">Hi all, Yes there are big issues to be solved: Production, Distribution, Mastering, Information, Artwork, Pressing ect. ect. But as Jennae puts so nicely: Let's try to join forces and make it happen. Let's show the big labels RIAA, KODA (Danish RIAA) and others, that a free music site IS in fact capable_of_making_money based on free music for all. I wouldn't mind to come up with some cover ideas. I have created some for my CD's for sale at mp3.com. Gonna u/l them tonight, so you can get an impression of my art skills. As for what genre the first CD should represent, we could try to agree to make a greatest hit kind of thingie, so as many genres is represented as possible. Well - this was just my T.A.
RyanS	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 2:30 AM This is something I asked a while ago, but no one said anything about.. But Jennae put it much better words than I ever could I for one would buy it. Would definatly be a great way to help support this site, along with it's artists. I would actually prefer a MP3 CD. Although it's not the best quality, it will be enough for cranking it in my car. And the fact of having some of my favorite DMusic artists, for nearly 10 hours?? For genres, you could just put a little bit of everything in there, and put them in sub directories. Of course a two or more disc set would be even better
Jennae	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 2:37 AM anyone got a towel? Ryan just drooled all over my keyboard!
RyanS	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 2:59 AM sorry 'bout that Don't have any towels, but I do have some
johnnygnote	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 6:26 AM YeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaH!!!!!
Quadrixx	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 6:45 AM ??? ( i dont got the gem. -part)" id="33247">What du u mean by saying : Trostlos is "a freakin' gem." ??? ( i dont got the gem. -part)
thumbtack	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 11:03 AM Some intersting ideas, here's more food for thought: 1) Should it be cross genre or individual genre's? 2) MP3 (which cna include a bunch of files) probably something around 200 or so give or take depending on file size OR as a standard CD file which would probably be 10-15 tracks maximum...
Jennae	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 11:04 AM Yeah I myself am a bit on the Trostlos too... But then again... maybe I should peep the link. Yes TA~ I am no Jedi master on how to make this work, but we all should be able to figure it out! People with information should come fourth for sure! And as far as the CD artwork. I think that is great that you are willing to offer assistance in this area QUAD and TA. Way ahead of things for me though. Got much else to figure out before I get even close to there. But feel free to work on the idea. I also think anyone interested in creating a design should create it and then we need to find a way to post the designs so that we can have a dm vote on what we all think is best. As far as music~ So far I have: Alleagenz Victorsskull Trance Action Quadrixx that have submited a list of songs for peeping as prospects. I will need assistance with listening to these tracks and getting feed back on what people think is suitable Quality. I would like to get a list of songs together to then give to the admin for their opinions. Anyone got some time on their hands to help out here? And also~ 4 people are hardly enough so remember NOTE ME As far as generes seperated or together for the compilation. I think that can be sorted after we figure our how many artist are going to involve themselves. Obviously the more the better, but I think either or is fine. If we ave enough of the seperate generes then hell we can have one for each, but as for now, we are still trying to accumilate enough for one. So come on peeps... let's get a groove on!
victorsskull	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 11:30 AM there will be more once they read the thread, just give it a little time=D
Jennae	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 11:57 AM http://jennae.dmusic.net/playlists dm CD compilation Please come and vote on these songs. Remember that we are representing dm here, so NO buddy votes!! I will be adding more songs as they come to me. And I will only add songs that are sent to me in NOTE. (please list 3-5 of your best) In order to have your song admitted you must have your song on dm. So please no outside links. " id="33260">UPDATE: There is a playlist added to my page: http://jennae.dmusic.net/playlists dm CD compilation Please come and vote on these songs. Remember that we are representing dm here, so NO buddy votes!! I will be adding more songs as they come to me. And I will only add songs that are sent to me in NOTE. (please list 3-5 of your best) In order to have your song admitted you must have your song on dm. So please no outside links.
jkate	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 12:09 PM Well Jennae if we can get a comp together (you and me) I'd be thrilled to submit Anyway Quad - "Gem" is a compliment. It was really nice of Trostlos to offer to master songs He has reviewed artists on my site too, he's a good guy
Jennae	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 12:40 PM Thanks for the submitted songs ELU!
Jennae	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 1:08 PM UPDATE: Seeing that you cannot vote on the playlist I have added. Until we figure something better out. Please note me in private about your comments about the songs in question. Much appreciations. And I can already say that Musicians, this could work out to your benefit. I am already wanting CD's of these individual artist. WOW!!
SoulBeats	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 1:21 PM Cool idea, but I have one question. Why the music should be in data form? You can't listen it on a regular stereo then.
rapidhopeloss	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 1:28 PM Sounds cool,not that i'd make it onto the CD. But if it got sold in this corner of England, i'd give it a look!
Jennae	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 3:16 PM Mik~ your songs have been submitted thanks!
Alleagenz	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 3:34 PM Ah well with me removing my trax and not being able to reupload then thats me out until it does work
Expose	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 3:37 PM Thumbtack, no need for an MP3 CD. MP3 just is not good enough for a professionally made CD, at least 256k or LAME --alt preset extreme, so it won't sound like crap if DJs or anyone wants to play them. And mik, it's not hard; you decode it. To make it easier to transfer the WAVs to each other, just use FLAC(lossless) to send them to each other, then decode them to WAVs, so they'll be the exact same as the original, and from there it's easy. Make it a 4-6 cd thing if you have to.
leflaw	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 3:45 PM I listened to the Mp3.com Mp3 cd from 1999 and it sounded pretty good." id="33292">I'm thinking about starting off with an mp3cd, because we can make them up fast, and possibly a CD/mp3 files (mp3 quality bumped up to 16 bit WAV and playable in a car CD paleyr. We can do a "real" wav Cd (playable on cd players) later, soince we will need to get the wav files from each artists to do it. I say we push mp3, but make them sound good ( master them well). I listened to the Mp3.com Mp3 cd from 1999 and it sounded pretty good.
Expose	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 3:49 PM Use this. Use --alt preset extreme. That'll sound good, or even better, wait for the official LAME 3.94 to come out, so it'll sound a LOT better. How many songs are we talkin' about here? It depends, the less songs the more we can bump up the quality :nod: Also, that's why I was talkin' about FLAC, make the WAV into a FLAC, it'll be half the size. The artist decodes them, and it'll be the same. They're abiut 10MB-20MB each, and it's lossless(meaning it'll be the exact same as the WAV when you decode it). How do you plan to master them? :)) " id="33293">Use this. Use --alt preset extreme. That'll sound good, or even better, wait for the official LAME 3.94 to come out, so it'll sound a LOT better. How many songs are we talkin' about here? It depends, the less songs the more we can bump up the quality Also, that's why I was talkin' about FLAC, make the WAV into a FLAC, it'll be half the size. The artist decodes them, and it'll be the same. They're abiut 10MB-20MB each, and it's lossless(meaning it'll be the exact same as the WAV when you decode it). How do you plan to master them?
Jennae	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 3:50 PM I don't think anyone needs to worry about reconverting their music or changing anything just yet people. We will figure out the exact way we are going to have the music files soon, but at this time, that has yet to be determained. So until further notice no one worry about the extra work. You will be notified at a later time as to what will be required. But this topic is up for discussion so what are the opinions of the people? Anything? What do you all think is the best way to execute the CD sound? Where is leflaw when you need him
Jennae	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 3:51 PM Whoa there he is being sneaky in between post!
leflaw	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 5:15 PM other options: ogg vorbis 192k or 256k mp3 ps: I use wavelab (steinberg) or t-racks for mastering.
RasMasta	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 5:20 PM I'll work on a DMusic anthem for the intro with another hip hop artist... Or I was thinking of getting audio of everyone saying DMusic and pointing them together for the intro.
Expose	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 5:23 PM BTW: MPC is the most advanced format for Hifi and Audiophile needs. Said by some of the developers of LAME MP3. If you will be encoding it to WAV files from the compressed MP3, Ogg Vorbis, or MPC files, I don't see a need to use a "popular" codec." id="33300">Well, how are we going to go about transferring the files? Also, who will be making the CD image, for DM? What will the price be? The simple questions must be answered before jumping to the bigger stuff. -------------------- How about MPC xtreme bitrate(around 200k, VBR)? Ogg Vorbis is really not a smart choice above 128k, above around 160k, MP3 is a better choice. MPC was the only codec not to completely **** up on the c44 test sample. For higher bitrates(above 128k), MPC is dubbed the best codec at the time. At 200k, it beats out by FAR 320k MP3. Use VBR, CBR is a waste. If the song needs 320k, it uses that, if it'll be good with 128k, it uses that. BTW: MPC is the most advanced format for Hifi and Audiophile needs. Said by some of the developers of LAME MP3. If you will be encoding it to WAV files from the compressed MP3, Ogg Vorbis, or MPC files, I don't see a need to use a "popular" codec.
Expose	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 5:24 PM Also, how many songs? We need to get some of the artists involved here.
Expose	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 5:27 PM P.S. All the audio quality consideration I'm doing, is since if I can get my hands on this CD, I know a few DJs that'd like the new music, and usually average compressed stuff sounds like SHIT on those huge speaker systems they have.
RasMasta	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 5:40 PM Why don't you record it all in 192 and send it to an e-mail address? I mean seriously it will sound CDQ. And shouldn't have any problems. Songs that are 320 in bitrate usually don't play on some players.
Expose	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 5:44 PM Note: At a given bitrate range, the quality scale usually works to where VBR is higher quality than ABR which is higher quality than CBR (CBR Wai Wait Wai a sec, I thought we were making them into WAVs and making them to CDs? Most people won't buy it IN mp3, since most speaker systems don't support it. :( " id="33308">Yes, just that I sampled G-tonic's music to a DJ, and he really liked it. Here is a chance to have something from him on CD, and he doesn't need it to sound like crap .(listen to it, if that isn't party music, what is? ) Use VBR at 256k, if you choose MP3, it'll sound pretty good. For VBR, I have this, again from some MP3 developers Note: At a given bitrate range, the quality scale usually works to where VBR is higher quality than ABR which is higher quality than CBR (CBR Wai Wait Wai a sec, I thought we were making them into WAVs and making them to CDs? Most people won't buy it IN mp3, since most speaker systems don't support it.
RasMasta	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 7:13 PM Price range...5.99 sounds good to me lol
leflaw	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 7:50 PM I say 7.99 + the good ole' shippin and handlin
leflaw	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 7:50 PM Who will be in charge of selecting songs and contacting artists?
Expose	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 8:03 PM It shouldn't be $7.00, for a few reasons. It's not studio quality, just do it yourself at home, and MP3... and with the shipping and handling it'd near the price of an RIAA CD! I say $4.50 sounds fair
jkate	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 8:20 PM Leflaw, would DMusic consider putting any cdExtra on there, like maybe some snips from the FMC 03 pahtay, a short music video made by a DMusic-er who perhaps isn't a musician so much as an ar-TEEST, or maybe just a short flash animation...? Maybe we can get victorskull's source to make those fighting skeletons be the RIAA vs DMUSIC...and DMUSIC kicks their butts!! I know that a multimedia CD for 7.99 + SH is quite attractive. Plus it would be great teasers for the FMC03 full length you have for sale!
RasMasta	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 8:26 PM DMusic.com site. And Leflaw should be in charge of the production, but it'd be cool to have the songs selected similiar to DMusic Picks. " id="33324">A multimedia CD may be a bit hard to do...but it'd be cool if you accessed the multimedia portion of the CD it took you to special areas within the DMusic.com site. And Leflaw should be in charge of the production, but it'd be cool to have the songs selected similiar to DMusic Picks.
leflaw	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 8:26 PM Great Idea!!! Although, knowing somewhat of the production costs involved, I'd boost the price a bit in order to provide a royalty to the artists.
Expose	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 8:31 PM Well, how do we go about transferring it? Also, could we offer an MP3 CD in addition to a normal CD?
Expose	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 8:34 PM How many songs are we going to put onto it also?
RasMasta	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 8:40 PM Put enough songs that are worth the purchase...18 sounds good to me
Jennae	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 8:48 PM leflaw ...I'd boost the price a bit in order to provide a royalty to the artists. Not that that's a bad idea, but I wanted the musicians to donate a song for this CD. I personally would like to see at least _one_ CD's revenues go to totally supporting the dmusic web site. Reguardless of the price I hardly doubt it will bring in a fortune. So can I vote for total profit to go towards dmusic in efforts to sustain this already great site? I would rather see the price not get boosted and be more affordable, than to have a boosted price to cover the artist royalty. Just my personal opinion. I thought the following artist had already understood that and were willing to agree to this? Or is there a legality the prevents this? Ok I guess I asked for submitted songs and not donated ones... maybe I was confusing.
RasMasta	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 9:00 PM If I submitted anything for the album I wouldn't want any money from it. I'm giving back to what you gave me. My service for free, for your free service you have given me.
Jennae	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 9:02 PM I think at the very least admin should fall responsible for selecting tracks for the DMCCD. Just my opinion. That or other musicians should vote that are not submitting songs. And I thought $7.99 +s&h sounded more than fair to me. I mean come on peeps. There is better music here than most of those stores selling their crap at 21.99 and you want to complain about 7.99?? pffft! You can't even get analog tapes hardly for that, and I know that whatever comes out of here is going to surpass that quality. I say 7.99 at least! And even if you wanted to purchase a CD, and let's for shits and giggles just say it was 15.00... you mean you wouldn't spend 15.00 on dm?? I would. Be one of the better $15 bucks I've spent... well aside from that case of Grolsch beer I bought.
Jennae	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 9:03 PM THANK YOU RAS!! someone hears me.
RasMasta	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 10:18 PM Yea but I doubt anyone gonna spend 15 on DMusic if they don't know what it is lol How much is shipping and handling? 3.95?
Jennae	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 10:21 PM well the $15 was theoretical per say...
Expose	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 10:25 PM Also, I think this needs to be a few CDs. There are thousands of artists here, we can't limit it 20 songs. " id="33357">Actually, tapes surpass a certain degree of MP3, it depends really. If the transfer is to hard, just UPS the WAV files on a CD... And $7.50, I'd settle for(only if it was WAV files). If I want to encode it into MPC or Ogg Vorbis, or do whatever the **** I want with them, I can't if the original is a 192k MP3. That plain sucks. I'd buy it so I can get better quality, yet paying $8.00 for what I can do exactly myself, no way, I deserve at least the WAVs for that price Quality doesn't seem to be a prob to anyone, which is a letdown, and of course I'm the crazy one for being the only one who cares probably And GrooveTonic's "the arrival" had better be on it. Also, I think this needs to be a few CDs. There are thousands of artists here, we can't limit it 20 songs.
Jennae	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 10:32 PM I have only heard from (ahem) 5 artist so far(ahem) where are you guys?? I mean come one it's been over 24 hours already... doesn't everyone live here?
Jennae	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 10:33 PM on! on! come on I mean...
victorsskull	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 10:34 PM hhmmmmm dont know what to say. give a hola in the shout box maybe five to 100 times a day lol
Jennae	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 10:45 PM Thasp quality _is_ and issue, but I myself get lost in your words. I know little about all the technicalities of how I do and what I do as far as recording and sound goes, but just because I personally can't understand you all the time, doesn't mean I don't care....just a bit confused at times. but wtf is Use VBR at 256k, if you choose MP3... ... For VBR,...some MP3 developers ... given bitrate range, the VBR is higher quality than ABR ... ..quality than CBR (CBR Sometimes us old folks who aren't so computer savy get a bit lost. But I do try. c3po and r2d2... (insert old person emoticon here)
Expose	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 10:50 PM MP3 is in bitrates, right? Like 128k, 192k, 256k, and the higher the bitrate, the better it sounds, yet the bigger the file is. VBR, uses a different bitrate on each part of the song, so when it needs good quality, it'll use 256k-320k, and when it doesn't, it'll use 128k-192k. Plus, if this will be an MP3 CD, why only 15 songs? Pack over 100 on there. And I also would like to know where the hell the rest of DM is
Jennae	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 11:04 PM hear that...yeah where is DM? and thanks for the info Thasp but...VBR is ____ bit rate?? and ABR??_____ bit rate how is ABR differ from the interchangable VBR... sorry
RasMasta	Date: February 12, 2003 @ 11:59 PM Doesn't high quality wav's take more space and would limit the amount of songs even more?
GrooveTonic	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 12:18 AM I'll offer to do a track if needed is there a theme or genre for this cd or will any style do?
RasMasta	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 1:06 AM RIAA Killer Album That's a good name
azhazhellfire	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 1:07 AM i would like to take the honour of shooting ras for his last comment.
azhazhellfire	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 1:07 AM i meant his second to last comment. dual post.
RasMasta	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 1:12 AM lol it was a joke man...geeze lol
RasMasta	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 1:13 AM ohhh second to last comment ok..lol I've just seen Wav files that were liek 40MB's and were like only 5 minute songs.
azhazhellfire	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 1:17 AM but thasp mentioned an mp3 cd. and if we didn't have a not-mp3-cd then we wouldn't be able to have anything but high quality wav's. unless you wanna lose your hearing.
RyanS	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 2:54 AM Although a full quality CD would be really nice, I don't think this would be the right thing to do for now. You'll only be able to throw roughly 15 tracks on the disc. Although having quality MP3s for the disc would be nice, I don't really think everyone that will get chosen to be on the CD are going to re-encode their song. Would be nice, although Far as what's on the CD, I'd rather be surprised
Maffmatix	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 3:44 AM WHo gives a flying turkey's nuts what quality it is? I'd buy an old tape that was pissed on if it had a bunch of cool independant music on it like I've seen on this site. Stop yur bitchin and make/buy the cd. Hoes and bitches. yes.
azhazhellfire	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 3:56 AM thasp" id="33392">DislocatedBoner, i'd like you to meet my good friend thasp
RasMasta	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 4:15 AM DislocatedBoner...that's you who would buy crappy quality. We are trying to appeal to a large demographic to gain an audience to hear us.
Maffmatix	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 4:17 AM I doubt it's only me brutha. And I was being slightly sarcastic, although I still don't think we should worry about quality as much as everyone above has been. Lunacy.
Maffmatix	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 4:17 AM And azhazhelllaskld whatever your name is, I'd like you to say what you mean.
TranceAction	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 5:18 AM Otherwise I think we're gonna loose the overview here - fast. Just my :2cents: Personally I'm not in for the :2cents: here. I'm doing this for DMusic, because they deserve it. Nothing less! :grouphug: to DM T.A." id="33397">What we need is to divide this project into tasks. Then we need some people to commit them to those tasks. 1st task consist of 2 minor tasks: 1) is for artists to donate some songs to this project. This is ongoing as we speak. 2) Find out who is applicable to be featured on the CD. 2nd task is to decide the format and if possible genre. This discussion is ongoing. 3rd task is production, which consists of 5 minor tasks: 1) Mastering the songs 2) Artwork 3) Burning 4) Distribution 5) Pricesetting 4th task is approval of the prototype. Get it home and blow it out of ones motherf*cker speakers Now - may I suggest, that each task is created as 1 thread in a "new" room, where ppl can commit themselves to whatever task, they feel they can contribute with some expertise ? Otherwise I think we're gonna loose the overview here - fast. Just my Personally I'm not in for the here. I'm doing this for DMusic, because they deserve it. Nothing less! to DM T.A.
RasMasta	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 5:39 AM good outline of how we should do things TA
milladrive	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 9:08 AM suggest each genre gets at least one volume. ...and perhaps there can be a "sampler" album too, with a coupla tracks from each "Volume 1."
jkate	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 9:16 AM it's a symbiotic approach to helping to support the artists BY helping to support DMusic. I think a 12-14 song CD with high quality WAVs is more than suitable. When people buy the CD, if they like an artist, they can come on to the site and go to that artists' page where perhaps there are better quality mp3s, or they can contact the artist themselves and see about that kind of file. The truth is, we just want to share the music. And there's a reason why people will kill themselves/others for shitty, live versions of songs, as well as high quality - because the songs, after everything, ARE GOOD. I have every faith that leflaw can get a fair balance of size versus quality on the CD and I think that we're spending too much time on that issue. Let's not lose focus. Besides, Thasp, if we have a Rock Album, a Hip-Hop album, etc, that returns more revenue for DM that a cd chock full of mp3s. And how you think you can get 100's of mp3s on a CD being high quality is amazing! :) " id="33410">I think that Thasp's dedication to quality is great, but I think he might be missing the point... This CD is meant to be played in a CD player. It's not just a data CD of 100 songs. The point is to pick "THE BEST" of DMusic by genre, or by a big ol' contest, and have 100% of the profits returned to DMusic. it's a symbiotic approach to helping to support the artists BY helping to support DMusic. I think a 12-14 song CD with high quality WAVs is more than suitable. When people buy the CD, if they like an artist, they can come on to the site and go to that artists' page where perhaps there are better quality mp3s, or they can contact the artist themselves and see about that kind of file. The truth is, we just want to share the music. And there's a reason why people will kill themselves/others for shitty, live versions of songs, as well as high quality - because the songs, after everything, ARE GOOD. I have every faith that leflaw can get a fair balance of size versus quality on the CD and I think that we're spending too much time on that issue. Let's not lose focus. Besides, Thasp, if we have a Rock Album, a Hip-Hop album, etc, that returns more revenue for DM that a cd chock full of mp3s. And how you think you can get 100's of mp3s on a CD being high quality is amazing!
creativetim	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 9:22 AM I also think that we need a street team. The street team would be responsible for passing out promo CDs around their towns. Like here in Dallas, Deep Ellum is the place to be as far as clubs and stuff, so this would be a great place to distribute some promo CDs and spread the word about DMusic!! TREET TEAM:
victorsskull	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 9:28 AM I dont want any royaltys. I would do it for free.
jkate	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 9:44 AM PS - by "leflaw" I mean "whosoever does the mastering"
Jennae	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 10:46 AM YES!!! To everyone!! I think creating seperated thread designated to the various aspects of this project is a great idea and way to uphold the focus!! GREAT IDEA!! And Kate! Yes!! Thank you for the comment on the 100% dm profit. That was kind of my whole point. And like I previously stated. I am already finding new artist and music that is drawing me in. So I think ultimately the project will give back all on it's own like you were saying too. Let's get to dibbying task!
leflaw	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 10:52 AM This is starting to formulate. lets start with the artists here each picking 20 sings BY OTHERS for the CD ( i.e. no one can pick theirselves). Post them RIGHT HERE. also, make a playlist at your own page so we can hear them quickly and easily. Post that link here too. We will listen to the playlists, and come up with a recommensation for disk 1 and disk 2 ( 18 songs each?) Then I'll p
Jennae	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 10:56 AM http://jennae.dmusic.net/playlists Chekc them out! " id="33427">I have many of the artist that have already submitted here on my page: http://jennae.dmusic.net/playlists Chekc them out!
Jennae	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 11:22 AM http://www.dmusic.com/forum/interact/2794#1 for any person(s) interested in being involved in the Design and artwork for the CD." id="33434">http://www.dmusic.com/forum/interact/2794#1 for any person(s) interested in being involved in the Design and artwork for the CD.
Jennae	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 11:25 AM http://www.dmusic.com/forum/interact/2795#1 here Thasp go play in your sand box :rofl: This is a thread designated for sound quality issues." id="33435">http://www.dmusic.com/forum/interact/2795#1 here Thasp go play in your sand box This is a thread designated for sound quality issues.
Jennae	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 11:26 AM http://www.dmusic.com/forum/interact/2793#5 " id="33436">Creativetim has created a thread for marketing ideas and distribution. http://www.dmusic.com/forum/interact/2793#5
olethros	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 11:54 AM Hey, cool... if dmusic can think they can make dough by putting my music an comp CD, I have no problems at all. (Hard to think so since I'm still in the Bin though)
milladrive	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 12:02 PM 100th post.
BassNinjaEnigma	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 12:34 PM 101 Oh Marketing.... the one thing everyone seems to be overlooking. Once the cd is made there will need to be some sort of promotions other than a 'street team' selling cds on the street corner like homeless shmucks. I figure that one place where we could break through to the public at large is through radio. With radio (and newspaper/magazine) publicity not only would the DMusic Comp CD be brought forth into the light of the general public, but also the reason and cause behind DMusic, which is why we are here in the first place: Free Music... it's ironic to think that we are going to try and produce a music comp cd of free music. I mean, doesn't that go against what we are striving to acheive. Thasp always trying to help us all acheive P2P heaven... 'down with RIAA'.... sure the thought of helping support DMusic financially, but from a marketing point of veiw (before we produce and press thousands of cds), can we actually sell it like we think? One suggestion I have is maybe have the cds on a limited (numbered) production.. or even some being limited editions with bonus (animations/videos/info/ect.) material, like on dvds. That's another thing, DVD.... maybe oneday in the future we should think about a project along those lines. As for now, CD players are still the dominant form of music players and most support mp3, but as Thasp has made the point, QUALITY IS KEY. pantpant* tired -_- frum da
thumbtack	Date: February 13, 2003 @ 12:40 PM http://www.dmusic.com/shop/ and on the front page of the site as well....We'll do a press release, have one of the top people in the PR industry in LA get the info out to a ton of people. We'll use PR web, drop the story out to all of the music news websites, etc. " id="33449">We will also sell it in our online store http://www.dmusic.com/shop/ and on the front page of the site as well....We'll do a press release, have one of the top people in the PR industry in LA get the info out to a ton of people. We'll use PR web, drop the story out to all of the music news websites, etc.

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