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dbsnaredrummer	Date: April 25, 2006 @ 4:48 PM I have a big question! OK ... not to boast, just to give you some background. Up to now I'm a pretty much all around musician, i can play guitar, bass, drums, dj work, and sing a little.. I can also play a little piano and I have a cheap $100 casio keyboard that I learned on. I'm ready to start incoporating keyboard into my live shows and I can't get the sounds I'm looking for out of this keyboard. Really the only things I am looking for is good hearted piano sound and a great organ/synth sound. Great piano sound i know i can get out of alot of boards, I have tested many, but I CANNOT find one with the organ sounds I am looking for... This is you guys forte so i know you can help me. The keyboard type sound I'm looking for is (i think) a good rotary sound??? That typical rock groove sound, Similiar to the way it sounds on Bob seger's records... Here is a sample of a keyboardist's sound that i want to achieve, His name is Jimmie Bones. PLease Click this link or paste it and scroll to around 2:34 and his part will come in. http://media.putfile.com/Keyboard-scroll-to-234 I know he uses very expensive roland stuff. Basically my question is: 'does this type of sound come straight out of a board? Are there pedals/effects involved? I have around $300 or so to spend so I know it's not much, just looking for advice from you guys. Even if i cant afford it, I GOTTA KNOW WHAT MAKES THAT SOUND! THANKS ALOT!!!
from-a-box	Date: April 25, 2006 @ 5:34 PM Sounds like the old 'leslie' effect on a Hammond - now mimicked by many-a-synth. I got a Yamaha S03 for about $400, but that's about the lowest I found with decent organ sounds like that.
leedsquietman	Date: April 25, 2006 @ 5:41 PM Something like Native Instrument B4 II is a great organ virtual synth. You can download a demo of it here : http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=demoversions_us In all honesty it was nice organ sounds/playing but nothing I've never heard before, I'm sure other synth modules / vstis can also produce organ sounds like this. I have Korg Legacy Digital sounds that sound a bit like this both on M1 and Wavestation sounds. Also Propellerhead's 'Reason' has some very similar organ tones to this in NNXT sampler. Those rotary sounds were often performed live using Leslie cabinet speakers. This can be simulated with effect plug-ins.
shadowself	Date: April 26, 2006 @ 9:19 AM I have the sliders on my keyboard controller controlling the drawbars on B4 so I can adjust as I am playing. The B4 puts out the best B3 sounds I have ever heard outside of playing the real thing.
shadowself	Date: April 26, 2006 @ 9:20 AM I also have my mod wheel set to control the leslie's speed.
dbsnaredrummer	Date: April 26, 2006 @ 12:49 PM So on a budget of about $300 I'm probably not going to be able to get anything that gives me that kind of sound, am i? By the way, leedsquietman, the demo is corrupt. As soon as you install and run it, it immediately says it's expired. I tried several, all the same problem.
leedsquietman	Date: April 26, 2006 @ 8:50 PM well, apologies for that - It is from the official site, so you'd think that they would give you a demo evaluation, even if it has features disabled and it expires after a short period. $300 would be more than enough to buy you the program... http://www.zzounds.com/item--NINB4
dbsnaredrummer	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 5:57 PM yea, i need something for live stuff, though. You just cant beat rippin up the keys live.
shadowself	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 6:32 PM Well, if your current keyboard has a MIDI out and keys that are comfortable enough to play, you could use it as a controller for the software. It's annoying lugging a computer around, but it does give you a lot of options.
Distilled1	Date: April 27, 2006 @ 7:56 PM e-bay
dbsnaredrummer	Date: April 28, 2006 @ 1:03 AM i went to guitar center the other day and looked at some .. there was a good yamaha w/ realistic piano and decent rotary organ sounds for around $350. OR Does anyone have any experience w/ the boss rt-20 rotary sound processor pedal? it may be a viable option, although i cant find any downloads of it online to actually hear it.
dbsnaredrummer	Date: April 28, 2006 @ 1:05 AM i went to guitar center the other day and looked at some .. there was a good yamaha w/ realistic piano and decent rotary organ sounds for around $350. OR Does anyone have any experience w/ the boss rt-20 rotary sound processor pedal? it may be a viable option, although i cant find any downloads of it online to actually hear it. check it out: http://www.roland.com/products/en/RT-20/index.html
dbsnaredrummer	Date: April 28, 2006 @ 1:14 AM sorry to post so many times in a row... but after listening to the sample i had in my orginal post, is rotary the sound i am going for? i really am a beginner, u guys gotta help me out !!
Elu	Date: May 15, 2006 @ 11:25 AM ummm...my two cents...is that this is a basic organ sound. Roland has that exact sound in most of their systems. I've used it many a time. Drawbar or rock organ with tremelo. Most general midi device have a similar sound. REO speedwagon used it on keep on rolling. Rotary is not...I repeat "NOT" what it is.
GeneHilbert	Date: May 15, 2006 @ 11:53 AM The Roland JV series are pretty nice rack mount tone generators. I should know I have three of them LOL. Along with the expansion cards Keyboards of the 60's & 70's produce a shit pot full of keyboards options. Not only that but you’ll also get over 500 additional tonal patches. All of which can be edited and stored up to 128 internally – more can be save on flash cards or on a computer. They are older now but still available. I would be much more comfortable using a midi rack tone generator triggered by a computer on the road than a VSTi’s alone, just for the stability factor. If you boot it up and leave it alone you’ll probably be OK, but if you load something different on every song, and you don’t have a redundant backup running simultaneously. Or reboot the programs at every break. If are going to at some point have a freeze or crash, and probably at the most inopportune time….
Elu	Date: May 16, 2006 @ 10:20 AM Not meaning to hijack this thread...but how much could I pick up a used Roland JV for Gene?
MinisterofSc...	Date: May 16, 2006 @ 10:32 AM If you've got a load of money, get the korg CX3. It's a birthday present to kill all other birthday presents. Great sounds. wait a second. Okay, it doesn't have a piano sound at all. Sorry. get it anyway.
Mentalfunk	Date: May 22, 2006 @ 7:34 AM I have a JV and I love that unit, just for that reason. It has a bunch of the classics, great reeds and stuff
gitfiddl	Date: February 25, 2007 @ 12:12 PM On 15th May 2008, Elu said: ummm...my two cents...is that this is a basic organ sound...REO speedwagon used it on keep on rolling. Rotary is not...I repeat "NOT" what it is. I beg to differ. The REO organ lead is indeed a Hammond thru a Leslie (read rotary!) The soundclip link it the first post sounds like either a poorly mic'd Leslie or a "just passable" simulator.
GeneHilbert	Date: February 25, 2007 @ 1:06 PM Wow.... I haven't seen this thread in awhile, the JV's I think now for $250 to $500 for one in excellent condition or with the bass & drum card, keyboards of the 60's and 70's, the Orch 1 & 2 are kewl and the Vocal card is pretty slick. The Korg TR, and Triton racks are also very kewl....... I do use a computer on stage, but I use it for midi only. If you are looking to use a computer on stage as a VSTi host - be careful not to jump around with to many plug-ins, pick your sounds so as to cover as much sonic territory as possible. The last thing you want is to fill the ram and tax the processor hence crashing the thing in the middle of a tune or set. One major buzz kill....
TheElf	Date: February 26, 2007 @ 6:51 AM Yeah I know, this thread is old & this probably doesn't matter anymore....however, The Yamaha S03 was mentioned above & I'd have to agree on that for organ sounds. I got mine in 2002 for around $400, you may be able to find one cheaper now on eBay. The organs need very little tweeking (which is good because you could get lost in the plethora of menus on this board) & there are probably more organ selections than any other sound on this board.
theblacklodge	Date: February 27, 2007 @ 11:11 AM "I have the sliders on my keyboard controller controlling the drawbars on B4 so I can adjust as I am playing. The B4 puts out the best B3 sounds I have ever heard outside of playing the real thing." I have to say I felt the EVB3 in logic was a notch above that NI soft synth. Since I don't own Logic Pro, I don't know what's become of it in later versions (EVB3 is sadly not included in my version, which is Logic Express) Aside from that one, I also frequently use the organ samples in my Nord Electro 2 keyboard. They don't sound as hardcore "vintage" as you can get some of the soft synths to sound, but it's one hell of a good live organ, and immediately finds it place into a mix.