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mazarick	Date: November 11, 2003 @ 9:29 PM Hi! What does everyone think about having a multi site Internet Battle of the Bands? I'll put down a couple of Qs and As to give everyone a "flavor" for what's up. LuLu.com and Rocketears-online.net have already expressed interest. Here's a start... INTERNET BATTLE OF THE BANDS!! Submission from now until December 25 at midnight (local time zone) Q. What type of music is eligible? A. Any music with a holiday theme is eligible. Funny Christmas songs, Holiday instrumentals, Channuka songs, Ramadan songs, etc. The idea is that the song should put some FUN back into the holidays. Q. Who can enter? A. Anyone who can post an mp3 file on one or more of the sponsors' website can enter. The material should be posted only if there is permission from the owner/author to post it for the purpose of the Internet Battle of the Bands contest. Q. Does the song have to be brand new? A. No, pre-recorded songs that fit the description would be fine. Q. What is the "prize" for the artists? A. The top selected artists will be provided with free recording time on one to several of the music collaboration sites, will have their selections played on internet radio, and will be recognized by special awards such as "most played IBOB-2003 entry", "funniest IBOB-2003 entry", "most musical IBOB-2003 entry", "best lyrics IBOB-2003 entry", "best guitar IBOB-2003 entry", with selections according to the industry expert judges panel. Q. What is the "prize" for the sites? A. Site prizes will be based on number of entries, number of 'hits' of the songs played, and a "voting selection" by the other sites (each site will select top 5 tunes from the other sites, but not themselves) Q. Who are the Internet Battle of the Band judges? A. Most of the judges are highly placed industry professionals, who would prefer to remain anonymous, but one has consented to be contacted by email. http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail36.html Q. What will happen to the music at the end of the contest? A. Internet radio stations will be given the opportunity to play any entry; each site must remove all entries by Jan. 15, 2004. Q. When will the results of the contest be announced? A. Contest Results will be announced Tuesday, December 30, 2003. Q: Who is sponsoring the Internet Battle of the Bands? A. There are several budding Internet Collaboration Sites, many of them have not yet been discovered by this contest, but will be included when they are discovered. Amoung the sites that are current sponsors are: http://jolforum.zapto.org/ http://letsjamonline.com/ http://music.lulu.com/ http://www.artistcollaboration.com/ http://www.cyberjammin.com/phpBB2/portal.php http://www.dmusic.com/ http://www.garageband.com/ http://www.loopwise.com/ http://www.magix.com/select.html http://www.makeastar.com/index.asp http://www.mp3.com/ http://www.produceahit.com/ http://www.recording-audio.com/ http://www.rocketears-online.net/ http://www.soundbyte.org/ http://www.soundclick.com/ The main criteria to be a sponsor is that the musicians the site sponsors must have a place to drop off the MP3s for this contest that they have created. An internet Radio station has agreed to dedicate a show from the selections entered in this contest. The radio station is: Socrates Radio Network
Jennae	Date: November 12, 2003 @ 8:04 PM awesome!!
Gudnason	Date: November 15, 2003 @ 9:14 PM I will make a noise xmas song and put it here: http://nxfxtxex.dmusic.com
Acumen	Date: November 15, 2003 @ 10:55 PM mmmm... i got a few ideas already...
DSSultan	Date: December 2, 2003 @ 10:41 AM OK, so who are we anyway? My name is DS Sultan, I run Collaboration Central (www.artistcollaboration.com) and we are gonna take part in this little contest and KICK SOME INTERNET BUTT! So the rest of you don't even bother entering unless you want to be dissapointed! LOL! This should be a very interesting project so everyone should do whatever they can to take part and spread the word! I know I have already started, tryin to get radio station involvment is a must! I got a lead in that regard and will post any new news on it when I get some. Good luck to all of us!
leflaw	Date: December 5, 2003 @ 10:47 AM Your base are belong to us.
Svensta	Date: December 5, 2003 @ 6:31 PM I've mentioned this to some sympathetic ears at WSOU (Seton Hall's Pirate Radio) in New Jersey. They have a show 'Street Patrol', weekly highlighting unsigned music. Hopefully I can interest them in a holiday show.
mracky	Date: December 11, 2003 @ 2:29 PM hey, what's going on with this contest? I started to create a playlist with Christmas stuff from dmusic, but according to the above, the artist has to give permission to post it for the battle of the bands. I give permission for 'God Rest Ye, Shoppers'. How 'bout John Garza, Jazzmary, Elu and the Heretics? Who else has Christmas music? C'mon, dmusicians!
DSSultan	Date: December 12, 2003 @ 1:43 PM OK, I posted this in another part of the forum, so I'll plug it here as well... You may have seen a post or two about this. So here it goes again! We have a live site ready for your best tracks to battle the other Collaboration sites like this one out there on the internet! What does it take to take part in this? Good question! Visit www.internetbattleofthebands.com and check it out! This site is a sponsor site, so to enter you need an ID and password to load your tracks. After that, it's up to the rest of your public following. To get an ID and password, simply ask the site admin or if they are not available, you can email us directly from the IBOB site. Give us your sponsoring site, and once we confirm you, your ID and password will be sent back to you. We hope that this is an ongoing project and that all of you can take part. Good luck to all of you and may the battle begin! As for the permission issue, I am afraid I got no clue about that. It would be up to the artists involved to agree to be used for this contest.
mracky	Date: December 12, 2003 @ 6:04 PM okay, admin! I want an ID and password for iBOB submittal. are you partaking in this? or should I ask the iBOB site? :gentlepush:
DSSultan	Date: December 12, 2003 @ 11:58 PM If you hear nothing from your admin, email us at contest@internetbattleofthebands.com. We will confirm your ID and send it along to you! Thanks for taking part.
leflaw	Date: December 22, 2003 @ 5:48 PM I have just re-mastered the Jan 2003 Lester Chambers Concert at the Kennedy Center YOU SHOULD HEAR THIS. Its goind on the first DMusic compilation CD, in progress right now! This is a cool thing that DMusic is doing along with Suspectz Records. We all contribute tracks and DMusic will press the CD's and send them back to each artist or band to sell, along with promo copies, T-shirts and other promo material! Independent artists promoting and distributing each others music. Imagine! hundreds of bands, DJ's emcees, solo artists, and producers hawking each others CD's. Thats promotion in my book. All Dmusic requires from each contributor is 1) a wav file or a CD itself with a full 16 bit 44.1Khz file 2) Band photos in PNG, PDF, BMP or equivalent high a resolution format (adobe photoshop, quark express, Windows Point should work - use JPEG or GIF as as last resort they are lower resolution and 3) a faxed written permission to 215-885-3302 to include the track on the compilation, and 4) proof that the song and track are copyrighted (either copyright registration or statement that it track and/or song are not copyrighted in the name of the contributor). "Cover" songs will require a mechanical payment of 8 cents a copy sold to the copyright owner, which DMusic will advance). And DMusic will file copyright registrations and administer publishing for a small fee, if any contributors need that service. We have almost enough tracks for the first Vol 1. Dmusic compilation, and are reviewing tracks for Vol 2 and 3 now. Cool? Where's your track, by the way? All submissions to Leflaw (leflaw@leflaw.org) with cc: Joshr (Joshr@dmusic.com) and Lreznik (tech@leflaw.com) Include URL of track so we can listen to your mp3 on line, and snail mail us a WAV file on a CD to dMusic c/o Lawtomation, Inc. 101 Greenwood Ave Jekintowm Pa, 19046 (or FTP instructions where we can pull down a wav file from a server.) Join Lester Chambers, Leflaw, Da Suspectz, Jennae, Chillin and the rest of the DMusic miscreants! The Dmusic independent CD collaboration project. 20 tracks, 20 artists, 20 distributors. Etc., Etc. Think of the Possibilities.
KevBrock	Date: December 13, 2003 @ 7:44 PM Ok, this is so f'ing awesome. I got to enter in this battle of the bands thing. I have a Christmas song written and I think it's going to be a hit.
DSSultan	Date: December 15, 2003 @ 10:36 AM Did you get the IS/PW yoou need to post your track KevRock?
DSSultan	Date: December 18, 2003 @ 3:51 PM I had gotten a note from Leflaw concerning this contest and this sites interests in it. It brings to question DMusic's willingness to be a sponsor for this contest. I must appologize to the users here at DMusic,
DSSultan	Date: December 18, 2003 @ 3:52 PM I had gotten a note from Leflaw concerning this contest and this sites interests in it. It brings to question DMusic's willingness to be a sponsor for this contest. I must appologize to the users here at DMusic, but if I do not hear from a site admin confirming this sites willingness to be a sponsor we will have no choice but to pull the tracks that this sites users have already posted. It would be a shame to have to do so as many of the dozen or so tracks already posted are excellent! So I hope that DMusic's involvement in this contest and future IBOB projects is welcomed by this site and it's users. If there are any questions about this issue, please feel free to drop me a personal note, or email me at contest@internetbattleofthebands.com and I would be happy to discuss this further. Again, sorry if this posting has caused any misunderstandings. Regards, DS Sultan.
Jennae	Date: December 19, 2003 @ 6:32 PM "I had gotten a note from Leflaw concerning this contest and this sites interests in it. It brings to question DMusic's willingness to be a sponsor for this contest." What does this mean? Can you elaborate?? Why would there be any issue in dmusic artist and or dmusic participating in this event??? This is a fabulous Idea!!!! It's seasonal, promotes Holiday spirit and is great additional exposure for our fellow dmusic artist as well as the dmusic website. These songs are getting internet radio air play as well and furthuring recognition. Why are we not giving this a warm welcome?? I know for a fact that there are several dmusic artist that have spent time and energy enthusiastically involving their talents in this contest and to see that effort go down the tubes and never see the light of day seems like a damn shame to me. We are a music site here to assist and support and encourage our artist in gaining exposure of their talents and music. If there is some reason why this site can not support this contest or create an account or password as to allow the following members that HAVE tried to participated in this event, NOT TO... can I please understand as to why that is??? this is really a "grinch" on the holilday spirit I think this is a great idea and a wonderful chance for our artist to gain some furthuring exposure so I would seriously HOPE that SOMEONE can PLEASE take the necessary steps into allowing our artist here at dmusic to participate.
leflaw	Date: December 19, 2003 @ 7:16 PM We don't care if people want to enter a contest. But no one asked us to sponsor this. We don't know these people or their intent. I won't be an involuntary sponsor to anything. Its rude. If they are rip-offs, I don't want to be accused of touting them. We also don't appreciate ultimatums. If this internet-battle-of-the-bands-wants us to sponsor something, they ought to start out by making a donation. It's the button on the upper left part of our site.
mracky	Date: December 19, 2003 @ 7:20 PM Jen - recap -- we do have a DM representation at the ibob site. Elu, John Garza, Jessurun, Kev Brock and myself. I noted other artists who had xmas tracks uploaded here, but I guess they chose not to participate. Currently, dmusic is in third place in site totals, which kinda shows that the majority of dm is not interested, since the tally is ultimately a popularity contest with each site encouraging votes for their own entries. As for "I had gotten a note from Leflaw concerning this contest and this sites interests in it. It brings to question DMusic's willingness to be a sponsor for this contest." too. sponsor = it could be a money thing. your point about exposure is right on.
mracky	Date: December 19, 2003 @ 7:48 PM leflaw - i can appreciate your position. But man! I assumed DMusic was a sponsor since it was listed as such in the initial posting (top of this thread) as well as on the 'battle' site. Sure, don't believe everything you read, but no one said anything to the contrary until a month later? That could of saved me some time and energy.
leflaw	Date: December 19, 2003 @ 8:29 PM I hear you. But I didn't start this thread. By the time I realized what was going on, it was December. Should I have deleted this thread? Should I delete it now? Like I said, he could have just posted his news and left. This "sponsorship" is bullshit. He lists Mp3.com as a sponsor. Come on! You guys deal with it. Let me know how it turns out. This site is not sponsoring these people. His last post is still scamming. --"I had gotten a note from Leflaw concerning this contest and this sites interests in it. It brings to question DMusic's willingness to be a sponsor for this contest."--- It sure as hell does! I wrote to him - "who are you and did anyone at my site say they would sponsor you? " The more I think about this, the madder I get. Maybe I should delete his account. Smells like a fraud, not teen spirit.
KevBrock	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 2:27 AM Now that I think of it, it probably is a fraud and some loser idiot trying to steal people's songs just so HE only can win a contest. I'm going back to that site to remove my song before anyone steals it. Now that I read this whole thread, I should never have trusted this thing in the first place.
Jennae	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 3:19 AM
mazarick	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 3:44 AM tsk! tsk! All this over some Christmas songs!! Well, sometimes people have to judge for themselves, so, please take the time to listen to the WorldTalkRadio broadcast, and judge for yourself. http://www.worldtalkradio.com/archives.asp?sid=87 On another sponsor collaboration site, rocketears-online.net, it is easy to see on the front page the following response: " In addition to radio play, a holiday duel has been gestured: DS_Sultan has issued this carol-cajoling "My name is DS Sultan and I run Collaboration Central. We are partaking in the IBOB that is going around and I just thought I'd come by and say hi. Also I thought I'd say that you guys can just turn your rigs off as our users are gonna take all the prizes from this little contest!" A white glove has been tossed! Get your rigs pumped up, free up some hard drive space, and GET RECORDING!!!! " I think the Rocketears "get it". Lots of missed connections have occurred, but, if anyone will listen to the songs, the music will speak for itself. If anyone will listen to the radio broadcast, it will also tell the story. After that, make up your own mind. After a little bit of listening, reviewing notes, and reflecting on the intentions and purposes, I'm sure that the best course of action can be taken for all involved. Thoughts anyone?
johnnygnote	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 4:20 AM Jeez I understand Leflaws Position very well. it seems considerate protocols were not administered here. I hope this gets worked out. Since I didn't write the songs i posted on the BOB site, I'm not too concerned about infringement but, I can see where there is some cause for frustration on Leflaws part. Considering DM is his baby.
KevBrock	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 9:23 AM I'm still having a hard time believing this mazarik guy, he is still not giving any valid proof whether this contest is fake or real. Defend yoursellf all you want mazarik, but you are going to continue to have people not believe you. Even all the notes mazarik sent didn't prove anything.
Jennae	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 4:19 PM well I know mazarick and i am familiar with the rocketears and have partaken in their small community there which is a mature group of collaborators.. I brought Mazarick here for I thought his band "Soul Daddies" was a great band and I wanted to him come enjoy our great community as well. Mazarick also invest his time and energy into supporting the "rocketears" community and is trying to help them seeing they just had a recent loss of the web site creator. I can agree maybe things fell through the loop on the communication level, but i am very sad and disappointed that this is the accusational response this is getting. I can assure you on MY word there is no malicious intentions here and I have been aware of this project for sometime now. I am sorry mazarick that I dod not take a more prominent stand in supporting this excellent Idea you founded to assist making sure the wires didn't get corssed as they have. I think when Mazarick and leflaw communicated previously, I don't think everything was understood clearly on both behalf's and hence this misfortunate confuseion.
Jennae	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 6:19 PM From: DSSultan Date: 2003-12-20 18:01:44 You mention being asked to intervien, and I am not scamming anyone here. I really am not. My focus, which you know by now if you listened to the radio show I did last night, is one of cooperation. ...I emplore you to ask them(dm) to take part, it can only help everyone. If this site is not willing to sponsor this contest, ... then I really do need to pull the tracks to be fair to the sites that are willing to sponsor the IBOB project. I hope that the users here also wish to partake, and that management sees it's way fit to allow them, or they can load tracks as independent artists to take part. Again, thanks for the time you have taken. I am really just trying to get online collabing out to the masses. This is not a money making venture for me, in fact, if you visit my site and poke around you will see we are musicians too! thanks again. *So with this stated, you can still partake as an indie artist if anyone is involved but not as a represenative of dmusic. So anyone who is currently involved in this battle of the bands X mas contest, please resubmit your entries as to still remain involved. Good luck to those of you who have contributed on a personal note... this is not a scam.
leflaw	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 6:20 PM No confusion. Just being "invaded and challenged". Below is uncontroverted evidence that you, mazarick, are a liar. You posted that Dmusic sponsored you PRIOR to the date you did actually request sponsorship: Re: Christmas? (delete) From: mazarick Date: 2003-12-05 00:39:38 Thumbtack said to contact you... btw, did you see that your site has been "invaded" and is being directly challenged? http://www.dmusic.com/forum/Announcements/6071 (see note from DSSultan) ---------- thumbtack said the following: Contact Leflaw by note, I no longer work for the company ---------- mazarick said the following: Hi! I was wondering if you'd be interested in being the DMusic sponsor for a Christmas/Holiday song "contest" across multiple music collaboration sites? I was doing a little research, and just found out there was actually a similar contest last year at this site (and you had started the "thread" from what I can see). You may wish to read the following: http://www.dmusic.com/forum/Announcements/6071 It sounds similar to last years contest (which I didn't realize took place). Regards, Mike Mazarick Don't piss in my face and tell me its raining. I accuse you of being surreptious, deceitful and dishonest. If you don't explain yourself truthfully and apologize for casting aspersions when you BARGED INTO MY FORUM ON MY SITE merely to promote yourself, and told everyone that Dmusic was your sponsor, then I will delete your account, along with DSSultan. Six hours from now. Midnight. No honest explanation and apology, then you can go post your music on some other of your own imagined "sponsors", like Mp3.com perhaps. Use your own bandwidth for your own promotions. We are artists here, not bullshit artists. And on top of that YOU POSTED IT IN MY OWN PERSONAL FORUM. You are rude and inconsiderate. Your conduct is not worthy of the standards of Dmusic. so ordered. Leflaw
johnnygnote	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 6:25 PM Maybe what's needed here is for L and M (no pun intended) to communicate again on this matter and perhaps M owes L an apology (directly) for not being more forthcoming with the protocol thing and L needs to give M an unbiased ear, in other words just give it one more try before the Xmas days are gone. You know "Peace on earth, good will towards men" All in All I think J is right that this is all one big fopah and some things just need to be straightened out. just my 2cents.
leflaw	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 6:28 PM THERE WILL BE NO BULLSHIT SPIN HERE. I know spin when I see it. We don't spin here. We unspin. Maybe instead of deleting his account, I should make him pay our bandwidth bill this month.
leflaw	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 6:33 PM Lets see how "collaborative " that feels.
Jennae	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 6:46 PM I would defintely like to see better resolution in this matter. I think we have a huge miscommunication on our hands and I don't think anyone has maicious intentions here at all. I myself am rtying to sort out exactly how and if we can come to some solution to allow our partaking members in this event to continue doing so is all. we must work together to find a solution which is possible i think Commmunication is key.. and I am trying to communicate and beter understand both sides of thie confused matter. There has to be a better way for us to discuss our problematic situation. "If you don't explain yourself truthfully and apologize for casting aspersions when you BARGED INTO MY FORUM ON MY SITE merely to promote yourself" allow me to apologize for him if you will, I was told of this contest, and I suggested he definitely ask our community to be involved! Seeing as these songs will be getting internet radio air play and in general cross promotions in other areas of the net, I personally thought this would be good recognition for our artist, AND our site's name to possibly get involved. I encouraged them to ask our community to partake and suggested he go ahead as post a thread on the issue. I saw this as a promotional tool for our artist and community as a whole "self promoting" IS what we do here and partial to what dmusic all is all about. They are attempting to assist us with an additional way to "self promote" our artist and possible this site simply by allowing others to be involved. "Tis the season " I don't believe mazarick was attempting to be deceitful to you at all leflaw. He might have not communicated properly and might have not known the proper routes in which to approach this idea properly on this site. Again My apologies, for I encouraged his posting and promotioning of this event for I assumed it would be a good marketing tool for our site as a whole. Unfortunately we did not convey or communicate well as a unit on all sides. But with this being said. Leflaw if you are not comfortable, there is no reason to try to persuade the motion. You have good reasons for your suspicions, but unfortuantely they were simply delievered wrong in creating this effect. In closing I just want everyone to know that is you are interested and or have participated, there is a way to still be involved in this project if you so choose. I am sorry things got to this point. I beg that we do not delete any accounts due to this manner and accept it for the misunderstanding it is please????
DSSultan	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 6:50 PM I feel the time is here to post again (beofre my accont is roghtfully deleted) to clear up any issues that I personnaly am responsable for. A) Leflaw, your right of course, I presumed that by the initial post your site was involved as a sponsor, my bad. But I also note that there was no rebutle on the matter from you until I posted a friendly site challenge in the hopes of stirring up interest, not a hornets nest. For the lack of protocol and double checking I offer my sincere appologies to you. B) To this site's users, I again offer my appologies as I was only just being freindly and trying to gain interest by this site, and many others that I have contacted, to be a part of what I felt was a great idea. Indeed at first Leflaw, I had presumed it was your idea. But that may have been a grand mistake on my part. C) I am NOT, nor will I ever be, a SCAMMER! My interest here sir, is NOT to steal music, or users, or any of your trade secrets. I support sites like this one and endorse their existance. I wish also to be acknowledged in a formal appology for these remarks as they too are not done within the vien of goodwill. Which was my intentions all along. You may well delete this post and you have every right to do so. I feel nothing toward you sir, but I feel for the users of this site. D) I urge the users of this site to stay loyal to it. Do not let this clear misunderstanding disuade you from doing what you are here to do. And that should be to make music and meet good friends. Please do think about that before acting on any impulses. E) To Mazarick, I feel I have put you in a bad situation. I appologize to you sir as well. Your inttentions are good ones, but I may have overstepped my my bounds As a final note, sir, I will be removing the tracks posted by this sites users. No as an ultimatum, which was not my intent, but as a fair play act towards the sites that do support the IBOB project. Again, thank you for your itme and I hope this serves you in the way you have asked for it to. If you find it in your heart to take this in the manner in which it is offered then I would be glad to start talks with you on this subject, so that I may follow all protocols as prescribed by your charter. Best wishes to you and yours in this holiday season Merry Christmas to all, and a happy new year.
leflaw	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 6:52 PM Like I said, So ordered. Midnight. No tickee, no washee. In the future, members may want to run things by management before they commit Dmusic to outside projects. We watch our bandwidth usuage and budgets carefully, as you might note by our recent deep linking policy and other changes.
hux	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 7:40 PM >they ought to start out by making a donation. and then you said: >>We watch our bandwidth usuage and budgets carefully Indeed. Like a little old lady convinced the world is after her pennies. Bless your heart. If anyone wants to just make music for the fun of making music, we'd love to have you. Deep linking allowed. do me a favor, delete my account right now - DON'T wait until midnight. shakes head hux - AC founder" id="75070">We watch our bandwidth usuage and budgets carefully Indeed. Like a little old lady convinced the world is after her pennies. Bless your heart. If anyone wants to just make music for the fun of making music, we'd love to have you. Deep linking allowed. do me a favor, delete my account right now - DON'T wait until midnight. shakes head hux - AC founder
KevBrock	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 7:59 PM Well, all I have to say is this, typing words on a computer screen don't prove anything whether this contest is fake or real. I will not believe any of you until YOU come up straight out front and give valid proof that this contest is real or not. If you give proof, if this contest is real, then our appologies for accusing you. If this proves to be a fake, then bye bye, no dmusic for you (as leflaw warned you). It's that simple guys. Take it or leave it. Give us valid proof so we can believe you. Defending yourselves like your doing now is not giving us any proof. It's really that simple to give us proof that this is a real contest. (I have a feeling that you are being very discrete of hiding this proof) When other sites are doing contests, the owners/judges of the contest sites gives people proof that the contest is real right out front. There had been no evidence whether this Christmas contest is real or not. All those links you posted really don't prove anything either because any user can post those links. That's enough of my rant. Remember this old quote: "We won't believe it, until we see it." Capeche?
hux	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 8:00 PM LOL could ya define "valid proof"? How do we prove that a cheesy little contest like this is real?
KevBrock	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 8:05 PM "LOL could ya define "valid proof"? How do we prove that a cheesy little contest like this is real?" I can already see that you don't even want to show the proof.
hux	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 8:07 PM bangs head on desk yer killing me here, dude. Seriously. What would you like to see? What would you consider vaild proof?
Jennae	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 8:12 PM kev.. dear you just don't get it IT'S JUST A FRIKKEN CONTEST!!!!!!!!!! period! for enjoyment! Capeche????????? talk about negativity and minds. there is NOTHING TO PROVE!!!!!!! you make a song and submit it or you don't! PERIOD! It's JUST allowing you to submit a song for a "CHEESY"online collaborating contest.... jesus people. hux... indeed.. "sponsor" was the wrong word...very.
KevBrock	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 8:14 PM "yer killing me here, dude. Seriously. What would you like to see? What would you consider vaild proof?" As I said, you guys are scared and hiding something. It's that easy to show us proof. Stop making your dumb excuses. Every contest on the internet gives proof right up front, but all you guys never did that. You just give us the password/login for all of us to manage the site, the entire site. That is not cool to do that dude. You give out passwords/logins, it can spread all around the internet, and people can always log on stealing our songs and messing around with them. When you gave me the loggin/password that BattleoftheBands site, after I logged in, I immediately began to not trust that thing at all. No other contest would give users passwords logins to manage songs whatsoever. It's just idiotic. It's also impossible to believe that you guys are the actual owners of the contest. So continue to bang your head on the desk. I can't think of any ideas for you to give us proof, but you are capable enough of showing it, which you are scared to.
Jennae	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 8:20 PM
hux	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 8:24 PM hux... indeed.. "sponsor" was the wrong word...very. yea, I think all of this can be traced back to that. Oh well. Live and learn.
Jennae	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 8:25 PM yep i'm done trying myself sorry people.. I tried
KevBrock	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 8:28 PM Sorry I'm a littls harsh Jennae, I'm just trying to help leflaw out to get these guys to explain and prove this contest is real, that's all. But can't you blame us? This contest angered a lot of dmusic users.
KevBrock	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 8:46 PM Leflaw, is it possible if you could do an IP check to see if hux, mazarik and DSultan are really them from that site? I am browsing that site right now and I looked everywhere. I still see no evidence.
hux	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 8:50 PM yer a fruitcake, but yer a fun fruitcake - what if I suspend the site, take it offline? Say, for 10 minutes? What time ya want it down?
hux	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 8:51 PM would ya believe it then? would that be "proof"? quivers with excitement this is so rich...lol
hux	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 9:02 PM OK, KevBrock, check that site again. The title banner is now a tribute to your fruitcake-y-ness. that work for ya? I can turn the whole damned site into a tribute to your fruitiness, if you'd like.
hux	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 9:04 PM ya got 5 minutes, then it goes back to normal.
KevBrock	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 9:06 PM Heh, well there's your proof guys, check the InternetBattleoftheBands site and on the front title it says "Kev Brock is such a fun fruitcake". LOL Ok, I guess I believe that you guys are the owners of that site. That is proof but that's a good start. http://www.internetbattleofthebands.com/ But seriously, on the site you should give proof that the contest is real otherwise you're going to get a lot of angered musicians knocking on your head. And I'm quite positive that us users in dmusic weren't the only music site that accused your contest of being fake. Just my 2 cents.
hux	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 9:13 PM And I'm quite positive that us users in dmusic weren't the only music site that accused your contest of being fake. yer quite wrong, actually. This is the only site that has expressed a problem with it at all as far as I know. And actually, the site's users seemed excited about it. Far as I know nothing negative was said till yer leflaw guy commenced with the foot stomping and whining. Shrug. I've advised Sully that he should probably remove the dmusic logo and make any of the artists on the site resubmit as independents. leflaw don't want his logo there, that's cool. Whatever. Let's all go back to being who we were last week, eh?
leflaw	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 9:33 PM Hux. Good name fer ya.
leflaw	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 9:52 PM Hey hucks, Tell your buddies that I am a trademark lawyer, and if the Dmusic logo is not off your site FORTHWITH (right now for those who are verbally challenged), I will file a suit againt the owners of the site on Monday. Ask anybody. I don't shoot blanks. Now you've been challenged. You have a big mouth and clearly don't know when to shut up. If you are smart, you will remove our logo, say nothing, and leave quietly.
cybrgost	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 9:54 PM Bamm!!
KevBrock	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 9:56 PM Yep, that's another reason that IBOB can't be trusted. They refuse to remove the Dmusic logon on their site. Since dmusic is obviously copywritten, IBOB is violating copyright laws by uploading a dmusic logo without the owners permission. That gives the right to sue you guys if leflaw wanted to. That is another reason why we are giving you crap, hux. It's that simple to remove that dmusic logo as well when leflaw stated many times in this thread that he wanted it off there. If this contest turns out to be a fake, that gives me the right to file lawsuit as well.
Jcranfill	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 10:00 PM How about issuing a proper DMCA notice FORTHWITH without resorting to 'my penis is larger than your penis'. I'm not a lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express within the last 4 months.
leflaw	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 10:02 PM What the hell does the DMCA have to do with this, that unconstitutional piece of trash? This is trademark infringement.
Jennae	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 10:08 PM people is is embarrassing to the site and just plain ridiculous... delete this thread and lets stop belittling ourselves taken way way way too far.
Jcranfill	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 10:09 PM Godwin's Law commencing in 5...4...3...
leflaw	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 10:11 PM Godwins Law is suspended here. I rail about Leni Riefenstahl every 30 seconds.
leflaw	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 10:13 PM The thread stays. And the lesson is: Don't make any deals for Dmusic without asking me first. There is no board of directors, no CEO, no shareholders, just me. This is not a dotbomb, at least not yet.
Jcranfill	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 10:14 PM leflaw, please contact me via email thats listed in my account here ASAP. Thanks.
KevBrock	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 10:14 PM Leflaw is right about hux being a big mouth, he was also acting a bit immature in this thread. You think a contest owner would act like that? Excuse me, I need to get another Heineken from the fridge.
leflaw	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 11:18 PM I can now tell you that these guys used at least one other "sponsor" website without authority, as I was directly informed by that website. I am still investigating. Classic scam technique. Keep working the ring until someone lets you in, then you use that person's reference to scam everyone else. I once met a guy who used my name to defraud a bank. He went to jail.
KevBrock	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 11:27 PM Well, who ever these guys are, they aren't very proffesional in my book. The way they act here, there is no courtesy toward other people whatsoever. If I were you, I would invesigate these guys to find out for yourself. If these guys are too scared to give out proof and since you said you are a lawyer, I'm sure you would get all the secrets behind this contest. IMO, that IBOB is a very amatuerish site. It seems like these guys made that web site to amuse themselves. As you notice, they don't have many people going to their message boards. LOL
KevBrock	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 11:30 PM And another thing I'm in question of, it had been stated that if any of us in dmusic wins the contest, we get free studio time and a place on the IBOB compilation album. Which I find a bunch of bullshit myself. If we win, hwo the hell are we going to get any studio time without any rights from a studio? How are they going to pay for their expenses? For example, it would downright suck if I win the contest and they never gave me the studio time. If that happens, that would show that the contest is a fake and a scam.
leflaw	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 11:32 PM And what good is studio time if the goal is collaboration from home computers?
KevBrock	Date: December 20, 2003 @ 11:56 PM "And what good is studio time if the goal is collaboration from home computers?" LOLOLOLOLOL That too doesn't make a bit of sense either does it? Pretty ironic. :lOl:
Jennae	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 12:48 AM have another heinekin kev then you'll have some excuse for your por attitude!
hux	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 1:04 AM Hey hucks, nice. I expected as much.
hux	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 1:10 AM matter of fact, I'll be removing all songs that belong to that "band id", and you'll HAVE to resubmit, if ya wanna enter. I could give a shit right now.
hux	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 1:40 AM done, done, and done. My sincere thanks to you, sirs, for a most valuable lesson today. I'll not be stinking the place up further, please do delete this account.
Jennae	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 1:45 AM
leflaw	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 4:03 AM Hux Hypocrite schmuck. We all know you are in the webhosting business. You givin it away? Who you foolin? This is the internet, man. You can't hide.
DSSultan	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 4:11 AM Actually Hux is NOT in the hosting business. I AM! If you look closer at the domain name and who it's reg'ed to, you will not see his name on it! Hux helps me admin the sites that I maintain. My company. My responsability. I have to ask if you read my above appology sir? I am saddened that this has taken place. I am indeed sorry. All material from this site has been removed as requested and all referrence to this site as haveing anything to do with the IBOB project has also been removed. I hope this serves to satisfy your issues with me. And they should be with me, not Hux, nor anyone else. It was afterall MY post that got this really going. Please stop all this name calling and petty bickering. It serves no purpose, and olny harms the intent of sites like your and mine. I again will say, I encourage all your users to stay loyal to this site, do not let this get in the way of your goals. Thanks for reading this post.
leflaw	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 4:40 AM Fine, great. Thanks for patronizing us. And I do mean patronize. And just for the record. I didn't ask you to "remove material from this site" I don't know what that means. If people from this site want to enter a contest and upload their material to you, more power to them or you. Next time, make a simple announcement in an appropraite place. You spam here and its ass-kicking time. And don't lie to people. You didn't seek our permission to use our name as a sponsor, and I have checked with other of your so-called sponsors, who tell me the same thing. You know it and I know it. I don't know about "saddened", but you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Spare us the lectures. Now just shut up and get back to music and maybe I'll forget about this thread, which invaded my private space in the first place. It says up top "Leflaw's Forum". That's me. Free advice for life: Next time you bring your dog to somebody's house, make sure he takes it's shit on the lawn, not in the living room, OK? And make sure you clean it up right away. Before you start handing out business cards. Jeesh!
leflaw	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 9:05 AM hhhhhhhhhhhhzzzzzzzzzz hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
KevBrock	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 1:07 PM I hear ya leflaw, this lame argument is getting boring and it's getting no where. I suggest you delete hux's account for attacking me. I didn't do nothing wrong, I'm just simply questioning this contest thing since I don't trust it. It was very immature and uncalled for him to call me a jackass. "KevBrock - I'm not 100% certain, but I think some of the users of one of the other sites own studios, and offered som time as a prize. Be sure to confirm that, though, I wouldn't want you filing suit too...lol" How do you know that? Do you actually believe everything on the internet? How do you confirm that some the users own studios. Since you said you are not 100% certain, I would think that's another one of your flat out lies. When music competitions go online, and when they offer free studio time to win, the host of the contest should be more responsible to go right up front to a studio and sign them a deal that they are willing to do the competition. Not a bunch of users on the internet. LOL But we didn't do anyting in this argument at all. The guys who are in charge of this stupid contest brought this upon themselves. So don't blame it on us, hux and Dsultan. We have every right to question your contest, so don't take things so personally. This is so sad. Makes me want to cry.
KevBrock	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 2:27 PM "It was afterall MY post that got this really going." So you admit you were posing under the name of manzarik?
Jcranfill	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 2:57 PM ""It was afterall MY post that got this really going." So you admit you were posing under the name of manzarik? " Yer just plain sad, man. Do you store gold and/or silver under the foot of your bed?
KevBrock	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 2:59 PM "Yer just plain sad, man. Do you store gold and/or silver under the foot of your bed?" What kind of lame comback is that? Do you store gold and silver under your bed too? Give it up and admit that this contest is a fraud guys. There is no proof to tell whether this is a real contest or not. I'm still dissapointed. As I said many times we have every right to question you guys considering that you guys will be messing around with our music that WE make. OUR SONGS. Not yours.
Jcranfill	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 3:27 PM Welp, I'm not one of 'you guys', I just think yer a nut job. I'm gonna have a contest to see which if my customers can throw a rock the furthest. My God, how do I prove it's real, without actually making them throw the rocks, and awarding a prize? Groan... I'm not sure which of you looks like the bigger ass here.
leflaw	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 3:29 PM Date: December 21, 2003 @ 3:27 PM ( delete ) Reality is not the issue. Honesty is. A thief comes into your house, tries to rip you off, gets caught and says - "chill, you are too concerned with money." Slowly you turn around and fire a warning shot into his knee. Suddenly , thief is at a loss for words. Can't joke around no more. Go back to making music, Kev. Staff will deal with this. I have spoken to some of the other sponsors. A few pissed off webmasters out there. This is one major problem with the music biz. Some musicians or entreprenurs looking for fame or money will fuck anything that moves. The internet, of course, makes it worse. These guys didn't have anything going. They ran it up the flag pole here and there, and started websites accordingly, claiming sponsorship from established websites. Hell, I might have even threw some money at it if they were honest. Anyway, have met some cool webmasters as a result of all this. (I am not the only one that likes country reggae apparently.) Just be honest. Try it once. It works. Your blood pressure will drop. Your indigestion will go away. You might even make a few bucks. One more thing. The purpose of this site, the reason why I put over $500,000 of my own money into this - is to create a world where you have a chance to get your music heard without dealing with the mafia or the RIAA or assorted cretins. So we are sensitive to people coming in here with a line of bullshit. A couple of T1's don't mean shit. it takes a lot of effort to keep this site up and growing, and we don't like it trashed. Whwn we sponsor something, you will now it.
leflaw	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 3:30 PM "When we sponsor something, you will know it."
Jcranfill	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 3:31 PM BTW, it wasn't a comeback - DO YOU store gold or silver under your bed, or at your home? Just curious.
Jcranfill	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 3:32 PM "Go back to making music, Kev." I'll take that as my hint too. Nice meetin ya guys.
KevBrock	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 4:01 PM Go back to making music is good advice, but I have every right to join in on the discussion whether you like it or not, since it is MY song that I uploaded for IBOB. It's lame that some people can't think about that. Always thinking about themselves. When people upload a song to IBOB and all kinds of crap goes on in here, people who uploaded the song there will be fighting for their rights about it. So my advice is just deal with it. No offense. I am still angry at this dumb contest. I have every right to complain.
leflaw	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 4:07 PM You have a good point. It is your art.
KevBrock	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 9:13 PM Well, look like the guys gave up fighting with us so I guess we win.
leflaw	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 9:14 PM Win What?
johnnygnote	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 10:58 PM Leflaw, thak you for sticking to your guns and I have learned a lesson here my self. Proves you're never too old to learn somthing. A lot you have said ( above post, Date: December 21, 2003 @ 3:27 PM) and the rest clears the air for me as to what has happened here. please understand I have the utmost respect for your time, sacrifices & efforts here at DM and no, this is not an just "Honest" sentiment. As a sound engineer I know that at times musicians need a kick in the ass and sometimes don't get it when it comes to buisness. We owe you a lot for giving us this place to reside. With that I never got an answer about subscribing from anyone. My question that I asked a couple of times in different forums was can I subscribe for a year at the monthly rate? Keep the cool and know even though we may not understand right away why you do things the way you do, we ya man. Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukah and a most excellent New Year
leflaw	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 11:05 PM Hell, if we didn't get back to you on a yearly suscription, our bad! I will follow up personally. Thanks for the support. And I don't hate these guys or their concept. I just hate how they went about it.
leflaw	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 11:07 PM They just don't get it.
leflaw	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 11:08 PM Ps: I teach my young law associates that any defense that can't be uttered in a short soundbite is a losing defense.
johnnygnote	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 11:23 PM "I teach my young law associates that any defense that can't be uttered in a short soundbite is a losing defense." A wise thing to remember, too many words could mean your hiding somthing.
mazarick	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 11:46 PM Let me try this one next..
mazarick	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 11:53 PM I'm sure this will be deleted because of the embarrassment to you, Larry, but, the truth has been captured... you forgot that you approved this news article, it was posted on my little home page the whole time; Others have already captured it... The whole story, up to the beginning of December, is here: Plus, I don't appreciate your snooping me, I dont have to tell you that you can lose your license over that felony... http://news.dmusic.com/article/9014 I just don't understand why a YES by you in November turned into such an ugly name calling contest, especially when you had multiple ways to reach me.
mazarick	Date: December 21, 2003 @ 11:57 PM PS - I appreciate the pointers about posts that are too long.. it's good advice...
Elu	Date: December 22, 2003 @ 12:20 AM I think this is all bullshit leflaw!...bull fu@&ing shit! How do you expect to bring dmusic off as promoting independent music when you rip all of us off the IBOB site without even asking what we think... I am rethinking everything about dmusic and what it is really about...you are doing what you want...what "you" want...you dont give a damn about us... leflaw...I was asked to be passive on this issue...as it was a misunderstanding! Well if it was then I would ask that you fix it...and make this work... you are now the bad guy!... I will never ever promote this site again unless you fix this.....you think threats are not cool...well you will get much more of them by acting like an ass!
Elu	Date: December 22, 2003 @ 12:22 AM Take me off your site...do whatever you want but dmusic will definately shut down by doing things of this callaber. I will be happy to take my money else where...
mazarick	Date: December 22, 2003 @ 12:35 AM Per request (and my concurrence), it is appropriate for me to stop my posting regarding this subject. I will comply with the request.

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